for you sceptics i went to the factory to collect my trekinetic k2 and saw what wonderfull engineerineering acompaning great air brush, this individual has gone out and beyound what any other wheelchair is on market the quality to detail and colour coding are of a very high and top quality standard
i had to settle for a standard version but if i had this individuals bank balance i think mr mike spindle of trekinetics would be very busy creating great master pieces
i hppe and respect this put to rest what mr mike spindle has created for one of his clients with an un-mentionable amount money
this is not only a great trekinetic k2
but a great work of art to show what can be done making the impossible/possible
mike spindle
mamy thanks for my chair
i having many hours fun and enjoyment
mike many thanks

Ahh, yes, but do the flames make it go Faster!

Go on John, post some pics!

Simon

Gotta love 1 post advertisements. I don't care how good it looks if it's useless. Take some one that makes sculptures with clay and then can probably turn a pile of crap into a masterpiece, but it's still a pile of crap.

Now I'm not saying that this char is that bad, but I've heard all of this praise of it from 1 time posters, of people that are going to get one...etc. But where are the people that have been using one for 6 months now? I want to hear how great this chair is in every day use. I'd love to take one for a test drive up and down the streets and sidewalks of Dallas, just as long as they have a cutaway for me to get up on the sidewalk anyway...

LOL I got an amusing message from this new member .. sooo polite.. no hello or goodbye. just MATTER CLOSED as she had seen for herself the artwork on some ones bench... facinating.. you know.. I'd actually forgotten all about this post!! LOL

ps.. hiya all ;)

How about you do a decent review on the chair as you are so pleased with it, now you have had time to break it in a bit it would be interesting to know.



I guess these answer my other question!



Hiya Ems!!!

hiya trin ;) Sorry all .. I've been in nappy heaven ;) LOL working 8am till late every day .. I'm knackered.. I've closed my shop for a while to catch up on life!

speak soon ... I'll try!!!

emma.



I think theres better things in the world that give me more enjoyment than my chair ;)

Hey, ADP, did you know you have the same surname as JohnP, and you both have Trekinetic wheelchairs?

That's quite a coincidence isn't it?

Wouldn't it be something if you knew each other as well, 20,000,000:1?

Simon

Not to mention a similar command of the English language....

Shame you didn't get any pictures of this wonderful chair... i like many would love to see it!

Huh????

Do you know what our good ole E-Dog would say?
I'll spell it for ya. DILLIGAF

If I had "this individuals" bank balance I can think of far better things to spend it on!

I've had one of these chairs for nearly a year and I'm glad I got one.
To someone thinking of investing in one I would say definitely think about where you would use it and how often, to justify the expense.
I wouldn't use it as an everyday chair, no way.
In terms of manouverability on hard smooth surfaces it doesn't rate against a standard rigid, but if you are like me and live in the country with lots of bush tracks and off road opportunities, thats when it comes into it's own. Great to park up next to a bonfire in a paddock at night and gettting into nature. Works great on sand and grass and other places where a standard chair just couldn't go. I work for the state Department of Environment and Conservation so it's also very handy if I have to go and assess issues at campgrounds in the local nature reserve (my injury was work related so my employer paid for the chair for this reason).
As far as using it around city streets etc , I wouldn't bother. It's definitely a recreational vehicle and something I would recommend to someone thinking of getting one for the right reasons.

Hi ADP,

I'm confused, in the PM you sent me, you said:

"JOHN'S CHAIR IS TO WIDE FO 60% OF LONDON TRANSPORT RAMPS
KERBS ARE A NO - NO AS CAN ONLY USE DROP KERBS ONLY
THIS IS ONLY FOR STARTERS

DO WE REGRET BUYING THIS CHAIR
"YES"
SHOULD HAVE LISTENED AND GONR FOR:-
THE INVACARE TOP END CROSSFIRE ALL TERRAIN WHEELCHAIR
HALF THE PRICE AND 1000% BETTER"

This is a contradiction of your post above. Plus, do you also have a Trikenetic as well as John, as you said you saw the "Flame Chair" when you went to pick your Trikenetic up? Are you related?, as you say "We" in the PM you sent me.

Just trying to clarify the above, as the posts and PM's don't tally up.

Thanks

Simon

Hmmm, contradictory indeed. If the message and the post are from the same people (and I have no reason to believe they are not) then it is a shame that the OP couldn't be honest about the trekinetic in the first place.

I understand that admitting you are wrong and that you should have listened to other people is a difficult thing to do but why feel the need to come back and try and say how wrong we all were and rub the fact in our faces and then completely contradict yourself in a message to Simon????

An honest review of the chair would perhaps be far more helpful to anyone potentially interested in the chair.

Maybe you could clear up the confusion about exactly who you are?

remember guys.....

DO NOT PRE JUDGE!!!


Ooooh, new smiley moment!

Best wait for ADP to clarify things before we jump to any conclusions.

But, I'd still like to see some pictures posted of the "Flame Chair", as it's getting rather infamous on the forum!

Maybe ADP can post a few, as I'm sure John has taken plenty through summer?

Simon

I've seen said flame chair (at the factory too) - it does look fantastic but really is a bit of a monster in terms of width. No question the finish and engineering that's gone into it are exceptional - the practicality of using it is another question which I can't comment on.

I'm still getting to grips with my standard width trekinetic chair, generally pleased with it but it does have a couple of issues I'm working through at the moment. I can go up the same height kerbs I can do in my normal chair 2" forwards - 3" turn round and go backwards - any more find a drop kerb but that's pretty much the same as normal - going down 4" is fine - haven't tried any more yet. Width isn't too bad for the std chair and is fine in my house with 2ft 6" doors. Splayed wheels are a bit superfluous it seems - slight increase in stability for loss of ground clearance and inability to go thro doors - use mine with wheels in zero camber position pretty much exclusively (which also means I can get through doors. The push rims are the work of the devil - am currently working on swapping them out for something a little more normal in terms of wheelchair engineering. It's an odd pushing position too - more push forward than down which feels a bit odd and uses a slightly different muscle group, not bad but certainly different and takes a bit of getting used to - the bucket seat is very comfortable and I really like the recline function on the seat when sitting and watching my lad play footy. Jury's still out a little.

Really wish I'd got the phone camera out when I was there to photo flame chair - it's basically the same as a std trekinetic except 3 inches wider with a kick arse (if that's your thing) paint job a la american hot rod car formed into the monocoque seat (not just painted over it but set into the resin) and some fancy piping trim on the upholstery and colour detailing on the chair parts. Looks great but at the end of the day it's just a 3" wider trekinetic.

Hi All,

Thought you might be interested. I got this pic in a promo email from Trekinetic boasting about the custom chair... here is the (in)famous flame chair...

At last!

Nice paint job, but the day-glo ruins it, day-glo should be left where it belongs, the 80's!

The bright day-glo also takes the eye away from the flames, the chair's biggest asset.

Simon

I was pleasantly surprised by the flame effect... not that i'd have it but it does look as though its been done very well.

Totally agree about the day-glo yellow. Would imagine the handrims will be ruined within seconds considering the width and knocking them against every obstacle going.

at last we see a pic of it, i agree day glow spoils the paint effect, good choice of paint job for that chair, having test driven it along with two other long term wheelchair users , i think setting it on fire would be the best thing for it!! it was incredibably hard work, the rear castor fluttered so much it made it hard to go in a straight line down a slight slope and as for kerbs, well all 3 of us gave up on that one!! for me the pushing positon was far to far forward my short arms just could get any propulshion, having spoken to mike reguarding the seating position and it needing to be adjustable so that you could comfortably reach wheels to self propel, i was told one size fits all, end of discussion!! its a shame really as the basic idea is good but theyre just not willing to listen to the end user, i was told you'll adapt to it once you got used to it, couldnt even manage very far on tarmac pavements let alone off road!! to me it was built more for men with longer arms , on the plus side the seating was very comfortable and supportive.

All I can thikn of when I see that picture is that it's backwards. Turn the seat around and place some foot rest some how on each side of the front wheel so that your stradling it and it looks like it would be a kick ass off road char....

As some one who has assisted with many custom paint jobs for cars in the part it does look rather special...

... but I know I for one would be crying the first, second, and indeed third time it got scratched! Pride of place for the hallway perhaps?

I agree with Tex... but that thing looks bad ass.. like, a guy is gonna go places in life with a chair like that. seriously. watchout for people trying to snag your sport bottle though.

Further information via a personal message on the Trekinetic has been received below from ADP-10-08-63.

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hi simon sorry not to bother you now a further lot more money out fo pocket as the 12" inch rear wheel on the wider wheel chair since having has gone through since 5th october
6 x inner tubes
6 x tyres
3 x wheels
after a professional wheel builder looked at the problem he had quoted this wheel is un-suitable you need a professional wheel for this wheelchais to be built where the wheel rim edge can accept a tyre correctly
12" inch x 1.9 impct get-away tyre and 12" x 1.5-2.25 impact inner tube
this go to prove if we listened we would not be out of pocket
and should of gone for
invacare top end crossfire all terrain wheelchair
many thanks for your time in reading this and it is a warning to other users of 19" inch wide wheelchair from trekinetic's
do we have regrets that's a big yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.
many thanks for taking your time in reading thig ths

I had been looking at the Trekinetic for awhile on the web. I go to alot of outdoor festivals and parties. With the rough ground and terrible weather in england my old Chevron was a nightmare, the front wheels getting stuck in ruts etc. The thing that put me off was the price, i could never afford 1. Then on Ebay 1 day i saw 1 that had been used twice with a few extras, £1000 Buy it now, so i did!!
Going across fields is so much easiers, no getting stuck, with a friend to push the sturdy handles, even easier. The reclined seating postion is really comfy. I tried sand but couldn't manage it on my own, i sank and could n't move without a helper, although wet sand was easier. It does take some getting use to the handling. When going down hills its stable but touch 1 wheel and the thing spins completely round, which can be fun but also scary!!! Kerbs are quite tricky as you can't wheelie the chair, if the kerb is to high the footrests hit it. Indoors the wheels need to be in the most upright postition to get through my doorways, it is a squeeze and i cant get through some older doorways.
All in all i'm glad i bought mine but only because of the cheap price. I dont use it everyday, it's just not practical (getting it in my van alone is a nightmare) I use my Chevron daily but when i go to festivals and outdoor partys, i'm top dog!!

Problem that needed to be recified was two betd goldtec billet made hubs and flanges custom made double butted spokes, halo xl spoke nipples, custom made double skin rolled rims.

Still have fooy-plate adjustment bracket to be custom made bigger to stop it hitting dropped kerbs

The shock absorber is next after that to be done by nitron racing web: www.Nitron.co.uk,
this will be replaced 3 way adjustable coilover with correct weighted spring, so ride comfort is considerably improved.

The worlds smallest continuous tracking system as a prevention to stop theft of wheelchair and track and trace his movements.

Torque exhaust custom chrome slash pipe system www.Torque-exhausts.com

Custom made grips by Cory and Arlen Ness to help the wife with her small ands

But if any one wants to see how bad a rear wheel can be i be happily to send it on to so you
a professional wheel dianosed the rear was totally unsuitable as it had the following problems:-

1. No tyre wire bead lip.
2. Badly designed.
3. German manufacturers of tis wheel , british importers, and manufacturers of the chair all not admitting this wheel is unsuitable for this wheelchair.
4. I have had to billet professional engineering professionals to put right what is not compatitable with london roads and streets.

Lastly a very big apology to all users and forum members, and very big apology Simon "director of forum"

This one very hard lesson from a stubborn individual, if you don't listen it will hit like a freight train, and boy did i get hit , smacked, dropped, run over, this is a lesson to myself for not listening.

Simon i am sincrely sorry i didn't listen to forum members, but wish every a pleasant 2010.

I, for one, appreciate your honesty about the short comings of the Trekinetic, hopefully your post will help others to make an informed choice should they wish to purchase it.
I hope you get your issues sorted
Happy Christmas!

It takes courage to admit publicly that you've made a mistake (unless of course, you're like me and never make them! If only!) Well done for that.
Hope you soon get things sorted to your satisfaction.

Hi ADP,

Well, at least you posted a follow up, which has to be admired, considering our initial posting history!

Hope you can get your chair set to your satisfaction, and that you are eventually happy with it.

Have a happy 2010

Simon

To other buyers beware my total cost's with problems through bad untested engineering, i could have bought 3 wheelchairs.

Ask yourself what the after sales service is like once you have paid and gone.

Would be really interested to know more details of the problems you had with the rear wheel - not noticed any issues with mine yet but would like to know what to look for. It's not obvious that there would be a problem with this wheel.

Sorry to hear you're not happy with your trekinetic - I'm actually finding myself using mine more and more to get out about the countryside but I wouldn't choose to use it in town at all.

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PICTURES OF MY TREKINETI K-2 ALL TERRAIN

with the new billrt made custom built rear wheel

seating is a custom moulded foam covered of which has been proffesionally covered and piped seams with matching armrest's

cat eye v3 computer has been added

immobi-tag ang dat-tag fitted

arlen amd cory ness have gave there approval to workmanship put in to it

it is now 98% finished

with just a few jobs left to do to make 100% usable

many thanks for taking the time in looking

so far it has cost a hell of a lot money spent and frustration , and anger

there is still more to pay-out to make it a 100% usable wheelchair

NOTE:- this was the first 19" inch of the trekinetic production line

all the problematic problems have all nearly been done

finished pictures when it guaranteed

so far 25 companies have been involved in my wheelchair to get to a near completion finish

i hope to have wheelchair finished by march 2010

jobs still to do

1. custom made chrome exhast system to be fitted

2. tracking system fitted

3. arlen nees chromed flamed grips

4. nitron 3 way adjustable coil-over suspension with spring set at total weight of myself and the wheelchair to improve comfort and ride quality

5. billet made bracket so you can adjust the height requuired for foot-plate withoutt touching the suspension

then i have reached the finish line

Update on how things goings.

1. Front wheels being rebuilt:-
kenda kniption tyres, slime tyre liner, kenda thorn protection inner tubes 4.3Mm thick side wall, slime inner tube sealant, continental rim tape and continental rim cement.

2. Rgk 24" inch push rims in alluminum with complete moulded rubber grip.

3. Snobs ultimate custom chopper are doing me flame designed rear fender finished in polished chrome to match the rest at the rear of wheelchair.

4. Local engineering compapy are currently engineering new floor plate brackets, fittings so waist belt can be mounted securely, custom billet made bar end adaptors.

5. Arlen ness custom made grips.

6. Retriever tracking system.

7. Eco-led two 9" inch 12volt water proof led strip lights for the rear of the chair, strictly for show use and photographs.

When is done and said i am up to fourty five companies .


Then it's all done and finished.

When this is completed pictures will be posted onto forum chief executive "simon" to correctly size them and download them for all to view and see.

Wishing you all best.

Thanks.

immobi-tag ang dat-tag fitted????
omg

Yes data tag and immobi tag are both fited between the two skins of carbon fibre seat and then the seat is bonded as a one piece unit.
Proof that it does work as they have both micro-chips were scanned .
Both responded with correct details.
I hope this answers your question.
Highly recommended if you can afford it and get it proffesionally fitted so it is out of sight but all that is seen is warning stickers so only the owner of the product know where these items are hidden.

Thanks.

Www.Datatag.Co.Uk
01932 895304

www.Immobitag.Com/uk
08700 112850

so if I get kidnapped in my chair.....

marvelous idea!

Edit to ask........"erm.. what chair do you sit in normally then.. as this is obviously not fit to drive around yet".....

I am stuck in and can not get due to my local borough council taking far to long to re-house me in wheelchair adapted accomodation as the accomodation i am in at present is not wheelchair adapted with no wide opening door ways.So that's the reason why the flame chair is more of a ornament than a wheelchair.

If you thoughly read my profile you will understand.

In re-gards to your question i have not had a license since my accident 1st august 2007 and my partner has no confidence behind the wheel due to what happened two weeks ago and still recovering.

I hope this end's the personal interigation as i have not once asked you such a question since i came totally clean to forum.

So what is the issue or problem you have with me and the use of this forum.

If there is one get it out in the open or remain quiet.

I merely asked you what other means of leg transport do you have while you can't sit in the flame chair

Not really a personal or an offensive question.


Your reply was that you are *stuck in* .. but what I meant was.. not your home.. what chair are you *stuck in*

Ems,

i sincerely appologise for getting the wrong end of the stick at present i am on full remote controlled armchair designed solely for my needs ,then it's onto a transfer board then onto wet-room portable toilet seat with side handle supports this is the high version with supported handles on either side for which carers and district nurses use for my personel hygiene until my colostomy bag is fitted. Then my quality of life will improve with no more imbarrassments or loss of dignity any more.

But can not let the past haunt yourself when you know there is light at the end of tunnel.

Once again i personally appologise.

"Sorry" for any offence or embarassment this has caused yourself.

Apology fully accepted ;)

Would you not possibly be better off with a smaller manual wheelchair for in the house?

has been tried and tested by o.t. and wheelchair clinic all to no avail so this is my life welcome to my world.

So far have just totalled all of my reciepts and the totaliser has exceeded £30,000:00.

Do i have regrets, yes big time.
This man may of made a version of a wheelchair.
But it like saying if it does not work, fix it yourself properly.
So far there have by the time this wheelchair is finished some 40 other proffesional companies to put right what was wrong.
God know's what the finished cost will be as there are still 6 thing's left to do.

And the pocket mountain will be getting bigger as there still is:-

to make this a usable wheelchaiar.
1. Local engineering company billet made in polished stainless steel bar end adapters, foot plate brackets finished in 30% satin finish black powder coat , waist belt fitting kit finished in 30% satin finish black powder coat and waist belt securely fitted.
2. Snobs ultimate customs "custom made rear fender in polished chrome in flame style".
3. Arlen ness chrome finished flame grips.
4. Tracking system with anual subscription.
5. Rebuilt front wheels.
Rgk 24" inch aluminum rubber coated push rims 6 (tab).
Loctite 243 lock 'n' seal.
Continental high pressure rim tape.
Continental rim cement.
Kenda kt38t 24" x 1.5 - 2.2 Schrader car valve , wall thickness 4.3Mm , thorn resistant inner tubes.
Slime inner tube sealant.
Slime tube and tyre protector liner.
Kenda pkt 382w kniption tyres 24" x 2.3.
6. Eco-led custom made 9" inch water-proof 12volt led strip lights for show's / stand's / photo-graphs.

Then it is job finished, then a usable finished wheelchair, finished at long last.

Hope-fully all done with-in 4 weeks.

Then pic's will be posted .

can I possibly ask why you've possibly want to spend quite such a considerable amount of time and money to have 4 wheels? sorry.. 5 wheels

This story has got me scratching my head. Maybe I missed something.

This is the gist of it as I see it,

Buy a Trekinetic wheelchair.
Don't like it.
Regret it
Warn other people against buying one because of huge long list of design problems.
Then spend 30,000 pounds on it like it's the best thing you've ever owned.

I dunno, maybe its just me, but thats a pretty expensive point to make.

I bought one, it's useful. But if I knew then what I know now, I'd probably buy the crossfire.
When I'm more financial I'll probably sell it (for the price it should be) and get a crossfire.

That seems counter productive. Use the money you would use to buy the crossfire to make the Trekinetic more to your liking....

From the sounds of it, it's like putting lipstick on a pig. When your done it's still going to be a pig. Or if you like better, shining a turd so it sparkles, but it still smells like shit and you don't really want to touch it.

To be honest I'm completely and totally confused why the amount of money has been spent on this chair. There is no way that you will be able to do enough to it to make it that much different and sounds like a complete and total waste, yet from the sounds of it money is no barrier. Yet it must be because of the wait for the local council to find him an accessible place to live. The amount of money spent on this chair would have been a damn good start on finding a place, paying for a place, making a place accessible. Again I'm completely confused.

I have a hard time believing that to make this a usable chair it absolutely has to have

"1. LOCAL ENGINEERING COMPANY BILLET MADE IN POLISHED STAINLESS STEEL BAR END ADAPTERS, FOOT PLATE BRACKETS FINISHED IN 30% SATIN FINISH BLACK POWDER COAT , WAIST BELT FITTING KIT FINISHED IN 30% SATIN FINISH BLACK POWDER COAT AND WAIST BELT SECURELY FITTED.
2. SNOBS ULTIMATE CUSTOMS "CUSTOM MADE REAR FENDER IN POLISHED CHROME IN FLAME STYLE"
3. ARLEN NESS CHROME FINISHED FLAME GRIPS
4. TRACKING SYSTEM WITH ANUAL SUBSCRIPTION
5. REBUILT FRONT WHEELS
RGK 24" INCH ALUMINUM RUBBER COATED PUSH RIMS 6 (TAB)
LOCTITE 243 LOCK 'N' SEAL
CONTINENTAL HIGH PRESSURE RIM TAPE
CONTINENTAL RIM CEMENT
KENDA KT38T 24" X 1.5 - 2.2 SCHRADER CAR VALVE , WALL THICKNESS 4.3mm , THORN RESISTANT INNER TUBES
SLIME INNER TUBE SEALANT
SLIME TUBE AND TYRE PROTECTOR LINER
KENDA PKT 382W KNIPTION TYRES 24" X 2.3
6. ECO-LED CUSTOM MADE 9" INCH WATER-PROOF 12volt LED STRIP LIGHTS FOR SHOW'S / STAND'S / PHOTO-GRAPHS"

Of course this is just the final list of things to make it finished. Personally I don't see one thing that it has to have to make it usable and since when did not having a polished chrome flame job on the rear fender make something unusable?

After being some where with a lot of parents and a lot of kids which equals a lot of parents pushing strollers, i finally figured out what the Trekinetic reminds me of. A human size stroller.

Trekinetic is like dick turpin who robs money from those less fortuate than himself and gives it all to his own bank account.

A baby stroller has to under go very stringent testing and safety tests to be issued with the british standards kite mark for safety.

As for 19" wide trekinetic "no comment".

Hi John,

Whatever you do, never play Poker, sometimes you've just got to either check or fold!

Regards

Simon

As you don't mind stating how much you've paid in total, how much did you pay Trekinetic, and how much did you feel you had to pay out since, to make it "A USABLE FINISHED WHEELCHAIR"?

it seems like you've been through hell and back and i hope you finally can get around. is this your only wc? i hope things get better for you. what a nightmare. how much is 30,000 pounds in dollars? it seems as if your money could of been better used.