Last night I was talking to Brady about myself going to get my normal Botox that I get every few months and he brought up him getting pectoral implants. It just doesn't seem safe for him, I can only amagin the ad it would cause. I've had my chest done 3 times since the age of 18 and I know the pain it puts you threw. I'm looking to see if any quads here have had pectoral impants done and how bad was it?

If he really wants it I'd stand by him 100%, I just want him to be happy

Please forgive my obvious stupidity. It's not easy keeping up with today's latest fads and trends all you youngsters so vehemently adhere to.
But.
Why on earth would your husband want to enlarge his tits?
Maybe I'm wrong, but a quadriplegic "male pole dancer" sounds kinda oxymoronic.
Of course I'm so out of the loop these days, perhaps they've grown in popularity, but in my day those guys weren't tipped very well.

E

He's just wanting his old body back I think, he worked out a lot before his accident. He had a very defined body and misses wearing the tight shirts he wore before. It's all a vanity thing with him he also wants bicep and tricep implants as well

He should think about recovery? mabey he should put some of that money into stem cell treatments? Or a really good rehab center?

Don't take this the wrong way, but you both seem pretty damn shallow.
I once saw a woman who had so many facelifts she had nipples on her chin!

Ignore the post that might bother you, as some people don't understand your point of view. Some times people forget that this is a "SUPPORT" forum and can be quick to spread negative opinions.

The transition from being able bodied and independent to any level of SCI is extreamly difficult to begin with. I understand that adding an ever shrinking body to the mix doesnt help the self confidence and is just part of the change we must go through and deal with. As for getting implants that is 100% his decision for it is "HIS BODY" and he can do with it what ever he wants for any reason.

Just make sure he really takes the time to think it over and weighs the pros and cons of such an undertaking. From the sound of things he is lucky to have such a supporting partner and I wish you two the best on what ever path you find your self on.

Best wishes,

Doug

Ratticus that's a harsh assumption, I have Botox, I dye my hair, I like to wear fake tan. Do you like to feel that you look your best? It's not easy losing the body you worked so hard for. Some people don't want to let themselves go. It's about how you feel yourself!

I will make sure he takes time to think it over, we won't even take it more then talking till his Mother goes home. She hates that we deface our bodies, but Doug you are right it is his body and his choice. I'm just here to back him, I love him the way he is and don't see a need for him to get implants. The recovery is what really scares me, when I get my implants i'm down for 2 weeks.

Your new boyfriend doesn't need new tits. Biceps. Triceps. Insteps. Penis. Weenis. or Even glue on fake toe nailus.
What he needs is a psychiatrist. Quickly before he does any harm to himself or anyone else.
But first, get him the hell out of the hot sun. It's baked his frigging brain to a golden brown, with a nice crispy crust and a moist, chewy inside.
French fries should be golden brown.
NOT YOUR BRAIN.

Remind him of this:
What he once was, he still is.
What he used to look like is long gone and it ain't comin' back. Ever. No matter what.

If my reply seems a bit harsh, well, it's suppose to!
Breast implants. You must be joking.

E

I'm hanging with The 'Dog on this one. Time to get Real.

I think I'm somehow E-Dogs clone. We think the same about most things plus got pretty much the same injury. I'm scared!

Anyway, 5 years ago I was in the best shape of my life. And I'll never get back there. But compared to 18 months ago I'm in way better shape than I was! I can look my best by shaving, showering, maybe dressing nice. I sure as hell aren't so insecure that I need to dilude my self with a false self image by getting cut up again.

Wait... how do they do that? I mean, I'm assuming they do silicone-type implants, similar to breast implants... but as men don't have the 'containers' for such things, how do they get it so that it doesn't just slip around on top of the muscle? How does it end up staying put? Does it damage the muscle that I'm assuming it would sit on top of? Or is it somehow muscle fiber implantations that I'm not knowing about?

Ugh. I can't figure this out. This is why I went into computers - pin A goes into slot B. If all else fails - try another slot! Sorry for the ignorance.

Ratt - I wouldn't be so quick to judge. I had a breast reduction about two years ago, and I adore it. Personal self image is important - and for me, having humongous ta-tas was bringing me down, figuratively and literally. They reduced and lifted them - and they (and I) look and feel great. Plus, for the short amount of time between the surgery and my fall, I was even more athletic, and had much better posture. Granted - I knew in advance what was expected. After the surgery, I had a small infection in an incision, and there is a small pucker and a slightly different looking scar from the rest. But - still love them, and am pleased as punch even still.

Also, it's sad to say this - but I'm betting you've had more than just a smile from an 'enhanced' (one way or another) lady. Why the bizzare double standard for men?

Finally - as long as he and his wife are making sure they understand any consequences, and are sure they want to go through with what all it entails (whatever it is - still am clueless), and finally, they have the money, then why the eff not? Here's the thing - being as how this is the internet and everything, we'll likely never, ever, ever set eyes on this dude. He has to look at himself in the mirror every day. If his image of himself doesn't match what's in the mirror, and he has the ability to change it - why not?

There are plenty of days where I still catch myself in the mirror - and I look completely different (in my own estimation). No more dancer/cyclist body that moved with some amount of grace, and I can no longer wear a lot of my clothes in my closet. If I could have back a smidge of that, well, I'd be happy as a clam.

All you ever need to know about male implants!
http://www.pecimplants.com/

It is up to him but in my humble opinion a waste of time. Any sort of implants (unless to perform a function such as penile implants for erections, pacemakers, artificial urinary sphincters, heart valves, etc) aren't my cup of tea. I went out with a woman a few years back who had 38DD implants. Looked pretty fantastic (that isn't what attracted me to her but was instead her vivacious, fun personality) but felt rather like a pair of tomatoes in socks and the feeling wasn't as good during lovemaking either. As quads have higher sensitivity in some parts could it also affect his sexual enjoyment too?

The last woman I went out with had a C cup and totally natural and to be honest I prefer them just like god intended. If a guy were to stuff a sock and a couple of tennis balls down his pants, people would laugh at him. I just don't think "vanity" implants are really any good for people with insecurities (other than to save life or fix the after effects of mastectomy or other illnesses) and it would be far better in my opinion to fix the low self esteem issues buried beneath before opting for a knife. Sorry if that is offensive but my opinion.

For the life of me I don't know why anyone would go under the knife if it wasn't a health issue. And why does "self image" have to do with the physical? When I look in the mirror I don't see a broken down gimp with a sagging stomach and considerable less muscle tone than there used to be. I see the same fun loving intuitive nut with a great sence of humour and able to achieve anything he puts his mind to that was always there. And you know what? I still clean up nice.
I would love to be able to lift a 150lbs hydraulic moter into place 8 feet off the ground with ease again, but I can't even stick both arms out in frount of me without flopping over so it ain't gunna happen. If you live in the past you have no future.
As for oversized tits, gross. The problem is people are never happy. A poor man dreams of being a millionaire, a millionaire drama of being a billionaire, a billionaire dreams of being a trillionaire, and a trillionaire dreams of women.
I'm happy with what i've got because i've got what makes me happy. Family, friends, and myself.

Slowlegs, Ratticis, you both sum up my feelings exactly.

I just wish there were a few more surgeons out there with scruples, and who were not solely motivated by money. In my lowly opinion, any surgeon approached for this sort of work should immediately refer the patient for psychiatric assessment and treatment - and that includes ladies who want breast enhancement (not reduction).

But at the end of the day, it's this guys body, his money, and his choice.

Thanks for the link greybeard....looks like I've got some saving to do! I'm not bothered about the pecs but this sounds just right....no more sitting on my bony ass!
quote:
Butt Implants With One Area Of Liposuction— Includes:
Surgery, implants, surgical garment and anesthesia; airport transfers (to and from hotel), and transportation to and from the doctor’s office. One bedroom suite, Full American Breakfast, Light Dinner and 24-Hour Personal Certified Nurse Assistant and Recovery Kit.
NORMALLY $16,000 - NOW $13,500 (SAVE $2500.00)

Actually I'm surprised E-Dog hasn't offered this service as a sideline to his stem cell treaments

My concern with regard to implants is they would be visible under the skin, if the area where they have been inserted has not fat I wonder if they would stick out like a sore thumb.

A good friend of mine has a pace maker fitted and is skinny and you can see the box under his skin.

Maybe worth thinking about before you go under the knife.

Best of luck.

Regarding ladies breast implants, they're now inserted under the muscle tissue so it doesn't just look like a coulple of bags under the skin.

Maybe the pec implants are inserted in this way to, but idk?
Anyway, it's up to you.

As for me, I just keep my shirt on.

To be honest with you, this is something that he needs to wait on.......he hasn't even gotten the "quad gut" yet. Then, he'll want lypo.....the way you view your body has to change. It's difficult. Duke was built and had a six pack before his accident. He needs to exercise what he has and improve his strength that way and definately has to watch what he eats......remember, you're tiny, he can't be so big that you can't help him transfer or help him off the floor if he falls out of his chair! If he gains too much weight, he won't be able to transfer himself.....

You are right and I want him to wait( I really don't want him to do it at all). He eats like a bird in fear of gaining to much weight and you're right again he's already stressing about the "quad gut" and has asked me how bad lipo was( the worst pain of my life). I heard about gym equipment for people in chairs, i'm looking in to that for him. I've tried getting him off the floor it's already near impossible for me being 5'9 is the only thing that helps me I think.

'nuff said

- precisely, I really disagree with his choice here, but...

Folks,

This debate is predictably breaking down along gender lines.

Men have no idea why women want to do this stuff.

Simply stated: Because so much of female power is the power to addle men's minds with knee-jerk instinctive reactions to visual stimulus. Tits ENFLAME the mind of a man. It is hardwiring. Evolution again. But what is really bizarre, is that a sac of saline solution or silicone can produce the same slavish submission. But never mind that. The little sacs of goo do work. And that is why they are used.

Men on the other hand, are kept around for what they can DO, not what they look like. Bring home the game and get laid by appreciative females. That is the male condition. The cute and useless sort of boy is always seen sneeking out under the back flap of the wigwam when the real men get home.

Now, when we are young, there is an as yet unclear undifferenciated gender state that many go through, in which young men are not yet quite convinced of the fact that they wil not be able to get by "just upon a smile". At this stage, there can be nearly as much male vanity as female.

No problem, as the years go by, it will all come out in the wash.. except for that smaller fraction who, in spite of the steep odds against them, will persist, in a smaller subculture, to function in the female mode.

There is NO gender equivalence. Absolutely none. Not in the "normal" population.

And as a final word: Tits attract. And false tits attract as well as real ones. Therefore there is a logic for their use.

On the other hand, muscles are to pull and to lift. False muscles can not pull or lift. Therefore, there is no point at all in having them.

Best Regards,

Gordon

This reminds me of when my legs had gotten real thin. I would put 1 or 2 extra pair of sweatpants on whenever I left the house so I didnt have to worry about people starring at my skinny legs. I left the house with more confidence knowing I didnt have to worry about people starring at me. Did the extra pair of sweatpants serve any other purpose except to dilude stares? not at all. If someone wants to change the way something looks so they can live more comfortable then they should do it. Some men wear hats outside because they go bald. Others try hair implants. One might find the other extreme. But both want the same thing. It all comes down to whos got more money, and whos got the balls.

When something looks really gross, there is good reason for plastic surgery or prosthetics. For example, a glass eye instead of a gaping hole.

If on the other hand, if one is male, and one is within the normal range... Fugedabuddit!

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The vast majority of normal men do not give a f*@k about going bald. If a man (who is not hideously deformed--and even then...) worries about how he looks, he needs a shrink. Or maybe some experimentation time down in "The Village".

So in this sense I guess it DOES come down to "who's got the balls".

-G

I have, throughout my long and useless life ogled a whole lotta porn.
Spent time with a whole lotta women. All kinds.
I remember the 8mm smokers of days long past, the interactive POV DVD's of the present.

Rarely. And I do mean rarely have I seen a boob job that was really worth a shit.
Damn near every one of 'em have the same thing in common.
THEY LOOK LIKE BOOB JOBS.

Always amuses me when cheapskates go to some third world country to get it done on the cheap.
End up with one bigger than the other, pointing in some odd direction.
Or the one's that look like party balloons over inflated almost to the point of bursting.

Far be it from me to judge.
But hey, when something looks silly, it looks silly.

IMHO, most American men have no idea the concept of beauty. Bleached out, straw like hair, pencil sized waists, and massive pendulous tits, all scared up to beat hell, fake tans. OOOh baby! You got it goin' on boo! Let me throw on too much old spice and a shiny white patent leather shoe and belt combo, maybe a polyester jumpsuit with a tan safari bush jacket and we'll paint the town red! First we're off to Sizzler, where I'll wine an' dine you into submission. Then to the arcade for a little PAC MAN..... By then you'll be putty in my hands. But first we stop at a drug store for a case of extra large condoms. HeeHee.
OOOWEE! You sound so swah-vey!
That's me baby, Captain Swah-vey.

E

That's a lot of large, round, brown, equine lumps gordie.
Tits may attract but I like little ones.
How anyone could be attracted to fake ones is beyond me.

And some women love nice pec's on a man. Ab's too.

E

I'm going to assume that Brady's injury is complete, because if incomplete he can work his butt off to develop some muscle in torso and arms.

My concerns are very practical. yeah, it is way too early for Brady to be considering surgery, but let's pretend this is 2 years from now. The implant goes under the pectoral. If the pec is badly atrophied, or worse, if he had it done now and then the muscle continued to atrophy, he would really look like hell- just a balloon under some strings that don't quite hold it in place. Any surgeon who might promise that these implants would look good 5 years from now is automatically a liar and incompetent. One who would operate on Brady less than 2 years from his accident is also a very bad Doctor.

If he wants to chase this idea find an MD or surgeon who will tell him the ugly truths. The information should come from MDs so you don't have to struggle over it between you. Just support him to get good information.

Prayers with you both...

Pwuff

Myssa,

I forgot to add that you can get help from GOOD PT people (I hope this i true in your country) to coach you on helping him transfer safely- for you! I rehabbed in Taiwan where everything is more physical- I've seen tiny women transfer BIG FAT guys who could do very little to help just using really intelligent leverage and body mechanics. Its amazing what can be done.

Pwuff

Myssa,
Pieces of exercise equipment that I would reccomend......a vita glide, a rickshaw and an uppertone. That and free weights and weight bars with cuff straps. Duke had to "let go" of the body that he had. He was able to do a 12 mile road march in and hour and a half in FULL BATTLE GEAR! He was a military mechanic working on/under/over pieces of massive equipment, jumping on and off of them and climbing all over them...... None of this is to diminish what Brady is feeling, because it is part of the "recovery" process. But EVERY quad/para goes through this.

I spoke to the surgeon who does all my work and said he wouldn't feel right putting implants in Brady. That was like music to my ears, Brady had mentioned that he would only go for it if my surgoun would do the work. Let's just hope he keeps with what he said.

While I certainly believe that your body is your own,, and no one else's buisness,,, unless you deem it so,,,, The phrase about " my surgeon" ,,, sounding all too much like " my hairdresser",, does worry me.

Perhaps it's time for a new definition of who he is,,, besides his body image, I mean.
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I am surprised by the men dissing on fake boobies. I got mine about 6 mos. ago and couldn't be happier. One isn't larger than the other, nipples are nice and centered and even....lol I think they look damn good. =] If a guy hates on fake boobies, it is just because they haven't seen a job well done.

Anywho, In response the the OP..People will give you a million reasons not to get plastic surgery. You do it for yourself, not other people. Make sure he does plenty of research on every aspect of the surgery.

Well without seeing the "before and after shots" I couldn't possibly comment so I suppose I will have to take you at face value. Seriously though, looking at some plastic surgery statistics at http://www.surgery.org/media/statistics it is not surprising. According to the graph at
http://www.surgery.org/sites/default/files...Top5_Gender.pdf only around nine percent of plastic surgeries in the United States are men which could mean we just aren't as interested in it. Mind you I did see another survey which said women are tending to look more attractive for longer so perhaps that has a lot to do with it too and as the majority of surgeries are breast implants, perhaps they do make women more attractive.

What else is there to call him but my surgoun, and we would only trust him because we know he does good work. I've been going to him since the age of 16.

Another very sad statement.

Why is it that women seem so convinced that plastic surgery makes them more attractive to men but when most men say it doesn't they get defensive and call them liars? Perhaps the're only fooling themselves.

Perhaps most of us women genuinely do cosmetic procedures for ourselves..and not for men.

Ratticus,

The prettier a woman is, the more power she has over men.

It is natural for the female to desire more power. And it is natural (although not very smart) for the male to wish to limit the relative power of "his" female. The extreme case would be the Taliban and the Orthodox Jews, who think it is a virtue to keep their women absolutely frightenningly ugly. But we are all a little like these traditionalists. If your woman is a fat c*nt with hair growing on her face, missing teeth sagging tits and gross stretch marks, you are not as likley to feel threatenned by the presence of other males, and will not be likely to give in on budget discussions. But if your woman is downright hot, you will be driven, not only to share the wealth, but to proactively pamper her with presents.

These are facts. And women may be silly, but they are not stupid.

This desire to improve their attractiveness is evolutionarily hardwired into all women in all cultures at all times. It is literally more powerful than their reasonable impulse to resist. This is the origin of those unhealthy manifestations of the quest for beauty, such as eating disorders and self torture through excessive exercise and the pain and expense of serial surgeries that ultimately add little or nothing to the hotness of the package.

Any thoughtful person will realize that Michael Jackson, or any other of his/her favorite pop stars does not really look any better after his/her 39th surgery.

And there is another little problem that arises when you can't make a downpayment on a home but realize that the "program" has cost thirty grand over the last ten years, or that right now, the 2,000 she absolutely needs for yet another lippo is the same 2,000 little Johnny needs to help him pay his tuition.

Therefore there is a time to draw a line in the sand.

But women are not masters of themselves any more than men are. The same silliness that men demonstrate in being manipulated by attractive women, "following the wrong head" as the saying goes, is the reciprocal silliness for that shown by women who go to exagerrated, even ridiculous lengths, to work, spend, and suffer their way to greater attractiveness, even as the laws of physics and ageing make these efforts vain.

And in the end, the affection between man and woman depends on overlooking, forgiving, and from time to time, frankly humouring these silly (yet deadly serious) evolutionary desires.

Best Regards,

Gordon

Also...to Ratticus..
I do not believe that ALL men like big breasts, or fake breasts. Everyone has different preferences. But please don't make it seem like NO men like big, fake breasts.

When did I ever say that NO man is that shallow. Sadly, a large number of people are. But in the same token, there are people out there who do realize that a person exists beyond the physical. One would think that those with an SCI would realize that more than others, but evidently not.
And I'm not saying this because I want to "maintain power" or "control" over women or because I'm trying to make excuses for being ugly. I know I'm not the best looking guy in the world, but I'm not ugly either. I am happy with my life, and my goals havn't really changed, just how I have to go about some of them. Ultimately it's anyones own choice what they want to do with their body, but I can't see myself ever doing something like that. Anyways, good luck and I hope your happy with your decisions

Ratt,

I agree with you. And just about all the other men who have answered do to. The exception being JohnnyV who is also obsessed with the idea of walking again and not at all accepting of himself as a gimp.

On the other hand, what makes sense to us men does not make the same sense to the ladies. We can hope that they wil understand our point of view, but we can not expect that they will ever agree. Their DNA is al stacked against it.

Knowing this it may be futile to say, but I will anyway...


Myssa: IF yo ucould lay off the Anorexia and extremem body consciusness just a little, it might help Brady to do the same thing.


Best Regards,

Gordon

P.S. kdenon01: I'm sure I would love your fake boobs. But I would love all the other parts that are not fake too.

Thank you Gordon

P.S.
I'm not nearly as shallow as what I sound. =P

I'm aware of that. I have read your other posts. You are doing a good job and have a good life. Kudos.

Your profile says you want a family. My wife and I tried all sorts of options and after a few years went the adoption route. It is a fantasticly motivating thing to have kids. I most warmly encourage you to go for it.

Remember all this body/attraction stuff is just evolutions way of perpetuating the species. Evolution rewards "good behavior". And when you actually take the plunge, that is where the greatest psychological payoff is to be found. Almost any parent will tell you the same thing.

Best,

Gordon

Post pictures! ... Please?

This line alone seems to make my point. I doubt you will see it, tho. We come from vastly different social groupings. In your's, there is no onus in what you have done with your body,,, in fact it is commonplace. In mine, it is looked at,,, differently. As I said,, " Your body is your own". Each of us have our own set of priorities,,, and last I checked, it's still a relatively free country.
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