Hi i will make myself known as Timmy, Long time cripple first time poster..

I had been warned never drop a trip if your a quad, Two mates both C5-6 quads told me they had when they were young, one went to hospital the other thought he was going to die.

10 years on, i was at a party, a mate offered so hoping their experiennce was a one off, i dropped half, What a f*@ked night, I did a lot of drugs before i broke my neck and took some good Acid, but this narly killed me, My body spazzams were so intence i could barely breath. I layed down wth two bags of chunk ice to keep me cool.

It was a cool night but mmy spazams were like running a marathon heating me up, I was exhausted. 15 x .5mg Valiums and 6 hours later i got through it. I had to tell everyone I must have had an allergic reaction. If anyone new we had been tripping shit would have flown.


So if your a para or quad thinking of dropping an Acid tab DONT!

I would love to here of anyone else who has tripped, or Eccys Ive ben told an E story too, not sure if i want to comfirm his eexperience..

For all you chemical adventure types, let me know your experience.

Timmy Timmmy

hell, I haven't heard of any body doing acid in years..the last time I tried it was in the early 80's, was AB then..it was some greatfull dead blotter..melted into the carpet for eight hrs and desided not to trip any more after that..

I tried it many years back when I was SCI. It was in the presence of two doctors and other friends in a social rather than medical situation. I got spasms, particularly in the legs which jittered away for a few hours. I found that part eventually exhausting but also I had time to revolutionise my appreciation of music.
Acid seems to heighten the intensity of wherever you put your mind. So if you get scared of the spasms you will likely get very scared. If you put your attention elsewhere then you are more likely to forget about the spasms (for a while, at least).
So, I'd agree that it does have the risk of an additional discomfort for SCI people.

Took some legal highs called purple ohms...this is in the uk btw...

They weren't fun...I had my accident a week after my 17th birthday so hadn't doen many drugs before realyl and they've never been something that appealed to me...I had had the odd toke on a joint but that was about it...

Anyways those things were mad...I seriously thought I was losing my mind and was never comign back...I worote a description of a lot of it the next day on another forum I was a member of...this is what I wrote:

Basically it started off by making me think too much! I couldn't concentrate on anything...couldnt be myself or maintain a conversation...was just rhinking weird ****! Then I got home and sat at the computer wrote a post on here and realised I waqs losing control of my head and kinda started to panic...was sweating like a ******* and dirnking lots! Then two female friends came over and i was trying to explain what was going on but couldn't. All my mate had was an obsession with ahiny objects and kept seeing funny colours...I didn't get any of that...

Soon I started wondering what the **** was going on! Wasn't sure wheter I was still on the sofa where I first took them or still in my mates car...I wasn't certain of anything...even questioning whether the two girls were actually there and my mate I thought was like a voice inside my head because evertime I looked at him he had this weird smiling face. I then went out side and suddenly thought I was going to end up beiong found by members wondering the streets! had to get one of the girls to scratch me to make sure they were real but that didn't convince me.

Then, because I wasn't sure whether or not they were real I insisted onm going to hospital to reassure myself...needed someone I knew I could trust and couldnt really make up in my head! The wjhole journey the heater was on full which didn't help! I remembered to take the packets which I had taken them from to show the doctors but got sketched out because I couldn't believe the girls had trusted me with them in my state so thought they must be imaginary...thought everything was being made up from my memory of things. Had to touch the car tio make sure it was really there and then when I was in it I kept looking around making sure people hadn't disappeared.

On the journey to the hospital roads seemed to be going on forever and it seemed like loads of time had gone but everytime I looked at the cklock the time was the same...then occasionally it would change...my oerceotion of time complete went. Then I was kinda playing a game with my mind trying to cathc out...loking for mistakes that it had made...checking the mileage on the car to make sure I was in the car I thought I was in and also touching the gear stick to see what it was made of because my mates car had a metal one and stuff like that...

When I got to the hospital I insisted on waiting for a doctor to come to me because I couldnt trust anyone else. Also the car we were parked behind was a silver mg zr and my mate has a rover 25 so thought it might be his car and we were parked at his house and again my mind was distorting things. Then got takne into the hospital and I started to come to a bit! But still wasnt entirely convinced! they took my blood pressure and pulse and the heart rate monitor was beating insanely quickly! So they put the little electrodes all over my shest to check it out...were still a little concerned so had to stay for an hour or so! Slowly went bvack to normal and realised that most of what I thought happened I happened! Except everyone was real and I did do the stuff I did! then I was pretty much fine! Another reason I was rhinking my mind was paying tricks was because the same wasnt happening to my mate and the things he said kinda represented mny thoughts so I thought he was something in my head!

O yeah...another thing was road signs I kept seeing over and over again! Was ****ing weird! ****ign scary although very mentally chasllenging as I tried to maintain control of my mind and then ended up losing it! Scary stuff!

nomis

being para my have the advantage of not having your stomach and chest spazams a Quad would, It was as if someone was crushing my chest due to the spazams.

I Have had trips and Mushrooms before, one mate sufferedsurvere cramps from mushrooms, we straightend him out and reasured him the pain woud go, it was mostley psychological pain induced by the stricnine cramps.

In no way was mine psych related, it was pure muscle camping and spazams. My mind was clear, unlike mymate who thought i was just outand out dying. & was shitting at the thought of his Mrs knowing he does drugs.

watched Fear & Loathing in LasVegas. a couple of weeks before. Brought back some great memories. "You know those little things that get to you about being crippled" appart from feeling like my chest was being crushed, I was a little crushed about not being able to enjoy taking Acid ever again.,

BTW have you noticed the smilies on the left. looks like the sad ass one must be most used here..

If you have nerve pain issues DONT TOUCH E! Fungi gives no problems so the little birdie says.

You damn dope heads!

Ok I confess I've totally done my share of drugs, pre and post injury. Acid is a lover of mine. Definitly a mind game. Who is going to control who. Me or the Acid. I love it. I havent gotten a hold of it probably 4 yrs tho, and havent really had a desire to do so. I remember feeling so perma fried for months after the last time I did it.

So last month, a bunch of us took some E. I typically dont get spasms in my legs but while 'rolling' I had too much going on that i couldnt "get out" my legs ended up stretching themselves out and bouncing alot. Everyone thought I was doing it at first cause it looked so natural. I had to swear I couldnt! My poor friend Jason, I had my feet in his lap as we sat outside, and with every stretch of the legs he got his balls crushed! Oh man it was funny. You think we would have just moved my feet but NOOOOO.. we're dumb and it was funny!

I have to admit I totally figured with such a lack of sensation below my injury, and my muscles going nuts. I for sure thought I would piss myself or something gross. Thank god I didnt!

Well, when I 1st got injured I was clued in on all the what to do's and what NOT to do's. It's in my nature to always find out WHY someone would say NOT to do something (hense, the most likely reason I'm in a chair to begin with. Either that or the luck factor cause if it wasn't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all...so I've been told). LSD, definitely a NOT. 1st time it was kind of weak, I was strapped down in bed, and had plenty of herbals to help keep the tenseness under control, so I thought it was controlable. Till I got a hold of some that was a hole lot better and and talk about feeling like you're running a marathon in one place. I too had friends rubbing ice all over me with the doors and windows open when it was 30° F outside. I even had some strong shrooms that did the same. I did shrooms a few times and found the natural, kind of weaker, ones to be ok but you never know what you're getting on the streets.

Basically those act on the CNS and any other stimulant can have the same effect. Coke, meth, even cigarettes can cause light to moderate spasms. Which, if I could just quit smoking them things, then I wouldn't have to woke so much smeed. No, not the coke n meth, the cig's. I can still afford the coke n meth but the taxes on cig's are killin me. I'm down to buying filters, papers, a cheap can of tobacco and rolling my own now (kidding about the coke n meth you know).

Anyways, never tried X or E or whatever it may be. Always kind of wanted to and probably would have if given the chance. Might think twice about it now after what Ches just said, but I'd probably still have to find out WHY NOT, lol. Though I don't see it being much better than a viagra, some good chronic, and MY imagination to get the same affect, lol.

Other than that I'll stick to my herbals and that's it. I think I've had enough with drugs before and after. The way I see it, if it wasn't for drugs, I had only 2 options to choose from. Prison, or a chair. Could have been both, but I guess the DA felt I was sentenced to his liking so all charges dropped. OH, thats another story.

"Druuugs are bad mmmmmmkkaayy. So, so don't do druuugs, mmmmmmmmmmmmkkaaayyyy!"

Wow - I'm glad I read your posts re LSD! Have not done acid since the 60's - pre-injury - and have lately been considering the possibility of revisiting that experience. I would have been totally caught off guard about the physical effects. Thanks so much for this info!

Use to do mushrooms quite regular when you could buy the grow kits legally in UK. Had some right laughs on them, the only draw back was the leg spasms. My legs looked like there was some kind of snake under my skin, wriggling about. I have damaged nerves in my spine, my right leg does nothing and my left leg works abit but i have to use a wheelchair full time. When on the mushrooms i could upright for quite awhile something which i couldn't do normally, think my legs use to lock in place. First time it happened i got of the toilet and stood up and stayed up, i thought i was tripping!!!! then it happened again later on, had to sit down again though as it made me laugh so much!!
I must add that one time the mushroom trip went wrong............jesus i went to some dark places in my mind.

I watched a documentry on t.v about a man who had bad terets syndrome (you know, where the person ticks and can't stay still & swears a lot)
Anyway, when he dropped an 'E', 30 minutes later, he was 90-95% normal again until the pill wore off! It was unbelievable.
I've only tried trips twice. The first time I was indoors and it made me paranoid beyond beleif.
Second time I was walking around the street and felt much better.
But drugs are bad kids.....'drugs don't work' (the verve).

I take E's every now and then when we've going to a party/having people over...I have to admit I love the feeling, love the music, love everyone..lol..but I do spasm all night and probably the next couple of days after.
No nerve pain though, so I suppose that's one good thing.

Way back before E became popular and it was doing the rounds of fringe psychotherapists involved particularly in couples counseling, I tried it a couple of times. On the negative side it seemed to prevent my bladder firing (back then I voided off pressure/reflex) and I wondered if it was causing pressure on the kidneys. On the good side I would put it right up there with the most positively significant experiences of my life. It allowed me to get in touch with the depth of my loving and I've been riding on the confidence of that ever since.

But I'm cruelly scathing of people who abuse E as a night after night party drug. Such use is idiotic and subsequently creates idiots. I can better understanding people quietly experiencing it with their partner or used meditatively.

I spasmed a bit from time to time but, as a para, it was tolerable. I think more information is needed about it's possible physical affects on SCI people, particularly re kidneys.

I got injured when i was a teen so in many attempts to not lose my youth i kept doing the things and being the way i was before my accident. One of the things was that i experimented with many drugs as i had done before. Pre accident i tired things in the form of pills, a few powders and hallucinogens; and post accident i used meth, coke, shrooms and E. All of these drugs affected me the way they would affect a normal person. I don't recall any severe occurances of spasms, they were there when i was on E but not anything painful. On mushrooms i felt like i needed to pee often (but the full bladder is a sensation i regained right after my accident). Anyway I stopped doing all these things when i was 18 to focus on other college. Lately a friend of mine and i were wondering what would happen if i were to take LSD since that is the one drug i never tried again. I am glad i found this forum for all the insight.

Please do not judge me or try to tell me that drugs are bad because i know this and i am a successful person. My previous drug use is my own business and i was young.

YOu're a bad bad person...drugs are bad

I did mushrooms in Amsterdam 2 years post injury. I'd had them many times when able bodied so I knew what to expect.......Except the spasms. I couldn't push anywhere because they were so bad. I wasn't bothered but my mates were panicking a bit!!.. It was a laugh though but if it was your first time it could do your head in.

For sure, Any mind altering goodies can realy screw with your head. My first trip was Quality I had been told by everyone that had taken that batch only take half,, "OK" 1/2 hour later i dropped the rest. That realy did set the bench-mark for anythng ive had since.

So appart from me saying to any Quad, I wouldnt advise taking LSD. If you havnt taken it pre crippled, you dont realy dont know your missing out on anything anyway so dont take LSD

Meth is all good with me, no adverse reaction at all. Just an angry mother-f*@ker when i come down. But thats nothing new.

Its the first time I had posted here, or anywhere. I am supprised at the responce, Its good.

Ive been a Quad for around 12 years, done a bit of everything. "I dont mean drugs" I work, play etc so if your looking for anything in he way of advice or sugestions, i'm willing to lend a reasonably limp hand. If your looking to whinge about how hard your life is (i'm not for you)!

Nice thread. Like everyone here, my legs shook when I did acid, and also when I used mescaline, peyote, and mushrooms. I also spiked a fever, not real high but up around 100. I wondered then and since whether other quads had similar symptoms; seems they do.

Since the psychedelics are all set-and-setting drugs--which means your situation and expectations markedly influence your experience--, the fever and spasms weren't real conducive to a good time; I tended toward small doses and used each only three or four times.

After my first hallucinogenic experience, with mescaline, I wrote a psychiatrist/neurologist asking for information. He suggested I get immediate psychiatric help, which I may have needed, but not because I was curious about the hallucinogens and wondered to what extent my SCI might complicate my responses. What Timmy has elicited here is some of what I wanted to know.

It's Christmas Eve. Merry Christmas to all.

Let me just clarify a few things about taking acid, so you might know what to expect:

1.) Acid (REAL LSD) is not recreational substance like pot, booze, boy or coke. It is a drug that opens-up consciousness in different areas of your psyche. It also tends to amplify emotions you experience at any given moment.

If you're going through a tough time, it would not be a good idea to drop a hit. But, if you've just spent the last three weeks doing nothing but cramming for final exams, dropping a hit might just open your mind allowing you to formulate the data and information that you have been gathering through study, into bits of knowledge that can be integrated into a greater overall understanding not only of the general course material, but it's practical application, as well.

Do it well before, or just after finals, though. Don't try to trip while taking the test.

2.) If you research the history of this type of mind altering drug, you will find that many cultures require a lengthy purification period prior to using the drug.

The process usually involves an unusually harsh measure of self-denial. Whether through fasting, celibacy, or adhering to some other sort of rigid cultural code, these purification processes often require strict abnegation and perseverance in adherence to ritual procedures.

Only after successfully completing this purification process is one permitted to take the drug that allows them to experience this "journey of the mind".

It is possible to perform your own purification ritual through diet (fasting if you wish), exercise, study, and of course, celibacy.


3.) things you can expect after dropping a hit:

a.) you will not come-on right away. Expect a gap between 1 1/2 - 4 hours before you even begin to experience the first indications that your ride is beginning. Some people have been known to become impatient after the first hour or two, and having felt nothing, they dropped more tabs. Needless to say, when they peeked, their trip was far more intense than they had expected and it was entirely unproductive.

b.) Empty stomach, only! Do not drop after eating.
Acid will make you nauseous, so if you have food in your stomach you can expect to lose it -not a good beginning for an acid trip.

c.) Find a calm, safe place for your trip. Do not go out too far from home. Do not go anywhere with bad vibes or bad people. This will affect your trip.

d.) Check your eyes and you will find that your pupils have become giant black dots. Anyone who sees you will see this and know that you're on ... something! So, again, don't go too far from home, and avoid cops altogether.

e.) Have a jacket ready as you will experience sweats and chills several times during your trip.

f.) More than ANYTHING ELSE, take the time to properly prepare yourself for this trip. Be prepared to experience a profound epiphany. It might not be something you'll like, so it is important to be ready.

I have not dropped acid in almost 25 years, and that was back when I was pre-SCI, so I don't know what the physical reaction would be in my current condition.

Try salvia divinorum...but first read about it at sagewisdom.org

Ahhhhh, what fond memories I have of tripping. In college (mid '90s) we dropped some acid but mainly ate shrooms. Last time I ate mushrooms was pre-sci about 5 years ago. My wife and I were at the Grassroots Festival in Trumansburg, NY. great time. No real visuals, but a good head trip. I believe tripping really helped me set my head right for life. I had some really great epiphanies while on mushrooms. I think I even had "the answer to life" but then I came down, oh well.

I have thought about tripping post sci, but with all the talk about spasms I think I'll pass. The green helps calm my spasms and gives a mood lift, so that's prolly my limit for now.

Thanks for the info guys.

Hurb

i would limit the advice of not drop an acid to sci from T5 and higher.. because we dont have our autonomic nervous system working. and drugs normally mess with temperature, blood pressure and other functions regulated by this ANS.
as for the spasms, they are exagerated by one of the side effect caused by pne of the components of a pill of ecstacy, strychnine. strychnine caused spams even in AB because it blocks the inhibitory signs to the muscles, kind of the way a sci does..

im not sure of the second part..

but the first is true so be very careful when using drugs

we usually say we feel our body when smoking a joint but i believe its low blood pressure that causes thar feeling. when i smoke i have the same feeling when im about to pass out

I tried sillycybun shrooms and did the Mexican jumping bean imitation for a couple of hours I thought I was going to do a jig there for a while sure wasn't a hell of a lot of fun.

Hi all..

I remember one year after my accident I was at a party and there was some e' tabs about so I thought,why not dude, give it a go... well let me say, it was quite a trip...

Massive amout of leg movements.. shit, I could almost walk again!! Main problem was, I was driving so I had to wait outside my car for about two hours before I could get back in the car. Let alone drive. I was tripping for about 12 hours after that too.. legs all over the place.

I fine grass far more relaxing!!!

There was a time when I'd have paid a lot of money to experience what you did.
E-dog

This is my brain any qustions?
Just read anything I've posted on this site.
A glass eye in a ducks ass could see the kinda stuff I took when I was a youngster. In the doses I choked down? Shit would kill an elephant. Maybe even two elephants!
But that was a long time ago. And this is now. With a SCI.
I've heard, from various sources, all independent of each other, the same basic thing. It ain't a great idea. Level of injury? Not sure, didn't ask. Just that for some reason, the shit don't work right.
Maybe the spinal legion prevents some signal from getting where it needs to go. Mostly complaints of stomach upset and big time spasms. That and a lack of visuals. Sounds like all the bad and none of the good.
Yes siree bob, LSD made me the man I am today.
But I think, now, a good sativa fer daytime, an' a nice indica fer night will do me OK.
That and something dark on tap with a couple of Cuervo's and I'm on a roll.
with mustard an' onions.

E-dog

if u do decide 2 trip, woodman's advice is right on the money

hi, very similar to what happened to me,i was working at the time as a teacher in slovakia,i was with my girlfriend and totally p****D off -lack of money,food etc her brother came round and we had a joint together,i don't know to this day what was in it, but it done something to my head and made me super paranoid,they both wanted to go out afterwards so we went down to the ground floor and waited for a tram,people seemed to be laughing at me with clowns faces, i s**t myself and ran back up to the flat with my g/f and brother on my tail,they tried to calm me down upstairs but i felt an evil prescence in the room and as her bruv went to make coffee in the kitchen i just ran for the window and jumped straight through it shattering the glass and felt myself hurtling toward the concrete below on first floor!
after spinning round in the air a few times i felt a sickening crunch on my back then blood in my mouth, i thought it was the end,as i started to fade away i remember feeling as if 20 people were kicking me in the back with hobnail boots on and then after as if i was in a drug/opium den and people forcing a needle in my arm,it was the most frightening experience in my life and i felt i was the only person in the world and everone was a figment of my imagination,never touched any since

Before I was injured I used to "experiment" with both Acid and Mushrooms. After my injury I did mushrooms a couple of times. It was 6 hours of intense muscles spasms. The only way I could stop them was to sit "indian style" and even then they were vibrating. It was like a full body workout but extremely uncomfortable. I was exhausted after each time. Although one time I went swimming and the cool water seemed to stop the spasms but I couldn't stay in the water for 6 hours.

tom

Years back I had mushrooms a few times. The first experience was exhausting but it was a different mushroom in a different part of the world the next few times and the experience was good - just a few gentle spasms otherwise all honey.

Guys... can we Sticky this topic?

I wish I found this before I took shrooms/acid. I took shrooms, and much like tom above -- I had on-going spasm marathon for 6 + hours. As for Acid... it was the most amazing/worst experience of my life. I wouldn't change it, it was a very insightful experience -- however, I won't ever do acid again, it was wwaaaay to exhausting.

I took 2 tabs of acid, and started to smoke some herbs to kill sometime. Believe it or not, my 'sitter' for my acid trip had to go, and we were both too high to remember.

Long story short -- the first 4 hours were the worst in my life. I had horrendus spasms. Legs, stomach, everything. Stomach spasms= urination!
After the first 2 hours, when the spasms got really bad, I got undressed and laid down on the floor. I looked at the clock and it was 3 hours later. I looked down and I sat in my own pool of sweat, and urine, and geez man geez!
I've also dabbled with E, and the spasms were horrible with that, too.

All in all -- I realized that I don't like to 'lose control' and I don't like to make myself feel bad. I won't do drugs again. Please make this topic sticky'ed, hopefully it'll spare another fella the agony.

Some drugs you can do, some ya can't.
Nomis is the only guy I've ever heard of who had an ok trip on hallucinogens.
But then again consider the source.........
E-dog (seemingly born on LSD)

Maybe that should be sauce.

Some here are posting real concerns taken from their own experiences with hallucinogens and I think it's important to take serious note of them. At the same time I want to clarify my position.

I've only ever taken LCD in the company of medical doctors (off duty) and I don't ever intend to try it again. The several "experiments" were richly rewarding but I too got strong spasms, leaving me exhausted. What I had was worth it but I'm no longer interested to go through that again.

A couple of other times I had E with those same supports. Spasm was present but not too bad. The experience changed my life for the better, possibly the most significant realization in my life. But I felt drained the next day and I wouldn't do it again. I don't think it did my body any good.

Mushrooms was a different situation - I was travelling and less responsible with the risk. The first time in Mexico was miserable, hours of exhausting spasms on a river bank which is not a safe environment. A couple of later experiences were in a safer situation and were rather gentle. But the danger of mistakenly eating a poisonous fungi is not worth doing it again.

Any SCI person dabbling with these hallucinogens should be very cautious because it's obvious that strong spasms are common and may hinder breathing or cause severe bruising. Anyone still intending to experiment should go to great lengths to ensure a super safe environment including soft surroundings and knowledgeable friends with you.

To sum that up, I wouldn't have missed the experiences but it is risky and now having experienced it I'm not going near it again.

Much better.
Thanx for the elucidation.
E-dog

I'm a C5-C6 complete and So I've had trouble with the spasms too while tripping either acid or mushrooms. My legs sticking straight out and shake relentlessly and my only fix is to strap them to my chair with a belt. My abdomen and back were flexing back and forth, I did have to urinate a lot so a condom cath helps. The worst parts are my fingers clenching (quad's) and the heating up. Once I was tripping outside in cold cold weather with no shirt on and still hot. And you know how most quads are, so I knew this was not normal.

Don't get me wrong I did love it you feel so free and clear, but this is a big risk. So remember KNOW YOUR BODY, KNOW YOUR MIND, KNOW YOUR DRUG. Be absolutely sure some one will be with you to help and DON'T go out in public.

My scientific theory for what causes this is that Psychedelics like acid even E cause a random synapse or firing of the nerves in your brain and cerebrum which controls a lot of bodily functions. So when one doesn't have any control over the firing of nerves linking to the control of paralyzed limbs in the first place and acid is introduced and causes random firing you get CRAZY spasms for 6 HOURS straight.

So if your in it deep I say take meds for spasms, stay cool (wet towels work), and enjoy the ride.

Hey all

Wow - gald i found this thread... great to talk about drugs with other SCI people, as for us its a slightly different experience

My drug of chouice is alcohol, but i dabble with others occasionally. I found that Ecstasy didnt make my legs go nuts, until after a few hours... one night I had to lay down as the spasms was making me so knackered, but i found that having a beer seemed to solve it. I think the scientific explanation is that beer suprreses your nervous syste, so counters the effect.

I went to Amsterdam and we all bought some shrooms... I wasnt sure how I was going to react, so only tried about half of one, and half a n hour-hour later - my legs started going again but not very intense.... I imagine that if I had had a lot more they would have went crazy! Again, maybe having a few drinks alongside would solve the issue.... but I just decided shrooms wernt for me as leg spasm isnt pleasent for me, and causes my whole bod to shake..... and makes people im with worry about me!

For me, Im going to stick to a few pints and possibly a spliff and a line every now ang again.... I probably will be up for an E again in the future, but not v often (ill have to be pissed and raving to some hard trance or something equally as ear damaging)

great thread... and good that everyones so bloody honest, thats what we need!

I had to go to the hospital for eating 2 gel tabs of Acid.. it was a horrible experiance!.. before my injury i tripped all the time.. but yes i must agree its not a good idea for quads or para's to trip.. it sends all kinds of impulses through your CNS.

Interesting thread.

I'm a para and I always hate the spasms that accompany psychotropics.. The worst time I've ever had was only a few weeks ago.. I ordered Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds and consumed them. They contain LSA (Lysergic Acid Amides), the trip is very similar to the effects of LSD, but with waaaaaay more spasms.. I had to get out of my chair and into bed as my legs and stomach were clenched and vibrating nonstop. I was overheating and sweating profusely. It wasn't until I puked that I started to feel a little relief.

I'm curious if anyone here has experimented with salvia or DMT? I have ordered both from the internet and it would be nice to get some information about how these substances effect quad/paraplegics.

Thanks in advance.

Has anyone taken salvia since there SCI? My friend just bought some salvia X15 an i am dieing to try it. Any advice or tips?

I just ordered some 45x myself. I've been injured for 5 years now and I never did salvia pre-injury, so I was nervous myself the first time. It was really really fun. Just make sure that you transfer over to a couch or bed before taking your first rip. It comes with a very strong feeling of being pushed around. As long as you make sure that you are in a safe spot and mentally prepared for a trip, you'll be fine.

Have Fun!

I'll post the results of my DMT experience once I've done it.

Anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with the spasms of psychotropics like LSD, MDMA, and Psilocybin.

Hell yeah man thanks for the info.

My god! Dope addicts! Tisk, Tisk, Tisk.

Nearly 20 years ago E's seemed to have a stronger effect,maybe a bit of help by placebo effect as they went hand in hand with the Rave scene which was underground alot,fun times!! Alcahol has a worse after effect now on me as it seems to stay with me all the next day as well with increased spasms but at the time they seem to have the same effect as in muscle relaxing all night,i guess everyone is diferrent and yes everyone should know their own body,i have to stay in bed write the next day off if i had a big night out,like 2 or 3 E's (usually best taken 1/2's at a time) along with around 6-8 bottles and a couple of shots or JD etc and get to bet at around 5 or 6 am or later! then again anyone would huh? its just worse!
ps like LUCKY ,i saw the documentery on the guy with tourettes who took E's (Pills) and it totally calm him,it was fascinating

Saw a doco where it dramaticaly improved on Parkinsons but each subsequent time the effect was less. Also, only worked on some. But interesting for further research.

Thank you for the information.

I tried mushrooms a few weeks ago and while sitting my left leg was bouncing like a person who taps it nervously. The entire trip while sitting was very moderate (I ate around 3.5 grams around 10 at night) with some visuals like the tile floor twisting and moving. Several hours later when I went to bed things got interesting.

Having shroomed before I knew what to expect, crawling around in my head an such, but this was fun. My legs were locked straight but that didn't bother me, I spent the entire time figuring out my life since I have only been injured 5 months. A light from my television lit up the wall and made a comforting "face" of blue.

I think lying down made the mushrooms take their full effect. As I lay in bed I would look at my watch to notice hours pass in a matter of minutes, and man oh man the face of my watch was distorted. I felt as my alarms were going off very quickly after each other as I took my meds and cathed. I think finally fell asleep sometime around 8 in the morning and restlessly "slept" until 7 at night.

I want to try LSD still and with what yall have said I have more information on how to do it safely. I am a very laid back person and have never been scared by trips, in fact I think this makes them even more fun.

The bit about the cleansing ritual sounds interesting and I think I will try that in order to "get more from it" if you will. This is my first post by the way, I'm Rob. I realized I just pissed myself (damn UTIs) so I have to go take care of that.

Again, thank you very much. I'll be sure and let you all know how my trip goes.

Hey, my brother was a quadrapalegic, C-4 C-5. He decided to drop acid for the first time this September and he was dead the next morning... It's still not excatly clear what happened, but it's too much of a coincidence to not be the acid. I wish he would have checked this site out first, but it's too late for him... I can, however, prevent it from happening to anyone else, so I will warn anyone with a spinal cord injury not to take lsd or any other psychadaelic drug, please. I'm sure there are too many people that love and care for you to risk for an acid trip.

I take a lot of drugs (I mean when I do take them, not every day lol or even every week) and I've never died.

...........yet!!!!!!!

People take risks every day, someone could could die getting out of bed, slip bang their head! xx

Hey whats up, i found this forum while researching the effects of magic mushrooms on paraplegics. I myself was paralyzed in a motorbike accident when i tried to jump a street bike off a 15 foot embankment at 100kph, didn't land it to well but it seemed like a good idea at the time (alcohol assisted).

I have tried doing mushrooms twice in the past since my accident but both times only did a couple pieces to just test out their effects on me, both times my legs started stretching, tensing and bouncing like crazy. So i started researching the effects on others that have done larger amounts cause in a week or so I'm going to be doing them again (6-8 grams i hope) and am hoping i do enough to overcome the spastic legs and allow me to trip.

I have found all the posts in this thread very useful and now have an excellent idea of what i should be expecting. I have done mushrooms/acid pre-injury and loved them without end, doing them was like setting life aside for awhile and just having a blast. While in the chair i have done E on numerous occasions and as long as the E was a good mix of whatever was in it I would have an awesome time on it, there would be some minor leg bouncing and spasms but drinking alcohol at the same time could calm that down alot.

Anyways just wanted to thanks all who posted their experiences and say that i will be capturing this trip on video and will hopefully be uploading it to the net and could post a vid on here also that could be used to show the effects of shrooms on us paralyzed folks.

Thanks


Brandon.

Pal, I'm a devout atheist.
But I think I'll pray for you anyway.