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Francesco
Hello all,
I am an engineer designing a go-kart with hand controls for tetraplegic drivers. I have a questionnaire for you to fill out, this would really help me to improve my product. Please contact me at francesco.aglietti@gmail.com to recieve a form, it will only take you five minutes!!! Thank You!!
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DaveP
Hi Francesco

I organised a karting event only for disabled drivers in 2002 and it was a huge success. However, the hand controls were only really suitable for those with good hand function, so tetra couldn't enter. I'm a C6/7 with good strong arms and hands, and even though I could work the accelorator and brakes handles, the steering on karts is heavy, so steering and braking was a problem.

If you want to design controls to suit an individual, then that's one thing. However, if you want to design something more universal that could be used by karting tracks so they can rent their karts to tetras etc, then that is a much more interesting project.

What are you aiming to achieve?
Francesco
Hello Dave,
what I am designing is a go-kart with 'universal' hand controls for disabled drivers, in particular for tetraplegic drivers. I am not designing the system around one particular driver, I want it to be accessible to any disabled driver with an interest in go-karts.
Having said that, I am at the very first stages of the design process, and I thought I might share some product design specifications with you, so that you have better idea of what I want to acheive:

1)I am using a 125cc clutched go-kart. LGK is a go-kart company from Italy which is willing to give me a hand with manufacturing and is actually providing a chassis and engine (www.lgk.it).

2)I want to keep things as simple as possible, therefore I would like to avoid power steering and lots of electrical aids. This is related to costs and ease of maintenance. However, my product should be the result of what the average driver wants.

3)The controls should be integrated in the steering wheel. I know that there are few existing products for disabled go-kart drivers and I do not want to 'reinvent the wheel'. I want to design an ergonomic steering wheel which will include 'easy-to-use' controls for the throttle and brake. The steering wheel radius should be larger than usual to reduce the amount of force required to turn the kart. I am hoping to make the steering wheel remoevable.

4)The seat should have a higher back support and should be covered with some padding material to avoid pressure ulcers.

5)I will include seat-belts and leg supports

6)The steering column should be adjustable: length and angle.

I have much more to say but I dont want to write my entire thesis on this post!! Any comments or suggestions?
Francesco
DaveP
QUOTE (Francesco @ Nov 20 2007, 01:13 PM) *
Hello Dave,
what I am designing is a go-kart with 'universal' hand controls for disabled drivers, in particular for tetraplegic drivers. I am not designing the system around one particular driver, I want it to be accessible to any disabled driver with an interest in go-karts.
Having said that, I am at the very first stages of the design process, and I thought I might share some product design specifications with you, so that you have better idea of what I want to acheive:

1)I am using a 125cc clutched go-kart. LGK is a go-kart company from Italy which is willing to give me a hand with manufacturing and is actually providing a chassis and engine (www.lgk.it).

I'd try to design something that can be sold as a kit and suitable for all or nearly all karts, so it can be fitted easily and quickly, then removed so the kart can return to normal. That way, existing karting tracks could buy sets and when a wheelchair user comes along, they can fit the controls quickly. Marketed correctly, this will bring new business for them but it's all about cost - how many rides will it take to cover the costs of buying your kit... and if it's too complicated and unreliable, and hard to fit/remove, then this will put buyers off.


2)I want to keep things as simple as possible, therefore I would like to avoid power steering and lots of electrical aids. This is related to costs and ease of maintenance. However, my product should be the result of what the average driver wants.

It takes a fair amount of power to turn the steering on karts, and to operate the brakes and accelorater, so it's either some sort of servo-assisted set up or levers, which tend to be big and in the way...


3)The controls should be integrated in the steering wheel. I know that there are few existing products for disabled go-kart drivers and I do not want to 'reinvent the wheel'. I want to design an ergonomic steering wheel which will include 'easy-to-use' controls for the throttle and brake. The steering wheel radius should be larger than usual to reduce the amount of force required to turn the kart. I am hoping to make the steering wheel remoevable.

This is the area to focus on. I've seen several different designs, one being a handle-bar set up. The system we used was designed by a Dutch paraplegic guy that specialises in this, Hans van Schjack...

http://www.crosskart.nl/aangepastkarten.php


4)The seat should have a higher back support and should be covered with some padding material to avoid pressure ulcers.

Padded covers are easy to fit and remove, wash, etc.

The upper-body needs support so this is what we used...
http://www.tillett.co.uk/index2.html


5)I will include seat-belts and leg supports

Leg supports are easy - padded supports for ankles/calfs with velcro straps.

With the above rib-cage support, which could be re-designed and made adjustable so it can be easily and quickly adjusted to different drivers, would mean you won't necessarily need seat belts.



6)The steering column should be adjustable: length and angle.

I think this could be a problem/safety issue - check this out. Don't really see this as necessary.

Hope this helps.


I have much more to say but I dont want to write my entire thesis on this post!! Any comments or suggestions?
Francesco
Francesco
Hello,
the information you have given me is very valuable, I appreciate your help. By the end of December I will have a final concept, and some 3D designs to show you (maybe a website too).
Ciao,
Francesco
Doug
thats all fine for strong arm tetras but someone like me with no pecks, tricepts, or hand control is poor.
with todays brake master cylinders you could do a simple side setup, using push for gass and pull to apply breaks on 1 lever which you strap the drivers hand to. to steer you could gear it to be easier and use a larger steering wheel with a tripin then no matter the tetra you can drive give me a chassis and motor and Ill have a working model by feb 08
DaveP
QUOTE (Doug @ Nov 21 2007, 10:45 PM) *
thats all fine for strong arm tetras but someone like me with no pecks, tricepts, or hand control is poor.
with todays brake master cylinders you could do a simple side setup, using push for gass and pull to apply breaks on 1 lever which you strap the drivers hand to. to steer you could gear it to be easier and use a larger steering wheel with a tripin then no matter the tetra you can drive give me a chassis and motor and Ill have a working model by feb 08



Yeap, you;re right.

Why dont you try to come up with a design for a kit that can be installed and removed from standard karts also?

It must be made simple and relaible, and able to meet as many situations as possible (ie, 1 arm... no hands....) and if existing karting tracks are helped to drum up business, then they'll be glad to buy the gear, confident that they will recover their investment from rentals. Normal business!

A strong selling point is, a wheelchair user will probably go karting with a bunch of mates, so the figures look much better. Statistically, I suppose, we are nearly always a minium of 2.

Try to think beyond just tetras and try to make something to be more universal so it suits as many potential "clients" as possible. Imagine owning a kart track and having to buy all sorts of different kits to suit different disabiltiies, and all the hassle of changing kits, blah blah blah...

It has to be easy to install and remove, and be easy to use. You do the rest! lol
Andrew Meddings
a steering wheel isnt necessary a bar set up works better.steering geomentry can be altered to lighten up steering a little. my kart requires strong hands but bars set up to push more than turn so not putting presure on ribs. all me kids & their freinds only like driving with my hand controls & a spare kart i had with regular controls sat at track unused. last time i was a at a track with my karts i gave a few able bod karters a go & both stated it was easier to control than theirs. a seat 1 size larger with a custom padded cover works well. ive had plenty of quads asking if it can be addapted to suit but havnt had the time . i would be very interested to see what you come up with .
theo
I have built a few small buggies and found that a handle bar set up works great. I use a twist throttle and the master cyl. of a dirt bike. The handle bar maybe 12 inches across and I also have a quick disconnect on the handle bar for ease off access.

ted
Francesco
Hey,
I would like to use a motorcycle brake master cylinder with my steering wheel controls, can anyone suggest any models? Has anybody ever used a bike master cylinder on their kart? Thanks
theo
A front master cyl. from any dirt bike 80 - 125 cc. You have use a flex line from the master cyl. down to a hard line. A car flex line works if it has a banjo end on it. I used a after market Subaru flex line.

theo
Doug
QUOTE (theo @ Dec 1 2007, 10:27 AM) *
I have built a few small buggies and found that a handle bar set up works great. I use a twist throttle and the master cyl. of a dirt bike. The handle bar maybe 12 inches across and I also have a quick disconnect on the handle bar for ease off access.

ted

being a c-5-6 do you have hand function? how do you use a twist throttle and hand brake?
theo
I'm a partial, I have the use of my hands to some extent.
theo
Do you think that a go kart could be set up with the steering column being able to move forward for brake and rearward for gas. The column could be preloaded with a spring to have some resistance. Then you could use a small handle bar for steering and drivers with little hand function can have them strapped to the handle bar.

theo
Andrew Meddings
QUOTE (Francesco @ Dec 11 2007, 08:48 PM) *
Hey,
I would like to use a motorcycle brake master cylinder with my steering wheel controls, can anyone suggest any models? Has anybody ever used a bike master cylinder on their kart? Thanks


i use kawasaki zxr master cylinder it has a remote resivoir so mounting angle is not important. i use a mountain bike brake lever assy for throttle i find it is far more controlled than a twist grig
theo
Andrew, do you have a pic of your kart?


theo
Francesco
For those interested, there are some interesting pics in this website http://www.myvalleynews.com/story.php?story_id=27127

Also, soon I will show you guys my latest design of hand controls for disabled drivers. Both paraplegic and tetraplegic drivers will be able to drive go-karts with this special steering wheel. After following some useful advice from this forum, I am going to design a universal kit, instead of just hand controls, which will modify most standard go-karts into disabled go-karts.
Ciao
Tim Ripley
These are not what Francesco is working on but for those with full hand use they have been pretty good for me this past summer...

http://picasaweb.google.com/TimothyR.Ripley/MyKartControls

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theo
Tim, where do you race the kart?

theo
Tim Ripley
QUOTE (theo @ Dec 24 2007, 10:13 AM) *
Tim, where do you race the kart?

theo


Englishtown, NJ (Raceway Park) and also Oakland Valley Race Park...so far.

I'm trying to convince Velocity 17 in Maywood NJ to setup concession karts with hand controls too...the mfg has 'em but apparently needs to supply a complete kart (not sure why)...communications with V17 have fallen off...

F1 Boston has concession karts with hand controls as well as F1 Outdoors (Zanardi controls)...check out www.SSCEast.com and www.F1Boston.com

but be very careful...its extremely addictive!
ian
hi thare sorry about the spelling . not verry good with thi should have went to school ha. yes you have a dilema ,i am t4-5-6 after motox disaster 3 years ago one year ago i bought an f1 chassey with a 6 speed tmk9 125cc engin when i can i go raciing at my lockal trak, i made hand controls for it but i have good arme and hand muskles stil have to be lifted in and out but well wothe the fun . choped steering wheel and mounted throttle barrel from motorcykle . went to push bike shop got long thin gear change cable and small soldernes cable for other end . went to m-p for clutch lever that fitted straight on to clutch cable . then bought a hiabusa brake mastercylinder £70 x2 off mounted that to the reer of the wheel . got the local welder to mate the levers together in a u shape the went todemon tweeke to get the fittins to join mastercylinders togrther and the brabeb pipe and duble banjo tothen go to a vw pollo rear master cylinder that is fitted inside a pice of 2 inch box with one end blanked off soe onley one piston moves remove th foot pedle and use that for a mounting poit mastercylinders varey in type use the one that look like kelgat ones to much to explane but will get back to you tomorow with a photograph but it still needs a good grip to control. drive.gif
ian
QUOTE (ian @ Dec 26 2007, 11:53 PM) *
hi thare sorry about the spelling . not verry good with thi should have went to school ha. yes you have a dilema ,i am t4-5-6 after motox disaster 3 years ago one year ago i bought an f1 chassey with a 6 speed tmk9 125cc engin when i can i go raciing at my lockal trak, i made hand controls for it but i have good arme and hand muskles stil have to be lifted in and out but well wothe the fun . choped steering wheel and mounted throttle barrel from motorcykle . went to push bike shop got long thin gear change cable and small soldernes cable for other end . went to m-p for clutch lever that fitted straight on to clutch cable . then bought a hiabusa brake mastercylinder £70 x2 off mounted that to the reer of the wheel . got the local welder to mate the levers together in a u shape the went todemon tweeke to get the fittins to join mastercylinders togrther and the brabeb pipe and duble banjo tothen go to a vw pollo rear master cylinder that is fitted inside a pice of 2 inch box with one end blanked off soe onley one piston moves remove th foot pedle and use that for a mounting poit mastercylinders varey in type use the one that look like kelgat ones to much to explane but will get back to you tomorow with a photograph but it still needs a good grip to control. drive.gif
ian
cant youse this to save my self. well try again.i said that i would send pictures ,well here thaye are not. verry good will send some better ones later . ps it workes well for me .
ian
QUOTE (ian @ Dec 27 2007, 06:24 PM) *
cant youse this to save my self. well try again.i said that i would send pictures ,well here thaye are not. verry good will send some better ones later . ps it workes well for me .
ian
francesco send me an e mail and i will send you photographs of my system. ianmcghie360@hotmail.co.uk
Gimpspeed
a good friend of mine makes and sells some really nice kart controls. check them out at:180psi
ian
QUOTE (Gimpspeed @ Jan 11 2008, 02:18 AM) *
a good friend of mine makes and sells some really nice kart controls. check them out at:180psi

thanks for that mate i will spred the word cheers.gif
Rib Tickler
I'm a c5 complete. So I'm relying on my mum and dad to be my hands. I didn't get much done on it last year. But I hope to have it done by the end of this year 2008. I'll be starting on it as soon as the warmer weather is here. Its only gone to be a fun kart, so I won't be racing against others, but I'll hopefully use it on a local track. However, saying its only a fun kart, it is a twin engine GX200 Pro Kart. (ex rental, so built like a brick outhouse ) I needed something heavy to hold the rally seat I've put in it.
theo
QUOTE (Rib Tickler @ Mar 18 2008, 08:01 PM) *
I'm a c5 complete. So I'm relying on my mum and dad to be my hands. I didn't get much done on it last year. But I hope to have it done by the end of this year 2008. I'll be starting on it as soon as the warmer weather is here. Its only gone to be a fun kart, so I won't be racing against others, but I'll hopefully use it on a local track. However, saying its only a fun kart, it is a twin engine GX200 Pro Kart. (ex rental, so built like a brick outhouse ) I needed something heavy to hold the rally seat I've put in it.



Can you put up some pics Rib?
Rib Tickler
The kart is stored away at the minute. But as soon as the weather warms up i'll be back at it. Hopefully in the next 4 weeks. I'll be using a leaver set up, rather than the wheel. the seat is like this one.
http://rallynuts.com/motorsport/Racing_Sea...s_Seat_1791.asp

But a cheaper one off ebay.
theo
QUOTE (Rib Tickler @ Mar 19 2008, 02:13 PM) *
The kart is stored away at the minute. But as soon as the weather warms up i'll be back at it. Hopefully in the next 4 weeks. I'll be using a leaver set up, rather than the wheel. the seat is like this one.
http://rallynuts.com/motorsport/Racing_Sea...s_Seat_1791.asp

But a cheaper one off ebay.


Where do you live Rib?
Rib Tickler
About 15 miles south of Lincoln in the UK.
oli-flinn
Hi mate, hows the prodject going? any pics yet?
Rib Tickler
The weather has been so rubbish i haven't done much as yet. I got a high lift pallet truck to lift and move it around. And a rack and pinion steering box. I'm just trying to make a web site. I'll let you know URL when i figure out how to set it up.
Rib Tickler
See http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/tetrakart
Rib Tickler
I have started work again on my kart. And updated my web page.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/tetrakart
DustyP
That's all fine and dandy and I really appreciate the effort, but if you're truly building a car for tetraplejics that you want all individuals to be able to use the new ultimately will have to go with electronic hand controls. That includes zero effort steering and electronic gas and break. It's expensive but it would be universal. Everyone could use it including AB'S and high-level quadriplegics. Im a C4 quad and have good use of my arms but no land function or wrist function. I would love to be able to use a cart but it's simply not feasible unless you go electronic. Besides, it would make it's way easier for everyone to use
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