Drifting is a new auto sport where you try to slide the car sideways to get points. All about precision driving..timing...and controlled chaos.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PCCbp734UcI

Of course in order to get your car to slide, you have to drive a rear-wheel drive car, have it manual transmission, and have easy access to the e-brake.

My Honda Element is front-wheel drive, automatic, and it's pretty difficult to reach down to the e-brake.

SOLUTION! My brother and I are putting money together to purchase a new car! Well...an old POS that we're going to fix up... haha



It's automatic (so that I can fit it with hand controls) and has a KA20de motor which we're going to turbocharge. All for 600 USD.

After we get it all finished...we aim for it to look like this...



My brother has one of these already but with manual transmission. I think it'll be a good way to spend hard-earned disability money...

At least I'm not spending the money on women, drugs, or booze, eh?

I'll keep everyone posted on the progress.

Drifting is pretty cool, we used to have something like it when I lived up north only we called it winter driving.
Never had the pocketbook for trying it on dry pavement. Looks like you have the right car for the job though.

I "gravel drift" all the time... granted it's a little easier to get the slide started on gravel... if you tap the brakes while hitting the gas hard enough to downshift then by the time you start brake sliding, power will have built up enough to finish out with a "power slide"...or gravel drift... that car should have plenty of power on supply... but to boost up the instant torque you'll probably wanna put some small tires on the back

That's a real cool idea! Props props.

I was just thinking about how to 'drift' with an automatic and I think keeping the car on second gear (not on Drive) the whole time and using the brake along with the e-brake will help.

The car has a SOHC 2.4 liter engine in it. Only pumps out about a 80 horses to the wheels but we'll soon remedy that. Turbo-charger is inside a box in the trunk ready to be slapped on. With the turbo, improved fuel pump and injectors...good ECU tuning..the car can push 250 horsepower easily. We'll just have to see though...

I've been spending the last couple of days sanding and bondo'ing the heck out of the car....

I was perusing the web and found this...



I want it to look like this!

I have never used a turbo but with a small engine it's all about finding where the power is... usually this is best found in the middle of the gear with high RPM's... first you have to know at what speeds your tranny will still drop the gear and exactly how much throttle you will have to apply to get it to do so... the way i do it on gravel is to come into the turn at good speed but very low in the gear... you may have to punch the gas a little sooner if using a turbo, but i usuall punch the gas either just before or at the same time as the brake...so that as soon as your ass end starts sliding out that you have enough power on hand to pull through the curve...too much gas and you'll 360 too little and you'll just slide sideways and take the ditch... with a turbo you will have to become accustomed to how long it takes your charger to "spool" as a leap in power during the middle of a slide would also probably make you 360... oh and by the way adhering to the u play u pay principle. there is a very good chance(almost definite) that your car will receive damage, even if you stick to pavement... it's a costly hobby... but isn't everything that fun... as you may have picked up I love this stuff so feel free to Holla!



more power is great especially if you only wanna run in 2nd... but being light weight and rpm's may get you just as far....and secondly are you gonna have to put headers on to allow passage of the amount of air flow/exhaust produced while running a turbo?

You'll definately need to have a set of headers, then build all of the piping for the turbo. Is it going to be intercooled?

Sliding on gravel is second nature to me. Just sorta powerbrake it into the corner, then use your throttle to ride it out. It works better in a manual, but can be done with a auto. You'll definately will need to run the car in 2nd gear to keep the tranny from shifting into OD.

IMO I think drifting is stupid...but that's my opinion. Talk about a waste of tires. But each to there own..

Go to cardomain.com they should have a bunch of fly cars to give you some good ideas.

This is also a bad ass video Drift King

No. I won't have headers on because I'll have a turbo manifold onto which I'll mount on the turbo and the wastegate.

I have a front mount intercooler for it...have bought the turbo..blow off valve...

all i need is to spend another grand on the manifold, gauges, MAF sensor, fuel mgmt piggyback system, down pipe, what else.... turbo timer... wastegate...

This really is going to be an expensive hobby eh?

I guess we all have our vices...



Hubinette is pretty good..but the real drift kings are Japanese. Ken Nomura... Kazama etc...

The sport isn't as popular as it is in Japan.



Most beginner and amateur drfiters use used tires when drifting. Damage to the rims and the body is ALWAYS present..so most people take their bumpers and rims off and put steelies on.

I have about a dozen used tires that my brother has been saving up to use as drift spares.

I see that your into tractor pulls and demo derbys. Haha. I dunno dude... pulling weight and running into other cars don't sound that much more exciting than drifting.

Like you said...to each his own...

Best tips i can give for drifting is get yourself a really supportive seat, eg: Recaro. and at least 300 Hp. I found its difficult enough doing burnouts using well setup push pat controles. With good HP you can use the throtle to angle and Steer your car. I love gravel, its much more forgiving and takes far less HP. I had the back of my Subaru hanging out today. Being a quad doesnt help. I dont use a spinner so i try to keep it under full lock.

BTW Autos are great, stronger back brakes help with turning a car into a slide. Example my 300 Hp V8 3 speed auto would smoke 1 through 2nd and redline at 105Mph. "Cable tied the button on the shifter went to change to 3rd slipped into reverse one day" (scarey)

That's a good point. What's important in track cars is not necessarily the horsepower but rather the power to weight ratio. The single cam KA engine that comes in my car is rated at like 90 horses... After the turbo setup, improved MAF, fuel pump/ injectors, ECU tuning...i would bet the car will get close to 300 horses at the rear wheels. Anything more than that, I'm going to have to replace the pistons and rods with forged ones....too expensive. At least the car's light, eh?

Subaru is good for rallying..but not necessarily drifting. AWD no friend to going sideways. That's why all the awd skylines have rwd conversions.

As for the Recaros...again...too expensive..haha...all i need is a good racing seat with a four or five point harness... Recaro..Sparco...Bride...etc...all great seats..but I don't feel like spending two grand on seats when the car was only 600.

Right now, I'm still just buying parts for the turbo kit. Then i'll slap it all on. Oh yeah..my brother found this dude that rebuilds KA engines so I just went ahead and bought a totally rebuilt engine for 300 bux. Guess it'll save me a couple bucks down the road... I'll keep you guys posted for more.

I used to do what I'll call "low-power" drifting a little...gravel roads and mountain road switchbacks pre-injury. My crazy teenage days. I wasn't trying to race or anything, just love curves. I had a little honda civic 5-speed front-wheel drive...don't know why rear-wheel is required. The few short months I had a rear-wheel drive car I 360'd over nothing...not even a right angle turn. Traded it in as soon as I found something decent.

I call it "low power" drifting because I didn't use the handbrake. Mine was basically just (just...) controlled sliding. Push the tire traction just past the point of gripping, control with throttle and steering.

Rear rear drive is a must in order to maintain a drift. Drifting is basically oversteering on all turns. Sure you can slide with a fwd, but once you slide, you're just hoping you won't run into anything before you fully stop. RWD is good because there IS throttle control. If you step on it with a front wheel while sliding, your tires are going to grip and you'll wind up understeering.

Real good drifters can control almost all aspects of the turning...angle, speed..and can change these DURING drifting (impossible to do with a FWD).

Can you do drifting using hand controls? I just don't see it happening, unless you are using your cruise control for the speed. Enlighten Me. In my younger days, I did road racing with a 240 ZX. Oh I am telling my age...Oops. Very interested in how you plan to drift using handcontrols.
Califanna

If you read the first post, I wrote that I'm planning to put it in second gear at all times and use hand controls for throttle and use only one hand to steer. It will definitely be extremely difficult to drift..because ALL drift cars are manuals... but we'll see.

Cruise control doesn't do anything because you have to always control and change throttle position.

not sure how you would get on trying to lock the rear wheels with an auto, whether it would damage the transmission etc but to save having to take your hand off the steering wheel to apply the handbrake you could do what I have in my off roader (i have fiddle brakes) and on thje end of your hand controls have a button, that actuates a pneumatice ram wich operates the handbrake (parking brake or whatever you guys call them over there). you may also find that you won't be able to keep a slide goind in the dry in just second. I used to drift a bmw (just messing about) 325i and a lt of the time i was in 3rd, but occaionally down into second.

alternatively drift somewhere that is wet, or on grass etc? not really much help to enter comps though.


good luck with it I say. there was a tuning mag over here that had a write up of a drift car being built for a para on hand controls

Tried drifting a few times , but kept killing auto boxes , no matter how much I strengthened them they broke , really had to trow the car into corners at really high speed to get it to drift right , not for the faint hearted .
A quad in Australia does some drifting in a Holden Monaro (pontiac GTO) with a twin turbo LS2 (about 860 hp or almost 1000 with the boost turned up ) he had to upgrade from a 4L60 trans to a 4L80 trans and custom trans ECU , he uses a custom radial hand control (forward for brakes , down for throttle ) modified so it can be pulled back to activate a hydraulic E brake .
He Has spent over $140,000 aus on modifications so far and only drifts 2 -3 times a year , I guess he's one of the lucky ones with a rich dad .LOL

Wow...that's real hard core... twin turbo LS2...that's a little too much power.

The thing with having that much horsepower is that unless you have slicks on, you can't put down that power on the ground. I've been told by a lot of drifters that if you have more than 450, 500 horses, it's real easy to spin the wheels and slide the car.

My goal for my car is right at around 270 horses. Anything more than that, I'd have to beef up the internals...forged pistons/rods...etc... and that's way too much money.

My brother is finishing up the wiring for an engine swap that we did...it's taking some time, however.

I have my eyes on a 1991 Ford Mustang...



This picture is of a coupe.

My brother's mechanic's buddy is selling a pretty beat up 91 mustang 5.0 for 500 dollars. The engine is not in the car, but it's rebuilt and it's included in the price.

I'm very tempted. The Nissan (once I put the suspension in) will be too low for me to get in and out very easily, so I'm thinking that the Mustang might actually suit me better.

My son used to have a 80 something ( I am old, I forget things ) Datsun ( powered by Nissan as its back end said ) 280 ZX, straight 6, KICK ARSE, go fast car lol, yadda. Yeah uh, drifted quite by mistake, lil miss leadfoot, one night.

Now I can do it in most any car that is at least a 6 cyl! I do not recommend it on Hwy 1, in my neck of the woods.

There is never too much power.

5.0 Mustang, not many mustangs in Aus but there are plenty of tough 5.0 litre Fords, Finding an Auto to handle big HP isnt an issue when it comes to a V8, common practice in drag racing for autos to be handling large horsepower and the enormous energy of getting the power down on a sticky track.

No turbo lag eliminating the need to pop the clutch to get the blower spinning. Choose the right cam combination and you have the tourque when you want, there are plenty of options with stall converers too.

Only downside is the weight ratio and handling. Go the Nissan for go-kart handling. Below is a guy who has both, Chev powered Japper v Monaro.
Khudar Elhaouli
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3UM7nbQ1c0

Sounds Sweet
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBHv1a-z9kY&feature=related

Hi guys,

Drifting here is really popular and most people seem to use 6 cylinder turbo skylines or sylvias because of their great power to weight ratio. One enemy of an auto transmission is heat so fit a really good transmission cooler even if you are using a standard vehicle. There is a game on Playstation you can do drifting on. I am not saying to do that instead of the real thing but it could give you an idea of the techniques if you haven't seen it before. Perhaps try going down to a drift meeting, someone may be good enough to give you a ride. Slick tyres on a wet track or standard tyres on wet grass will help you drift without needing huge horsepower. Make sure you have a helmet at least and someone to advise you on safety. I went for a ride in a V8 Supercar a few years ago and the brakes failed at 250kph at the end of the back straight. Things go real bad real fast at speed, especially for novices. Rear wheel drive is best for it as otherwise you are really only sliding.

http://www.performancecar.co.nz/events/nz-...-series/nzdrift

You're in New Zealand?

Skylines are Sylvias are at such premium here in the states. Everyone and they're mama's got SR20s but those RBs and more importantly RB parts are so hard to come by.

Oh, I'm not new to the drifting scene by any means. A lot of guys mod their s13 or s14s with a turbo KA or an SR20..or some crazy mofos would put a LS1 in their 240. A lot of power really isn't needed for drifting. But I would need to weld my differential to have it slide easier. I've ridden in some crazy cars.

Expensive hobby though... haha

Aint it fun.

Yes, I am in Auckland. I did see someone drifting a Toyota echo once. Over here Skylines are a dime a dozen. You can pick one up for a couple of thousand NZ dollars. (about $1300 US at todays exchange rate) Most of the cars in New Zealand came in second hand from Japan at some stage. Makes them nice and cheap (steering wheel on the right though) but depreciation is a killer. Hot bits for them are always expensive or stolen though, unfortunately. I saw a RX7 with a 350 and high rise a few months back. I used to be into US V8's but prefer a good 4 valve lexus V8 now or even better a nice 6 or 4. Nice and light and won't put your balance out too much like a big heavy American block stuck in front like an anchor. Sorry for not getting back sooner, only just stumbled back on this post.

I have a Conquest TSI that I swapped a built Chevy 355 into. I also put a 175 shot of gas on top for use at the drag strip. I took it to the battle of the imports they have at a local 1/4 mile strip. My friends would push it through the staging lanes as they advanced and when the guy motioned me to come forward to the burnout pit, I would fire it up. You shoulda seen the looks on the faces of the guys I lined up against. It was sidepiped with glass packs. Talk about bad!!!

High enough horsepower, proper alignment, and proper tire selection (usually slightly softer compound on front than on back) on a FWD WILL drift. The other big concern with FWD drifting is technique. Knowing when to shift (NEVER in the turn.), when to apply throttle or hand brake, and LOTS of practice on a flat, open space makes more difference than a HP rating alone. I used to drift a 2002 Eclipse GS that was on Eibach coilovers running a DOHC swap and turbo, The transmissions don't hold up in them tho, but a custom one will work great. Also, removal of all inner panels and strengthening of the chassis is a must. AWD will drift as well. Again, it is all about the setup and the driver. A locked rear diff and a 1.5 way front helical limited slip on an Evo with the proper alignment and override of the traction control will drift in ways I couldn't believe til I saw it. There is one in Dallas that was built by automotive engineering students as a project for school...

Some good information. But when fwd's are sliding...it's not drifting...it's ASS-SLIDING. You say FWD drifting is all technique..but I can't think of a way you can drift with a fwd then just to e-brake...

Are you telling me you can drift in and out of turns continuously with a FWD? You might get ONE good slide with the e-brake and then understeer your way all the way to the wall. Same with AWD, you'll get too much understeer to get good CONSECUTIVE drifts.

Maybe it's a problem of our differing opinions on the definition of the sport of drifting. I'm just saying any box with wheels can slide..but to drift, you really have to be able to do it more than once consecutively.

Long Drift

If you can do this with a front wheel drive or an all wheel drive vehicle...you deserve a NOBEL.

and just in case...all of the Skylines, WRXs, EVOs you seen drifting...they have ALL been changed to RWD.

Prove me wrong.

Most people where I live drift with 240sx with SR20s. RBs are too hard to come by and way too expensive. Over-night parts from japan can cost a fortune. Not many AE86s in the east coast... though there's a turbo M3 that rips the I-85 occasionally.

It is an expensive hobby. I am putting it on a moratorium until I finish pharmacy school.

Until then...I did this to my car.

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22s on a lowered Honda Element.

Hi Yong,
update on the prices us Kiwis pay for 2 door Japanese sports cars. I just sold a 1993 Sylvia with less than 60000miles on behalf of someone else for NZ$2500 (around 1450 US dollars) and it was mint. Even had a sports exhaust, performance shocks, strut brace and smaller momo steering wheel. Jealous much bro? You should consider a move downunder.

oh my gosh...a right hand drive silvia like you mentioned with an sr20det would sell for AT LEAST 10,000 USD with only 60k miles. That is too unfair.

Before my injury, I was in the officer program for the US Marine Corps and I was going to be stationed in Okinawa, Japan. What a bummer.... if that would have been the case, I could have bought a real silvia or a skyline for not too much and then spend a FORTUNE getting it shipped back to the US..but it still would have been cheaper than to buy it over here.

Too jealous.

Do you have any pictures? I would LOVE to see them.

I had read somewhere that Senator John McCain's wife and one of his sons (not sure which one) are team drifters. If I were to slide across the road like that with my mom in the car, she would have slapped me silly!
Have fun!
~Stella

Only in corporate sponsored drifting is it normal to see RWD conversions on AWDs. That guy wasn't even hitting apexes very well. Here is an AWD drifting in the mountains.

Impreza AWD Drift

Don't have to drift every turn all the time, but I guess that's what sells tickets. As for the FWD, I have an arrest record and police reports if you would like to visit with the cops. As for corporate sponsored drifting, you can watch Rhys Millen teach the cast of 2 Fast, 2 Furious to drift in a 2G DSM GST on the special features. Also, look at rally EVOs. Those guys are AWD, and they can drift all day if they want. Watch some of their test footage on the web. Just because the sellouts all went to RWD, doesn't mean it can't be done with AWD or FWD.

Jax,

I don't think you really know what the sport of drifting is. Rally cars sliding during a real steep turn once won't win drift events. I saw your youtube and saw the RS drifting a tight curve. But then I also saw him lose momentum and fail to connect with a second drift.

Watch some LONG DRIFT videos on youtube and judge for yourself if the AWD really counts as a drift. Look at some D1 drift videos. Even Rhys Millen drifts with a RWD GTO.

As for FWD... you still haven't given me proof. I used to have a Prelude Type SH and i would slide in the parking pulling my e-brake. Sliding yes...drifting??..i think not.

More than one consecutive turn. Okay?

Here it is after a lot of playing around with file size. It's a nice car just no hand controls which would have cost the price of the car. It actually had 80000 miles on it (117000kms) as I converted it wrong... I agree about the drifting vs sliding thing. Here is an example of some New Zealand drifters on Youtube and as far as I know (in my limited knowledge of the sport) the object is to keep your car as sideways as you can including along the straights as well as around the corners which is what you get points for. The rally car in the previous clip was just doing the ocasional slide and could have done with two or three times the power. As the handbrake has to be used to get or keep the car sliding, 4WD wouldn't really be as good as RWD or even FWD in drifting in my opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xBU4dhn3nY...7DE&index=2

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Just found this on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaMN0gNTXHw&NR=1 and it looks like an ok substitute to real drifting. Not too expensive.

slow, looks like you got yourself an s13 coupe. that is so nice... prices are so jacked here in the US that just the headlights, fenders, and front bumper cover, and your hood would be at least 1500 USD. Wow...i'm so jealous...

maybe i should plan a trip to new Zealand sometime...

Pre-injury I was ALL into drifting. In between SCCA Solo-II sessions I was up in JustDrift and REV Motorsports stuff at Buttowillow and Willowsprings Raceway. Heres a pic of my old Mazdaspeed MX-5 I used to drive pre-injury, and my new car for post injury driving (I <3 SMG trans! )

P.S. If the sliding wheels aren't being powered it's sliding. If they are it's drifting.



annnd a crappy picture of my new car.
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THANK YOU! That's what I've been trying to say all this time.

As for an update... I'm going to need about 4000USD to have SR20DET engine professionally installed in my car with automatic transmission. I have about 2 grand... but I'm saving that up for a rainy day.

What an expensive hobby. I'll have my element paid for in 24 months...so once that's done i'll have some moolah.

A stock sr20det will give me about 210~230 rwhp (rear wheel horse power)... upgraded fuel injectors, fuel pump, forged pistons and rods will allow me to turn up the boost and give me about 300 rwhp. I'm so excited...but i think it's going to take some serious time...

I'm already planning on a wide body kit for the s13... racing seats... 17x9 17x10 rims.. and a fresh coat of paint. I think it'll be about 10k spent on the car once i'm done.

10 inch rims? Are you going super stretched style? That's a lot of wheel/rubber for a 300 rwhp S13! I nearly bought an S14 with an S14.5 set of body updates and the S15 frontend in Honda Championship White. was beautiful. I was going to throw a 2jz-gte with an american auto 3 speed drag style trans and run 11's all day with a turbo upgrade. 2JZ's are so mean! Either way, sounds neat. Going slideways is a TON of fun. Problem i'm having with the M3 is that when I see lateral G's my legs want to spasm. Will be even worse when I switch to Tein Super Street Pillowball mount Coilovers! Worse in a good and bad way, haha

As for me, I am slowly buying all the V-CSL and GT-R parts for the M3 from Australia/Germany. Big expensive ordeal but who doesn't want a car that looks like a GTR M3?

By the way, ever seen this drift video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bSHYUGzmwU

That was awesome, good to see how it is done with hand controls. I have trouble with one lever and a steering wheel, don't know how he does it!

yes i have. unfortunately...without corporate sponsorship, adapting a car to have manual hand contrls would be too expensive.

pretty cool tho, eh?

slow,

the 10 in rears are just for show anyhow...most people use drift spares (10~15 dollar used tires mounted on 15 inch steelies) when actually drifting. and by most people..i mean those of us who don't have a contract with bfgoodrich.. haha

but i'm surprised you know about the stretched look. impressive. once i get those rims..i would put probably 215s on them... i have a set of rims that are 15 x 8s and have 195s on them...

check this out: tire stretch

I was in the JDM scene for many years. The wheels on the back of my miata in that picture are Volk TE-37 gravels off of my EJ6 93 civic coupe with B16B and Toda everything

Not sure about elsewhere in the U.S. but at drift comps here in CA spares are usually only suitable for the lesser powered crew, like the 86's and NA miatas. Most people here run cheapish Kosei's. I ran a mix of Volks and Racing Hart Mazdaspeeds

As for a 215 on a ten, that will DEFINETLY get you the stretched look. Hell I have 245's on the back of my 10's on my M3 and I think they are too stretched!
As for adapting a manual , have you read anything about Rediauto or Guido Simplex? They have systems for para's to actively use a 5 or 6 speed. Thats why I like my SMG, only mod I had to do to make it accessible for me besides the menox controls for gas and brake was rewire a button so I could have both up and down shift paddles on the same side. No more heel-toeing , but hell the ECU does that for me!

P.S. I used to mount tires with ether like that when I worked at Honda. Haha.

You know, i was just curious about something. With an automatic how are you going to reliably disrupt the rearend? Rely on inertial and kansei stuff or are you going to figure out a way to throw it in neutral to use the e-brake? Just a question.

welded rear differential... a lot of underpowered 240sx's have their two rear wheels locked so that they spin at the same rpm. although this is one of the cheapest ways of starting a drift (and you go through tires like babies do diapers)... because i can't have clutch control...welded diff would be one of the few ways i can initiate a drift. it just means i have to be careful when street driving because any hard throttle on the turn is always a possible drift

Ever driven a car with a real aggressive LSD or welded diff anywhere but a track? I remember trying to do figure eights in a mall parking lot with a miata and a welded set of spider gears. Absolutely miserable. Does add a TON to driftability though, and the Element is for daily driving

haha..miata's are fun... i've never driven a car with a welded diff...but i've ridden in a couple..on a drift track and on the road...

You're right...it is dangerous..but lots of people in my neck of the woods are known to drive it on the streets. There are a whole bunch of 17~18 year old high school kids that have 240sx's with welded diff as their daily driver. Just have to be VERY VERY careful on turns...

I can't wait until I make some real money so that I can start this at full speed... i've just been buying little things for the turbo set up... but still have a ways to go.

Good to hear the fire for drifting is still burning for you.

Locked diffs can be a hassle to drive unless your on the throttle. They break axels too, usualy at times when you least expect, tight slow turns parking etc. Good LSD is the way but it does cost.

Brake bias to the rear and compression will get your angles, it doesnt take much to unload ther rear to get sliding. A well built auto wont stall your engine.

There are plenty of ways to do things and opinions are like assholes. It all comes down to Cashflow and how bad you want to do it & what extent.

I look foward to seeing you smoking through your first set of corners.

Sounds like something i'd have typed!

Yeah I concur on the welded diff thing for sure. Hell even Kaaz and Cusco 2-2.5 LSDs are clunky as hell!

Compression and liftoff stuff is your bread and butter for sure, but the reason I asked is because in all my experiences in order to get a good showy angle i'd always have to either shiftlock, clutch kick, or e-brake. Small angle fast drifts are impressive to drivers, but big showy drifts are impressive to everyone

Project car update.

I bought 5-lug hubs to change my s13 from a 4 lug to a 5 lug. I still need to find hubs for the front and new rotors and calipers..

But these would allow me some CRAZY wheel and tire fitments.

I bought these knock-off mustang cobra rims from a buddy and painted them. They were red with glitters at first but i changed to flat black with a burnt orange lip.



Oh yeah. I forgot to mention that these are 17x9s front and 17x10.5 rears. That's pretty wide for a 240... but I'm going to put skinny tires and stretch the HECK out of them.

Next stop. COILOVERS!

My brother is taking the coilovers off of his S13 coupe and putting it on my hatch. Then once I save up enough for a professional SR20 swap... then i'll be putting 250 to the wheels EASY