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monkeyman
Hi everyone,

I'm new here although been in my chair for almost 15 (oh doesn't time fly when you're having fun!)

Seriously!

I'm looking for an off road, manual chair and after much research have narrowed it down to the Top End All Terrain Crossfire. Does any one have one of these chairs or can offer any un-bias feedback on its design, use, just anything I should be aware of really?

Or has any one got any advice on other chairs to consider? NOT a Trekinetic though I test drove one the other day at a local dealers and had major reservations about the design and use.

One of my main concerns was how to get up kerbs (I have read other posts about the Trekinetic but here's my bit). The dealer suggested two ways:

Method A: Go up forward : to do this you must recline the seat as far back as it goes (10-15 secs of , messing around), then when seated in this reclining position, and I really do mean reclining, I felt so laid back I could almost fall asleep, that is if I could ignore the impending "I'm gonna fall out the back of this thing" feeling! (although I have to say in it's defence I don't think you could fall out the back easily). Anyway once you have adopted this laid back stance, approach the kerb forwards and bump up it. However I question that even in this laid back position the footplate still only had 2 inches of clearance so anything over that would hit the footplate! ahh I was told the footplate will push back out of the way if this happens. She actually said this like it was a good thing!

Ahhh. (or should that be Aggrhh!) but my feet will then fall off and either catch against the kerb or drag along the floor, neither a prospect I looked forward too. A puzzled look and then realisation that this wasn't such a great "feature" and then!

Method B: Go up backwards : for larger kerbs you spin round, reverse up, lean forward on the footrest (which has little wheels to facilitate this), raising the rear castor then do a kind of reverse wheelie and place the castor up on the pavement and bump the front wheels up. Simple! Well not compared to my normal technique which goes along the lines of:

Small kerb : wheelie to raise front castors and bump back wheels up
Big kerb : wheelie to raise front castors "CHARGE".. and bump back wheels up (now that's what I call simple J)

Anyway never one to back down from a challenge I thought I give it a go.

However before facing possible imminent death (worst case scenario) or at a minimum a bit of a struggle attempting this new technique, I thought I'd give it a dry run in the shop, this is how it went.

I spun round (fine), leant forward ("Christ these things tip easy when you lean forwards" I thought). Now in reverse wheelie mode I went to move backwards, it was at this point that I noticed a fundamental flaw in the design, the footrest doesn't lock when extended. This resulted in the footrest pushing back up into the frame and me performing a spectacular faceplant in the middle of the dealership. "Oh are you OK, that shouldn't of happened" the sales women said "what did you do".

Now I proceed to explain in no uncertain terms exactly what I did, that is I did exactly what I was instructed to do. I then proceeded to say the chair must be faulty as the footrest folded in under pressure. She stated that she didn't think that the footrest locked but would contact the designer (Mr Trekinetic) there and then. She did this and handed the phone over to me and I proceeded to explain what happened.

I was informed that I must of put too much pressure on the footplate and that's what caused it to retract.

I said surely it should have a locking mechanism to prevent this, but he stated only to certain extent. I was as little surprised at this comment and asked if he'd be at the Mobility roadshow in a couple of weeks (this happened about 3 weeks ago now and the Mobility roadshow has come and gone), he said yes and I said that I'd come and see him then to discuss this matter. To be honest I thought the dealer couldn't have had the chair set up correctly for the footrest to collapse so easily, either that or the chair had been installed with some sort of Russian roulette footrest i.e. you're never sure when it'll go off! (or should that be collapse).

Forward to the Mobility show!

I went to the Trekinetic stall and was greeted by a lady (able-bodied) salesperson/demonstrator. Before sharing my experience I ask here to demonstrate how to negotiate kerbs.

'ahhh well there's 2 methods' and she proceeded to explain those methods mentioned earlier.

'You can approach a kerb forwards and bump',
Sorry to interrupt 'What about the footrest' I said
'What about it' She asked
'Well it hangs too low to really exploit this method'
'You can push it out the way using your heels' Can you spot the fundamental floor with this suggestion? I'm sure you can but just to re-iterate she was saying I can use my legs (heels)'¦ let's stop there, that why I use a bloody wheelchair isn't it! Cause I can't use my legs!!!! We continued.
'Sorry I can do what'
'Use your heels to push'
I interrupt 'I can what, sorry'
'Use your heels' slightly annoyed.
I interrupt again 'No I can't do that'
'Why' she asked, ignorant to her ignorance!
'Because I can't move my legs' I state.
'Oh'¦. Well you can reach down and pull the footrest up with your hand'
'and then how do I move forward' I replied.
She stopped and then said (and this is a classic so hold on)
'I don't mean any offence but maybe you're too disabled to use the product, there is always a proportion of people who won't be able to use equipment, we can't accommodate for everyone'

'Hold up a minute' I'd heard enough of her ignorant, un-educated talk 'although I agree with part of your statement that all equipment will not suit everyone, never in my 15 years of being a wheelchair user have I ever been called 'too' disabled to use a wheelchair!'

I'll spare you the entire rant but basically I stated that every dealer I have purchased chairs from has always bent over backwards trying to make sure they work as best as possible for my needs, never, ever have I had someone write me off like this before! Then when I suggested that she is segregating her market to maybe 20% of users (those that use chairs but still have some use of their legs) she became even more defensive stating that 'all their customers are very satisfied with the product'.

It was at this point that Mr Trekinetic (Mike I think his name was) intervened.

Now to be honest he listened to all my concerns and comments and attempted to answer my questions but did have difficultly with responding on how to use the chair when negotiating kerbs. He responded with the same comments as his female colleague, explaining the two methods. I pointed out the difficulties with these methods and instead of arguing he invited me to come along to the show on the following day as a daily user of the Trekinetic will be demonstrating his techniques. Although I would have been very interested in seeing this I had to politely decline his offer as I didn't fancy the 200 mile round trip to the show again the following day!

You may think I hate Trekinetic and the product but I don't.

I would have seriously considered it if someone could have answered my concerns about the product, but I'm sorry to say they didn't. Mike really did try to assist (unlike his female counterpart who I found quite argumentative and dismissive when I was attempting to provide constructive criticism!) and he also invited me back for the demo the following day (but I couldn't return, see earlier comment). I would have loved to see how an everyday wheelchair user has adapted and created techniques to use the Trekinetic as an everyday (something in all fairness the product wasn't initially designed to do) chair.

OK summary:

Positives

Styling '“ looks great, if you haven't seen it in the flesh then you can't appreciate the looks of this thing.
Adjustable Camber bar '“ many chairs have this feature now (I have owned 3 variations myself) but none are as simple to use and versatile as this one, 0 to 24 degrees at the twist of a grip on the camber bar, fantastic!
Disc brakes '“ increase the weight and limit wheel choice but guarantee you won't have any wet tyre slippage, these things can hold back a rhino (Ok maybe not but they do hold really well). Again not so important in an everyday chair but when tyres are muddy/wet/etc these type of brakes work great.

Negatives

Footplate '“ retracts when too much pressure is applied (see above description for details)
Fixed seat size '“ there is only 1 seat size available, it wasn't a problem for me but for those who require a larger or smaller seat could have problems.

Limited cushion choice '“ the seat is one piece moulded carbon fibre, the back of which is curved. This curved seat presents problems with cushion choice as the vast majority (all?) cushions that I know of are rectangular. Not for those who require a pressure-relieving cushion or are susceptible to pressure sores me thinks?

Seating position '“ OK some people love the seating position, I personally know someone who says it's the most comfortable chair he's sat in (but he won't purchase one due to footplate issue, see above). However I found it to be to laid back for my liking and didn't feel it supported me correctly, and this is where the problem lies, due to the seat being one piece moulded carbon fibre there is very little adjustment available, especially when compared to tension adjustable canvas backrests as found on a lot of modern chairs. I was advised that a lumber support could be inserted or some users have created custom foam inserts, but this all seems a little too much hassle and an after thought instead of proper design. Again if it fits you, you'll love it, if it doesn't don't expect it to be the most comfortable of chairs and be prepared to lump it because the adjustments you can make are very limited!

Fixed Push Handles '“ I never have these fitted but completely understand that for some users these are a necessity. In either case these should be detachable, a bracket could easily be placed on the rear of the backrest for these to slot in and out. Again sometimes you really don't want them, especially when in crowded areas on your own as some ignorant individuals feel its there god given right to use them if they are fitted (I speak from experience as I had these fitted on some of my earlier chairs '“ and I used to erupt if this happened!!!)

Jury is out (I can't decide on these features)

Rolling characteristics '“ the rear castor is weird'¦ although I suspect this is something you get used to. In my (all be it limited) test drive I just couldn't get used to it. Apparently to prevent castor flutter the rear castor locks in the forward position when travelling in a straight line. The problem with this is that a semi-forceful push is require on one of the wheels in order to get it out of the locked position. Too much force can result in the castor abruptly 'unlocking' and 180-degree spin'¦ fun yes but not something I'd like to do every day. Again being honest I think this was a lack of my skills in using the chair and sure that in time this characteristic would be second nature and adaptable too.

Attachable umbrella '“ oh how I laughed when the dealer attempted to justify purchasing the chair because of this 'wonderfully inventive' feature LOL

Then on reflection I could see the sense in this '“ I've been out walking the dog and got caught in an unexpected shower, soaked to the skin pushing home, if only I had an umbrella'¦.
Then again it's not for me, why? The same reason I wouldn't be caught dead in one of those maggot suits (you know the ones, the all-in-one suits made for wheelchair users, they look like body bags with arms and hole for your face) it just ain't for me, I'd much rather get soaking wet and catch the Flu, then wear one of them'¦ vanity is a dangerous thing!

OK I think that's enough of my time, gotta get back and do some real work.
Again if there are any individuals out there who has a Top End All Terrain Crossfire and has any pointers on this chair it'd be much appreciated. And if anyone has anything to add to my Trekinetic rant/review then I'd love to here your comments.

One final point '“ the two main wheelchair dealers (both owned and run by wheelchair users) where I live decided not to stock the Trekinetic due to some of its current limitations. The dealer that I had to visit to actually test drive the chair is local too but I have never used them before as not one of their staff is disabled, this goes against my own rules'¦ hell you wouldn't take driving lessons from someone who hasn't passed there test would you! That is how desperate I was to try this chair and I really wanted it to work for me, unfortunately it didn't L

I still believe the Trekinetic has real potential but, for the time being at least, I'll stick to conventional chair design, £3000 is just too much money to risk on something that I believe still requires fine-tuning and certain 'flaws' ironed out. Taking a quote from Trekinetic literature 'Trekinetic operate a policy of continuous development. Specification may be substituted or upgraded without notice'.

I'm all for continuous development but not at my cost'¦ let me know when a truly polished/finished product is ready and I'll be first in the queue to give it another test drive.
Rangeroverp38
Hello My Name is Steve Rolfe , T8 spinal since 93, I read your report and thought it was very good indeed, Im a Designer and the first thing I noticed when I saw the chair was how do you back wheel balance, something that i do all the time , kerbs , getting out of awkward spots you name it , the chair look like a students attempt to be cleaver without actually looking at the problems of the every day active user , has this guy ever sat in the chair and used it ?

And as for the Umbrella , well id rather get pissed on than look like Mary Poppins.

Back wheel Balance is something they teach people at stoke Mandeville , has this chap ever talked to a physio ?

Best Regards Steve
monkeyman
QUOTE (Rangeroverp38 @ Jul 10 2008, 01:46 AM) *
Hello My Name is Steve Rolfe , T8 spinal since 93, I read your report and thought it was very good indeed, Im a Designer and the first thing I noticed when I saw the chair was how do you back wheel balance, something that i do all the time , kerbs , getting out of awkward spots you name it , the chair look like a students attempt to be cleaver without actually looking at the problems of the every day active user , has this guy ever sat in the chair and used it ?

And as for the Umbrella , well id rather get pissed on than look like Mary Poppins.

Back wheel Balance is something they teach people at stoke Mandeville , has this chap ever talked to a physio ?

Best Regards Steve


Hi Steve, glad someone found this of interest/use. My friend has decided to purchase a Trekinetic and has said that i can borrow it to give it a more thorough test drive... however delivery time on them are 3 months at the moment so it won't be until mid-October, i find this quite incredible as in the Trekinetic literature it states their production facility is aiming to produce ten per week, have they really got 120 chairs on order? If so good luck to them, i must have really underestimated the user base (with £3000 burning a hole in their pocket) for this product.
With regards to back balancing - yeah that skill is out the window - however if the chair can do the same as a "normal" chair this isn't a bad thing in my eyes as this is a skill that takes time to master and even now i have the occassional crash n burn, not such a problem for me as i can transfer back into my chair but for those with less mobility any possible solution to this problem can only be a good thing.

Further to my previous rant/review... i had the pleasure of meeting a guy that uses the Trekinetic as his everyday chair at the beyond boundaries show a month or so ago. He says it has changed his life and couldn't fault the chair.... i asked him about how he found the footplate (see previous post for the problem i found) and he says he uses his legs to move it out the way when necessary. I then proceeded to ask him how he got the chair into his car.
"I put it in the boot and then get in" he said.
"Ah i can't do that, i would need to transfer into the car and then lift it in after me" i replied.
"mmm that could be tricky" at least he was honest.
So that for me definitely rules it out as an everyday chair but i'm still looking forward to borrowing my mates and giving it a good run off road... i think it could be fun!

For me tho (and going back to the orignal reason for this post), i have ordered a Top End Crossfire All Terrain, which i should take delivery at the end of August and i can't wait! Again if theres anyone out there with experience of this chair i'd love to hear there comments (good or bad).

Thanks for reading another prolonged post.

Cheers, Stevie
Steviewo
Hello monkeyman - I too read your post and found it very useful as I am intrigued by this chair but also have the same reservations as yourself and Steve with regard to kerbs etc.

Also the thing about getting it in the car. I read a quote somewhere from the designer of the chair, regarding getting it in the car where he said "is it such a bad thing if you have to go to the beach with your friends?" If this is the case then I think hes totally missed the point.

Although, to be fair I haven't seen one of these chairs in the flesh yet so don't want to pass judgement just yet without trying it.

Regards

Steve
monkeyman
Hi Steve,

What i plan on doing once i get my hands on my friends chair is taking some videos of me negotiating kerbs (up & down) so that yourself and others have a better idea exactly how this can be achieved, thats assuming i can without crashing too much!

I beleive that the manufacturer of these chairs should host such demo videos on his site so you can actually see how the chair works - something i'll suggest to him once i've done them maybe?

The transfering into a car scenario unsure.gif - thats a different kettle of fish entirely and i ain't willing to bash my car to bits attempting to develop a technique to get the chair in when to be honest i don't think this aspect of the chairs use was considered in the development stage!

Glad you found it interesting/helpful too Steve.

Cheers, Stevie
Steviewo
Oh that would be fantastic if you could post some videos of kerbs and things - that would be most useful providing you dont end up arse over tit! biggrin.gif
sigmunt
you can tell the guy who designed aint a wheelie from the size of it!
How do get through normal doorways in it?? Its absolutely mossive compared to my wheelchair.
russ1
To be fair to the guy it wasn't really designed to be a main use all day chair but to be a chair for use outside in off road conditions and it would seem that he's fulfilled that very well, that it's now crossed into being supplied for other uses seems testiment to it's sucess. The more I see the trekenetic the more I want one.

There are very obvious limitations especially in line with car transfers and less so in line with steps. Personally I'd be happy to stick it in the boot of the car and use my day chair to get in and out of the car changing into the trekenetic at my destination if I was travelling independently which is the exception rather than the rule when I need my offroad chair. The footplate thing obviously means leaning forward to pull it up with your hands to do steps but as someone who tends to avoid steps (can do them just not that confidently) in my normal chair anyway I know the need to do them is actually fairly limited and on the basis of using this chair as an off road chair I don't see this as a huge issue.

Biggest Issue I see is the width - at 28" it is very wide, not an issue outside but it really is only going to fit through the widest doorways. It should fit through pretty much any shop door though so it's not so wide as to be un-useable but it's going to be a squeeze in most residential properties, at least in the uk.

As for the umbrella, sorry but yes I would use it, watching junior playing soccer in the rain it'd be great. Wouldn't find me pushing around using it though.
monkeyman
Oh i can guarentee they'll be some crashes, but i probably won't share them tongue.gif

Used solely as an off-road chair i would agree that it is probably pretty good, however (and re-iterating Russ's point) due to the width of the thing don't even think about going to a country pub for a post push pint, you'd never get in!

I have to disagree that it's a testiment to it's success thats it crossed over to the GT3 model which is aimed at being an everyday chair... i think in it's current guise, with it's current limitations it just cannot work. I beleive this is more an attempt to pass the chair off as an everyday chair by fitting some slim wheels, the main reason to recoup some of the cost of developing the initial design. You cannot blame the guy for doing this as he is running a business but can it really be used as an everyday chair... i for one think not, but only time will tell.

I not knocking the guy for his innovation, i applaud some aspects of the design (see my first review) however i still feel it has some way to go before it's accepted by most... and a very, very long way to go before it can be used as an everyday chair for the majority of users.

Oh the umbrella... don't apologise Russ, everyone to their own. So thats a "Yes" (ish) from you and a definite "NO" from me.

Cheers, Stevie
qman
After contacting the trekinetic distributor a few months back i was please to get a call today saying he would drop in and show me the chair today. no mean feat given i live in a small town some 4-5 hours away from a large city.

after spending 15-20 minutes in the chair i picked myself up off the pavement and got back into my normal chair. yes thats right off the pavement.

during testing i was wheeling down a slightly sloping gravel car park enjoying the independent brakes. i hit a small bump and my legs jumped out and landed on the ground infront of the foot rest and caught causing me to bail out over the front as the foot rest rammed into my feet landing in a heap on the pavement.

after checking i was ok and hadnt broken my feet ( i was very worried) i asked the rep to get my chair out of the garage and bring it over.

so not a great end to my test in the chair. BTW i broke the front bar of the foot rest, OPPSS

the chair has some great characteristics, the best IMHO is the control downhill using the 2 brakes. it was harder to push up hill and IMHO did not offer greater ability over rough terrain.

It turns very easily, tracks poorly.

provides good support in the seat,

overall for me the useful characteristics did not outweigh the significant compromises for me. sorry, I really wanted to like it.
qman
saw the doctor today and havnt broken anything, appart from the wheelchair. LOL
JOHN-P
QUOTE (monkeyman @ Jun 19 2008, 09:17 AM) *
Hi everyone,

I'm new here although been in my chair for almost 15 (oh doesn't time fly when you're having fun!)
Seriously!

.............


very nice essae your mark is e- lack of professional and developement on the pro and cons how to over come these solution
cheers
john
monkeyman
Hi John,

If you don't like my opinion, one that comes from first hand experience in using the chair, i'm not guessing or pre-judging, i have used it on several occasions and i can categorically state that for me it would not work as an everyday chair. And, unfortunately i feel this would be the same for most other users (general opinion seems to reflect this).
However i truly do hope it works out for you, as you keep saying its a custom build so it might well do, most importantly i hope they've sorted out the width issue or you won't be going many places in it..... although i'm sure you've considered this when you scoped the design and build, didn't you?

Thanks for the E- grade, i never knew we graded topics or peoples opnions on this forum.... i'll look forward to returning the favour once i get a look at your custom build, in fact i can't wait!

Cheers, Steve
Black Sox
I've had one of these for a couple of months now. I'm a 13 year T5 SCI, so that gets out of the way the questions about moving the footplate with my heels and putting the chair in the boot of the car. So here's what I think, so far only. I have to stress that this is MY experience, not a sales pitch or technical review, just my experience.

I keep it at home and use it to go out of the house, with the dog clipped on. There is no way I could get in and out of the car from it, or take it apart and put it into the car. By myself, and that matters.

With the wheels in the "Mean" position, which means at extreme camber, it won't fit through most of the doors in my house. I can use it around the house with the wheels in the "Lean" position, which means no camber. It's also very comfortable; as somebody already said, it's the most comfortable wheelchair I've sat in.

Wheelies and kerbs

Kerbs are not an issue; any kerb low enough for me to negotiate on a wheelie in my RGK Hi-Lite, I can mount in the Trekinetic. My method is simple, and maybe it could be improved on, I'm open to suggestion. I simply get a bit of speed on and drive up the kerb. The footplate pushes back, bringing my feet safely with it. If I don't have enough momentum and I come to a stop halfway up the kerb, I can just push on the wheels. Because the big wheels are at the front, pushing harder on them mid-mount isn't a problem. (If I do that in the RGK, the physics dictate that the wheels will stay where they are and the chair will rotate over backwards.)

The only other time I use a wheelie, outdoors anyway, is to go down a kerb. In the Trekinetic, the centre of gravity is far enough behind the front axle that I can go (bump) down quite large drops without coming near the tipping point. It's maybe not quite as graceful or controlled-looking as a wheelie in the RGK, but it works.

Push handles

I haven't had pushing handles on a 'chair since my first one. When the Trekinetic arrived there were push handles supplied and I didn't fit them. They're an option, take them or leave them.

Umbrella

Everybody's first reaction to this is negative. I will say only this. There have been times I've been out in the rain, got soaked and taken 24 hours to feel warm again. This umbrella is an option, it sits in a bag underneath the chair. If it rains on you but you're too cool to be seen with the umbrella, fine. If it rains and you'd prefer to be dry, equally fine.

Rolling characteristics

The rear wheel is ever so slightly "locked" in a dead fore-and-aft position. To turn, you need to give it a bit more of a push one side or the other. To be honest, I've forgotten about it. It's no big deal.

Brakes

When ordering, there is a choice; you can have either a basic parking brake such as you might find on a standard wheelchair, it's either on or off. You can also have the "Dyna Brakes". These are drum (not disc) brakes that an be progressively operated to slow you down as well as act as a parking brake. I was reluctant to order them but the company told me that a lot of customers have them retro-fitted so I thought what the hell, it's only money. Having used them now, they do make sense. If you're going down a long hill or a steep one, controlling your speed by squeezing the pushing rims with your hands can be difficult after a bit. These Dyna Brakes have a lever outside each of your knees, which you pull back gently to operate the brake on that side. It does take some getting used to, but it works.

Looks/Character

This thing is different enough that my daughter asked me not to go anywhere in it with her. (Which is weird because she has no problem with me in my RGK. She's a teenager so maybe we'll just ignore that.) It is different and people do stare but so what. There will always be stares. It's usually genuine curiosity.

I, as a "boy with a toy", like things like that the seat is carbon fibre, and the rest of it is aero grade stainless or aluminium, that it is made by a Formula 1 engineer, that the milled aluminium pieces look good.

Most of all, I like that I can now leave the house with the dog clipped to the chair, go to the beach and "walk" along the beach for a couple of miles. On my own.

Overall verdict

For me, It's use is limited to either going out from the house already in it, or going somewhere in the car and bringing it, with someone else. Within those limits, I'm delighted I have it. It will not be the perfect-for-all chair that will do everything. Nothing will and you need to recognise that. It's a tool for a job, but a particularly fine tool for that job.
dangerousdave
Trekinetic
I saw a guy in one at a rally.
It does have it's problems. The frame needs strenghthening and its width needs shrinking.
We need differant wheelchairs as bi peds need differant shoes. So it's no good looking for a one chair does all answer. I have a 3 wheel tennis chair, a comfy chair for the house, a sports chair for general outdoors and a outdoor chair for my power wheel.
As my hands, arms and shoulders now suffer from repeat injuries, I can't push myself over rough ground anymore.
So my Power Trike Extra takes the strain. What with the changes I've done to it, its more like My Trike. To date there is only one incident of she didn't make it, and I had to call for help, and that was a bloody steap hill to a fort on Hadrians Wall, Homesteads.
There is only one problem I can't get over...........fences with no gates. Thinking of adding a chainsaw attachment.
Lastly.....it doesn't matter how we do it......just do it..........get out there ,be seen, enjoy the country side.....and it's pubs.
Oh and you pushers of wheelchairs.......remember to tip the guy on to the back wheels or...ouch
Yep it's even happened to me, laying prostrate on the ground thinking, I havn't had a beer yet.
russ1
QUOTE (Black Sox @ Oct 11 2009, 11:18 AM) *
I've had one of these for a couple of months now. I'm a 13 year T5 SCI, so that gets out of the way the questions about moving the footplate with my heels and putting the chair in the boot of the car. So here's what I think, so far only. I have to stress that this is MY experience, not a sales pitch or technical review, just my experience.

I keep it at home and use it to go out of the house, with the dog clipped on. There is no way I could get in and out of the car from it, or take it apart and put it into the car. By myself, and that matters.


I can do the transfer from the trekinetic to the drivers seat quite happily, it's a bit further than normal but not too bad. I've still not actually tried getting mine in and out of the car over myself myself while sat in the drivers seat yet, I tend to chuck it in the boot while in my main chair and then when I get where I am going get it out, transfer into it and throw the lightweight one into the boot.

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With the wheels in the "Mean" position, which means at extreme camber, it won't fit through most of the doors in my house. I can use it around the house with the wheels in the "Lean" position, which means no camber. It's also very comfortable; as somebody already said, it's the most comfortable wheelchair I've sat in.


So far the mean position seems to be a bit of a gimmick, in lean posn much better ground clearance and haven't really had a stability issue - may change as I challenge it a little more buy mine just stays in the lean position.

QUOTE
Wheelies and kerbs

Kerbs are not an issue; any kerb low enough for me to negotiate on a wheelie in my RGK Hi-Lite, I can mount in the Trekinetic. My method is simple, and maybe it could be improved on, I'm open to suggestion. I simply get a bit of speed on and drive up the kerb. The footplate pushes back, bringing my feet safely with it. If I don't have enough momentum and I come to a stop halfway up the kerb, I can just push on the wheels. Because the big wheels are at the front, pushing harder on them mid-mount isn't a problem. (If I do that in the RGK, the physics dictate that the wheels will stay where they are and the chair will rotate over backwards.)

The only other time I use a wheelie, outdoors anyway, is to go down a kerb. In the Trekinetic, the centre of gravity is far enough behind the front axle that I can go (bump) down quite large drops without coming near the tipping point. It's maybe not quite as graceful or controlled-looking as a wheelie in the RGK, but it works.

yep - my experience very simi;ar
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Push handles

I haven't had pushing handles on a 'chair since my first one. When the Trekinetic arrived there were push handles supplied and I didn't fit them. They're an option, take them or leave them.

got them - took them off smile.gif as you say take them or leave them
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Umbrella

Everybody's first reaction to this is negative. I will say only this. There have been times I've been out in the rain, got soaked and taken 24 hours to feel warm again. This umbrella is an option, it sits in a bag underneath the chair. If it rains on you but you're too cool to be seen with the umbrella, fine. If it rains and you'd prefer to be dry, equally fine.

After a very wet morning sat watching my son play football in the rain I'm now 100% convinced that whoever came up with the umbrella and it's mount is a genius smile.gif

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Rolling characteristics

The rear wheel is ever so slightly "locked" in a dead fore-and-aft position. To turn, you need to give it a bit more of a push one side or the other. To be honest, I've forgotten about it. It's no big deal.

Brakes

When ordering, there is a choice; you can have either a basic parking brake such as you might find on a standard wheelchair, it's either on or off. You can also have the "Dyna Brakes". These are drum (not disc) brakes that an be progressively operated to slow you down as well as act as a parking brake. I was reluctant to order them but the company told me that a lot of customers have them retro-fitted so I thought what the hell, it's only money. Having used them now, they do make sense. If you're going down a long hill or a steep one, controlling your speed by squeezing the pushing rims with your hands can be difficult after a bit. These Dyna Brakes have a lever outside each of your knees, which you pull back gently to operate the brake on that side. It does take some getting used to, but it works.


IMHO they're one of the best features and I really wouldn't recommend getting one without - especially given the push rims which will take the ends off your fingers if you try to use them to brake with - still working on that one but getting more used to always using the dyna brake.

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Looks/Character

This thing is different enough that my daughter asked me not to go anywhere in it with her. (Which is weird because she has no problem with me in my RGK. She's a teenager so maybe we'll just ignore that.) It is different and people do stare but so what. There will always be stares. It's usually genuine curiosity.

I, as a "boy with a toy", like things like that the seat is carbon fibre, and the rest of it is aero grade stainless or aluminium, that it is made by a Formula 1 engineer, that the milled aluminium pieces look good.

Again mirrors my experience - I love the look but my kids think it looks too much like a baby buggy, my daughter just won't go out with me in it if the handles are on smile.gif

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Most of all, I like that I can now leave the house with the dog clipped to the chair, go to the beach and "walk" along the beach for a couple of miles. On my own.

Overall verdict

For me, It's use is limited to either going out from the house already in it, or going somewhere in the car and bringing it, with someone else. Within those limits, I'm delighted I have it. It will not be the perfect-for-all chair that will do everything. Nothing will and you need to recognise that. It's a tool for a job, but a particularly fine tool for that job.


I definately like that I just push easily across wet soggy fields that I've always struggled across, it's not perfect but it is a good tool for the job it's designed for.
chairman
I had been looking at the Trekinetic for awhile on the web. I go to alot of outdoor festivals and parties. With the rough ground and terrible weather in england my old Chevron was a nightmare, the front wheels getting stuck in ruts etc. The thing that put me off was the price, i could never afford 1. Then on Ebay 1 day i saw 1 that had been used twice with a few extras, £1000 Buy it now, so i did!!
Going across fields is so much easiers, no getting stuck, with a friend to push the sturdy handles, even easier. The reclined seating postion is really comfy. I tried sand but couldn't manage it on my own, i sank and could n't move without a helper, although wet sand was easier. It does take some getting use to the handling. When going down hills its stable but touch 1 wheel and the thing spins completely round, which can be fun but also scary!!! Kerbs are quite tricky as you can't wheelie the chair, if the kerb is to high the footrests hit it. Indoors the wheels need to be in the most upright postition to get through my doorways, it is a squeeze and i cant get through some older doorways.
All in all i'm glad i bought mine but only because of the cheap price. I dont use it everyday, it's just not practical (getting it in my van alone is a nightmare) I use my Chevron daily but when i go to festivals and outdoor partys, i'm top dog!!
dangerousdave
I use my Chevron daily but when i go to festivals and outdoor partys, i'm top dog

As chairman says - Get out there, be seen, annoy, impress bi-peds and enjoy educating em

What you push is your choice
ADP-10-08-63
If i could turn back time, no trekinetic.

But big yes to top end crossfire all terrain.
pistol_pete
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If i could turn back time, no trekinetic.

But big yes to top end crossfire all terrain.

Have to agree with you ADP.
I like my trekinetic coz it's all I got, rough terrain wise, and my employer paid for it.
Right now I'm looking into one of those freewheel attachments with a set of chunky wheels. Just for ease of getting in and out of car and the attachment and spare set of wheels is easier to carry around in the boot.
When my personal injury case is settled I will be looking into a topend crossfire chair as they seem to be the most favoured option for outdoor chairs.
ADP-10-08-63
HI EVERY ONE
in regards to your question i spent an all full lot of money getting spinerdy spox wire wheels made along with satin finish powder coat of my choice

in regards to tyre i change mine to kenda kniption tyre 24" inch x 2.3"

these are a very good all round tyre

P.S. pictures of my chair are now on site under flame chair

thanks
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