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[Jackiefff]

I was having a little incontinence, today its gtten reallly bad, it seems everthing is going right through me. i wore a depends to bed last night and cathed at 12, woke up at 5 and it soaked through my depends and everything and i know its not because my bladder is too full.. and today over and over, i just went to the doctor but they didnt tell me anything, i have a lilttttle uti but ive had them before and it never caused incotinence like this! i just went to cath and scooted to the end of my chair and i just started going like a waterfall... on the floor, for the 2nd time today! and like i said not drinking too much and cathing as i usually do, i know ill have to see a uroligists but has anyone had anything like this? i am kind of getting worried... and plus its a pain washing my sheets, clothes and cushion over n over again

and i even doubled up on my oxybutin just a couple hours be4 cathing

[Ches]

Its probably just the Uti making your life hell. I go through similiar things, some days there is just no beating it! Doesnt matter how long you sit on the potty or in the shower.. the minute your clean, fresh and dry it happens again

SOMETIMES taking cranberry supplements.. commonly known as AZO's can help with the spazzing, but that's not a guarantee, even those things will fail you given the chance. Best thing is to get on those meds asap. I doubt your having any physical issues with your bladder.. its more than likely just the infection. If the bacteria is gathering in your body, your bladder is going to release as a priority. Its just basic anatomy, I suppose its like running to the bathroom 89 times in a day when your AB with a bladder infection!

Anyways, been there, done that.. not any fun. ESPECIALLY waking up and having to change the sheets, and yourself...thats undoubtedly one of the worst for me.

[Jackiefff]

Ches, on Jan 4 2009, 04:18 AM, said:

Its probably just the Uti making your life hell. I go through similiar things, some days there is just no beating it! Doesnt matter how long you sit on the potty or in the shower.. the minute your clean, fresh and dry it happens again

SOMETIMES taking cranberry supplements.. commonly known as AZO's can help with the spazzing, but that's not a guarantee, even those things will fail you given the chance. Best thing is to get on those meds asap. I doubt your having any physical issues with your bladder.. its more than likely just the infection. If the bacteria is gathering in your body, your bladder is going to release as a priority. Its just basic anatomy, I suppose its like running to the bathroom 89 times in a day when your AB with a bladder infection!

Anyways, been there, done that.. not any fun. ESPECIALLY waking up and having to change the sheets, and yourself...thats undoubtedly one of the worst for me.

I was starting to have symtoms a week ago, they tested me for a UTI before my surgery and they're wasnt one, then when i got back they said i had a 'little' one yesterday, but the doctor said he didnt know much about incotinence(ugh!) Although i figured i would have one after surgery since i had a catheder in the whole time. So i got my meds and have been taking 2 of my oxybutyin and its still happening yet this morning, it seems it gets triggered every time i go to cath and i get to the edge of the chair and pull down my clothes and lean back it just starts going! it did that at the doctor and still this morning... i will most likely have to drive ahwile to get an answer, the uroligist here(i went to them when i was having some problems about 8 mo ago) wasn't ANY help! So the doctor blamed my 'little' UTI, for my vomiting, severe headaches and the incotinence! but i have had uti's before and it has never been like this.
i am just so frusterated!

[RacingAxe]

I've had times where I leaked within minutes of cathing. Where the heck did that come from, I was sure I was empty? Anyway, I've done much better after realizing caffeine really bothers my bladder and taken steps to reduce any irritation from cathing. Any time I have a UTI I've experienced incontinence but it will go away very soon after starting antibiotics.

If you are vomiting and having headaches it sure sounds like more than a little UTI. Hope you get this figured out soon and feel better.

[AndrewB]

I know sounds crazy.. But when i have this problem i slam massive amounts of water, you cant just sip on it either i mean like 32 oz down at once.

It stops me from having those spastic pee's. Also Ive had better luck with real cranberry concentrate (they sell it at GNC it also has rosemary in it) you mix it in with the water for the big chug. I'm also now trying olive leaf extract, i haven't had to use it for a uti yet.. but these crips round' here say its good, and i trust em. give it a try maybe it will work for you.

[Ches]

Good point Andrew and it doesnt sound crazy.. large amounts of water help the spasms for me as well.. I guess its helping to flush and dilute whatever the problem may be? Either way.. it def helps.

[nomis]

Drinking heaps of water when you have a uti is standard in my part of the world and I suspect elsewhere. Some suggest a quick couple of pints of beer. The idea is to flush out the bacteria from the bladder and dilute the concentration. Then your natural resistance or antibiotics can finish the job off. Makes sense.

[lune14]

I develop the OP's incontinence issue a week or two prior to menstruation. It can last one to three days for me sometimes. I never had the problem in my 27 years as a para, until about a year ago. I guess our bodies change... and do so often. No amount of anti-spaz drugs help it either. I just have to wait it out.

[Slowlegs]

Although i figured i would have one after surgery since i had a catheder in the whole time. So i got my meds and have been taking 2 of my oxybutyin and its still happening yet this morning, it seems it gets triggered every time i go to cath and i get to the edge of the chair and pull down my clothes and lean back it just starts going

I have had a number of reconstructive surgeries to my pelvis where I had to have an indwelling penile catheter. I always noticed that afterwards it took me a while for the urethra to go back to its normal size when at rest. I'd pee when I stood up or sat up or walked because that is when the abdominal muscles would cause pressure on my bladder. I think the catheters do stretch the urethra and the urethral sphincter but it does tend to gain its elasticity back in around a month.

In a case where you may have little manual control over it, it could explain why you may have incontinence when scooting forward in your chair. I found it would pass off in a few weeks. I also have incontinence occasionally when I have sugar, coffee, alcohol or lots of rest. Cheap orange juice also does it to me, the combination of a lot of sugar and food acid seems to cause a mass evacuation. Times like Christmas tend to exacerbate things for me as if I am not careful a "perfect storm" of all the above occurs and I end up suffering from increased UTI's. Of course UTI's can also cause incontinence but I find certain strains can aggravate incontince issues more than others. I find parsley tea works for me, 20g (3/4 oz) coarsley chopped in 2.4l (4 pints) of water works well to alleviate it for a couple of days. Simmer the parsley and water for five minutes, steep for 15 minutes and strain it. Drink it over a period of three hours to flush out the bladder. Follow that with a cup of acidophilus yoghurt to restore the natural balance. I find sugary cranberry (like the standard ocean spray) aggravates mine so use the parsley tea and acidophilus routine.

Oh, and one other thing - I find general anaesthetics, xylocaine gel and sleeping tablets don't help either. It all has to go out somewhere and mostly it is through the bladder. Seems it puts things to sleep down there. General anaesthetics can take a while to exit the system so that could be affecting you too.

Edited by Slowlegs, 09 January 2009 - 10:57 AM.

[hipcrip]

I think Slowlegs' answer is right on track, especially if the incontinence only occurs when you get into that one position. Even back when I had control of my neuorgenic bladder, surgery always played havoc with my body for all the reasons slowlegs mentioned -- the presence of the indwelling cath, the anesthesia plus increased meds left me with leaking problems for weeks after.

And like the others, certain liquids like brown soda pop, iced tea and other beverages heavy in caffeine irritate the heck out of me, and made me lost control if I had even the tiniest trace of UTI.

I wonder if your headaches and vomiting might be some AD caused by your bladder spasming?

[norma]

I too have this problem about a week or 2 before my period is to start. I always wear a poise pad. It is hit and miss, never consistant. I have started to try and drink more when this happens. My first reaction was to drink less and that does not help. I have been to a uralagist (spelling) for this and he is keeping me on Detrol 2x a day. He said not to go on meds unless I have fever, chills etc. Not to take meds for small infections that my body would heal it?? It has been a couple of months since I've had one. I was frustrated too and now I feel it is a fact of life with SCI. I'm always prepared with hampton under me and extra clothes handy. I get into bed to cath which is easier for me then the chair...too scary. My injury is the same as June, T-10 T-11 complete. I stayaway from any tea, pop, caffine drinks. I drink water,orange juice or deluted juices. I will drink hot Chocolate if I want something warm. I tried to fight this probem and then when I embraced it and took control it was better. Hope this helps, Norma

[Edtezky]

Hey i m having trouble self cathing too. Some times i have to use 3-4 different caths before i get past my prostrate into my bladder. The feeling is like blockade, but once i get in it goes in smooth as butter. I been on a foil w/ legbag for a little bit so i can let it heal down there for a while. I been poking at it so much i dont want to mess up anything else. Im frustrated too.

Edited by Edtezky, 19 January 2009 - 03:13 AM.

[Jackiefff]

[quote name='Slowlegs' date='Jan 9 2009, 04:51 AM' post='91989']
Although i figured i would have one after surgery since i had a catheder in the whole time. So i got my meds and have been taking 2 of my oxybutyin and its still happening yet this morning, it seems it gets triggered every time i go to cath and i get to the edge of the chair and pull down my clothes and lean back it just starts going

I have had a number of reconstructive surgeries to my pelvis where I had to have an indwelling penile catheter. I always noticed that afterwards it took me a while for the urethra to go back to its normal size when at rest. I'd pee when I stood up or sat up or walked because that is when the abdominal muscles would cause pressure on my bladder. I think the catheters do stretch the urethra and the urethral sphincter but it does tend to gain its elasticity back in around a month.

ahhh.. i had my surgery the 30th.. last night i put in a cathader because I was going to drink later, i even had incotinence while I was getting ready, not even drinking... and there was hardley any urine with the incotinence or left in my bladder. it did this again later on in the night, but i still didnt drink much for it to do it.
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