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#1 jane

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Posted 17 February 2006 - 08:52 PM

hi.

my legs frequently feel strange - like i have tightend my muscles but can't relax them, sometimes it is very painful, even in the leg that i can't feel. I don't know whether this is normal or what or who to ask really.

my gp will not know (i am awaiting an outpatient appointment at sheffield spinal injuries unit in a couple of weeks so when i ask him he just says -' see what sheffield say' which doesn't help and i don't really know what to expect from there anyway)

anyone with anyideas?

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Posted 17 February 2006 - 11:23 PM

Is it like a muscle cramp? Sometimes when I try to do a good stretch on my left leg (neuro-damaged, but not paralyzed), my muscles will lock in and not let go for awhile. It is painful. I've not noticed this in my paralyzed leg though, but I don't have the ability to stretch that leg like the other either.

If it is a muscle cramp, then you could increase your calcium intake...that might help. But if it's a spasm, the only thing I've taken for them that helps is muscle relaxers.
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 01:50 AM

I also have tight muscles down the legs due to spasticity. I have been prescribed with baclofen and rivotril to relax the muscle as ms. joed have mentioned. My injury is T9-T11. There have been threads too on the use of TENS that stimulate the muscles so that they dont athropy. Therefore, it strengthens them. You're neurologist can help in suggesting to alleviate the pain. There are plenty of enriching threads in the baclofen pump section. Just to add, hot packs may also help. Be careful not to burn the skin though. :ranting:
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 04:06 PM

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Are you talking about real tightness or perceived tightness as you say 'feel' tight. I assume you cant feel them, so maybe its phantom, I get that - what 'feels' like all over below my level c4 completee.
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 07:16 PM

it could be HO. i forget the medicalterm, but it means calcium and little bone chips are growing in between the muscle.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 04:39 PM

Mine loosen as the day goes on and the more standing / walking I do, the less they tighten.

Oh and good luck with your appointment at Sheffield, they cancelled my last 2. I ain't been for 1 1/2 years!
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 11:22 PM

The tightness is i suppose perceived (i can feel one leg not the other) although if you touch them they are hard. generally i find them worse at the endof the day - in a morning they aren't too bad - i don't hink it is muscle cramps as they don't feel like that - but then nothing is like it used to be is it?

lucky

its my first appointment at sheffield - i was supposed to go as an inpatient in october but i came home instead (missing kids etc and thought i could manage at home better than i have been). So i am a bit nervous as everyone (gp, physio, ot's) seem to be building up going there as the big sove everything, answer all questyions type of thing and i am not sure it wil be.

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 12:16 AM

Postioning, stretching and exercises will help with the tighness, or cramps...I know your PT should instruct you on how to do it...

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 05:29 AM

this sounds an awful lot like what mine started out as. I didn't have the clonic spasticity like my SCI friends from wheelchair basketball have, but my spasms started out as random spells of "tightening" in my leg muscles. In conversations with doctors, it seems that for people who have had their spinal cord lesions quite awhile, they lack the active muscle power to have the more obvious types of spasticity. I have had mine my whole life, so I have no real muscle tone or power in my leg muscles. For me, spasticity involves little "movement" of my legs per se, but involves a whole lot of clenching/unclenching of my leg muscles that is quite distracting and tiring.
Anyway, just a thought.

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 03:54 PM

ive had stiff legs for ages now, but they inly appeared about 6 months after my accident, but anyway ive tryed everything to see if theres a link and i get nothing, heres some of the things ive tried,

sleeping postions
cushions
stretching,........ like loads and loads and then a little bit more... :D

helps for about 20 minutes


drinking lots of water (this might sound dumb but just to see)

seems to help a bit

electronic shocks (like then ones you buy for mustle stimulating)

works very well but obly about 2 ours

singing to them......

they just laughed...... :D

exercising them with a arm crank, with foot plates

again works very well for about 2 hours
That's what she said!

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 06:52 PM

wheelie182, on Feb 20 2006, 03:54 PM, said:

singing to them......

they just laughed...... :D
:D God bless ya...that's funny!

I have to wonder what particular songs you selected for this? "Turn Me Loose"?
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 02:40 AM

Turn me loose? No - "Good Vibrations!!"

ahhh. humor is so great. You gotta remember that no matter what a pain in the ass being a para/quad might be, there's something to laugh about.

interesting to note that TENS worked for awhile. I sometimes feel that if I could get my spasticity to tone down enough for me to fall asleep, I wouldn't have a problem because I can sleep through anything.

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 07:03 AM

My husband has spinal cord damage at C5 and C6 and has tightening of the tendons in his elbows and the backs of his knees and he has been told that it is because the brain is not sending the correct message to the muscles and nerves to release the tendons fully. This causes him excrutiating pain which he says is like really bad toothache. I've noticed that it is causing him to walk with a weird limp (spastic gait in medical terms) and we think that is due to muscles/tendons/nerves etc remaining tight. This also causes his muscles to become hard and it takes hours to get them to relax, I have tried rubbing and massaging all sorts of lotions and potions into them. He also suffers from really sharp long lasting muscle spasms especially evening and night time, he takes a whole cocktail of tablets, oxycontin, baclofen, amitriptyline, but nothing really seems to help, do any of you know how or what else to do to help.

I am so glad to have found this site, I feel as if a massive weight has been lifted as there are other people out there who are experiencing what we are going through also. We find it hard to explain to doctors, because they know medically what is going on with your body, but they cannot fully comprehend how it makes you both feel because they are not living through it.

Whilst at Rookwood Hospital the other day, a man in a wheelchair was trying to put rubbish in the bin, but to open the bin you needed to push a lever with your foot! This amazed me that we were in a Spinal Cord Rehabilitation Hospital and no thought had actually gone into using a simple thing like a bin. I'm going to find out who manufactures these hospital style bins and suggest voice activated or hand levers because there is obviously a very high need for them.
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Posted 25 February 2006 - 01:01 PM

Hi mttb14
I'm in a simlar boat to your hubby. In the sense that Im C-5 inc, walking (with pain) and also have tight tendons in my forearms, although they don't hurt. Have you tried Diazepam (Valium) ? This would help the tightness, pain and help aid sleep too.

Could you or anyone tell me more about OXYCONTIN ?

I'm trying to find as much info as possible about it as it may be an option for me!

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 01:28 PM

Hi firstly not another Chelsea fan, I have enough of that here! Chelsea and Cardiff City what a combination.lol

Oxycontin is a very strong opaite, it is opium based and is slow release, my husband takes 2 a day and they have helped him, he is in constant pain which has reduced him to tears quite a few times, (and he does not cry easily) and these tablets have taken some of the edge off the pain. They are not given by the doctors easily and it has taken years to get them, but we asked about morphine patches and where told that oxycontin was better. He also takes tramadol and paracetamol for the pain. He ran out of the oxycontin over a weekend once and he realised quite how much he needed them I can tell you.

He used to take diazapam, but he was changed over to baclofen which is less addictive and does not make you drowsie. He also takes amitriptyline at night as it is supposed to help with the nerve endings and helps you sleep. The only problem is trying to wake up the following day, they always make him feel groggy. He has various doses to take depending on how strong he needs them on that day, 10 mg, 25 mg and 50 mg.

How long have you had the problems, John has been getting steadily worse over the past 8 years since his accident. The tight tendons and that pain started about 2001, got worse 2002 then they operated, seemed to get better slightly, but once you start to try living again it has continually got worse. They have said that he will be wheelchair bound in about 5 to 8 years, he is determined to continue walking for as long as possible, as I'm sure you can understand.

Do you find it hard to get others to understand how bad you feel because they cannot see any physical injuries on the outside, and John was a very fit butcher, he used to carry carcasses of meat around all day and then come home and do 200 push ups etc. He is still broad and 6 ft but most of his muscle has wasted away and if he tries to do any form of exercise his tendons instantly tighten and his legs and arms then render him useless, he would work through the pain if he could, but he has problems straightening his arms and legs because of the tendons, so he then has to rest.

We are hoping to find out more about a baclofen pump which send baclofen straight to the problem C5 and C6, which will hopefully help with the muscle spasms he has been having for the last 6 to 8 months. They frighten the living day lights out of us when they are really strong and some nights they last for hours every couple of minutes.

Keep in touch and let us know how you are, its nice to have finally found other people experiencing the same things as us, who will understand what we are talking about. Even friends don't understand, they can see John walking about, all but with a slight limp and a lot slower than he used to, and they cannot understand what we mean when we try to explain the problems damaging your spinal cord causes. They also don't understand why he wants to work part time - if he's in that much pain why doesn't he go on the sick permanently is the usual question, the more he sits still the more his body gives up, so he has to try to keep going plus he is a worker and wants to work. Isn't it strange how it is usually people who weren't shurkers end up injured and their whole lives affected, yet lazy sods seem to just get by no real problems at all. (Sorry now I sound cynical)

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 02:41 PM

[QUOTE]Hi firstly not another Chelsea fan, I have enough of that here! Chelsea and Cardiff City what a combination.lol

Oxycontin is a very strong opaite, it is opium based and is slow release, my husband takes 2 a day and they have helped him, he is in constant pain which has reduced him to tears quite a few times, (and he does not cry easily) and these tablets have taken some of the edge off the pain. They are not given by the doctors easily and it has taken years to get them, but we asked about morphine patches and where told that oxycontin was better. He also takes tramadol and paracetamol for the pain. He ran out of the oxycontin over a weekend once and he realised quite how much he needed them I can tell you.

He used to take diazapam, but he was changed over to baclofen which is less addictive and does not make you drowsie. He also takes amitriptyline at night as it is supposed to help with the nerve endings and helps you sleep. The only problem is trying to wake up the following day, they always make him feel groggy. He has various doses to take depending on how strong he needs them on that day, 10 mg, 25 mg and 50 mg.

How long have you had the problems, John has been getting steadily worse over the past 8 years since his accident. The tight tendons and that pain started about 2001, got worse 2002 then they operated, seemed to get better slightly, but once you start to try living again it has continually got worse. They have said that he will be wheelchair bound in about 5 to 8 years, he is determined to continue walking for as long as possible, as I'm sure you can understand.

Do you find it hard to get others to understand how bad you feel because they cannot see any physical injuries on the outside, and John was a very fit butcher, he used to carry carcasses of meat around all day and then come home and do 200 push ups etc. He is still broad and 6 ft but most of his muscle has wasted away and if he tries to do any form of exercise his tendons instantly tighten and his legs and arms then render him useless, he would work through the pain if he could, but he has problems straightening his arms and legs because of the tendons, so he then has to rest.

We are hoping to find out more about a baclofen pump which send baclofen straight to the problem C5 and C6, which will hopefully help with the muscle spasms he has been having for the last 6 to 8 months. They frighten the living day lights out of us when they are really strong and some nights they last for hours every couple of minutes.

Keep in touch and let us know how you are, its nice to have finally found other people experiencing the same things as us, who will understand what we are talking about. Even friends don't understand, they can see John walking about, all but with a slight limp and a lot slower than he used to, and they cannot understand what we mean when we try to explain the problems damaging your spinal cord causes. They also don't understand why he wants to work part time - if he's in that much pain why doesn't he go on the sick permanently is the usual question, the more he sits still the more his body gives up, so he has to try to keep going plus he is a worker and wants to work. Isn't it strange how it is usually people who weren't shurkers end up injured and their whole lives affected, yet lazy sods seem to just get by no real problems at all. (Sorry now I sound cynical)


[size=7]Hi mttb14[/size]

Every word you have just written is so spot on. I was a grafter before (Steel Erector) and miss work sooo much. I feel like a useless tool some times. I was a big strong 12 and a half stoner who went down to 9.6 in hospital. Muscle wastage was a big issue with me too.
As for the part where folk think that just because you're on crutches, the disability is minimal...wrong. Our insides are just as worse as our "out-sides".
Also, yes...pain is getting worse as time goes by and I'm not sure my doctor knows exactly how bad I am! I wrote a letter yesterday telling her exactly how I feel and booked to see her on thursday, so hopefully I may be a little better after.
How long was John in hospital for and did the nurse's pack his feet with pillows to stop "drop foot" etc ?
Did he get hyposensitive skin anywhere....my hands were in soo much pain after the accident it was unreal.
The only meds I'm on are effervescent codiene tabs (rubbish), Fenactol (rubbish, don't take) and Diazepam (really good) but I have a feeling she thinks I may "abuse" them....Wrong.
I tried work for quite a few months but could only manage half a day as the pain was doing my head in! When you did such a manual job before, nothing can take its place.
How are Johns hands? Hopefully, with him being a butcher, he had big strong hands which would make them better than they could have been.
I got told, because I was so fit and strong before, it make things easier now? Maybe.
What did they say the first time you asked for Oxycontin ???????
Anyway, stay in touch and if you want to read my quick story....here it is (although it was written a year or so ago)

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All the best......

Edited by Lucky, 25 February 2006 - 03:37 PM.

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 04:50 PM

Lucky, on Feb 25 2006, 02:41 PM, said:

As for the part where folk think that just because you're on crutches, the disability is minimal...wrong. Our insides are just as worse as our "out-sides".
what you said there Lucky is so true, people don't realise and i find when i try to tell them they either just don't believe me or think that i am just not trying.

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 06:37 PM

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mttb 14 wrote:  Do you find it hard to get others to understand how bad you feel because they cannot see any physical injuries on the outside

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jane wrote: ...people don't realise and i find when i try to tell them they either just don't believe me or think that i am just not trying.

Yes, yes and yes! For some reason, it's our nature to always suspect fraud/laziness first...this infuriates me to no end. And when a person with chronic pain does make attempts to mimic normalcy, most people are quick to call it 'recovery'...having absolutely no idea how deep that person had to go inside of themselves to dredge up the effort. They don't realize that we often are living minute by minute (sometimes even second by second!) inside of our heads to simply go through the motions.

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Lucky wrote:  As for the part where folk think that just because you're on crutches, the disability is minimal...wrong. Our insides are just as worse as our "out-sides".

I've found that most people think that having an SCI is simply a loss of the use of extremities. My aunt asked me why I couldn't just hop on one leg! (?!) :unsure: Well, I guess that would work out just fine if my torso could withstand the stresses of balance, and I found a way to hold up the dangling piece of meat that is called my paralyzed leg! :cheers: Not to mention the internal guts that are effected by SCI....how I wish it were as simple as just having the loss of an extremity! And I know that most here would agree with that too. *sigh* But being fair, I suppose we cannot expect others to really 'get it' completely, unless they've been there themselves.

But when a person has to defend their 'bad days' over and over....it becomes discouraging and wearisome. The other day, I told my husband that I didn't do 'so and so' because I was having a bad day. He said, "but you're always having a bad day".....and I replied, "YES!! Now you're getting it!" Because what may look like a good day to him, where my pain in concerned, is in reality just another bad day that happens to be on the better end of that scale. He still cannot seem to grasp that if judged solely on how I feel each day....I would probably never get out of bed again!

OK, I'm ranting now. This is just a touchy issue in my life right now...and I'm sick to death of defending myself and having to justify everything I do or don't do in the course of any given day.

If you haven't had the chance to read it yet...here is an excellent essay on this subject. I wish I knew who wrote it, as I would like to thank them personally, because it's so right on:

A Letter to Those Without Chronic Pain

Edited by Joed, 25 February 2006 - 06:39 PM.

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 12:44 AM

Hi Lucky,

I have discovered that if I go with John to the doctors, I'm more forceful than him. If they ask him how he's feeling and he says not so bad today, they literally take it as you must be out of pain etc. So I usually say, he's better today than yesterday, but tomorrow he will probably pay for trying to do too much today, and he won't be able to move for the chronic pain tomorrow. They look in disbelief, but its true. He is still physically strong, and can lift boxes etc for a few minutes, but then by god the pain and spasms soon remind him that he shouldn't have done it. Five minutes of carrying out a normal task and 5 hours of pure agony.

Our surgery has some quite good doctors who do listen to you, or we make them. We usually see a lady called Dr Hopkins and if I could give her a medal or add her to the honours list I would. She listens, and she sees us both so she knows us both. If I'm finding things hard to cope with I go and cry my eyes out explaining how much pain he is in, so when he has an appointment she is already half aware of the problems.

I don't care how long we sit there for, I make sure everything that John has experienced in between appointments, we tell her. Blood pressure, muscle spasms, chronic pain etc and by saying that he just cannot cope with the pain, he really needs something stronger, like morphine patches, led her down the road of slow release oxycontin. If you need them, don't give in until they give them to you.

My dad had an accident when I was 6 and he never let my mother go to appointments with him, and he was in absolute agony, infact I think 30 years of pain is what killed him at 62, even though it was actually the electrics of the heart, but I think it is linked (Your body can only cope with so much pain and then something has to give). When he went to the doctors he used to try to describe the pain and they gave him Kapake and anti inflammatories and sleeping tablets, but nothing stronger. My mother used to go mad, but he would say that was all they would give him, so I am determined if it kills me trying, John is going to get whatever medication is out there to try and help ease some of his pain. I remember being at the surgery with my dad when he was asking for a repeat prescription and the receptionist was lecturing him that his tablets should not have run out yet, so he would have to wait until they were due, luckily the doctor overheard and told her if she was in half as much pain as my dad then she would understand what pain was, and he gave her a right royal telling off infront of the whole surgery. I learn from that, if you need it, insist on having it.

When we see specialists etc and they ask him how he is feeling on a rate of 1 - 10 I always butt in with, with or without the tablets, without the tablets it would be off the rickter scale! They probably hate me being in attendance, but my only concern is John and trying to ease his pain, so for now they will just have to put up with me. John or my dad were not shurkers and both lived to work, so if they are sat in a chair or in bed then they were obviously in a great deal of pain, I think growing up with it has made me understand John's pain a great deal more. My dad tried to hide it from us, but when he was asleep you could see it in his face, he would clench his fists and groan, so we knew to try and be helpful without annoying him. He was 75% disabled, but still struggled on his own legs, with much determination right to the bitter end.

I used to argue with him to cut his toe nails as he obviously could not cut them himself, so with his foot in my hand and the nail cutters in the other he would be screaming at me to leave them alone, but he never pulled his foot away, and when I had cut them you could see by the argumentative smirk that he appreciated it really. I think that was my learning curve, and John saw that before he had his injury, so he knows I really understand, not that I don't get upset, or hurt when he is snapping my head off, but he does apologise when he sees he has hurt me.

The letter to people without chronic pain mentioned above was brilliantly written, I'm going to send it to our solicitor and tell him to read it as it describes how John's days are. There is also a few doctors who might benefit from it, especially those employed by the DSS. Their doctor has said John is less than 14% disabled because he does not use sticks or crutches and the injuries are inside, yet our spinal doctor has said he is 66% disabled. Trying to explain that he cannot use sticks or crutches because of the tightening of the tendons in his elbows and knees happen at the same time, so if he cannot straighten his legs to walk, he cannot straighten his arms either, and the pain is excrutiating, but they just think you are lying. We opened our own small business so that John could work as when he could, not working out as easily as we thought as John is in more and more pain as time passes, but because he doesn't want to accept life on the sick yet, they say well he is well enough to work so he cannot be that bad. Alternatively, they say well if his legs are in that much pain why doesn't he use a wheel chair, when you try to say that, he is trying to use his own legs for as long as possible, even though he has chronic pain, because he knows that once he gives in and uses a chair, it is doubtful that he will be able to use his legs much after that. God, doesn't it make you want to scream.

I find John's family are just as bad, his twin comes out with things like, what you need is a good old bear hug to stretch all your muscles and to straighten you out. Oh, now that would be helpful wouldn't it!!!

God I love this site, I wish I had found it years ago, when I printed some of the items out and showed them to John, he said thank god someone else knows how I feel, because you feel so isolated, it is unreal.

We had just been to the doctors complaining of spasticity, spasms and chronic pain. Diazapam was prescribed. When we went back to the car, we had a puncture. The nuts were done up to tight for me to undo, and John's tendons went tight almost immediately when he tried to undo them, so he held the wheel brace on the nut and I was stamping on the leaver to try to loosen them. It took us ages to undo them all and then the wheel was to heavy for me to lift onto the nuts, but John couldn't see them, so again we had to work as a team. In the meantime the doctor who had seen John came out to get into his car as it was the end of surgery, did he offer any help, did he hell as like, he got in his car and drove off. Things like this really irritate John, he is 6 ft and a big bloke, yet he has to rely on his wife to change a tyre. I feel like crying for him, especially when you see him watching men looking at him standing there while I'm having to do what he would otherwise have done. The expression on their face is look at that lazy ............. making her carry all the shopping or changing a tyre, etc. If only they could feel how he feels, then they would understand.

We have learnt to laugh when we feel like crying, and we do talk a lot of things through, but it doesn't make it any easier. John's eyes show me how he's feeling, grey like steel is a really bad day, green is a good day and anything in between is an average day. Puffy under the eyes and grey in colour is as bad as it gets, stay in bed and cannot move. You would think that doctors who specialise in this kind of injury would have learned something similar by now, the answer not so bad today, means I don't really want to go through it all with you, it is bad enough living with it, without trying to describe it. My dad said not so bad to one doctor and he had all his benefits stopped and it took months to appeal the decision, and he was well mangled, run over on the right side of his body by an industrial fork lift truck at the docks, 75% disabled, fractured femar, broken ribs, collar bone, punctured lung, pins and plates etc, but still they stopped his money, when lots of people who we really know have nothing wrong with them get every benefit going and live the life of riley. If you are in true pain, as you have all mentioned then there are good, bad and indifferent days, and you have to try and be happy on occasions otherwise you may as well give up, but people who aren't really ill and are claiming when they shouldn't be are willing to say they are bad all the time because it is not real to them and they seem to get everything.

Anyway, speak to you all again, and Lucky I read your short life story with interest, I will describe what happened to John to you another day, keep nagging for the medicine you want, oxycontin does help.

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Never say never, and definately do not quit, its usually worth the trying in the end.

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 03:47 AM

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Well, I guess that would work out just fine if my torso could withstand the stresses of balance, and I found a way to hold up the dangling piece of meat that is called my paralyzed leg!

This quote is very descriptive. It gave me a good laugh.


Thanks joed for the "Letter for those without chronic pain," I printed one for my physical therapist.
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Posted 27 February 2006 - 05:43 AM

I was listing to this radio show called "the good life" and they were talking about this far-infrared sauna that is supposed to help detox the body. This infrared sauna can also help in spasms and other problems. I would call around and find out if there is a spa or some who has a practice and would have a spa in there office. But if your legs still are giving you problems and you've come to a dead end in resolving this problem investigate this procedure.
LIFE IS NOT A JOURNEY TO THE GRAVE WITH THE INTENTION OF ARRIVING SAFELY IN A PRETTY AND WELL PRESERVED BODY,
BUT RATHER TO SKID IN BROADSIDE, THOROUGHLY USED UP, TOTALLY WORN OUT, AND LOUDLY PROCLAIMING----WOW----WHAT A RIDE!!!

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mttb14, on Feb 26 2006, 12:44 AM, said:

Hi Lucky,

I have discovered that if I go with John to the doctors, I'm more forceful than him. If they ask him how he's feeling and he says not so bad today, they literally take it as you must be out of pain etc. So I usually say, he's better today than yesterday, but tomorrow he will probably pay for trying to do too much today, and he won't be able to move for the chronic pain tomorrow. They look in disbelief, but its true. He is still physically strong, and can lift boxes etc for a few minutes, but then by god the pain and spasms soon remind him that he shouldn't have done it. Five minutes of carrying out a normal task and 5 hours of pure agony.

Our surgery has some quite good doctors who do listen to you, or we make them. We usually see a lady called Dr Hopkins and if I could give her a medal or add her to the honours list I would. She listens, and she sees us both so she knows us both. If I'm finding things hard to cope with I go and cry my eyes out explaining how much pain he is in, so when he has an appointment she is already half aware of the problems.

I don't care how long we sit there for, I make sure everything that John has experienced in between appointments, we tell her. Blood pressure, muscle spasms, chronic pain etc and by saying that he just cannot cope with the pain, he really needs something stronger, like morphine patches, led her down the road of slow release oxycontin. If you need them, don't give in until they give them to you.

My dad had an accident when I was 6 and he never let my mother go to appointments with him, and he was in absolute agony, infact I think 30 years of pain is what killed him at 62, even though it was actually the electrics of the heart, but I think it is linked (Your body can only cope with so much pain and then something has to give). When he went to the doctors he used to try to describe the pain and they gave him Kapake and anti inflammatories and sleeping tablets, but nothing stronger. My mother used to go mad, but he would say that was all they would give him, so I am determined if it kills me trying, John is going to get whatever medication is out there to try and help ease some of his pain. I remember being at the surgery with my dad when he was asking for a repeat prescription and the receptionist was lecturing him that his tablets should not have run out yet, so he would have to wait until they were due, luckily the doctor overheard and told her if she was in half as much pain as my dad then she would understand what pain was, and he gave her a right royal telling off infront of the whole surgery. I learn from that, if you need it, insist on having it.

When we see specialists etc and they ask him how he is feeling on a rate of 1 - 10 I always butt in with, with or without the tablets, without the tablets it would be off the rickter scale! They probably hate me being in attendance, but my only concern is John and trying to ease his pain, so for now they will just have to put up with me. John or my dad were not shurkers and both lived to work, so if they are sat in a chair or in bed then they were obviously in a great deal of pain, I think growing up with it has made me understand John's pain a great deal more. My dad tried to hide it from us, but when he was asleep you could see it in his face, he would clench his fists and groan, so we knew to try and be helpful without annoying him. He was 75% disabled, but still struggled on his own legs, with much determination right to the bitter end.

I used to argue with him to cut his toe nails as he obviously could not cut them himself, so with his foot in my hand and the nail cutters in the other he would be screaming at me to leave them alone, but he never pulled his foot away, and when I had cut them you could see by the argumentative smirk that he appreciated it really. I think that was my learning curve, and John saw that before he had his injury, so he knows I really understand, not that I don't get upset, or hurt when he is snapping my head off, but he does apologise when he sees he has hurt me.

The letter to people without chronic pain mentioned above was brilliantly written, I'm going to send it to our solicitor and tell him to read it as it describes how John's days are. There is also a few doctors who might benefit from it, especially those employed by the DSS. Their doctor has said John is less than 14% disabled because he does not use sticks or crutches and the injuries are inside, yet our spinal doctor has said he is 66% disabled. Trying to explain that he cannot use sticks or crutches because of the tightening of the tendons in his elbows and knees happen at the same time, so if he cannot straighten his legs to walk, he cannot straighten his arms either, and the pain is excrutiating, but they just think you are lying. We opened our own small business so that John could work as when he could, not working out as easily as we thought as John is in more and more pain as time passes, but because he doesn't want to accept life on the sick yet, they say well he is well enough to work so he cannot be that bad. Alternatively, they say well if his legs are in that much pain why doesn't he use a wheel chair, when you try to say that, he is trying to use his own legs for as long as possible, even though he has chronic pain, because he knows that once he gives in and uses a chair, it is doubtful that he will be able to use his legs much after that. God, doesn't it make you want to scream.

I find John's family are just as bad, his twin comes out with things like, what you need is a good old bear hug to stretch all your muscles and to straighten you out. Oh, now that would be helpful wouldn't it!!!

God I love this site, I wish I had found it years ago, when I printed some of the items out and showed them to John, he said thank god someone else knows how I feel, because you feel so isolated, it is unreal.

We had just been to the doctors complaining of spasticity, spasms and chronic pain. Diazapam was prescribed. When we went back to the car, we had a puncture. The nuts were done up to tight for me to undo, and John's tendons went tight almost immediately when he tried to undo them, so he held the wheel brace on the nut and I was stamping on the leaver to try to loosen them. It took us ages to undo them all and then the wheel was to heavy for me to lift onto the nuts, but John couldn't see them, so again we had to work as a team. In the meantime the doctor who had seen John came out to get into his car as it was the end of surgery, did he offer any help, did he hell as like, he got in his car and drove off. Things like this really irritate John, he is 6 ft and a big bloke, yet he has to rely on his wife to change a tyre. I feel like crying for him, especially when you see him watching men looking at him standing there while I'm having to do what he would otherwise have done. The expression on their face is look at that lazy ............. making her carry all the shopping or changing a tyre, etc. If only they could feel how he feels, then they would understand.

We have learnt to laugh when we feel like crying, and we do talk a lot of things through, but it doesn't make it any easier. John's eyes show me how he's feeling, grey like steel is a really bad day, green is a good day and anything in between is an average day. Puffy under the eyes and grey in colour is as bad as it gets, stay in bed and cannot move. You would think that doctors who specialise in this kind of injury would have learned something similar by now, the answer not so bad today, means I don't really want to go through it all with you, it is bad enough living with it, without trying to describe it. My dad said not so bad to one doctor and he had all his benefits stopped and it took months to appeal the decision, and he was well mangled, run over on the right side of his body by an industrial fork lift truck at the docks, 75% disabled, fractured femar, broken ribs, collar bone, punctured lung, pins and plates etc, but still they stopped his money, when lots of people who we really know have nothing wrong with them get every benefit going and live the life of riley. If you are in true pain, as you have all mentioned then there are good, bad and indifferent days, and you have to try and be happy on occasions otherwise you may as well give up, but people who aren't really ill and are claiming when they shouldn't be are willing to say they are bad all the time because it is not real to them and they seem to get everything.

Anyway, speak to you all again, and Lucky I read your short life story with interest, I will describe what happened to John to you another day, keep nagging for the medicine you want, oxycontin does help.

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What a site!
Was just searching for info on spasms, and had to read these e-mails.
My son Lee- c5 incomplete, is now after 6mnths, suffering from harsh spasms and its wearing him down so quickly.
Not sure what drugs he started taking last week, but they made him sleepy, sick, and very low, so he keeps throwing them !!
Lee is unable to use his fingers, or move his legs yet- Can just about move the 4 small toes when he thinks about it, on his right foot. I hope this is a GOOD sign.

As he is only 21, I am concerned now, that his spasms and pain might just keep getting worse-not better??

I know everyone is different, but any suggestions on which drug may have the least side effects ?

All you c5/c6's that are able to walk- Can you give any help on how long it took you to get up on feet ? - We live in the cotswolds, Not much info gets back to us from the medical side!

Best wishes to all,
Val.

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 01:34 PM

Hi Val,

Sorry to hear about your son. At such a young age too, it must be hard being a mother. I know my mum had a real bad time and still is...3 years on. I think it's affected her more than it has me in a way.

About the drugs for spasms...I don't really know as my spasms only occur when I awake and stretch in bed or when I stand after being sat for a good while.
There are quite a few meds out the especially for spasms but what they are and which are best is for someone else to say and I'm sure they'll post soon.

If you read my short story here..... http://www.spinal.co...id=351&catid=92 , it'll tell you how long it took me to get back on my feet etc. However, everyone is differant, but the fact you said he can move his toes has to be a very possitive sign. I know of a bloke who took 2 years before he got to his feet but "they" say it could take up to 3 years before the body finishes makeing what recovery it going to!

Sorry I can't be of more help to you....here are a few other top web-sites about SCI info for you to browse....

http://www.spinalcor...hpBB2/index.php

http://www.spinal.co.uk/messageboard/

http://www.spinalinj...om/homepage.htm

http://carecure.org/forum/index.php?

All the best to you and your son Val

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