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#1 Tinbasher

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 09:03 PM

So ...

I rolled out of the supermarket (Booths in Ulverston) with a bag of shopping between my teeth. I was taking my chair apart to get it in the car when I got that feeling that I was being watched. I looked up to meet these two.

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They didn't have their pitchfork with them and he had more hair but it was them or some close British relatives! Mr and Mrs Cumbrian Gothic.

After a very long pause Mr Gothic began ...

Mr G "Are you the person in the wheelchair?"

Tin "errr yess?????"

Mrs G "We've never seen someone in a wheelchair get in a car on their own!" (to MrG) "have we?"

Mr G "No we haven't"

Mr G "We never knew people in wheelchairs could be out on their own"

Mrs G "No we didn't know that did we"

The "conversation" continued in this vein for a while.

I am now seriously spooked by this pair! But ever the educator I explain that lots of disabled people drive and are independent.

Then in unison... "We didn't know that did we, thank you" and then they presumably wandered off back to their farmhouse isolated from the 21st century!

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 09:20 PM

CLASSIC! :tease:
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 01:17 AM

I bet they'd have fallen over in shock if they found out that many of us even hold down jobs & raise our families. :yahoo:
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 02:11 AM

WHHOOAAAaaa.. wow. Aliens. I'd bet they were Aliens from outer space
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 04:07 AM

I guess it's as hard for us to think there are people like them,, as the other way around.

Big world,,, small minds,,,, who knew???
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 04:40 AM

I told my mom that my boyfriend was thinking about getting a place to move into and she was so confused. She didn't understand how he would be able to live in his own place with no one else there to watch him 24/7. I was like, "Mom, do you think that every person in a wheelchair lives with their parents for the rest of their lives?" She said no but was still like umm..so how's he going to do that?

Ohhhh funny silly people. Gotta love them though.

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 09:19 AM

I hate people.

I was at a family restaurant on a Sunday around a time that churches were letting out in my community, and a 60/70 year old woman came up to me, put her hand on my shoulder(which I hate) and told me how glad she was to see people like me out and about in the community.

Ugh. It takes a totally mindless person to turn a seemingly simple, sweet comment into something so bitter and irritating.

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 10:22 AM

Haha, people are funny. Today I went out shopping with my sister, and this kid was staring at me, so my sister walked close to him and just stared him in the eyes. I was cracking up in the store. When we left the aisle she was like "if people stare, I stare back! I know it sounds rude, because he was just a little kid, but oh my gosh, it was hilarious.
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 01:47 PM

View PostHikkakaru, on Jul 10 2009, 02:19 AM, said:

I hate people.

I was at a family restaurant on a Sunday around a time that churches were letting out in my community, and a 60/70 year old woman came up to me, put her hand on my shoulder(which I hate) and told me how glad she was to see people like me out and about in the community.

Ugh. It takes a totally mindless person to turn a seemingly simple, sweet comment into something so bitter and irritating.

Why that bothers you? She just had "hots" for you my friend :)


View PostBeautiful, on Jul 10 2009, 03:22 AM, said:

Haha, people are funny. Today I went out shopping with my sister, and this kid was staring at me, so my sister walked close to him and just stared him in the eyes. I was cracking up in the store. When we left the aisle she was like "if people stare, I stare back! I know it sounds rude, because he was just a little kid, but oh my gosh, it was hilarious.

I just wink them back and most of them return with smile! :)
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 04:18 PM

I had an old guy ask me if I need help getting into my car one time after shopping at Trader Joe's (it's always at Trader Joe's for some reason...) Anyway, after I politely declined the offer he just stood there watching me. Totally freaked me out. I just wanted to shoo him away.

Also, it would have been great if the two old crazies in your story wandered back to their car parked in a handicapped spot. That would have been awesome.
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 04:45 PM

Oh wowwwww. Like Andrew said... ALIENS!!!!

The weirdest encounters/questions I have gotten almost always involved me getting in and out of my truck. I've had people literally stop their cars and stare and watch me, baffled. I think it's odd when someone DOESN'T ask me if I need help getting back into my car because it happens at least one time while I'm out and about. Driving an SUV probably adds to their curiousity. I always say just no thanks and they generally move along but occasionally someone will question me. Yesterday I met with a friend and had a slight (unknowing) war with a woman over a disabled parking spot. I had no idea she was aiming to pull into the last remaining spot and I pulled into it. She glared at me from her car, probably waiting to rip me once I got out--until I started to pull my chair out. She found another spot but as she was walking by with her friend/daughter/whatever, I was still getting my stuff out of my car and I could hear her talking about me, saying how amazing I am and how she couldn't tell I was in a chair from her car and looking at me and smiling. :mfrlol:
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 05:11 PM

It seems ,, from the above posts,, that it less what they say, than the way we feel about them saying anything at all.

It's obvious that we (chaired) are a small minority, and that most ABs seldom see one of us,, or even thinks about us. That they stare shouldn't be looked at as an affront of any kind, but a chance for them to develope some understanding of us. Certainly a thing to be encouraged,,( not the staring, the developing).

We may not like it, but each of us represents all of us, to those staring, or offering help, or even offering their rather left handed compliments. In such an interaction, we each become,, possibly,, the only contact these ABs will ever have with a chaired person. In what way would you like us all to be remembered??? For me,,, I like Yasko's way. A wink,,, a smile,,, maybe a bit of humor,,, maybe even a demo of getting into or out of my car.

As long as what I leave them with is the impression of competance, or intelligence,,, but perhaps most importantly,, good humor,,.
It's an AB world out there,, and with or without government's help,, we all have to find our own place in it.


Sorry about that,,, sometimes I try to philosophize too much.
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 05:27 PM

View PostHikkakaru, on Jul 10 2009, 10:19 AM, said:

I was at a family restaurant on a Sunday around a time that churches were letting out in my community, and a 60/70 year old woman came up to me, put her hand on my shoulder(which I hate) and told me how glad she was to see people like me out and about in the community. Ugh. It takes a totally mindless person to turn a seemingly simple, sweet comment into something so bitter and irritating.
I had this happen to me some time back . . . got stopped by an elderly couple as I was leaving a restaurant with my wife and friends . . . and told how nice it was that people like me got out sometimes!

I can't remember who I was with that night, or what I ate, but that bloody comment has never left me!

Problem is, they get away with sh-t like that because I'm not prepared to lower myself to their ignorant level and fire back a comment, or engage in a debate. But it sours the moment.

One day someone is going to catch me on a bad day with one of their inane comments, and I am going to strip a gear, and they're going to catch the brunt of 30+ years of frustration! :mfrlol:

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 07:47 PM

View PostHikkakaru, on Jul 10 2009, 02:19 AM, said:

I hate people.

I was at a family restaurant on a Sunday around a time that churches were letting out in my community, and a 60/70 year old woman came up to me, put her hand on my shoulder(which I hate) and told me how glad she was to see people like me out and about in the community.

Ugh. It takes a totally mindless person to turn a seemingly simple, sweet comment into something so bitter and irritating.

Hikski,

I almost wasn't gonna say anything, but, my lil' dick-skinners got the better of me and forced their way to the keyboard before I could stop them.
What the poor old thing, bless her bone headed lil' heart, said, and intended to say was in fact simple and sweet. Do you think an old, church goin' lady like that would intentionally be bitter and irritating?

Granted she's ignorant as hell. But with a well meaning old fart like her, maybe ignorance (nothing more than a lack of knowledge) can be forgiven.

But then again, if she was just a malicious old crone who wanted nothing more than to see you cry in your happy meal then let me know. I'll personally come out there and whoop the absolute living shit out of her. I don't care HOW old and feeble she is, I'm damn near as old and probably feebler!

I don't want to be perceived as a butt head. Or at least any more of a butt head than I already am.
And I sure as shit don't want to make enemies of a fellow gimperoo but,
Detach yourself for just a second and try to see this from a non biased vantage point.

A sweet and simple comment was indeed turned into something bitter. But who really did the turning? And like I say Captain Hikkup, enemies on wheels I don't need. You're too young, fast, and strong for me to go toe to toe with, so be kind and rewind.

I'd like to say life's too short to cling to resentments as small as these but that's bullshit.
It ain't that life's so short. It's that yer dead for so long!

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 09:46 PM

That's kinda uncomfortable!!

I've had one of the chaps at work (nice enough but deeply religious in the manner known as free evangelical and slightly scary) try and force the devil out of me to cure me of my pain...

...

Didn't work alas but proved a lot of entertainment.

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 11:26 PM

Typical...I swear the need for ewducating the A.B. public never ends. Its the risk of doing your own shopping. :mfrlol:



View PostTinbasher, on Jul 9 2009, 02:03 PM, said:

So ...

I rolled out of the supermarket (Booths in Ulverston) with a bag of shopping between my teeth. I was taking my chair apart to get it in the car when I got that feeling that I was being watched. I looked up to meet these two.

Posted Image

They didn't have their pitchfork with them and he had more hair but it was them or some close British relatives! Mr and Mrs Cumbrian Gothic.

After a very long pause Mr Gothic began ...

Mr G "Are you the person in the wheelchair?"

Tin "errr yess?????"

Mrs G "We've never seen someone in a wheelchair get in a car on their own!" (to MrG) "have we?"

Mr G "No we haven't"

Mr G "We never knew people in wheelchairs could be out on their own"

Mrs G "No we didn't know that did we"

The "conversation" continued in this vein for a while.

I am now seriously spooked by this pair! But ever the educator I explain that lots of disabled people drive and are independent.

Then in unison... "We didn't know that did we, thank you" and then they presumably wandered off back to their farmhouse isolated from the 21st century!

Tin


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Posted 11 July 2009 - 11:09 PM

Mr and Mrs Cumbrian Gothic. :P

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 01:53 AM

Ophelia


Ladies as good looking as yourself have to keep in mind that there are some men such as myself that just think you look SMOKIN reguardless of you not being "able bodied".


I shop at thrift stores and and one such store one lady customer is a regular and she drives a SUV and is so stunning that I juust have to sit and watch.



View Posttwisted_ophelia, on Jul 10 2009, 09:45 AM, said:

Oh wowwwww. Like Andrew said... ALIENS!!!!

The weirdest encounters/questions I have gotten almost always involved me getting in and out of my truck. I've had people literally stop their cars and stare and watch me, baffled. I think it's odd when someone DOESN'T ask me if I need help getting back into my car because it happens at least one time while I'm out and about. Driving an SUV probably adds to their curiousity. I always say just no thanks and they generally move along but occasionally someone will question me. Yesterday I met with a friend and had a slight (unknowing) war with a woman over a disabled parking spot. I had no idea she was aiming to pull into the last remaining spot and I pulled into it. She glared at me from her car, probably waiting to rip me once I got out--until I started to pull my chair out. She found another spot but as she was walking by with her friend/daughter/whatever, I was still getting my stuff out of my car and I could hear her talking about me, saying how amazing I am and how she couldn't tell I was in a chair from her car and looking at me and smiling. :P


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Posted 12 July 2009 - 03:52 AM

Haha, I've had those experiences. Most of the time I'm too busy to be angry at them or just in a good mood, so either I get really confused until I figure out what they're talking about or actually manage a response.

I was in DC last summer, in Georgetown which is horrendous for anyone in a chair but I was just tagging along with my friends, jumping curbs and small steps as needed. We came out of a store with a 6 inch curb going inside, I just kinda flew out backwards and this girl and her friend just kind of stop window shopping and just say 'Nice!'. It took me a moment to register what she was talking about and then I just gave her a big grin. She was kinda young too, probably mid 20's, so I guess it really is just an AB thing.

Either way, that kinda made me laugh until we had to get back on the bus.
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Posted 12 July 2009 - 01:08 PM

as a rule gettin out the car and such I do automatic no real thinking involved
but if someone has decided they really want to watch me either because they find me irrasistable or want to see me go arse hole s**t
then I find myself actually concentrating on what I'm doing which seems totally un-natural

can remember many years ago me n a ex went to this cafe and was happily havin a drink when I noticed these 2 old biddies stareing and watching everything I did
so I poured my tea into the soucer slirrped as loud as I cud and dribbled a bit just for effect, ex played along moppin up my dribble from my chin

then when we had finished I politely asked if they enjoyed the show
for some reason they got up quickly and left

hopes you is having a gud and stare free day :D

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Posted 14 July 2009 - 07:34 PM

View PostWetRain, on Jul 12 2009, 01:08 PM, said:

as a rule gettin out the car and such I do automatic no real thinking involved
but if someone has decided they really want to watch me either because they find me irrasistable or want to see me go arse hole s**t
then I find myself actually concentrating on what I'm doing which seems totally un-natural

can remember many years ago me n a ex went to this cafe and was happily havin a drink when I noticed these 2 old biddies stareing and watching everything I did
so I poured my tea into the soucer slirrped as loud as I cud and dribbled a bit just for effect, ex played along moppin up my dribble from my chin

then when we had finished I politely asked if they enjoyed the show
for some reason they got up quickly and left


hopes you is having a gud and stare free day :)

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Posted 14 July 2009 - 08:09 PM

View PostE-DOG, on Jul 10 2009, 07:47 PM, said:

View PostHikkakaru, on Jul 10 2009, 02:19 AM, said:

I hate people.

I was at a family restaurant on a Sunday around a time that churches were letting out in my community, and a 60/70 year old woman came up to me, put her hand on my shoulder(which I hate) and told me how glad she was to see people like me out and about in the community.

Ugh. It takes a totally mindless person to turn a seemingly simple, sweet comment into something so bitter and irritating.

Hikski,

I almost wasn't gonna say anything, but, my lil' dick-skinners got the better of me and forced their way to the keyboard before I could stop them.
What the poor old thing, bless her bone headed lil' heart, said, and intended to say was in fact simple and sweet. Do you think an old, church goin' lady like that would intentionally be bitter and irritating?

Granted she's ignorant as hell. But with a well meaning old fart like her, maybe ignorance (nothing more than a lack of knowledge) can be forgiven.

But then again, if she was just a malicious old crone who wanted nothing more than to see you cry in your happy meal then let me know. I'll personally come out there and whoop the absolute living shit out of her. I don't care HOW old and feeble she is, I'm damn near as old and probably feebler!

I don't want to be perceived as a butt head. Or at least any more of a butt head than I already am.
And I sure as shit don't want to make enemies of a fellow gimperoo but,
Detach yourself for just a second and try to see this from a non biased vantage point.

A sweet and simple comment was indeed turned into something bitter. But who really did the turning? And like I say Captain Hikkup, enemies on wheels I don't need. You're too young, fast, and strong for me to go toe to toe with, so be kind and rewind.

I'd like to say life's too short to cling to resentments as small as these but that's bullshit.
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Posted 16 July 2009 - 12:40 AM

View PostE-DOG, on Jul 10 2009, 11:47 AM, said:

View PostHikkakaru, on Jul 10 2009, 02:19 AM, said:

I hate people.

I was at a family restaurant on a Sunday around a time that churches were letting out in my community, and a 60/70 year old woman came up to me, put her hand on my shoulder(which I hate) and told me how glad she was to see people like me out and about in the community.

Ugh. It takes a totally mindless person to turn a seemingly simple, sweet comment into something so bitter and irritating.

Hikski,

I almost wasn't gonna say anything, but, my lil' dick-skinners got the better of me and forced their way to the keyboard before I could stop them.
What the poor old thing, bless her bone headed lil' heart, said, and intended to say was in fact simple and sweet. Do you think an old, church goin' lady like that would intentionally be bitter and irritating?

Granted she's ignorant as hell. But with a well meaning old fart like her, maybe ignorance (nothing more than a lack of knowledge) can be forgiven.

But then again, if she was just a malicious old crone who wanted nothing more than to see you cry in your happy meal then let me know. I'll personally come out there and whoop the absolute living shit out of her. I don't care HOW old and feeble she is, I'm damn near as old and probably feebler!

I don't want to be perceived as a butt head. Or at least any more of a butt head than I already am.
And I sure as shit don't want to make enemies of a fellow gimperoo but,
Detach yourself for just a second and try to see this from a non biased vantage point.

A sweet and simple comment was indeed turned into something bitter. But who really did the turning? And like I say Captain Hikkup, enemies on wheels I don't need. You're too young, fast, and strong for me to go toe to toe with, so be kind and rewind.

I'd like to say life's too short to cling to resentments as small as these but that's bullshit.
It ain't that life's so short. It's that yer dead for so long!

E


Hey Dawg.

I understand your point. It's completely valid. I guess 'we youngins' just follow a different methodology for things than that of our elders. BUT, let's look at this from yet another viewpoint.

People whom are, and were, YOUR elders' grew up in a time of real racial hatred. A lot of phrasing and terminology was grandfathered into our current day vocabulary from that time, but that's besides the point.

Let's say that an 85 year old man in a nursing home calls an African American employee there 'boy' out of habit whilst at the same time complementing him for something that he had done or had.

"That's a might impressive time-piece you got there, boy."

The old man obviously meant nothing ill-willed of it, but he used a racially insensitive term along with his compliment. It was either sleight of mouth or just an honest ignorance of the harsh feelings that the word conjures in ones' head. He absolutely meant nothing negative and was honestly complimenting the man's watch.

We then have to ask the question, does ignorance give people the right to be insensitive to the blight of others?

I know that this is where I will differ from most others, but I do not believe that ignorance is any excuse to harm others physically or emotionally.

No matter what age or era you are from, it has been universally seen as a negative to be ostracized and separated from the main herd by physical or mental handicaps. For the woman to just remind me of that by the addendum of "you people" in her phrasing just exemplifies the fact that I am infact disabled, and different, than others. I understand that she was trying to be kind, and I know that in her mind she did no wrong, but regardless of age if she had really thought of her phrasing--unless of course she was just an idiot to begin with, she would have seen how it could have the power to offend.

Dog, you should know by now that you don't need the paragraph disclaimer avoiding conflict with me, unless you're going out of your way to be a prick ;) We can always have rational conversations man to dog.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 07:35 AM

View PostHikkakaru, on Jul 15 2009, 05:40 PM, said:

Hey Dawg.

I understand your point. It's completely valid. I guess 'we youngins' just follow a different methodology for things than that of our elders. BUT, let's look at this from yet another viewpoint.

People whom are, and were, YOUR elders' grew up in a time of real racial hatred. A lot of phrasing and terminology was grandfathered into our current day vocabulary from that time, but that's besides the point.

Let's say that an 85 year old man in a nursing home calls an African American employee there 'boy' out of habit whilst at the same time complementing him for something that he had done or had.

"That's a might impressive time-piece you got there, boy."

The old man obviously meant nothing ill-willed of it, but he used a racially insensitive term along with his compliment. It was either sleight of mouth or just an honest ignorance of the harsh feelings that the word conjures in ones' head. He absolutely meant nothing negative and was honestly complimenting the man's watch.

We then have to ask the question, does ignorance give people the right to be insensitive to the blight of others?

I know that this is where I will differ from most others, but I do not believe that ignorance is any excuse to harm others physically or emotionally.

No matter what age or era you are from, it has been universally seen as a negative to be ostracized and separated from the main herd by physical or mental handicaps. For the woman to just remind me of that by the addendum of "you people" in her phrasing just exemplifies the fact that I am infact disabled, and different, than others. I understand that she was trying to be kind, and I know that in her mind she did no wrong, but regardless of age if she had really thought of her phrasing--unless of course she was just an idiot to begin with, she would have seen how it could have the power to offend.

Dog, you should know by now that you don't need the paragraph disclaimer avoiding conflict with me, unless you're going out of your way to be a prick ;) We can always have rational conversations man to dog.

Sam

Sam, I don't need to go out of my way to be a prick. I think it may come naturally. Unintentionally but naturally.

You make a good point. One can offend, insult, hurt, not meaning to. Not wanting to. By not putting enough thought into what we say before we say it. Crap spews out, gets all over everything and stings like hell. No matter how quick we are with a rag, the damage is already done.

But I also think intention ought to be looked at. Had the old broad intended to hurt you it would have been one thing. And worth havin' a lil' chit chat with her letting her know that "yes, what you just said hurt and makes me feel like the leggless, useless piece of shit that I already know I am. Thanx you ancient drain on society for reminding me, did you know your kids can't wait till you die so they can shit all over that antique furniture you've been saving JUST FOR THEM?"

Since she did not intend to hurt you, I believe she could be more easily forgiven. Either stop and explain what you feel she did wrong, ameliorating her ignorance. Or simply by smiling, giving her a thousand yard stare and being on your way.

I think my concern here isn't so much with the old lady or what she said or what she meant by it. What came out of her mouth went into your ear. She split the scene not giving it another thought. Irregularity caused by the salad dressing she ate in the restaurant had more effect on her than what she said to you or how you felt about it.

But you took what she said, analyzed it, made sure you saw it as an insult, albeit an unintentional insult, and have clung to it ever since. Obviously the anger from this resentment affects only one person. And it sure as shit ain't the old lady. She's probably dead by now,never having been affected by your anger. But you, my friend, have been tainted by this resentment. To one degree or another it's had an effect on your behavior, outlook etc. ever since that day.

What she did may have pissed you off, but you made the decision to stay pissed off. It's your lack of tolerance for what an old biddy with only half a lick of sense said to you that's caused you to cling to the resentment like a pit bull on crack.

You are responsible for your feelings, not the one woman parkinsons parade.
Like the black guy who was called boy by the old man. He could internalize it and hate old white men for the rest of his life. Or, he could understand the guy didn't really mean any harm and let it go.

POOF! There it goes. Smoke a joint, move on, too many cute butts to ogle, and all that.

I probably didn't make my point clear in my first post, but I was only trying to help YOU. Just hate seeing you so angry for so long over something so trivial.

Elder huh. You callin' me an old man? Why you lil' whippersnapper I oughta yada yada ya.........................

E
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Posted 16 July 2009 - 09:51 AM

View PostE-DOG, on Jul 15 2009, 11:35 PM, said:

View PostHikkakaru, on Jul 15 2009, 05:40 PM, said:

Hey Dawg.

I understand your point. It's completely valid. I guess 'we youngins' just follow a different methodology for things than that of our elders. BUT, let's look at this from yet another viewpoint.

People whom are, and were, YOUR elders' grew up in a time of real racial hatred. A lot of phrasing and terminology was grandfathered into our current day vocabulary from that time, but that's besides the point.

Let's say that an 85 year old man in a nursing home calls an African American employee there 'boy' out of habit whilst at the same time complementing him for something that he had done or had.

"That's a might impressive time-piece you got there, boy."

The old man obviously meant nothing ill-willed of it, but he used a racially insensitive term along with his compliment. It was either sleight of mouth or just an honest ignorance of the harsh feelings that the word conjures in ones' head. He absolutely meant nothing negative and was honestly complimenting the man's watch.

We then have to ask the question, does ignorance give people the right to be insensitive to the blight of others?

I know that this is where I will differ from most others, but I do not believe that ignorance is any excuse to harm others physically or emotionally.

No matter what age or era you are from, it has been universally seen as a negative to be ostracized and separated from the main herd by physical or mental handicaps. For the woman to just remind me of that by the addendum of "you people" in her phrasing just exemplifies the fact that I am infact disabled, and different, than others. I understand that she was trying to be kind, and I know that in her mind she did no wrong, but regardless of age if she had really thought of her phrasing--unless of course she was just an idiot to begin with, she would have seen how it could have the power to offend.

Dog, you should know by now that you don't need the paragraph disclaimer avoiding conflict with me, unless you're going out of your way to be a prick ;) We can always have rational conversations man to dog.

Sam

Sam, I don't need to go out of my way to be a prick. I think it may come naturally. Unintentionally but naturally.

You make a good point. One can offend, insult, hurt, not meaning to. Not wanting to. By not putting enough thought into what we say before we say it. Crap spews out, gets all over everything and stings like hell. No matter how quick we are with a rag, the damage is already done.

But I also think intention ought to be looked at. Had the old broad intended to hurt you it would have been one thing. And worth havin' a lil' chit chat with her letting her know that "yes, what you just said hurt and makes me feel like the leggless, useless piece of shit that I already know I am. Thanx you ancient drain on society for reminding me, did you know your kids can't wait till you die so they can shit all over that antique furniture you've been saving JUST FOR THEM?"

Since she did not intend to hurt you, I believe she could be more easily forgiven. Either stop and explain what you feel she did wrong, ameliorating her ignorance. Or simply by smiling, giving her a thousand yard stare and being on your way.

I think my concern here isn't so much with the old lady or what she said or what she meant by it. What came out of her mouth went into your ear. She split the scene not giving it another thought. Irregularity caused by the salad dressing she ate in the restaurant had more effect on her than what she said to you or how you felt about it.

But you took what she said, analyzed it, made sure you saw it as an insult, albeit an unintentional insult, and have clung to it ever since. Obviously the anger from this resentment affects only one person. And it sure as shit ain't the old lady. She's probably dead by now,never having been affected by your anger. But you, my friend, have been tainted by this resentment. To one degree or another it's had an effect on your behavior, outlook etc. ever since that day.

What she did may have pissed you off, but you made the decision to stay pissed off. It's your lack of tolerance for what an old biddy with only half a lick of sense said to you that's caused you to cling to the resentment like a pit bull on crack.

You are responsible for your feelings, not the one woman parkinsons parade.
Like the black guy who was called boy by the old man. He could internalize it and hate old white men for the rest of his life. Or, he could understand the guy didn't really mean any harm and let it go.

POOF! There it goes. Smoke a joint, move on, too many cute butts to ogle, and all that.

I probably didn't make my point clear in my first post, but I was only trying to help YOU. Just hate seeing you so angry for so long over something so trivial.

Elder huh. You callin' me an old man? Why you lil' whippersnapper I oughta yada yada ya.........................

E

E,

I understood you completely, but for my age I am incredibly jaded and resentful. I can't blame my injury--I was before hand. Just the luck o' the draw. Not to say I don't ever enjoy life nor do I even take it seriously. In fact, the only reason I even brought the old lady up was the fact that this thread made me reminisce about it, not because I have a timeless vendetta for old ladies that rooted from that incident.

In all reality, I said thank you to the woman and politely continued to eat my food, making sure that whenever I glanced over in her direction there was a smile plastered on my face for the remainder of my meal. I knew then that she meant well and I still know that, but nevertheless it made me think that some people should watch their mouth. It'd be equivalent to a young, youthful woman telling the woman something along the lines of "Wow, at your age it's amazing that you can still chew your food! I hope when I am that old I am able to too!"

I'd be lying if I said that I didn't hear "I am so glad that people like you are still out and about in the community." as a hurtful statement, but i'd also be lying if I said I still let it bother me.

-Sam

Edited by Hikkakaru, 16 July 2009 - 09:54 AM.


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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:20 PM

This is the key:
"You are responsible for your feelings, not the one woman parkinsons parade.
Like the black guy who was called boy by the old man. He could internalize it and hate old white men for the rest of his life. Or, he could understand the guy didn't really mean any harm and let it go." :clap:

And, I got to remember this one for the future use:
"Wow, at your age it's amazing that you can still chew your food! I hope when I am that old, I will be able too!"
:lmao:
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 12:37 AM

View PostHikkakaru, on Jul 16 2009, 02:51 AM, said:

E,

I understood you completely, but for my age I am incredibly jaded and resentful. I can't blame my injury--I was before hand. Just the luck o' the draw. Not to say I don't ever enjoy life nor do I even take it seriously. In fact, the only reason I even brought the old lady up was the fact that this thread made me reminisce about it, not because I have a timeless vendetta for old ladies that rooted from that incident.

In all reality, I said thank you to the woman and politely continued to eat my food, making sure that whenever I glanced over in her direction there was a smile plastered on my face for the remainder of my meal. I knew then that she meant well and I still know that, but nevertheless it made me think that some people should watch their mouth. It'd be equivalent to a young, youthful woman telling the woman something along the lines of "Wow, at your age it's amazing that you can still chew your food! I hope when I am that old I am able to too!"

I'd be lying if I said that I didn't hear "I am so glad that people like you are still out and about in the community." as a hurtful statement, but i'd also be lying if I said I still let it bother me.

-Sam

I see from this latest reply Cap'n hiccup, you choose to remain true to yourself and you don't bullshit. For the most part. And that's more important than what some old fool sez or how you perceive what she sez any day.
Have a cookie!
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Posted 18 July 2009 - 11:36 AM

View PostTinbasher, on Jul 9 2009, 04:03 PM, said:

So ...

I rolled out of the supermarket (Booths in Ulverston) with a bag of shopping between my teeth. I was taking my chair apart to get it in the car when I got that feeling that I was being watched. I looked up to meet these two.

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They didn't have their pitchfork with them and he had more hair but it was them or some close British relatives! Mr and Mrs Cumbrian Gothic.

After a very long pause Mr Gothic began ...

Mr G "Are you the person in the wheelchair?"

Tin "errr yess?????"

Mrs G "We've never seen someone in a wheelchair get in a car on their own!" (to MrG) "have we?"

Mr G "No we haven't"

Mr G "We never knew people in wheelchairs could be out on their own"

Mrs G "No we didn't know that did we"

The "conversation" continued in this vein for a while.

I am now seriously spooked by this pair! But ever the educator I explain that lots of disabled people drive and are independent.

Then in unison... "We didn't know that did we, thank you" and then they presumably wandered off back to their farmhouse isolated from the 21st century!

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 06:22 PM

Everytime someone makes comments like this described here I can't help but remember the Bill Engvall jokes 'Here's your sign...' Classic example, a trucker gets stuck under a bridge and a cop asks him, 'truck got stuck?'. Trucker replies, 'Nope, I was transporting this here bridge when I broke down.' I'd love to be as quick witted as that when someone says something stupid.

(PS: If I catch someone looking I pull up and back wheel balance for a minute or so, maybe do it one handed and wave at them. Always seems to freak them out.)

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 07:36 AM

Oh well than you'll LOVE this one.......even submitted it to Bill Engval:

I was riding home one day during a busy commute, & this guy looks down at me;
Guy: You're in a wheelchair. Did you have an accident?
Me: Yup.
Guy: Did you got the hospital?
Me: Yeah.
Guy: Did you go in an ambulance?
Me: Nope.......took a cab. HERE'S YOUR SIGN! :badmood: Well maybe you guys will find it funnier than Bill Engval did. :ranting:
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