[twisted_ophelia]

Anyone do it? And any ideas as to where I can get a fourcross bike? I know they are crazy expensive but wondering about makes/models/etc.

During my Fourcross searches on Youtube, I found some videos uploaded by Simon!:

[greybeard]

You have a death wish, I think!

[tspence]

Dont know where to get one ,but that was really cool,Imight just try to build me one.

[Yasko]

I was watching some dude going downhill at Whistler BC during sumer time! Pretty cool!

This post has been edited by Yasko: 20 July 2009 - 02:36 PM

[LuckyinKentucky]

there was another guy from cananda who got one of these a year or two ago. There was a thread on it and everything. I'm thinking maybe he called it a (one off).



Ok i found it but you wee looking for a strictly downhill?.. no propulsion? Regardless there is a link to the guy who custom builds em so I'll bet you can get it how ya like.

here ya gohttp://www.apparelyzed.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4296&hl=downhill

[Texaswheelz]

The one off is more for going uphill then these are, these are for going down hill, two completely different set ups. I wouldn't mind having either, but both are a bit pricey.

[twisted_ophelia]

greybeard, on Jul 20 2009, 04:05 AM, said:

You have a death wish, I think!

No, more like an adrenaline rush addiction.

Yasko, on Jul 20 2009, 10:30 AM, said:

I was watching some dude going downhill at Whistler BC during sumer time! Pretty cool!

Hey, I bet that was Stacy Kohut! He lives in Whistler and he is the guy that builds the R-One bike which I would totally buy if I had an extra 11 THOUSAND DOLLARS. Seriously. His bikes are 11 grand CDN. This is his bike here: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=cJkUiccSDtw and it looks incredible. There are very few people who do Fourcross, maybe because the bikes cost so much.

LuckyinKentucky, on Jul 20 2009, 12:24 PM, said:

there was another guy from cananda who got one of these a year or two ago. There was a thread on it and everything. I'm thinking maybe he called it a (one off).

Ok i found it but you wee looking for a strictly downhill?.. no propulsion? Regardless there is a link to the guy who custom builds em so I'll bet you can get it how ya like.

here ya gohttp://www.apparelyzed.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4296&hl=downhill

Well, I want the one that is designed for doing the downhill mountain biking stuff, yeah. Just jump in and fly. The suspension on those things is incredible. In that video with Trevair, where they show his big landing in slow motion, you can see how much impact it absorbs.

Texaswheelz, on Jul 20 2009, 12:51 PM, said:

The one off is more for going uphill then these are, these are for going down hill, two completely different set ups. I wouldn't mind having either, but both are a bit pricey.

The prices are extraordinary. I think I will maybe start contacting the companies to see if they have any demos for sale but I think my best chance to get one at this point, because I really can't afford the thousands of dollars, is to try get a funding grant from an organization like Challenged Athletes, etc. I already was going to apply to Challenged Athletes for a grant for a Revolution Pro Comp monoski but maybe they will also fund a R-One bike

[Yasko]

Yasko, on Jul 20 2009, 10:30 AM, said:

I was watching some dude going downhill at Whistler BC during sumer time! Pretty cool!

twisted_ophelia, on Jul 20 2009, 10:28 AM, said:

Hey, I bet that was Stacy Kohut! He lives in Whistler and he is the guy that builds the R-One bike which I would totally buy if I had an extra 11 THOUSAND DOLLARS Seriously. His bikes are 11 grand CDN. This is his bike here: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=cJkUiccSDtw and it looks incredible. There are very few people who do Fourcross, maybe because the bikes cost so much.

11 THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!
Damn! That's an expensive toy. No wonder people aren't playing with it!
Thanks for the update Mimi.

This post has been edited by Yasko: 20 July 2009 - 06:49 PM

[twisted_ophelia]

Yasko, on Jul 20 2009, 02:47 PM, said:

Yasko, on Jul 20 2009, 10:30 AM, said:

I was watching some dude going downhill at Whistler BC during sumer time! Pretty cool!

twisted_ophelia, on Jul 20 2009, 10:28 AM, said:

Hey, I bet that was Stacy Kohut! He lives in Whistler and he is the guy that builds the R-One bike which I would totally buy if I had an extra 11 THOUSAND DOLLARS Seriously. His bikes are 11 grand CDN. This is his bike here: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=cJkUiccSDtw and it looks incredible. There are very few people who do Fourcross, maybe because the bikes cost so much.

11 THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!
Damn! That's an expensive toy. No wonder people aren't playing with it!
Thanks for the update Mimi.

Yeah, their website is http://www.r-onefour...m/products.html and when I saw the price, my jaw literally dropped and I went 'oh, crap'. I was thinking they'd maybe be between $6000-7000. I mean, they look awesome but who can afford to get one and join the sport? This is the big problem that I find with most adaptive sporting equipment--it costs a fortune. A good monoski is like $4000. A handcycle is upwards of $3000. Insanity. If these things were more affordable to the average person, I'm sure a lot of people with disabilities would be more active.

[Texaswheelz]

yea the price for all of these different things is just way to much. And AB wants to go play basketball with some friends on Thurdsay after work and then some Tennis on Saturdays, going skiing on the weekends during winter they are going to me out maybe $1500 if they buy a damn expensive racket, boots, bindings and skis. We would easily be out 10k if we wanted to do the same things. It's just crazy. I can get a damn nice used vehicle for what one of those r-ones cost, so trying to explain to my wife why I need a 2k used card for every day use and a 10k special chair for every so often use just doesn't work.

[araitn]

I recently purchased a One-Off Flyer, well, I bought it about three months ago and finally received it the other day.

I took it for the first ride on Saturday. It's really a neat bike and I think I'll get a lot of use out of it. Definitely works the arms, shoulders and back.

Getting on (or in) the bike is a little difficult for me so far. I thought my left thigh muscles were going to pop right out of my skin from being strecthed so far, but my left thigh is in pain 24 hours a day to start with. I'm sure I'll come up with a better mounting procedure over time. Getting off of it was relatively uneventful.

Let me know if you have any questions about the One-Off.


The Fourcross looks like a load of fun! I just don't know how I would get it to the top of a hill to start with. Plus, 11 grand sounds a bit much.

[twisted_ophelia]

Texaswheelz, on Jul 20 2009, 04:53 PM, said:

yea the price for all of these different things is just way to much. And AB wants to go play basketball with some friends on Thurdsay after work and then some Tennis on Saturdays, going skiing on the weekends during winter they are going to me out maybe $1500 if they buy a damn expensive racket, boots, bindings and skis. We would easily be out 10k if we wanted to do the same things. It's just crazy. I can get a damn nice used vehicle for what one of those r-ones cost, so trying to explain to my wife why I need a 2k used card for every day use and a 10k special chair for every so often use just doesn't work.

Yeah, exactly and it's something that makes me really irritated. I feel so strongly that the prices of these things should somehow be lowered--OR that ways should be found to make/manufacture adaptive equipment cheaply yet still having it be durable and of quality--because how on earth can anyone afford to drop upwards of $10,000 on sporting goods unless you have sponsors or grants and the average person doesn't have those things. Like you said, an AB can go out and buy a basketball, tennis rackets, and a pair of skis/bindings, a mountain bike, etc., and off they go whereas we need to buy the chairs, the equipment, and then what, go broke? Now that I've started playing rugby, I'm lucky in that the coach of our little team is a female about my size and is lending me her old chair to play in, and I'm lucky the thing happens to fit me almost perfectly. But the guys on my team? They have to buy their chairs and have to spend upwards of $5000 on them (for a custom made chair). Same with basketball. So I'm hoping I can somehow get my hands on a fourcross bike because I would love to mountain bike with my friends (some of whom are very avid mountain bikers/motocross types). And yeah, I just paid $15,000 for my used Xterra and the R-One is only a few thousand cheaper than that car. Craziness.

araitn, on Jul 20 2009, 06:05 PM, said:

I recently purchased a One-Off Flyer, well, I bought it about three months ago and finally received it the other day.

I took it for the first ride on Saturday. It's really a neat bike and I think I'll get a lot of use out of it. Definitely works the arms, shoulders and back.

Getting on (or in) the bike is a little difficult for me so far. I thought my left thigh muscles were going to pop right out of my skin from being strecthed so far, but my left thigh is in pain 24 hours a day to start with. I'm sure I'll come up with a better mounting procedure over time. Getting off of it was relatively uneventful.

Let me know if you have any questions about the One-Off.


The Fourcross looks like a load of fun! I just don't know how I would get it to the top of a hill to start with. Plus, 11 grand sounds a bit much.

Posts some pics of the One-off if you get a chance, I've love to take a look at it!

This post has been edited by twisted_ophelia: 21 July 2009 - 02:26 AM

[knightrider]

I wouldn't mind giving this a go, looks expensive but i just love a buzz. I'll look into it.

http://www.roughride...uk/club.php#top

[twisted_ophelia]

knightrider, on Jul 20 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

I wouldn't mind giving this a go, looks expensive but i just love a buzz. I'll look into it.

http://www.roughride...uk/club.php#top

Hell yeah! The Rough Riderz website makes me want to move to the UK! You should go for it.

[araitn]

twisted_ophelia, on Jul 20 2009, 10:25 PM, said:

Posts some pics of the One-off if you get a chance, I've love to take a look at it!

[araitn]

[greybeard]

araitn, on Jul 22 2009, 10:53 PM, said:

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I've got to say, that looks really uncomfortable. Is it?

[Texaswheelz]

twisted_ophelia, on Jul 20 2009, 09:25 PM, said:

Yeah, exactly and it's something that makes me really irritated. I feel so strongly that the prices of these things should somehow be lowered--OR that ways should be found to make/manufacture adaptive equipment cheaply yet still having it be durable and of quality--because how on earth can anyone afford to drop upwards of $10,000 on sporting goods unless you have sponsors or grants and the average person doesn't have those things. Like you said, an AB can go out and buy a basketball, tennis rackets, and a pair of skis/bindings, a mountain bike, etc., and off they go whereas we need to buy the chairs, the equipment, and then what, go broke? Now that I've started playing rugby, I'm lucky in that the coach of our little team is a female about my size and is lending me her old chair to play in, and I'm lucky the thing happens to fit me almost perfectly. But the guys on my team? They have to buy their chairs and have to spend upwards of $5000 on them (for a custom made chair). Same with basketball. So I'm hoping I can somehow get my hands on a fourcross bike because I would love to mountain bike with my friends (some of whom are very avid mountain bikers/motocross types). And yeah, I just paid $15,000 for my used Xterra and the R-One is only a few thousand cheaper than that car. Craziness.

Yep, I have both some ones else's old basketball and tennis chairs. The tennis one is a real pain as it doesn't have a wheelie bar and isn't adjustable, if I even thinking of falling over backwards I'm gone because of how far up the had the rear axle's placed. It's a constant fight to keep from falling over while playing so i'm not doing anywhere near as good as I could, but it was free and works better then my daily chair. The basketball one is like 10 years old and completely adjustable, so much so that it probably adds 10 lbs in hardware, but again it's free to use. One of these days I'd love to buy all the toys, hell one of these days I would love to start a non-profit organization to purchase sports chairs for those in need. Already have a name for it and everything.

I think on some of those four cross races they ride the ski lifts up, other then that, I hope the hell they get a tow behind a 4wheeler or something.

[araitn]

greybeard, on Jul 22 2009, 05:58 PM, said:

I've got to say, that looks really uncomfortable. Is it?

Getting on/in it is uncomfortable. Like I typed earlier, I still need to find a good way of mounting it without making my left leg feel like it's going to explode.

Riding is comfortable. The only bit of irritation came from the chest pad but, as with any other new exercise, I expect some soreness initially. There's memory foam in the chest pad that could probably stand to be a little thicker. If I continue to have problems, I plan on putting some Roho cushioning on top of the foam.

It takes some getting use to steering while "pedaling" up hill. The chest pad is set up to do the steering when your hands are not on the handle bars. So, you have to lean with your upper body in the direction you want to go. Or, you can pedal with one hand and steer with the other. I've not quite mastered that but, I'm sure it's just a matter of practice.

The mountain drive system is awesome. There's a steep hill in my yard and after switching into the mountain drive I can pedal up it with using only one hand. The brakes are very stout also. Disc brakes on all three wheels. It has Phil Wood hubs that should last a very long time, along with other quality components.

I hope to get a lot of use out of the One Off. The main reason I purchased it is to be able to get back on the trails with my brothers and friends on their mountain bikes. Yeah, I'll always be the last in line but, at least I'll be out there.

[twisted_ophelia]

Texaswheelz, on Jul 22 2009, 08:59 PM, said:

Yep, I have both some ones else's old basketball and tennis chairs. The tennis one is a real pain as it doesn't have a wheelie bar and isn't adjustable, if I even thinking of falling over backwards I'm gone because of how far up the had the rear axle's placed. It's a constant fight to keep from falling over while playing so i'm not doing anywhere near as good as I could, but it was free and works better then my daily chair. The basketball one is like 10 years old and completely adjustable, so much so that it probably adds 10 lbs in hardware, but again it's free to use. One of these days I'd love to buy all the toys, hell one of these days I would love to start a non-profit organization to purchase sports chairs for those in need. Already have a name for it and everything.

I think on some of those four cross races they ride the ski lifts up, other then that, I hope the hell they get a tow behind a 4wheeler or something.

My everyday chair is extremely tippy because of the CoG and how far forward I've brought the rear axle bar. Makes for GREAT agility but going over backwards is never fun. Sounds awesome about the nonprofit you'd like to start up. I'm in the same boat--want to start up a nonprofit that gets funding for those wanting to do more "extreme sports". More organizations like that are needed!

Araitn, your one-off looks sweet! Uncomfortable but awesome.

Okay, so today I was talking to someone about Fourcross and how expensive the bikes are. And he goes "Well, how about just getting a dune buggy and ripping the engine out of it?!" and I think it might actually be a good idea! I'm thinking of attempting to build my own version of a Fourcross bike, using my old chair. I need someone who knows about building chairs and about building mountain bikes, put them together, and maybe we can all work something out. But, the dune buggy idea? Sounds kind of silly at first BUT it could work! I told him I was gonna find a used dune buggy and get him to pull the engine out and we'll see what happens. Lo and behold, I just found one for sale for $850 right in my area! Sure is cheaper than 11 grand! I emailed the guy who is selling it to get some pics. With some experimentation, I bet we could fashion a downhill fourcross style handcycle!

[Yasko]

twisted_ophelia, on Jul 23 2009, 09:21 PM, said:

Texaswheelz, on Jul 22 2009, 08:59 PM, said:

Yep, I have both some ones else's old basketball and tennis chairs. The tennis one is a real pain as it doesn't have a wheelie bar and isn't adjustable, if I even thinking of falling over backwards I'm gone because of how far up the had the rear axle's placed. It's a constant fight to keep from falling over while playing so i'm not doing anywhere near as good as I could, but it was free and works better then my daily chair. The basketball one is like 10 years old and completely adjustable, so much so that it probably adds 10 lbs in hardware, but again it's free to use. One of these days I'd love to buy all the toys, hell one of these days I would love to start a non-profit organization to purchase sports chairs for those in need. Already have a name for it and everything.

I think on some of those four cross races they ride the ski lifts up, other then that, I hope the hell they get a tow behind a 4wheeler or something.

My everyday chair is extremely tippy because of the CoG and how far forward I've brought the rear axle bar. Makes for GREAT agility but going over backwards is never fun. Sounds awesome about the nonprofit you'd like to start up. I'm in the same boat--want to start up a nonprofit that gets funding for those wanting to do more "extreme sports". More organizations like that are needed!

Araitn, your one-off looks sweet! Uncomfortable but awesome.

Okay, so today I was talking to someone about Fourcross and how expensive the bikes are. And he goes "Well, how about just getting a dune buggy and ripping the engine out of it?!" and I think it might actually be a good idea! I'm thinking of attempting to build my own version of a Fourcross bike, using my old chair. I need someone who knows about building chairs and about building mountain bikes, put them together, and maybe we can all work something out. But, the dune buggy idea? Sounds kind of silly at first BUT it could work! I told him I was gonna find a used dune buggy and get him to pull the engine out and we'll see what happens. Lo and behold, I just found one for sale for $850 right in my area! Sure is cheaper than 11 grand! I emailed the guy who is selling it to get some pics. With some experimentation, I bet we could fashion a downhill fourcross style handcycle!

"dune buggy" I don't know about it? It's to heavy and wide. I would stay rather with idea of putting two older chairs together. Good luck Mimi.

[twisted_ophelia]

Yasko, on Jul 24 2009, 09:34 AM, said:

"dune buggy" I don't know about it? It's to heavy and wide. I would stay rather with idea of putting two older chairs together. Good luck Mimi.

I am still waiting for the guy who is selling it to send me some pics. If it doesn't work as a Fourcross-type bike, I'm sure I'll think of some way to have fun with it, even if the engine has been pulled out! How do brakes work on dune buggies? Do you guys know? I would probably like to have some kind of hand braking system on the thing as it's going down the mountain with me in it, haha.

Or, with putting something together with my old chair, I would probably need to buy a mountain bike and start pulling the parts off of that. The most important parts I guess would be the steering and the suspension. Hmmm. I'll need to take a closer look at those R-Ones that Stacy Kohut makes.

This post has been edited by twisted_ophelia: 24 July 2009 - 03:59 PM

[Yasko]

twisted_ophelia, on Jul 24 2009, 08:57 AM, said:

Yasko, on Jul 24 2009, 09:34 AM, said:

"dune buggy" I don't know about it? It's to heavy and wide. I would stay rather with idea of putting two older chairs together. Good luck Mimi.

I am still waiting for the guy who is selling it to send me some pics. If it doesn't work as a Fourcross-type bike, I'm sure I'll think of some way to have fun with it, even if the engine has been pulled out! How do brakes work on dune buggies? Do you guys know? I would probably like to have some kind of hand braking system on the thing as it's going down the mountain with me in it, haha.

Or, with putting something together with my old chair, I would probably need to buy a mountain bike and start pulling the parts off of that. The most important parts I guess would be the steering and the suspension. Hmmm. I'll need to take a closer look at those R-Ones that Stacy Kohut makes.

...as for brakes, take a look at this web site for your reference

[twisted_ophelia]

Yasko, on Jul 24 2009, 12:11 PM, said:

...as for brakes, take a look at this web site for your reference

Ohh, okay, thank you! I'm kind of excited. I'm going to see my friend later and he's probably going to be surprised that I actually found an old dune buggy. Neither of us has any idea whatsoever what we're doing. He knows about cars though so I'm sure something can be figured out. I'm totally gonna make him do this, if I buy that old dune buggy!

[BradC]

I ran into the cost problems with trying to buy one too, so I built one and I have a full set of plans for building one. You can have them if you have acess t a machine shop. Since building the proto type I can tell you where the problems are that need improvement. Here is a link that shows the bike while under construction. I built the bike for around $3,500

Visit My Website

[edlee]

The dune buggy idea sound pretty good, if it's narrow enough,,, but why take the engine out??? You'll need something to get you back to the top of the hill,, why not the engine?

All you need is a way to take it out of gear, so that you are free wheeling down the course. The nice part is that most of the dune buggies I've seen have a roll cage, while most of the four wheeled down hill bikes I've seen,, don't.

But, then,, you are the one whose horse fell on her a while back, aren't you? Why would you want a roll cage?

Brad,, I'd love to get a look at those plans,,, I probably wouldn't get it built,,, but I really like to see how things are put together.

Haven't looked at your site yet,, going there next.
ed

[twisted_ophelia]

edlee, on Jul 24 2009, 03:16 PM, said:

The dune buggy idea sound pretty good, if it's narrow enough,,, but why take the engine out??? You'll need something to get you back to the top of the hill,, why not the engine?

All you need is a way to take it out of gear, so that you are free wheeling down the course. The nice part is that most of the dune buggies I've seen have a roll cage, while most of the four wheeled down hill bikes I've seen,, don't.

But, then,, you are the one whose horse fell on her a while back, aren't you? Why would you want a roll cage?

Brad,, I'd love to get a look at those plans,,, I probably wouldn't get it built,,, but I really like to see how things are put together.

Haven't looked at your site yet,, going there next.
ed

Hmmm. Interesting. I've never attempted to drive a dune buggy down a mountain bike course (but then again, who has?!). I know that with the fourcross bikes and regular bikes, if you bike at ski hills in the off season, they just take them up on the chair lifts. Probably not possible with a dune buggy! I was thinking about the roll cage, it would be a nice little safety bonus. I would want it to free wheel down the course, as close to a bike as possible, so I guess really the only thing is experimentation. Try it with the engine, and out of gear, and then if that's not working, take the engine out... lots of interesting possibilities.

Yep, I'm the one who's horse fell on her. That was last weekend. I would still want the roll cage. Actually, it's not so much that I WANT a roll cage, I just wouldn't mind that it's there and wouldn't take it off.

Thanks for the link, Brad! I will check it out!

[LuckyinKentucky]

So you trying to get some new apparalyzed recruits T.O..... just thinking about the unfortunate biker your careening down a mountain behind in a 1000 lb cage on wheels. Definitely a Kodak moment or better yet youtube.

[twisted_ophelia]

LuckyinKentucky, on Jul 28 2009, 02:59 AM, said:

So you trying to get some new apparalyzed recruits T.O..... just thinking about the unfortunate biker your careening down a mountain behind in a 1000 lb cage on wheels. Definitely a Kodak moment or better yet youtube.

That mountain biker would probably end up being the guy who's idea it was in the first place. I'll try not to run him over. Maybe it's safer if he goes BEHIND.

*If* we actually build this thing (it will take a while), the first run will most definitely be photographed and video taped. Hell, I should even make a documentary out of it. It's actually kind of funny the reactions I've been getting from friends when I say stuff like, "So, I think I'm gonna try build a mountain biking handcycle out of a dune buggy." They range from shock, to them thinking I'm totally f*@king with them and joking, to suggestions for how to make it work. The last suggestion I got from my ex was to get a set of portable hand controls (for cars) to use as a braking system since dune buggys have foot pedals for gas/brake. Most people think the idea won't work. I think it will! Won't know til we try and then test the thing out. I'm also going to ask the dudes at this bike shop I go to if they think I could use my old chair and a mountain bike put them together somehow as a Fourcross bike. It's all about experimentation at this point since I have absolutely NO IDEA WHATSOEVER what I am doing.

[Texaswheelz]

Just to be sure we are thinking of the same thing. When you say Dune Buggy I am thinking it will be rather large, most of em I've seen have been 2 seaters, although there are some single seated ones that I'm sure you'd use. But they are still much bigger then what I would think would fit on a trail. A Go Cart on the other hand might be what you crazy canucks consider a Dune Buggy? This I can see working if done right.

Dune Buggy:




Go Cart: