[Slowlegs]

qbounce, on Aug 17 2009, 01:12 AM, said:

It looks promising, but still new, technologically speaking. In light of McCann's FDA info, I took it upon myself to look up the Walkaide website. They sell their device with NO WARRENTY. It's an "AS IS" sale, and anything that goes wrong with the merchandise must be covered by the buyer.

It appears that things do work, but not for very long. I'm guessing they need to build a few more prototypes before getting it right for mass production. Just read the bottom of the main page in BOLD TYPE.

Wow, that was a concern to me but when I checked it out the warranty disclaimer seems to mention the site material, not the walkaide itself. I am usually pretty good deciphering legal speak so if anyone else wants to check it out, please read it at http://www.walkaide.com/legal.html .Don't they say you've got to eat a lot of lemons to find an orange or something like that? That would certainly put me off for sure if it were about the product itself but to me it doesn't look like it is. I may be wrong which is why I have posted the link so others can perhaps take a look and give their opinion on it. Personally I would love to see a device similar to this to deal with plantar strength (pushing down) because I suffer this on my opposite foot. That way jogging (one other on my recovery wish list) may just be possible.

[Jax]

Slowlegs, on Aug 12 2009, 02:24 AM, said:

Shout out please those who wouldn't be walking again if it were humanly possible for them to.

Me. I'm too freaking lazy now to walk. That and the girls like sitting in my lap. Like I've said before, I'd settle for being able to feel my d!ck.

[StillFingers]

Fair enough McCann...personal comments finished, good luck, be well. Jerry

This post has been edited by StillFingers: 17 August 2009 - 04:01 PM

[qbounce]

Slowlegs, on Aug 17 2009, 12:19 AM, said:

qbounce, on Aug 17 2009, 01:12 AM, said:

It looks promising, but still new, technologically speaking. In light of McCann's FDA info, I took it upon myself to look up the Walkaide website. They sell their device with NO WARRENTY. It's an "AS IS" sale, and anything that goes wrong with the merchandise must be covered by the buyer.

It appears that things do work, but not for very long. I'm guessing they need to build a few more prototypes before getting it right for mass production. Just read the bottom of the main page in BOLD TYPE.

Wow, that was a concern to me but when I checked it out the warranty disclaimer seems to mention the site material, not the walkaide itself. I am usually pretty good deciphering legal speak so if anyone else wants to check it out, please read it at http://www.walkaide.com/legal.html .Don't they say you've got to eat a lot of lemons to find an orange or something like that? That would certainly put me off for sure if it were about the product itself but to me it doesn't look like it is. I may be wrong which is why I have posted the link so others can perhaps take a look and give their opinion on it. Personally I would love to see a device similar to this to deal with plantar strength (pushing down) because I suffer this on my opposite foot. That way jogging (one other on my recovery wish list) may just be possible.

Snap!!! Slowleggs,
I'd like to think that I know of what I speak, but you are ABSOLUTELY right about the companies disclaimer for THIRD PARTY WARRANTIES. I absolutely misread that one. Sorry about that!!

Hey Jerry,
Most of us have had it with the Salesman's schtick, but he'll probably bury himself, eventually.

This post has been edited by qbounce: 17 August 2009 - 07:13 PM

[Slowlegs]

Jax, on Aug 17 2009, 08:10 AM, said:

Slowlegs, on Aug 12 2009, 02:24 AM, said:

Shout out please those who wouldn't be walking again if it were humanly possible for them to.

Me. I'm too freaking lazy now to walk. That and the girls like sitting in my lap. Like I've said before, I'd settle for being able to feel my d!ck.

Amen to that brother, wishlist number 1 for me too. LOL

[McCann]

As per needed and your request Jerry B.

Actually if the link is properly followed you will get to the spot mentioned. If you do not get there directly the FDA may have moved it.

I am not putting down the product simply stating where and how people should and can find credible information.

I have no personal problems with the company or product. What I state is my supported opinion by documents, research, experiences and perspectives of mine and others("users") and only want people to know where to see and/or find information. Problem is the deadline dates given for corrective actions to take place; some meet them while others don't/fail.

Try this link to go view the FDA's warning letter and quality system violations (view the date also):

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementAction.../ucm1048075.htm

Also, regarding what Qbounce stated about third party references is correct but please remember to read all fine print. It also states regarding the use of and the results of the walkaide prior to speaking of the third parties. Follow the link Qbounce posted and read it carefully. Thanks for the find/post. And as for me "burying myself" as your statement my response is,

I'm not afraid of dieing but more so of not trying!

[Slowlegs]

Actually McCann, if you read the material again the "materials" mentioned are about the website and its' contents, not the materials available from the website. Materials being of course being the intellectual property, information available on the website. Maintenance and repair being the maintenance and repair required to fix any server, computer or other electronic componently damaged or altered as a result of using the website (howsoever caused), not the walk aide. After years of reading memorandi of lease, mortgage documents and writing clauses for my company to preclude us from liability I am pretty sure I am right. I have included some of the info from the site.

PLEASE READ THESE LEGAL POLICIES CAREFULLY.
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Note to apparelyzed users: As far as I can tell, "No materials from", not "No materials from or available through or from"

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Note to apparelyzed users: The way I read it, materials contained in this website for the purpose of this document will be called "the innovative neurotronics material"[/i] In other words, any time you see the words "the Innovative Neurotronics Material" they seem to me to refer to the contents of this website, not the walk aide.

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Sorry to everyone who finds this boring but in my opinion it is the difference between there being no warranty on materials on this website as opposed to no warranty on items on the physical product this website refers to. One indicates a company covering its butt with regard to viruses and accuracy of information (remember all the technical info you probably didn't read when signing up to Facebook or MSN?) and the other referring of course to there being no warranty on physical objects (ie the walkaide) available through this website. There is a fundamental difference between the two I believe and I believe most people who are reading this thread with a genuine interest in finding out about the walkaide should be concerned with warranties on the walkaide (which it does seem have either been having some issues with faults with their product or problems documenting quality control and resolution of faults in their products). This doesn't necessarily mean the Walk aide does or doesn't work or has quality or safety issues. Who knows though, someone may still spontaneously combust while filling their car at the gas station? New products almost undoubtedly have some safety or teething issues.

For the others who missed it, the full other post McCann started which sort of relates to the walk aide is at http://www.apparelyzed.com/forums/index.ph...561&hl=Ptii

This post has been edited by Slowlegs: 19 August 2009 - 06:12 PM

[gaza.mccann]

Evening All,

Pretty new to all this forum business.

July 2007 - RTA - C4-C6 Incomplete Brown Sequard Loss of function on my left side and loss of sensation on my right side from my chest down.

I thought I'd share my views on the devices mentioned in this thread.

Following my accident I spent several months on bed rest with very little signs of movement. Scans suggested I had a slight lesion on the spinal cord, however as the swelling began to diminish I began to regain suttle movements.

February 2008 I was out of hospital on two elbow crutches Apart from the obviious bowel and bladder complications etc. my main difficulty has been drop foot on my left side.

I was provided with odstock's ODFS which consists of two pads, a foot switch, and the machine itself.
I found this equipment's good result's were very intermittent, especially with the placement of the PAD's resulting in different results everyday - trying to get them positioned correctly every morning became near on impossible (even when drawing around the pads the evening before). Over time I have lost faith in this solution and rarely use it when I'm walking.

Over the past months, much like yourselves have seen the walkaide and bioness advertised. Keen to explore these new opportunities.

I first trialed the Walkaide at the begin of september. Much to my dissapointment, although the concept being fantastic, I felt it lacked in many areas.

-Inability to pause the device when sitting down or bending down
-Tiltometer often triggered for no reason or before lifting the heel. (this could be solved using the foot switch however removes the idea of wireless use)
-With very little hand function on my left I found it near on impossible putting this on with one hand, without moving the placement as i pulled the velcro strap tight.

Very close to being great and eliminating many of the flaws with existing equipment but yet so far.

Rather than giving up, i am currently trialing the bioness L300.

My 2nd day with the device - So far So good

All the flaws of the others are non existent and I'm gutted that in a weeks time I'm going to have to hand it back.

It's training facility has left me with a very tired and achey leg LOL probably been a little over enthusiastic with the remote
I'm thinking and hoping this is a good sign that my muscle is just not used to working as hard as it has been.
I'm fully aware I'm very lucky this bit of kit is wiorking for myself and everybody's case is different but I would recommend thus far.

I was just wondering if anybody else, has had similar experiences? And if anyone has managed to secure funding through the NHS here in the UK?

Kind Regards
Gary