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#1 russ1

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Posted 02 March 2006 - 08:49 PM

We recently flew to the US with BA and had a dreadful experience. BA have not seen fit to reply to our complaint so I have decided that I'll cause as much flack as possible - starting with all the disabled web sites. Below is the post that I've drafted - could I ask for your help proof reading it - does it make sense - could it be improved and lastly do people have suggestions for places to post or or suggestions as to where to get a wider audience outside the narrow internet disabled community?

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British Airways treating disabled people as an unwanted underclass.

Myself and another paraplegic wheelchair user booked return flights from Heathrow to Denver leaving on Jan 23rd and returning on Feb 4th with British Airways. At the time of booking and again during the week before flying BA were very clearly informed that we two paraplegics flying unaccompanied and would need assistance to embark and disembark the plane.

We checked in reported at the gate early as requested expecting to board prior to the main body of passengers as we had both done before with other airlines. At the last minute and after talking to the cabin crew with a view to getting us into our seats the gate attendant came to us to inform us that we were not to be allowed to board the plane as we did not have a able bodied companion to help us to the on board toilet should we need it. We assured the gate attendant that there was absolutely no way we would need the toilet and asked him to get the chief steward who was refusing to allow us to board to come to speak with us. A number of to and fro trips ensued for the gate attendant between us and the steward who refused to budge from his position or to actually speak directly with us even though he was only about 20m away, reinforcing his position by showing the gate attendant the rule book which gave him the authority to refuse us. After about half an hour and as a last resort we went through the whole embarrassing medical reasons (catheters and leg bags) as to why we could absolutely guarantee we would not need the toilet. The gate attendant then spotted that there was an exception for people with catheters and went back to negotiate with the steward. We were at last told we could board. As a last insult the Steward asked us to make sure that we didn’t remove our catheters during the flight – As if! We then had to be manhandled into our seats in the midst of everyone else boarding.

On our return we were again embarked in the midst of everyone else. Then our chairs were taken from the hold to baggage reclaim and we were told in no uncertain terms that we were going to be pushed in the transit chairs through the airport like inconvenient pieces of luggage in spite of our requests for our chairs to be fetched for us. The staff allocated to us getting quite aggressive in their responses to our requests for our dignity to be respected.

All of the above goes against the Department of Transport Guidance dated March 2003, ‘Access to Air Travel for Disabled People - Code of Practice’

http://www.dft.gov.u...lity_507855.pdf

It’s clear that this is either a BA ploy to try to discourage disabled passengers or the result of untrained uncaring staff. I have sent a 5 page letter of complaint to BA which they as yet have not even seen fit to acknowledge after 2 weeks.

What to do? Publicising this as much as possible to warn other disabled passengers not to travel with BA seems like they’re achieving exactly what they want to and not having to have the inconvenience of disabled passengers. I can’t use the DDA because as I understand it Air Travel isn’t covered. So all I can do is try to get every person – disabled or able bodied who reads this and thinks that our National Airline really ought to be treating disabled people with just a little respect and sensitivity and not as inconvenient bits of baggage to choose another airline wherever possible.

If you want to read the whole letter of complaint it's here
Letter of Complaint

Edited by russ1, 02 March 2006 - 09:04 PM.

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 08:15 AM

What can I say Russ? Hellish way for anyone to be treated. I have not had any bother when flying with BA but will be re-considerng my position now.

Gary

PS tried Watchdog on the telly? Or even the papers?

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 08:18 AM

Sorry, a bit forgetful these days. Meant to say that when flying in US I have always been treated courteously by all staff in the airports.

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 11:03 AM

Howdy Russ

This is an afterthought - 2 in fact.

Have you thought about ABTA to lodge your complaint with. Or some higher authority that looks after BA? It wsa a suggestion that a workmate made.

I noted from your letter you are BSc (Hons) CEng MICE. Very impressive. Same qualifs as my brother. Can I be so bold as to ask if you still work in engineering? If not, what do you work at. I only ask because just recently an "unofficial" survey was carried out at the hospital where I work to find out how many paras are actually in gainful employment. I consider myself very luckly that I can still "put people under" from a wheelchair. Indeed, I find it puts the patients at ease when they see the "gas man" in a wheelchair.

Aw ra best buddy.

Gary

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 11:17 AM

I had a similar experience returning from Canada last year.

I am a wheelchair user and was flying on my own - as I have done many many times before!

There was no problem on the way out but on the way home they said it was against BA policy to assist me to the toilet.

Eventually I did board but wrote a very comprehensive complaint letter to the Chairman and Director of Customer Services; both of whom I got names for and addressed it to them personally.

I have a letter of apology which clearly states it is BAs policy to assist and that the situation should not have arisen.

I now carry this letter with me on all flights!

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 11:25 AM

Any chance you can get a scan of that letter and let me have a copy - if what you say is true then it's even worse than I thought and I'll really go to town on them.

If you don't mind me asking do you need to use the toilet in flight and do you use an indwelling catheter for flying?

Thankyou very much for your input
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 11:31 AM

Gary - yep I still work. I'm lucky in that I'm a director of a small construction company that I half own. I do all the estimating and pricing so it's a desk based job. I only do 3 days a week as I'd find it too much to work full time.

I'm not sure if ABTA cover BA but I'll look into finding out if they do of if there's some other body that performs a similar role. Thankyou for the suggestion
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 12:28 PM

I don't have a scanner but happy to send you through a copy. Back Up / Dave & Larnie have my contact details.

Yes - do need to use the toilet on board but if you don't mind I wont publish the whys and wherefores on the net!

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 12:34 PM

The letter came from Rod Eddington, Chief Exec.


"our policy is to provide as much assistance as possible to wheelchair passengers like yourself. It is normal practice for our ground staff to transfer the passenger from their own wheelchair to our onboard wheelchair for seating on the aircraft. Once in the air, our cabin crew will push the onboard wheelchair around the cabin, including to the toilets. I was therefore surprised to read that Carl Gardiner, our Cabin Services Director had refused this assistance as it is part of the services we offer."

I am currently doing some work with a company who is involved in access and training; I am thinking David might be interested in supporting a legal case here. He is a lawyer.

Would be happy to chat through with you.

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 12:39 PM

Helen - email me at "bacom at russp dot co dot uk" and I'll send you my address - thanks a bundle.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 02:15 PM

Emailed you a while back - can you let me know you got it so I know I got your address right?

Thanks,

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 02:50 PM

Hi everyone. We're new to this so please be gentle with us! Luke's a T5 para and I'm a physio (but never his thank god!) and we've been together for 12 months now. We met at wheelchair basketball where Luke plays and I act as team physio and fitness coach (basically I bully them and take no messing especially from Luke!)

Really worried to hear about this BA thing. We're travelling to the states in June with two paras, one abled body (that's me!) and 4 wheelchairs! I know that's greedy of us but it's for a wheelchair basketball camp. It's the first time I've ever done this so I'm a liittle worried about your posting. :D

On a slightly different matter we booked a very romantic fortnight away at Sandals St Lucia with Tradewinds. We'd checked the brochure (and Luke's been to the hotel before) and there is absolutely no problems with disabled access etc. Booking went fine - even spoke to someone at Tradewinds and no problems.

About 2 weeks later the travel agent phoned and told us that Tradewinds wouldn't confirm our booking as the resort was not suitable and wouldn't guarantee a ground floor room even though this was August 2005 and the holiday isn't til October 2006! They also wanted to know if Luke could walk enough to get on a minibus for the transfer!

After lots of arguing and shouting and still nothing done, letters got sent to Tradewinds and Sandals no replies received still 6 months later.

To cut a very long story short it took me completely losing it in the middle of a very busy travel agents for them to contact the hotel direct. A reply was nearly instant - no problem with a ground floor room, transfers will be sorted and the hotel completely wheelchair friendly - which we already knew. I have never tried to organise anything so simple which turned out so stressful.

My advice to anyone do your research and stand for no messing (excuse the pun!) I've found that a really loud voice in a really busy travel agents works a treat. Also mentioning the DDA also has a really good effect!

Speak to you all soon Claire x

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 05:57 PM

As you have an able bodied person travelling with the group it's not going to be an issue for you. This only applies to disabled people travelling unaccompanied.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:14 PM

Hi Russ,

Since my husband Avi's accident 6.5 years ag (T11 para) we've flown many times - him also as part of the Israel wheelchair basketball team - the only time we have ever encountered trouble was the one time we flew to Heathrow and back with BA - they wouldn't keep his chair on board, he had to be pushed to the bggage claim area (couldn't even push himself as airport chair had 4 tiny wheels...) and guess what - when we finally got to the baggage claim, had to wait foor over an hour for his chair which they couldn't find and thought that they had left in Israel.... infuriating! Since then we've only flown El Al (Israel's national carrier) and have had much better service.... although a para friend of ours who was returning from Australia to Israel with El Al ended up suing them because of their treatment too.... just can't win. :ranting:

Keep us posted about BA's reply.

Rosalie




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