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[Courtney]

Myssa,
Pieces of exercise equipment that I would reccomend......a vita glide, a rickshaw and an uppertone. That and free weights and weight bars with cuff straps. Duke had to "let go" of the body that he had. He was able to do a 12 mile road march in and hour and a half in FULL BATTLE GEAR! He was a military mechanic working on/under/over pieces of massive equipment, jumping on and off of them and climbing all over them...... None of this is to diminish what Brady is feeling, because it is part of the "recovery" process. But EVERY quad/para goes through this.

[Myssa]

I spoke to the surgeon who does all my work and said he wouldn't feel right putting implants in Brady. That was like music to my ears, Brady had mentioned that he would only go for it if my surgoun would do the work. Let's just hope he keeps with what he said.

[edlee]

While I certainly believe that your body is your own,, and no one else's buisness,,, unless you deem it so,,,, The phrase about " my surgeon" ,,, sounding all too much like " my hairdresser",, does worry me.

Perhaps it's time for a new definition of who he is,,, besides his body image, I mean.
ed

[kdenon01]

I am surprised by the men dissing on fake boobies. I got mine about 6 mos. ago and couldn't be happier. One isn't larger than the other, nipples are nice and centered and even....lol I think they look damn good. =] If a guy hates on fake boobies, it is just because they haven't seen a job well done.

Anywho, In response the the OP..People will give you a million reasons not to get plastic surgery. You do it for yourself, not other people. Make sure he does plenty of research on every aspect of the surgery.

[Slowlegs]

I am surprised by the men dissing on fake boobies. I got mine about 6 mos. ago and couldn't be happier. One isn't larger than the other, nipples are nice and centered and even....lol I think they look damn good. =] If a guy hates on fake boobies, it is just because they haven't seen a job well done.

Anywho, In response the the OP..People will give you a million reasons not to get plastic surgery. You do it for yourself, not other people. Make sure he does plenty of research on every aspect of the surgery.

Well without seeing the "before and after shots" I couldn't possibly comment so I suppose I will have to take you at face value. Seriously though, looking at some plastic surgery statistics at http://www.surgery.o...edia/statistics it is not surprising. According to the graph at
http://www.surgery.o...Top5_Gender.pdf only around nine percent of plastic surgeries in the United States are men which could mean we just aren't as interested in it. Mind you I did see another survey which said women are tending to look more attractive for longer so perhaps that has a lot to do with it too and as the majority of surgeries are breast implants, perhaps they do make women more attractive.

[Myssa]

While I certainly believe that your body is your own,, and no one else's buisness,,, unless you deem it so,,,, The phrase about " my surgeon" ,,, sounding all too much like " my hairdresser",, does worry me.

Perhaps it's time for a new definition of who he is,,, besides his body image, I mean.
ed

What else is there to call him but my surgoun, and we would only trust him because we know he does good work. I've been going to him since the age of 16.

Edited by Myssa, 11 October 2009 - 07:19 PM.

[Ratticis]

Another very sad statement.

Why is it that women seem so convinced that plastic surgery makes them more attractive to men but when most men say it doesn't they get defensive and call them liars? Perhaps the're only fooling themselves.

[kdenon01]

Another very sad statement.

Why is it that women seem so convinced that plastic surgery makes them more attractive to men but when most men say it doesn't they get defensive and call them liars? Perhaps the're only fooling themselves.

Perhaps most of us women genuinely do cosmetic procedures for ourselves..and not for men.

[gordonr]

Ratticus,

The prettier a woman is, the more power she has over men.

It is natural for the female to desire more power. And it is natural (although not very smart) for the male to wish to limit the relative power of "his" female. The extreme case would be the Taliban and the Orthodox Jews, who think it is a virtue to keep their women absolutely frightenningly ugly. But we are all a little like these traditionalists. If your woman is a fat c*nt with hair growing on her face, missing teeth sagging tits and gross stretch marks, you are not as likley to feel threatenned by the presence of other males, and will not be likely to give in on budget discussions. But if your woman is downright hot, you will be driven, not only to share the wealth, but to proactively pamper her with presents.

These are facts. And women may be silly, but they are not stupid.

This desire to improve their attractiveness is evolutionarily hardwired into all women in all cultures at all times. It is literally more powerful than their reasonable impulse to resist. This is the origin of those unhealthy manifestations of the quest for beauty, such as eating disorders and self torture through excessive exercise and the pain and expense of serial surgeries that ultimately add little or nothing to the hotness of the package.

Any thoughtful person will realize that Michael Jackson, or any other of his/her favorite pop stars does not really look any better after his/her 39th surgery.

And there is another little problem that arises when you can't make a downpayment on a home but realize that the "program" has cost thirty grand over the last ten years, or that right now, the 2,000 she absolutely needs for yet another lippo is the same 2,000 little Johnny needs to help him pay his tuition.

Therefore there is a time to draw a line in the sand.

But women are not masters of themselves any more than men are. The same silliness that men demonstrate in being manipulated by attractive women, "following the wrong head" as the saying goes, is the reciprocal silliness for that shown by women who go to exagerrated, even ridiculous lengths, to work, spend, and suffer their way to greater attractiveness, even as the laws of physics and ageing make these efforts vain.

And in the end, the affection between man and woman depends on overlooking, forgiving, and from time to time, frankly humouring these silly (yet deadly serious) evolutionary desires.

Best Regards,

Gordon

[kdenon01]

Also...to Ratticus..
I do not believe that ALL men like big breasts, or fake breasts. Everyone has different preferences. But please don't make it seem like NO men like big, fake breasts.

[Ratticis]

When did I ever say that NO man is that shallow. Sadly, a large number of people are. But in the same token, there are people out there who do realize that a person exists beyond the physical. One would think that those with an SCI would realize that more than others, but evidently not.
And I'm not saying this because I want to "maintain power" or "control" over women or because I'm trying to make excuses for being ugly. I know I'm not the best looking guy in the world, but I'm not ugly either. I am happy with my life, and my goals havn't really changed, just how I have to go about some of them. Ultimately it's anyones own choice what they want to do with their body, but I can't see myself ever doing something like that. Anyways, good luck and I hope your happy with your decisions

[gordonr]

When did I ever say that NO man is that shallow. Sadly, a large number of people are. But in the same token, there are people out there who do realize that a person exists beyond the physical. One would think that those with an SCI would realize that more than others, but evidently not.
And I'm not saying this because I want to "maintain power" or "control" over women or because I'm trying to make excuses for being ugly. I know I'm not the best looking guy in the world, but I'm not ugly either. I am happy with my life, and my goals havn't really changed, just how I have to go about some of them. Ultimately it's anyones own choice what they want to do with their body, but I can't see myself ever doing something like that. Anyways, good luck and I hope your happy with your decisions

Ratt,

I agree with you. And just about all the other men who have answered do to. The exception being JohnnyV who is also obsessed with the idea of walking again and not at all accepting of himself as a gimp.

On the other hand, what makes sense to us men does not make the same sense to the ladies. We can hope that they wil understand our point of view, but we can not expect that they will ever agree. Their DNA is al stacked against it.

Knowing this it may be futile to say, but I will anyway...


Myssa: IF yo ucould lay off the Anorexia and extremem body consciusness just a little, it might help Brady to do the same thing.


Best Regards,

Gordon

P.S. kdenon01: I'm sure I would love your fake boobs. But I would love all the other parts that are not fake too.

[kdenon01]

Thank you Gordon

P.S.
I'm not nearly as shallow as what I sound. =P

[gordonr]

P.S.
I'm not nearly as shallow as what I sound. =P

I'm aware of that. I have read your other posts. You are doing a good job and have a good life. Kudos.

Your profile says you want a family. My wife and I tried all sorts of options and after a few years went the adoption route. It is a fantasticly motivating thing to have kids. I most warmly encourage you to go for it.

Remember all this body/attraction stuff is just evolutions way of perpetuating the species. Evolution rewards "good behavior". And when you actually take the plunge, that is where the greatest psychological payoff is to be found. Almost any parent will tell you the same thing.

Best,

Gordon

[topperf]

I am surprised by the men dissing on fake boobies. I got mine about 6 mos. ago and couldn't be happier. One isn't larger than the other, nipples are nice and centered and even....lol I think they look damn good. =] If a guy hates on fake boobies, it is just because they haven't seen a job well done.

Anywho, In response the the OP..People will give you a million reasons not to get plastic surgery. You do it for yourself, not other people. Make sure he does plenty of research on every aspect of the surgery.

Post pictures! ... Please?

[edlee]

While I certainly believe that your body is your own,, and no one else's buisness,,, unless you deem it so,,,, The phrase about " my surgeon" ,,, sounding all too much like " my hairdresser",, does worry me.

Perhaps it's time for a new definition of who he is,,, besides his body image, I mean.
ed

What else is there to call him but my surgoun, and we would only trust him because we know he does good work. I've been going to him since the age of 16.

This line alone seems to make my point. I doubt you will see it, tho. We come from vastly different social groupings. In your's, there is no onus in what you have done with your body,,, in fact it is commonplace. In mine, it is looked at,,, differently. As I said,, " Your body is your own". Each of us have our own set of priorities,,, and last I checked, it's still a relatively free country.
ed