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Post icon  Posted 17 December 2009 - 09:32 PM

Well what can I say, I'm speechless. The most talked about movie lately and most expensive movie ever made (US$300M), has lived up to the hype.

Avatar was released in Australia yesterday and it is probably the best movie I have ever seen. After spending the last 2 years since my accident watching movies of all types and genres, I have become some type of movie critic and usually spend a lot of time, after watching a film, looking and talking about it faults. I was surprised when this did not happen after seeing Avatar.

The film is about a young ex-marine (Sam Worthington), now in a wheelchair due to paraplegia, who is chosen to travel to the planet Pandora and be involved in a program known as The AVATAR Program. This program allows humans to take control of an Alien body which has been cloned using human and Na'vi (the alien race) genes.

The marine, known as Jack Scully, ends up with the Na'vi, in his alien body, and trys to learn their ways. He does this in order to help out 3 seperate parties, the scientist/researchers, a corporate mining company and the marines. In the end Jack Scully ends up having to make a choice, to work with the corporate company and the marines, or help the scientists/researchers and the Na'vi people.

I do not want to give to much away in the story so I will leave the plot at that.

What makes this movie so good is the intense graphics and special effects mixed with an uncomplicated story line. Most movies with special effects are usually "over-the-top". Due to the fact that the story line is based far into the future and about an alien species, the special effects are just right and feel realitic. This, mixed with 3D animation, great camera work and a simple plot, all together can make you want to watch more and give you goosebumps throughout.

I will leave the rest for you all to decide and talk about yourselves, but it is a must watch movie.


My main reason for the topic is to discuss the use of the main character, Jack Scully, being a paraplegic (i'm think a T12 to L2 complete). The actor, (Sam Worthington) is able-bodied in real life but does a fantastic job portraying a paraplegic. From the the use of different types of transfers too having skinny legs (which I would love to know how he got them), a lot of people would believe the actor is a wheelchair user.

There were some things I pointed out which only a wheelchair user would pick out. If you take notice, he does not use a cushion, but sits directly on the upholstery straps and the wheelchair is not set up for him correctly, that is it is too wide, not high enough and has possibly too much camber. Besides all that, it does not upset the movie at all, and it should be expected.

One thing that may upset some people is when Jack Scully first take over his Avatar (alien body). Since it is the first time he has walked since becoming a wheelchair user, there is a scene showing him moving his toes, running, jumping etc. I found this scene tough to watch and my friends did too. There are other scenes in the movie that may be uncomfortable to watch, but without them the movie would not be the same and would not create emotion from the audience.

I think the use of a paraplegic in this big blockbuster, will help the disabled/handicapped community a great deal. It helps the audience to understand some of the feelings and emotions of someone with a disability as well as showing that there is no need to give up.


I hope this will help you all to make a decision on whether to see the movie or not. Please give us all feedback on what your thoughts are and I hope you all enjoy it.

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Post icon  Posted 17 December 2009 - 10:40 PM

O my God, I have just seen this film in the cinema.
Got back home an hour and half ago and it still feels like I am in Pandora :-) It's spectacular film.
In some parts I got really emotional. It does reminds me of my friend, and I strongly believe that he will walk again just like Jack Scully. "Avatar" movie is just what I always thought would be like to travel to another world :happy: Fantastic! I'd like to live in Pandora - it's place like nothing I have been before...
My g/friend kept on saying to me, "Be quiet" cus I could not keep my emotions to myself..it was crazy.
I would not be able to sleep tonight in such state of ecstasy.
You guys so must watch it :-)
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 02:28 AM

View Postbradgrove, on Dec 17 2009, 01:32 PM, said:

Well what can I say, I'm speechless. The most talked about movie lately and most expensive movie ever made (US$300M), has lived up to the hype.

Avatar was released in Australia yesterday and it is probably the best movie I have ever seen. After spending the last 2 years since my accident watching movies of all types and genres, I have become some type of movie critic and usually spend a lot of time, after watching a film, looking and talking about it faults. I was surprised when this did not happen after seeing Avatar.

The film is about a young ex-marine (Sam Worthington), now in a wheelchair due to paraplegia, who is chosen to travel to the planet Pandora and be involved in a program known as The AVATAR Program. This program allows humans to take control of an Alien body which has been cloned using human and Na'vi (the alien race) genes.

The marine, known as Jack Scully, ends up with the Na'vi, in his alien body, and trys to learn their ways. He does this in order to help out 3 seperate parties, the scientist/researchers, a corporate mining company and the marines. In the end Jack Scully ends up having to make a choice, to work with the corporate company and the marines, or help the scientists/researchers and the Na'vi people.

I do not want to give to much away in the story so I will leave the plot at that.

What makes this movie so good is the intense graphics and special effects mixed with an uncomplicated story line. Most movies with special effects are usually "over-the-top". Due to the fact that the story line is based far into the future and about an alien species, the special effects are just right and feel realitic. This, mixed with 3D animation, great camera work and a simple plot, all together can make you want to watch more and give you goosebumps throughout.

I will leave the rest for you all to decide and talk about yourselves, but it is a must watch movie.


My main reason for the topic is to discuss the use of the main character, Jack Scully, being a paraplegic (i'm think a T12 to L2 complete). The actor, (Sam Worthington) is able-bodied in real life but does a fantastic job portraying a paraplegic. From the the use of different types of transfers too having skinny legs (which I would love to know how he got them), a lot of people would believe the actor is a wheelchair user.

There were some things I pointed out which only a wheelchair user would pick out. If you take notice, he does not use a cushion, but sits directly on the upholstery straps and the wheelchair is not set up for him correctly, that is it is too wide, not high enough and has possibly too much camber. Besides all that, it does not upset the movie at all, and it should be expected.

One thing that may upset some people is when Jack Scully first take over his Avatar (alien body). Since it is the first time he has walked since becoming a wheelchair user, there is a scene showing him moving his toes, running, jumping etc. I found this scene tough to watch and my friends did too. There are other scenes in the movie that may be uncomfortable to watch, but without them the movie would not be the same and would not create emotion from the audience.

I think the use of a paraplegic in this big blockbuster, will help the disabled/handicapped community a great deal. It helps the audience to understand some of the feelings and emotions of someone with a disability as well as showing that there is no need to give up.


I hope this will help you all to make a decision on whether to see the movie or not. Please give us all feedback on what your thoughts are and I hope you all enjoy it.


Whoa bg,dude!

If this is you when you're speechless I'd hate to see you when you're loquacious.

Just a joke dude, don't get all weird on me. I too have been awaiting this movie's release for quite some time.
Now that it's finally out I reckon I'll get my stout, ahem, big boned, ah, stocky ass to the thee-ate-tah to see it.
Especially now that I have your ABSOLUTE SUPER DUPER guarantee that it's the GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE, no matter what. Ever. No matter what.

But if I find that it isn't the best movie ever made, well, I'm gonna come looking for you. I WILL FIND YOU. And you know the rest if you saw "Taken."

Thanx for the critique. Most useful, and at my earliest convenience I will go see it.

Oh. One last lil' thingy:
If yer gonna use the word "Marine" or "Marine Corps" in any context, plural, post, past tense, pretense, participle, WHATEVER. I think it might be a good idea for you to capitalize it.
A real good idea.

Anywho, great we had this lil' chit chat, tah tah.

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 04:25 PM

I just saw this today, not my normal kind of film, but it was good. I too found the emotion of him walking a bit hard to take (and i can walk a little).

but the graphics and 3d were good.
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 05:11 PM

I am looking forward to seeing this movie, but I find it interesting that the writers think it is easier to give a paraplegic an alien body than to fix his spinal cord. You would think that if docs knew how to manipulate alien genes they could fix a damaged spinal cord from their own race.
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 07:46 PM

I look forward to seeing this movie, but get the feeling if anyone uses the words avitar or pandora in the next several years they will be accused of playing off the movies success
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Posted 20 December 2009 - 06:58 AM

This movie kind of brings a whole new level of meaning to the term ' SCI Fi' doesn't it.
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View Postbradgrove, on Dec 17 2009, 04:32 PM, said:

Well what can I say, I'm speechless. The most talked about movie lately and most expensive movie ever made (US$300M), has lived up to the hype.

Avatar was released in Australia yesterday and it is probably the best movie I have ever seen. After spending the last 2 years since my accident watching movies of all types and genres, I have become some type of movie critic and usually spend a lot of time, after watching a film, looking and talking about it faults. I was surprised when this did not happen after seeing Avatar.

The film is about a young ex-marine (Sam Worthington), now in a wheelchair due to paraplegia, who is chosen to travel to the planet Pandora and be involved in a program known as The AVATAR Program. This program allows humans to take control of an Alien body which has been cloned using human and Na'vi (the alien race) genes.

The marine, known as Jack Scully, ends up with the Na'vi, in his alien body, and trys to learn their ways. He does this in order to help out 3 seperate parties, the scientist/researchers, a corporate mining company and the marines. In the end Jack Scully ends up having to make a choice, to work with the corporate company and the marines, or help the scientists/researchers and the Na'vi people.

I do not want to give to much away in the story so I will leave the plot at that.

What makes this movie so good is the intense graphics and special effects mixed with an uncomplicated story line. Most movies with special effects are usually "over-the-top". Due to the fact that the story line is based far into the future and about an alien species, the special effects are just right and feel realitic. This, mixed with 3D animation, great camera work and a simple plot, all together can make you want to watch more and give you goosebumps throughout.

I will leave the rest for you all to decide and talk about yourselves, but it is a must watch movie.


My main reason for the topic is to discuss the use of the main character, Jack Scully, being a paraplegic (i'm think a T12 to L2 complete). The actor, (Sam Worthington) is able-bodied in real life but does a fantastic job portraying a paraplegic. From the the use of different types of transfers too having skinny legs (which I would love to know how he got them), a lot of people would believe the actor is a wheelchair user.

There were some things I pointed out which only a wheelchair user would pick out. If you take notice, he does not use a cushion, but sits directly on the upholstery straps and the wheelchair is not set up for him correctly, that is it is too wide, not high enough and has possibly too much camber. Besides all that, it does not upset the movie at all, and it should be expected.

One thing that may upset some people is when Jack Scully first take over his Avatar (alien body). Since it is the first time he has walked since becoming a wheelchair user, there is a scene showing him moving his toes, running, jumping etc. I found this scene tough to watch and my friends did too. There are other scenes in the movie that may be uncomfortable to watch, but without them the movie would not be the same and would not create emotion from the audience.

I think the use of a paraplegic in this big blockbuster, will help the disabled/handicapped community a great deal. It helps the audience to understand some of the feelings and emotions of someone with a disability as well as showing that there is no need to give up.


I hope this will help you all to make a decision on whether to see the movie or not. Please give us all feedback on what your thoughts are and I hope you all enjoy it.


damn! I expected him to remain a para the whole film. I HATE movies that show people with disabilities as needing to no longer be disabled. What the hell is wrong with having a dis? Focus on quality of life, social access and full community acceptance (romantic and otherwise). I just HATE the cure focus on SCI. Wheelchair users can have great lives and are as valid and cool and attractive as non-disabled people. Why can't Hollywood just leave wheelchair users in their chairs without this constant focus on "cure"?? I know many SCI people want a cure, but that is for them individually to decide. There should not be some societal view that people with SCI are not as good as people without. I mean, improve medical interventions to prevent pressure sores and UTI's and other complications, but don't view people with disabilities as no longer being whole people!
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Posted 21 December 2009 - 08:19 AM

View PostE-DOG, on Dec 18 2009, 01:28 PM, said:

View Postbradgrove, on Dec 17 2009, 01:32 PM, said:

Well what can I say, I'm speechless. The most talked about movie lately and most expensive movie ever made (US$300M), has lived up to the hype.

Avatar was released in Australia yesterday and it is probably the best movie I have ever seen. After spending the last 2 years since my accident watching movies of all types and genres, I have become some type of movie critic and usually spend a lot of time, after watching a film, looking and talking about it faults. I was surprised when this did not happen after seeing Avatar.

The film is about a young ex-marine (Sam Worthington), now in a wheelchair due to paraplegia, who is chosen to travel to the planet Pandora and be involved in a program known as The AVATAR Program. This program allows humans to take control of an Alien body which has been cloned using human and Na'vi (the alien race) genes.

The marine, known as Jack Scully, ends up with the Na'vi, in his alien body, and trys to learn their ways. He does this in order to help out 3 seperate parties, the scientist/researchers, a corporate mining company and the marines. In the end Jack Scully ends up having to make a choice, to work with the corporate company and the marines, or help the scientists/researchers and the Na'vi people.

I do not want to give to much away in the story so I will leave the plot at that.

What makes this movie so good is the intense graphics and special effects mixed with an uncomplicated story line. Most movies with special effects are usually "over-the-top". Due to the fact that the story line is based far into the future and about an alien species, the special effects are just right and feel realitic. This, mixed with 3D animation, great camera work and a simple plot, all together can make you want to watch more and give you goosebumps throughout.

I will leave the rest for you all to decide and talk about yourselves, but it is a must watch movie.


My main reason for the topic is to discuss the use of the main character, Jack Scully, being a paraplegic (i'm think a T12 to L2 complete). The actor, (Sam Worthington) is able-bodied in real life but does a fantastic job portraying a paraplegic. From the the use of different types of transfers too having skinny legs (which I would love to know how he got them), a lot of people would believe the actor is a wheelchair user.

There were some things I pointed out which only a wheelchair user would pick out. If you take notice, he does not use a cushion, but sits directly on the upholstery straps and the wheelchair is not set up for him correctly, that is it is too wide, not high enough and has possibly too much camber. Besides all that, it does not upset the movie at all, and it should be expected.

One thing that may upset some people is when Jack Scully first take over his Avatar (alien body). Since it is the first time he has walked since becoming a wheelchair user, there is a scene showing him moving his toes, running, jumping etc. I found this scene tough to watch and my friends did too. There are other scenes in the movie that may be uncomfortable to watch, but without them the movie would not be the same and would not create emotion from the audience.

I think the use of a paraplegic in this big blockbuster, will help the disabled/handicapped community a great deal. It helps the audience to understand some of the feelings and emotions of someone with a disability as well as showing that there is no need to give up.


I hope this will help you all to make a decision on whether to see the movie or not. Please give us all feedback on what your thoughts are and I hope you all enjoy it.


Whoa bg,dude!

If this is you when you're speechless I'd hate to see you when you're loquacious.

Just a joke dude, don't get all weird on me. I too have been awaiting this movie's release for quite some time.
Now that it's finally out I reckon I'll get my stout, ahem, big boned, ah, stocky ass to the thee-ate-tah to see it.
Especially now that I have your ABSOLUTE SUPER DUPER guarantee that it's the GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE, no matter what. Ever. No matter what.

But if I find that it isn't the best movie ever made, well, I'm gonna come looking for you. I WILL FIND YOU. And you know the rest if you saw "Taken."

Thanx for the critique. Most useful, and at my earliest convenience I will go see it.

Oh. One last lil' thingy:
If yer gonna use the word "Marine" or "Marine Corps" in any context, plural, post, past tense, pretense, participle, WHATEVER. I think it might be a good idea for you to capitalize it.
A real good idea.

Anywho, great we had this lil' chit chat, tah tah.

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Never actually said that it is "the GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE" but it is probably the best movie "I" have ever seen. Either way if its not you cup of tea, I"ll be waiting for you. lol

And in regards to the capitalization in the word "Marine" or "Marine Corps", my apologies. I'm Australian, we don't have Marines, so the meaning isn't the same for me.

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 12:47 PM

''damn! I expected him to remain a para the whole film. I HATE movies that show people with disabilities as needing to no longer be disabled. What the hell is wrong with having a dis? Focus on quality of life, social access and full community acceptance (romantic and otherwise). I just HATE the cure focus on SCI. Wheelchair users can have great lives and are as valid and cool and attractive as non-disabled people. Why can't Hollywood just leave wheelchair users in their chairs without this constant focus on "cure"?? I know many SCI people want a cure, but that is for them individually to decide. There should not be some societal view that people with SCI are not as good as people without. I mean, improve medical interventions to prevent pressure sores and UTI's and other complications, but don't view people with disabilities as no longer being whole people!''

- Well, I'm just glad that here's a hero in a wheelchair, that doesn't happen so often.. And about being whole, I'm glad you consider yourself being such, ask for me, I'm pretty far for being whole, and the movie merely implies (imo) that a person will 'go' a long way, to be 'whole' again.
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Posted 22 December 2009 - 02:39 PM

New Avatar Action Figures

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Post icon  Posted 22 December 2009 - 06:52 PM

I heard it is a three hour movie so those of us without indwelling catheters may take a look at the website runpee in about a month: http://m.runpee.com/ I presume this one will run for a while in cinemas.

Also heard that some of us who get motion sickness may feel a bit queasy. Other than that I am definitely going to see it in 3d. Despite the interest of the wheelchair guy being in it, It looks fantastic and as most of the digital work was done by the NZ firm Weta Workshops, it has to be good.

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 06:16 AM

I liked Ferngully, so I should like a movie with the same plot...
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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:10 PM

Don't get me wrong this might be a good movie but I am sorry to hear that we live in a world where $300,000,000 dollars were spent on a MOVIE!!! When 80% of the people on earth live below the poverty line!!

you want to watch a good movie then watch "HOME" ITS FREE TO SEE AND THERE IS NOT 1 PERSON WHO SHOULD NOT TAKE THE TIME TO WATCH IT!

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 11:25 PM

Just saw Avatar and I was pretty impressed! Plot was pretty predictable but that's to be expected. I think they did a good job with the guy portraying someone who had a SCI. It made me wanna find a body for another world-just not a blue one.
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Posted 24 December 2009 - 07:20 AM

View Postmcferguson, on Dec 18 2009, 09:11 AM, said:

I am looking forward to seeing this movie, but I find it interesting that the writers think it is easier to give a paraplegic an alien body than to fix his spinal cord. You would think that if docs knew how to manipulate alien genes they could fix a damaged spinal cord from their own race.


If I'm remembering correctly, he mentioned something about how the docs had the ability to fix a damaged spinal cord - the issue was that he couldn't afford it. The head military guy said he would get Jake's spinal cord fixed if he did what the guy needed, and he would have, but Jake said he needed to finish what he had started with the Na'vi, the initiation ceremony thing.

View Postpistol_pete, on Dec 19 2009, 10:58 PM, said:

This movie kind of brings a whole new level of meaning to the term ' SCI Fi' doesn't it.


:mfrlol: That made me laugh a lot.

I just got back from seeing this and I am still amazed! I don't know how much I could actually say without rambling like an idiot, so all I can say right now is WOW. The portrayal of a para was awesome, the transfers, the atrophied legs (I read somewhere that they used CGI to make his legs so skinny). One part that struck a chord with me (besides the obvious part when he wakes up in his avatar body and is just running and jumping all over, which was a bit hard) was when he was getting into the thing to go into his avatar body for the first time, and Sigourney Weaver's character goes to lift his legs onto the bed, and he stops her. I'm not sure why, but that struck a chord with me.

And there is the other thing, about him not being a para at the end. How I interpreted it was that it wasn't about him being "cured" of his SCI, it was about him living the life that he wanted to live, with the Na'vi. Just what I thought.
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Posted 25 December 2009 - 03:55 AM

The movie was amazing. Loved the 3D. He did portray a para well and I was curious about the leg atrophy - how it was done. Great special effects though....


Out of curiousity - is anyone familiar with the wheelchair used in the movie? Interesting back on it. Looks similar to the flight chair but not the same.

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 06:43 AM

Saw it the other night... Awesome flick!
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Posted 02 January 2010 - 03:51 PM

Just watched it yesterday in 3D and not only did I really enjoy the movie, but the 3d effect was pretty damn good, they've come along way since Jaws 3D which I think was the last 3D movie I've seen. I thought the portrayal of a para was done quite well myself and couldn't find anything to argue with.

View Postmcferguson, on Dec 18 2009, 12:11 PM, said:

I am looking forward to seeing this movie, but I find it interesting that the writers think it is easier to give a paraplegic an alien body than to fix his spinal cord. You would think that if docs knew how to manipulate alien genes they could fix a damaged spinal cord from their own race.


They actually can fix the spinal cord. I believe there is some dialogue where he says it's to costly and also that he'd rather have a reminder of what he'd gone through then get repaired.

View PostTortfeasors, on Dec 20 2009, 05:10 AM, said:

damn! I expected him to remain a para the whole film. I HATE movies that show people with disabilities as needing to no longer be disabled. What the hell is wrong with having a dis? Focus on quality of life, social access and full community acceptance (romantic and otherwise). I just HATE the cure focus on SCI. Wheelchair users can have great lives and are as valid and cool and attractive as non-disabled people. Why can't Hollywood just leave wheelchair users in their chairs without this constant focus on "cure"?? I know many SCI people want a cure, but that is for them individually to decide. There should not be some societal view that people with SCI are not as good as people without. I mean, improve medical interventions to prevent pressure sores and UTI's and other complications, but don't view people with disabilities as no longer being whole people!


He was a para the whole film until he changed to an Avatar fully. Would have been hard to roll around that planet off the base or come up with a huge wooden chair by being a paratar (that's right Para+Avatar). See above, he had chosen not to get "fixed" earlier in the film and then again he choose to return and help the aliens instead of getting "fixed". I think some of you just take thinks to damn serious and personal. This film wasn't about focusing on a "cure", the person did decide and honestly it seemed like the main character had accepted his life in a wheelchair pretty good and was taking on the mission in the first place to prove that some one in a chair could continue to do things. If you saw this movie showing that "people with disabilities as needing to no longer be disabled", then I think you need to look at your line of thought better. I saw it completely different.

View Postkate42, on Dec 24 2009, 02:20 AM, said:

I just got back from seeing this and I am still amazed! I don't know how much I could actually say without rambling like an idiot, so all I can say right now is WOW. The portrayal of a para was awesome, the transfers, the atrophied legs (I read somewhere that they used CGI to make his legs so skinny). One part that struck a chord with me (besides the obvious part when he wakes up in his avatar body and is just running and jumping all over, which was a bit hard) was when he was getting into the thing to go into his avatar body for the first time, and Sigourney Weaver's character goes to lift his legs onto the bed, and he stops her. I'm not sure why, but that struck a chord with me.

And there is the other thing, about him not being a para at the end. How I interpreted it was that it wasn't about him being "cured" of his SCI, it was about him living the life that he wanted to live, with the Na'vi. Just what I thought.


I pretty much fely the same way, about the movie as a whole, regardless of a para being in it or not. The actor did do a great job IMHO and if I didn't know better beforehand and was asked after the movie if I believed he was really in a chair I would have said yes.

The part about him stopping her from helping with this legs was spot on for me though. When watching some one else do it, it might seem a bit shocking, but I can't even begin to count the number of times when I have stopped people from doing something like that. Yes that exact thing, when climbing on a X-Ray machine, I have stopped the x-ray technical every time from lifting my legs, I've stopped numerous people from helping me get out of the pool, I've stopped numerous people from trying to lift me into/out of the car. So while doing it I don't think twice about how it's being seen by some one else, but I guess watching it up there on the big screen made me perceive how it seems to the people trying to help.


Some people have mentioned that were a bit put off about how he acted the first time in his Avatar. Really? Why? I've been in a chair for 19 years, if all of us a sudden I was put into a body of a 15 foot muscled, lithe, agile frame, I'm pretty sure that I would act exactly how he did. I would have looked down at the table and wiggled my toes, I would have tried to stand up right away and I'd have been out running as soon as possible. I saw nothing that they had him doing that I didn't agree with.

To be honest after reading this thread before i watched the movie i was expecting to not like it. I thought it was going to have this guy hating life in a chair, not accepting what had happened to him and being stuck. About some one "needing to no longer be disabled", not being a "valid and cool and attractive" human as well as the focus of the movie being about the character focusing on a cure. Instead I saw a movie where some one had accepted their disability, had moved past it and continued on with his life discouraged by what was thrown at him, it had other characters believing that he wanted nothing more then to be "cured", it had other characters believing he wasn't up to par with them, but in reality that wasn't his main goal in life. I completely and totally connected with that. I have people in my own family that believe I spend half my day dreaming of a break through that will allow me to walk again and that my whole life is centered around that, when in reality it isn't something I really put a thought into anymore other then when brought up by some one else.

To be honest that was just small side story to the movie, not point of the movie at all, which some had led me to believe. The guy could have been a AB and it would not have changed my enjoyment of the movie and would have had little effect on the main story as a whole. The movie did leave me inspired though, as I saw the para character as some one showing that he could over come a lot more then what others believed and I'm not referring to his part with the Avatar, but just the whole part of him still being a Marine and shipping off to another planet for a job that needed to be done.

View PostChar, on Dec 24 2009, 10:55 PM, said:

Out of curiousity - is anyone familiar with the wheelchair used in the movie? Interesting back on it. Looks similar to the flight chair but not the same.


Yea not sure, I found myself wondering the same thing. What chair was used. That was the only off putting part about it, 150 years in the future and there had been no improvement to the design of wheelchairs.
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Posted 02 January 2010 - 06:58 PM

Correction- The hero first said correction of his injury was too expensive, and he liked being reminded... yadda yadda... but as soon as the military commander offered him corrective treatment in return for spying he seemed to like the idea very much. Be reasonable- which of us would not. He justified acceptance of his condition because medical treatment was beyond his means.

I saw the movie a few days ago with open captions ( for geezers like me and GreyBeard) It was wonderful to understand every bit of dialog.
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Posted 02 January 2010 - 07:21 PM

Your right, which is why I then mentioned when he had it offered, to ship out right then, he chose to stay.

I'm the first to say that I've accepted what has happened to me and moved on with my life years ago, however if there was a surgery that would guarantee to repair the damage done to my spinal cord, I'd gladly have it done and I don't honestly believe there isn't anyone that wouldn't. That isn't saying anyone needs a cure of fix, but what would be the purpose? If you could have the damage done repaired and chose not to, which would be choosing not to stand, walk, run...etc. wouldn't that be the same as a AB choosing to use a wheelchair when they didn't need to?
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Posted 03 January 2010 - 08:52 AM

View PostTexaswheelz, on Jan 2 2010, 07:51 AM, said:

Some people have mentioned that were a bit put off about how he acted the first time in his Avatar. Really? Why? I've been in a chair for 19 years, if all of us a sudden I was put into a body of a 15 foot muscled, lithe, agile frame, I'm pretty sure that I would act exactly how he did. I would have looked down at the table and wiggled my toes, I would have tried to stand up right away and I'd have been out running as soon as possible. I saw nothing that they had him doing that I didn't agree with.


I personally wasn't really put off by how he acted his first time in his Avatar, it was more of a kind of emotional thing for me, I think. I've been in a chair for 5 years now, and I've accepted it and everything. But if I suddenly had the ability to walk and run again, I would not be able get myself out of my wheelchair fast enough. It wasn't that I was put off by it, it was that I could totally empathize with him just wanting to run and jump, and it was just a little emotional for me.

Did that make any sense?
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Post icon  Posted 03 January 2010 - 09:38 AM

View PostTexaswheelz, on Jan 2 2010, 08:21 PM, said:

Your right, which is why I then mentioned when he had it offered, to ship out right then, he chose to stay.

I'm the first to say that I've accepted what has happened to me and moved on with my life years ago, however if there was a surgery that would guarantee to repair the damage done to my spinal cord, I'd gladly have it done and I don't honestly believe there isn't anyone that wouldn't. That isn't saying anyone needs a cure of fix, but what would be the purpose? If you could have the damage done repaired and chose not to, which would be choosing not to stand, walk, run...etc. wouldn't that be the same as a AB choosing to use a wheelchair when they didn't need to?


I'm just surmising and I hope I don't offend anyone by this because I don't intend to. Perhaps the reason some of us don't like the fact the guy was still in a chair so far in the future also brings up the possibility for us that whether a great or slim chance, there will perhaps be no cure for SCI in our lifetimes or that of our children. Not thinking of anyone in particular, just an observation. Either way, they have obviously researched this movie a lot by the sounds of it because some of us have had some quite powerful emotional reactions to the movie, particularly around living with a disability which has seemed to strike aq chord. It's getting to the point though that I am going to have to stop reading this one I think because I want to make sure I don't know too much about the movie before I see it.

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 08:09 PM

Have any of you guys tried out life as a virtual avatar on sites like Second Life?

I haven't, but then again, I am married, and divorce is just click away...

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 12:03 AM

What a fantastic film! i enjoyed it from start to finish i did'nt get the bit where he controlled the big bird [when he just about controlled the smaller one] and then he went back to the people and they bowed to him like a god [whereas before they wanted to rip his head off] still that was nothing to detract from the enjoyment of the film i don't usually like these films and only took my sons along to see it,we watched transformers before which i absolutely hated but this was believable [when in the right frame of mind]
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Posted 14 January 2010 - 02:15 AM

seen it last night..........2 tthings made me laugh.

1. Unobtainium
2. So far in the future but still in crappy chair.
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 06:21 AM

I know i'm behind the curve on seeing the movie (I was out of the country), but I just saw it today in 3D IMAX and holy shite what a killer movie!...I'm definitely with everyone, when he first took over the avatar body and they show him digging his feet in the dirt to remember what it felt like, kinda brought a tear to my eye. It was definitely to Cameron's credit that he took those subtle details into account...A great movie! :)
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 07:08 AM

Just seen it today also, GREAT movie. Deffinitaly better than I thought it was going to be. 5/5
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Post icon  Posted 28 January 2010 - 10:48 AM

This film has certainly advanced 3d technology and deserves all the fine things said about it
The character hopping between walking and wheeling did make AB open up a bit
Just look around at the stares we got when we left the cinema
But
The story line was crap
Another RED man versus White man, Gold dementia, and battle of little bighorn with a Custer thrown in
Or was I watching a differant movie

Technicaly brilliant - special effects a wow - story line 18th century
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