[cosmosmallpiece]

Greetings All
Last week I had the swine flu jab and I am having a bad reaction to it,
I keep fancying miss Piggy,
has anybody else had a bad reaction to the swine flu jab,
I can't go and see my GP because I am snowed in as I live on a hill,
happy christmas to one and all,
Cosmo.

[Apparelyzed]

I came out in rashers

Simon

[guido]

hope you get better but whatever happens will be god swill.

[JustJayde]

That is seriously scary! I'm not bacon a joke!

[silone74]

I have not had the call from the docs for the jab,I am not sure if I come under the priority group anybody know if I would or not?

Si

[SandieT]

Hi
Know lots of people have had reactions (but not fancying Miss Piggy!!) Just sore arm and feeling a bit unwell.
Hope your feeling better now.
All your comments made me smile!!

[greybeard]

silone74, on Dec 22 2009, 07:45 PM, said:

I have not had the call from the docs for the jab,I am not sure if I come under the priority group anybody know if I would or not?

Si

Depends what's wrong with you. You'll get it if you're under five, I think. If you've got a heart problem, lung problem, are diabetic, work with the sick or elderly, and a few other things that I can't remember, you'll get the call. You could look up the NHS Direct page. It's bound to have the details - or you could just phone your doctor's surgery.

[Char]

I am curious too about reactions. The shot is now readily available here for any who want it, but I am not sure I want it. Any bad reactions?

[greybeard]

I've had it. It stung a little while it was going in, but since then - nothing: no pain, no fever, no reaction at all.

Some people report minor reactions, but there must be many more who don't report anything - because they have no ill effects at all.

The media only ever report the scariest, most horrific, headline-grabbing stories.

[russ1]

greybeard, on Dec 23 2009, 09:08 AM, said:

I've had it. It stung a little while it was going in, but since then - nothing: no pain, no fever, no reaction at all.

Some people report minor reactions, but there must be many more who don't report anything - because they have no ill effects at all.

The media only ever report the scariest, most horrific, headline-grabbing stories.

I know some people who are really quite senior in medical research fields and their advice to their close family has been do not under any circumstances have the swine flu jab - they don't feel it's well enough tested , that the side effects and reactions are too often worse than having the actual illness. I know I do qualify as a high level with associated reduced lung function but I have to ask if I want it (same with normal flu and pneumonia jabs - which I do have). I'll not be getting it.

[greybeard]

........So there you have it!

One says one thing, another says the complete opposite.

All we need now is a view from the conspiracy theorists and the anti-everything campaigners to complete the picture - - and you'll still be left having to make up your own mind.

[Scribbler]

greybeard, on Dec 23 2009, 11:03 AM, said:

........So there you have it!

One says one thing, another says the complete opposite.

All we need now is a view from the conspiracy theorists and the anti-everything campaigners to complete the picture - - and you'll still be left having to make up your own mind.

Definitely a conspiracy GB..... That jab is to make you old, grumpy and get a fat belly... Its obviously worked on you!!

From Handsome, slim and happy Mike

[Tetracyclone]

where can I sign up for the anti-everything campaign?

[Wheelsonfire]

I'm not sure if I fall into the category of been anti-everything,,,I haven't got the jab, nor will I go for it, standard flu injections are also something I stay away from.
A good multi vitamin and a vit c tab a day,,,,,it's been years since I even got a sniffle, no matter how bad the weather is.
Antibiotics, jabs for this, jabs for that......It all weakens the body's defences, body gets use to relying on "jabs".
Swine flu mutates, the jab you get now will not be worth a fiddlers with a new variant of the virus...

[greybeard]

Wheelsonfire, on Dec 23 2009, 01:10 PM, said:

I'm not sure if I fall into the category of been anti-everything,,,I haven't got the jab, nor will I go for it, standard flu injections are also something I stay away from.
A good multi vitamin and a vit c tab a day,,,,,it's been years since I even got a sniffle, no matter how bad the weather is.
Antibiotics, jabs for this, jabs for that......It all weakens the body's defences, body gets use to relying on "jabs".
Swine flu mutates, the jab you get now will not be worth a fiddlers with a new variant of the virus...

I don't want to be argumentative (actually that's a lie! It's my nature. ) but if you eat a proper balanced diet, you don't need any supplementary vitamins at all.

..........And you don't catch flu from the weather.

You catch it from people!!

However, I do agree that youngsters these days are more susceptible to common ailments because they are brought up in unhealthily clean environments where their bodies can't develop antibodies because they aren't exposed to enough germs. Dirt can keep you healthy!

[Wheelsonfire]

greybeard, on Dec 23 2009, 02:24 PM, said:

I don't want to be argumentative (actually that's a lie! It's my nature. ) but if you eat a proper balanced diet, you don't need any supplementary vitamins at all.

..........And you don't catch flu from the weather.

You catch it from people!!

However, I do agree that youngsters these days are more susceptible to common ailments because they are brought up in unhealthily clean environments where their bodies can't develop antibodies because they aren't exposed to enough germs. Dirt can keep you healthy!

Hi GB
Just noticed the post.

Supplementation is something I do, I do this because of training with weights 15+ hours a week, and a "proper diet" won't give the levels I need.(typical vits in a shop are normally suited to the couch potato) and I stay away from most veg due to the carbs.
I interact with the human race, even when they are bug ridden and I don't get caught with what they have.

I agree that the whole fascination(obsession) with removing bacteria from the household can weaken ones defences.
I like a clean home, some people go OTT. Constant jabs for this and that also weakens the immune system.

Regards

[McTavish]

Completely agree with wheelsonfire, I got the jab and was dying with some sort of flu and cough for what seemed like weeks. Never again I have learned the hard way, the doctors are not always right

[Maltese Cat]

Wheelsonfire, on Jan 28 2010, 02:04 PM, said:

I agree that the whole fascination(obsession) with removing bacteria from the household can weaken ones defences.
I like a clean home, some people go OTT. Constant jabs for this and that also weakens the immune system.

You are actually contradicting yourself here. Indeed too clean a house means that the body is not exposed to germs so it is unable to mount a defence against them - so "weakening" the immune system.

BUT vaccinations work just that way too. they present a challenge to the body in a similar way that the actual virus would, so that the body is able to design itself a defence strategy for that virus if it should ever come up against it.

In that way they STRENGTHEN the immune system, they provoke it to INCREASE its armoury - they don't weaken it.

The vaccine should not cause disease as they are manufactured using either killed virus which cannot replicate in the body, but has the right coating so that the immune system designs the right anti-bodies. or the vaccine virus is altered in some way that stops it being able to invade or replicate or some other such thing that stop the disease taking hold.

However it is true that people can often feel unwell after being vaccinated. This may be the response they feel when their immune system is being kicked into gear and responding to the vaccine - i.e. making the right kind of antibodies that would be needed should they be actually infected. The vaccine needs to be effective enough to stimulate the immune system properly, and so often we feel ill when we get a jab.

Proper trials etc are essential though, to make sure that the vaccine version of the virus really can't cause that disease (or another disease altogether).

hope that made sense...

This post has been edited by Maltese Cat: 29 January 2010 - 05:14 PM

[Wheelsonfire]

Maltese there is a difference between having a clean house and going OTT with it.
There is no contradiction bar the one you have fabricated to nitpick.
Do I run around the house with detergents to rid germs,NO.
Do I wash the floor when it needs cleaning,YES.
Am I to the point of obsessiveness to eradicate germs in my house, weakening my immune system in the process, NO.
Will I attend a GP to be invaded with chemicals the body can do without, NO
Have I encountered illness in recent years due to this, NO

Regards

[Maltese Cat]

Wheelsonfire, on Jan 29 2010, 12:49 AM, said:

Maltese there is a difference between having a clean house and going OTT with it.
There is no contradiction bar the one you have fabricated to nitpick.
Do I run around the house with detergents to rid germs,NO.
Do I wash the floor when it needs cleaning,YES.
Am I to the point of obsessiveness to eradicate germs in my house, weakening my immune system in the process, NO.
Will I attend a GP to be invaded with chemicals the body can do without, NO
Have I encountered illness in recent years due to this, NO

Regards

Wheels,
I'm not sure you understood what i was trying to say, which probably means i didn't express myself very clearly, so I am sorry for that.

I am not trying pass any kind of judgement on how clean your house may be, I was only taking issue with your suggestion that vaccines weaken the immune system.

As you had already made the point that people who are obsessive about cleanliness can actually cause themselves more problems (and I am NOT trying to suggest that you are one of those people), because their excessively clean houses mean that their immune system is not challenged and is therefore weaker, your subsequent point that vaccines also weaken the immune system is a contradiction, as the vaccine provides a challenge to the immune system just as the germs provide a challenge to the immune system. Both stimulate the immune system to STRENGTHEN itself.

What you chose to do in terms of house cleaning or getting vaccinations is up to you, and I am not trying to suggest you do more or less of either, I am merely pointing out an inconsistency in your argument.

Hope that is clearer