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[MrBump]

I was having a discussion with a mate who is also a world class elite athlete tthe other day.

He was talking about HGH to repair broken bones and injuries and how quick and effective it worked for most of the guys. We were questioning if it would be of any help in us chronics.......

Has anyone heard or tried it ?

[ericr]

I have done growth before and am currently on it now. Growth is good because like you said it builds muscle mass, strengths bones, regenrates tissue and cells and also burns fat ie will help get rid of that quad gut!!! I have also noticed now and before increased energy which is a plus from hgh. I went to a dr. who tested my blood for the proper dossages and got prescribed that and testosterone.
men who suffer from any type of paralysis loses testosterone and growth hormones and in order to bring them to normal levels must use hgh and steroids. I also noticed my bp has leveled out since taking hgh.
As far as side effects growth has none but testosterone obviously does but ill take my chances "cant get any worse right?
I have to have started moving alot more but like stem cells dont know if that would have been coming back anyways but increase of strength is definetly due to the hgh.
Today at the gym I did rows 175 lbs 25 times and 230 lbs 15 times. not bad for 8 months post c5 c6 quad!!

[McTavish]

That is very very interesting Mr. Bump. I am definately going to look into it on this side of the world.

[LeahC]

I did growth for a while after my injury and it didn't make me able to feel or move below the waist but my hair and nails grew quicker haha x

[Tetracyclone]

 LeahC, on Feb 5 2010, 12:53 PM, said:

I did growth for a while after my injury and it didn't make me able to feel or move below the waist but my hair and nails grew quicker haha x

[MrBump]

 LeahC, on Feb 6 2010, 04:53 AM, said:

I did growth for a while after my injury and it didn't make me able to feel or move below the waist but my hair and nails grew quicker haha x

it actually is more responsive in males I've been told ?

[MDK]

One of the main side effect of HGH is that it can induce diabetes.

[JimG]

 ericr, on Feb 5 2010, 02:16 AM, said:

I have done growth before and am currently on it now. Growth is good because like you said it builds muscle mass, strengths bones, regenrates tissue and cells and also burns fat ie will help get rid of that quad gut!!! I have also noticed now and before increased energy which is a plus from hgh. I went to a dr. who tested my blood for the proper dossages and got prescribed that and testosterone.
men who suffer from any type of paralysis loses testosterone and growth hormones and in order to bring them to normal levels must use hgh and steroids. I also noticed my bp has leveled out since taking hgh.
As far as side effects growth has none but testosterone obviously does but ill take my chances "cant get any worse right?
I have to have started moving alot more but like stem cells dont know if that would have been coming back anyways but increase of strength is definetly due to the hgh.
Today at the gym I did rows 175 lbs 25 times and 230 lbs 15 times. not bad for 8 months post c5 c6 quad!!

I just started another 3 month cycle of Oxandrolone today.

Oxandrolone is an oral AAS, and commonly used by AIDS patients and burn victims to build muscle mass and keep weight on.

Of all anabolic steroids, it's probably the safest and least problematic one out there.

I have been doing testosterone injections weekly for about 6 months, as most men with SCIs have low test levels, and it's needed to build muscle.

This cycle will be my 3rd in 18 months, and each time, I have gotten an increase in muscle mass and mobility while I'm on them.

The problem with doing steroids is very few doctors know anything about them, nor how to use them. I have a prescription for them, but I had to get my knowledge outside of my doctor's office.

I made some mistakes with my first cycle and had some health issues like high blood pressure and liver problems initially, but after talking to a couple of gear-heads at the gym and the internet, they helped me and I got them under control.

Armed with that knowledge, and routine blood work, I had ZERO problems with my last cycle this last fall.

Edited by JimG, 28 February 2010 - 04:50 PM.

[Tetracyclone]

Does anyone know if women can take testosterone? Well, if we would benefit, I mean. I know we can, and that I'd have to shave more often, but I'm concerned that HGH for a 60 year old could be dangerous? Will it encourage cancer cells? I'm already a skin cancer regular...

[Slowlegs]

I have been on it for 24 years but mine was because I was castrated in my original injury and obviously don't make my own any more. It can definitely help rebuild muscle and help your bones mend and make them stronger. There are also serious side effects. It can cause liver failure, cause changes in mood (look for roid rage videos on Youtube ) and permanent erections. It also can change your voice so if you're planning an American Idol career, sing for a living or drink a lot you should really consider the side effects. They can be very serious. For some, not having it can also have serious side effects. Ask your doctor though, don't buy it on line or from a gym.

[JimG]

 Slowlegs, on Feb 28 2010, 07:27 PM, said:

I have been on it for 24 years but mine was because I was castrated in my original injury and obviously don't make my own any more. It can definitely help rebuild muscle and help your bones mend and make them stronger. There are also serious side effects. It can cause liver failure, cause changes in mood (look for roid rage videos on Youtube ) and permanent erections. It also can change your voice so if you're planning an American Idol career, sing for a living or drink a lot you should really consider the side effects. They can be very serious. For some, not having it can also have serious side effects. Ask your doctor though, don't buy it on line or from a gym.

The testosterone doesn't lower my voice, but the Oxandrolone sure does.

My wife and I lead a music group at church every week and play funerals several times/year, so I sing a lot and when I'm on Oxandrolone....I can't float up to the higher notes as easily.

As far as liver function, I take an herbal supplement that keeps my liver working good (I still get it tested every 6 weeks).

Plus I eat extremely good, don't drink, or take pain meds that are hard on the liver, which helps.

In addition, when you do Test, you need to take Arimidex, or similar drugs to keep your estrogen levels in check.

As far as frequent erections.....uhm....yeah....that too.

Fortunately, I have a very accommodating wife who's willing to help out there.

As I wrote earlier....you need to know what you're doing and unfortunately, most doctors don't.

[Big E]

Before my accident, I was a hardcore competitive bodybuilder. I have also probably forgot more on the steroid subject than most doctors will ever know. I have been paralyzed for 2 yrs now and spent that first 2yrs feeling depressed and sorry for myself. Now, I have once again begun to train like I used to and feel so much better, and yes I am using steroids and GH, it is rather pointless to use just GH if you are not going to add some sort of testosterone also. I could give you tons of info on the subject if you are interested. I have only recently restarted my use but already notice a decrease in my chronic pain, a definite increase in strength and a feeling of general well being. Feel free to contact me if you want to talk about it. Take Care.

[Patferr]

 Big E, on 07 June 2011 - 09:28 PM, said:

Before my accident, I was a hardcore competitive bodybuilder. I have also probably forgot more on the steroid subject than most doctors will ever know. I have been paralyzed for 2 yrs now and spent that first 2yrs feeling depressed and sorry for myself. Now, I have once again begun to train like I used to and feel so much better, and yes I am using steroids and GH, it is rather pointless to use just GH if you are not going to add some sort of testosterone also. I could give you tons of info on the subject if you are interested. I have only recently restarted my use but already notice a decrease in my chronic pain, a definite increase in strength and a feeling of general well being. Feel free to contact me if you want to talk about it. Take Care. ripped one.jpg

Big E, I used to play college football and then went to play in the Pro's and got an SCI on a block (I was an offensive lineman) and it ended my career. My injury was to a very unusual area for athletes, it was at T-11/12 and after my surgery in 1990, I had some lasting effects of Chronic pain and depression (mainly because I couldn't play the game I loved so much anymore). I finally was able to deal with that emotion with help from a psychologist and I was able to go back to work.

In 2002, as I was at work, I was walking the stairs (for exercise, we always took the stairs) I noticed that my legs just didn't want to work. It wasn't that I was out of shape or huffing and puffing, but it was like the signals I was sending to my legs to work weren't totally getting there. I went to get checked out and sure enough, there was a spinal cord tumor growing exactly where they had fused my spin back together (at T-11/12). The fusion pointed directly at the middle of this tumor.

I had a neurologist remove the tumor, and after all was said and done, I was told this mass was not actually a tumor but a pseudo-tumor caused by an injury. After the surgery, I had many problems. This thing was all entwined in my spinal cord at at that level, it has not started to branch out yet, so he had to pull the strands apart, and it messed up my GI system, and affected my rectal area as well as my right butt cheek and then my knees and below on both legs felt like pins and needles and my right foot basically felt like a stump. I eventually was able to walk, but it was tough. I went to PT and walked on a local walking trail and actually got up to 2 miles, but by the end of that, I felt my legs were like rubber. Nothing seemed to be getting better for me. I had awful headaches, lots of pain, which I was taking oxycontin/oxycodone (and have been on about 80mg per day since 2002) I have this inner tingling feeling (like pins and needles sort of) that goes deep into my gut, and it causes the sensation in my rectal area that makes me feel like my rectum is trying to turn itself inside out, or like I am really pushing to have a BM, but I am just standing/sitting/laying there relaxing otherwise, and it's almost like pure torture. Oh, the mass re-appeared in early 2003 and this time, they blasted it with low-dose radiation therapy which apparently killed the thing because it has not come back since, but after that radiaton treatment, I lost most of my leg strength, my libido was gone (I was 38 years old at the time) and I have suffered with this awful feeling ever since. I am unable to walk hardly at all anymore, and I just recently got my testosterone levels checked, and a normal of 400-700 (whatevers, I don't know what those numbers meant) but my number was 10.

I just started testosterone injections once a week, and I am very interested in the HGH part of your post. Do you think those would help me in any way? I have been sent to see an endocinologist, but I have learned over the years that doctors pretend to know more than they actually know, and I have been very disappointed in the level of competence of the doctors I have seen, and I live in Seattle, where they have the University of Washington Medical Center where I would think some of the best doctors would be, but they all scratch their heads and asses and can't seem to help me at all. I had to request to have my testosterone tested because I just felt like it might be low. I have no energy, I try to "workout" by walking with a walker, but I never seem to be able to make any gains, nothing like when I was in my playing days, and I was pretty much oblivious to pain. I dislocated my finger in one game, and I thought it was broken at first, and was going to come off the field, but when I saw it was just dislocated, I pulled on it and put it back in place myself, and finished the drive we were on before I saw a trainer on the sideline who just sprayed some cold something on it and taped it up and I kept on playing. Pain never affected me that much, but this pain, and this tingling feeling in my gut that affects my rectum is almost like torture. I take pain killers, but they just knock the edge off, and taking more pain killers never seems to make a difference.

I have noticed that Lyrica, that nerve medicine that they give to fibromyalgia patients seems to help a lot, so I take that, but I am hoping that if I can get my testosterone levels back up to a higher level and maybe trying the HGH route, it that wouldn't help me to get to where I could walk again, and maybe get back in the gym (even though I am 46 years old) and get some of my muscle mass back and get rid of this belly fat and I used to have a massive chest that now looks like I have haunches under my arms and it just hangs there, and I hate it.

I apologize about the long post, but I am 100% ignorant about HGH and I took testosterone only one time in my life, and that was for 3 months before I went to NFL training camp and it made me so focused and I was just able to concentrate and really focus and was very tenacious in the weight room and such, and I know it was the test I was using. I felt great for those 3 months and a few months afterwards. I also took dinabol which, I was told at mini-camp that all the NFL linemen were on something and I needed to get on it if I was going to compete with them, so that's when I did the 3 month thing. I never did it again. I just would like to find something that could help me with my chronic pain of 8-9 years that has brought me down to the lowest lows I have ever experienced.

I would love to find that "miracle" cure, but I realize that isn't likely, but I would like to try other areas than my doctors have been doing with me, and that's the PT and the psychology stuff which is ok and all, but just not effective at all, and I am tired of the stupid doctors that refuse to listen to what you tell them, they just make things up and go with what THEY know (which isn't much) and when it doesn't work, they just continue to re-try the same things all over again, changed up a little, and "DOH"....same results...go figure. I am having to start taking charge of myself and trying to do things for myself, and I have a doctor that will help me do almost anything if he thinks it will help me, so I am looking into HGH and getting my testosterone levels back up to a normal level.

I guess I am taking you up on your offer of "giving me tons of info" on the subject and to "feel free to contact you" on the subject. Anybody else that has anything to add I would appreciate the help so much. I am tired of the depression and the "feeling sorry for myself" I guess you could say. Since my issue is nerve related, I have always felt like there really isn't much you can do to make dead nerves "better" or partially dead nerves that cause tingling and pain and other things "better", but it sounds like if I could get my muscle building problem built back up, and my legs could at least get stronger to where I could stand longer than 3 or 4 minutes or walk further than 20-50 ft before my legs tired and wanted to just give out on me, and if I could get my cardio going again (I used to ride the stationary bike all the time to get my metabolism going and keep in shape). I don't have high BP, I don't have diabetes, my liver enzymes are perfect, as are all my other organs (my doctor tested). I do have high cholesterol that I am taking something for, but I don't eat right because I got to where I just didn't care anymore, but now, if I can find something to help me, I would love to get back to the gym and do some of my old workouts and maybe get my body back into some sort of decent shape. I sure would feel better, and if you noticed your Chronic pain was better, I would give anything for that.I realize I shouldn't get my hopes up too high, and I am trying not to, but this does sound promising from what I have read from different forums and such.

Thanks for your time. PatFerr

[Big E]

 Patferr, on 14 November 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

 Big E, on 07 June 2011 - 09:28 PM, said:

Before my accident, I was a hardcore competitive bodybuilder. I have also probably forgot more on the steroid subject than most doctors will ever know. I have been paralyzed for 2 yrs now and spent that first 2yrs feeling depressed and sorry for myself. Now, I have once again begun to train like I used to and feel so much better, and yes I am using steroids and GH, it is rather pointless to use just GH if you are not going to add some sort of testosterone also. I could give you tons of info on the subject if you are interested. I have only recently restarted my use but already notice a decrease in my chronic pain, a definite increase in strength and a feeling of general well being. Feel free to contact me if you want to talk about it. Take Care. ripped one.jpg

Big E, I used to play college football and then went to play in the Pro's and got an SCI on a block (I was an offensive lineman) and it ended my career. My injury was to a very unusual area for athletes, it was at T-11/12 and after my surgery in 1990, I had some lasting effects of Chronic pain and depression (mainly because I couldn't play the game I loved so much anymore). I finally was able to deal with that emotion with help from a psychologist and I was able to go back to work.

In 2002, as I was at work, I was walking the stairs (for exercise, we always took the stairs) I noticed that my legs just didn't want to work. It wasn't that I was out of shape or huffing and puffing, but it was like the signals I was sending to my legs to work weren't totally getting there. I went to get checked out and sure enough, there was a spinal cord tumor growing exactly where they had fused my spin back together (at T-11/12). The fusion pointed directly at the middle of this tumor.

I had a neurologist remove the tumor, and after all was said and done, I was told this mass was not actually a tumor but a pseudo-tumor caused by an injury. After the surgery, I had many problems. This thing was all entwined in my spinal cord at at that level, it has not started to branch out yet, so he had to pull the strands apart, and it messed up my GI system, and affected my rectal area as well as my right butt cheek and then my knees and below on both legs felt like pins and needles and my right foot basically felt like a stump. I eventually was able to walk, but it was tough. I went to PT and walked on a local walking trail and actually got up to 2 miles, but by the end of that, I felt my legs were like rubber. Nothing seemed to be getting better for me. I had awful headaches, lots of pain, which I was taking oxycontin/oxycodone (and have been on about 80mg per day since 2002) I have this inner tingling feeling (like pins and needles sort of) that goes deep into my gut, and it causes the sensation in my rectal area that makes me feel like my rectum is trying to turn itself inside out, or like I am really pushing to have a BM, but I am just standing/sitting/laying there relaxing otherwise, and it's almost like pure torture. Oh, the mass re-appeared in early 2003 and this time, they blasted it with low-dose radiation therapy which apparently killed the thing because it has not come back since, but after that radiaton treatment, I lost most of my leg strength, my libido was gone (I was 38 years old at the time) and I have suffered with this awful feeling ever since. I am unable to walk hardly at all anymore, and I just recently got my testosterone levels checked, and a normal of 400-700 (whatevers, I don't know what those numbers meant) but my number was 10.

I just started testosterone injections once a week, and I am very interested in the HGH part of your post. Do you think those would help me in any way? I have been sent to see an endocinologist, but I have learned over the years that doctors pretend to know more than they actually know, and I have been very disappointed in the level of competence of the doctors I have seen, and I live in Seattle, where they have the University of Washington Medical Center where I would think some of the best doctors would be, but they all scratch their heads and asses and can't seem to help me at all. I had to request to have my testosterone tested because I just felt like it might be low. I have no energy, I try to "workout" by walking with a walker, but I never seem to be able to make any gains, nothing like when I was in my playing days, and I was pretty much oblivious to pain. I dislocated my finger in one game, and I thought it was broken at first, and was going to come off the field, but when I saw it was just dislocated, I pulled on it and put it back in place myself, and finished the drive we were on before I saw a trainer on the sideline who just sprayed some cold something on it and taped it up and I kept on playing. Pain never affected me that much, but this pain, and this tingling feeling in my gut that affects my rectum is almost like torture. I take pain killers, but they just knock the edge off, and taking more pain killers never seems to make a difference.

I have noticed that Lyrica, that nerve medicine that they give to fibromyalgia patients seems to help a lot, so I take that, but I am hoping that if I can get my testosterone levels back up to a higher level and maybe trying the HGH route, it that wouldn't help me to get to where I could walk again, and maybe get back in the gym (even though I am 46 years old) and get some of my muscle mass back and get rid of this belly fat and I used to have a massive chest that now looks like I have haunches under my arms and it just hangs there, and I hate it.

I apologize about the long post, but I am 100% ignorant about HGH and I took testosterone only one time in my life, and that was for 3 months before I went to NFL training camp and it made me so focused and I was just able to concentrate and really focus and was very tenacious in the weight room and such, and I know it was the test I was using. I felt great for those 3 months and a few months afterwards. I also took dinabol which, I was told at mini-camp that all the NFL linemen were on something and I needed to get on it if I was going to compete with them, so that's when I did the 3 month thing. I never did it again. I just would like to find something that could help me with my chronic pain of 8-9 years that has brought me down to the lowest lows I have ever experienced.

I would love to find that "miracle" cure, but I realize that isn't likely, but I would like to try other areas than my doctors have been doing with me, and that's the PT and the psychology stuff which is ok and all, but just not effective at all, and I am tired of the stupid doctors that refuse to listen to what you tell them, they just make things up and go with what THEY know (which isn't much) and when it doesn't work, they just continue to re-try the same things all over again, changed up a little, and "DOH"....same results...go figure. I am having to start taking charge of myself and trying to do things for myself, and I have a doctor that will help me do almost anything if he thinks it will help me, so I am looking into HGH and getting my testosterone levels back up to a normal level.

I guess I am taking you up on your offer of "giving me tons of info" on the subject and to "feel free to contact you" on the subject. Anybody else that has anything to add I would appreciate the help so much. I am tired of the depression and the "feeling sorry for myself" I guess you could say. Since my issue is nerve related, I have always felt like there really isn't much you can do to make dead nerves "better" or partially dead nerves that cause tingling and pain and other things "better", but it sounds like if I could get my muscle building problem built back up, and my legs could at least get stronger to where I could stand longer than 3 or 4 minutes or walk further than 20-50 ft before my legs tired and wanted to just give out on me, and if I could get my cardio going again (I used to ride the stationary bike all the time to get my metabolism going and keep in shape). I don't have high BP, I don't have diabetes, my liver enzymes are perfect, as are all my other organs (my doctor tested). I do have high cholesterol that I am taking something for, but I don't eat right because I got to where I just didn't care anymore, but now, if I can find something to help me, I would love to get back to the gym and do some of my old workouts and maybe get my body back into some sort of decent shape. I sure would feel better, and if you noticed your Chronic pain was better, I would give anything for that.I realize I shouldn't get my hopes up too high, and I am trying not to, but this does sound promising from what I have read from different forums and such.

Thanks for your time. PatFerr

Well, I don't know if Gh will help with the pain, it has helped me with my pain as has the test. but it could be just from getting stronger, it definitely won't hurt to try. Yes, it will help you get stronger and perhaps give you some motivation to get in the gym and try. That's really the main thing, getting started is hard, once you get started you can keep training and the stronger you get the less pain you will have at least in theory. I take lyrica also as well as oxycontin and still have tons of pain, but without those meds, I can't even move at all. Yes, it's like torture for me too, but you have to suck it up and fight it harder than you ever fought or trained before. All the testosterone or GH in the world isn't going to fix the pain and depression as well as fixing your attitude will. I would try anything at this point, and sounds like you would also, if I were you I'd take as much test. and dianabol and any other steroids and Growth hormone as you can get your hands on. It's not very toxic at all, alcohol is far worse for you than any steroid or Growth hormone, the media will never let the general public believe that, but it's true. Just be careful because of legal issues but go for it man, it can't hurt and it just might help, but like you said, don't expect a miracle. Best of luck to you bro, Sincerely, Eric

[Tetracyclone]

Big E- Again, no one addresses the aspect of using these drugs in women. Is it because you don't find any information? Is there a circle of female body-builders who would know? how do I search?

[Charlie-boi]

 Tetracyclone, on 17 November 2011 - 01:51 AM, said:

Big E- Again, no one addresses the aspect of using these drugs in women. Is it because you don't find any information? Is there a circle of female body-builders who would know? how do I search?

I don't see a problem with hgh for women but I wouldn't advice steroids such as test! I know a few well known side effects on women which are not good!

[4tun8]

 Big E, on 07 June 2011 - 09:28 PM, said:

Before my accident, I was a hardcore competitive bodybuilder. I have also probably forgot more on the steroid subject than most doctors will ever know. I have been paralyzed for 2 yrs now and spent that first 2yrs feeling depressed and sorry for myself. Now, I have once again begun to train like I used to and feel so much better, and yes I am using steroids and GH, it is rather pointless to use just GH if you are not going to add some sort of testosterone also. I could give you tons of info on the subject if you are interested. I have only recently restarted my use but already notice a decrease in my chronic pain, a definite increase in strength and a feeling of general well being. Feel free to contact me if you want to talk about it. Take Care. ripped one.jpg

Went to the docs for bloodwork due to the interest of what my Test and HGH levels were. He called our pharmacy and was quoted $1600 per month for the HGH. The Test was $60 per vial that lasts more than a month, dosing once every other week. My Test level was at 283, which he said was in the lower half of normal for a man of my age. Can you offer any alternative to this pricey route, as only the Test is covered by insurance. mark

[Charlie-boi]

 4tun8, on 03 December 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

 Big E, on 07 June 2011 - 09:28 PM, said:

Before my accident, I was a hardcore competitive bodybuilder. I have also probably forgot more on the steroid subject than most doctors will ever know. I have been paralyzed for 2 yrs now and spent that first 2yrs feeling depressed and sorry for myself. Now, I have once again begun to train like I used to and feel so much better, and yes I am using steroids and GH, it is rather pointless to use just GH if you are not going to add some sort of testosterone also. I could give you tons of info on the subject if you are interested. I have only recently restarted my use but already notice a decrease in my chronic pain, a definite increase in strength and a feeling of general well being. Feel free to contact me if you want to talk about it. Take Care. ripped one.jpg

Went to the docs for bloodwork due to the interest of what my Test and HGH levels were. He called our pharmacy and was quoted $1600 per month for the HGH. The Test was $60 per vial that lasts more than a month, dosing once every other week. My Test level was at 283, which he said was in the lower half of normal for a man of my age. Can you offer any alternative to this pricey route, as only the Test is covered by insurance. mark

Exercise and the right blend of amino acids is the only other way to increase growth hormone!
Testosterone will be the cheapest route to take!!!

[4tun8]

 Charlie-boi, on 04 December 2011 - 02:57 PM, said:

 4tun8, on 03 December 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

 Big E, on 07 June 2011 - 09:28 PM, said:

Before my accident, I was a hardcore competitive bodybuilder. I have also probably forgot more on the steroid subject than most doctors will ever know. I have been paralyzed for 2 yrs now and spent that first 2yrs feeling depressed and sorry for myself. Now, I have once again begun to train like I used to and feel so much better, and yes I am using steroids and GH, it is rather pointless to use just GH if you are not going to add some sort of testosterone also. I could give you tons of info on the subject if you are interested. I have only recently restarted my use but already notice a decrease in my chronic pain, a definite increase in strength and a feeling of general well being. Feel free to contact me if you want to talk about it. Take Care. ripped one.jpg

Went to the docs for bloodwork due to the interest of what my Test and HGH levels were. He called our pharmacy and was quoted $1600 per month for the HGH. The Test was $60 per vial that lasts more than a month, dosing once every other week. My Test level was at 283, which he said was in the lower half of normal for a man of my age. Can you offer any alternative to this pricey route, as only the Test is covered by insurance. mark

Exercise and the right blend of amino acids is the only other way to increase growth hormone!
Testosterone will be the cheapest route to take!!!

The doc also stated that Test is a naturally occuring human growth hormone. His work with hgh has been with juveniles. Any amino acids to recommend ? mark

[Big E]

 Charlie-boi, on 04 December 2011 - 02:57 PM, said:

 4tun8, on 03 December 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

 Big E, on 07 June 2011 - 09:28 PM, said:

Before my accident, I was a hardcore competitive bodybuilder. I have also probably forgot more on the steroid subject than most doctors will ever know. I have been paralyzed for 2 yrs now and spent that first 2yrs feeling depressed and sorry for myself. Now, I have once again begun to train like I used to and feel so much better, and yes I am using steroids and GH, it is rather pointless to use just GH if you are not going to add some sort of testosterone also. I could give you tons of info on the subject if you are interested. I have only recently restarted my use but already notice a decrease in my chronic pain, a definite increase in strength and a feeling of general well being. Feel free to contact me if you want to talk about it. Take Care. ripped one.jpg

Went to the docs for bloodwork due to the interest of what my Test and HGH levels were. He called our pharmacy and was quoted $1600 per month for the HGH. The Test was $60 per vial that lasts more than a month, dosing once every other week. My Test level was at 283, which he said was in the lower half of normal for a man of my age. Can you offer any alternative to this pricey route, as only the Test is covered by insurance. mark

Exercise and the right blend of amino acids is the only other way to increase growth hormone!
Testosterone will be the cheapest route to take!!!

If you really want to got the steroid and GH route then start looking around on line for a good source, You can buy HGH illegally through foreign sources for 3 or 4 hundred dollars for one hundred i.u.'s sometimes even cheaper. Pharmacies and rejuvenation clinics in the u.s. or elswhere are a complete rip off.

[4tun8]

 Big E, on 10 December 2011 - 07:18 AM, said:

 Charlie-boi, on 04 December 2011 - 02:57 PM, said:

 4tun8, on 03 December 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

 Big E, on 07 June 2011 - 09:28 PM, said:

Before my accident, I was a hardcore competitive bodybuilder. I have also probably forgot more on the steroid subject than most doctors will ever know. I have been paralyzed for 2 yrs now and spent that first 2yrs feeling depressed and sorry for myself. Now, I have once again begun to train like I used to and feel so much better, and yes I am using steroids and GH, it is rather pointless to use just GH if you are not going to add some sort of testosterone also. I could give you tons of info on the subject if you are interested. I have only recently restarted my use but already notice a decrease in my chronic pain, a definite increase in strength and a feeling of general well being. Feel free to contact me if you want to talk about it. Take Care. ripped one.jpg

Went to the docs for bloodwork due to the interest of what my Test and HGH levels were. He called our pharmacy and was quoted $1600 per month for the HGH. The Test was $60 per vial that lasts more than a month, dosing once every other week. My Test level was at 283, which he said was in the lower half of normal for a man of my age. Can you offer any alternative to this pricey route, as only the Test is covered by insurance. mark

Exercise and the right blend of amino acids is the only other way to increase growth hormone!
Testosterone will be the cheapest route to take!!!

If you really want to got the steroid and GH route then start looking around on line for a good source, You can buy HGH illegally through foreign sources for 3 or 4 hundred dollars for one hundred i.u.'s sometimes even cheaper. Pharmacies and rejuvenation clinics in the u.s. or elswhere are a complete rip off.

What's your opinion of the products at freakybig.com ~ Testanobol ? I wasn't planning on stacking. I just want to make the most of my limited function workout. I use the Vitaglide, but haven't lately. I just got a used manual chair to get under the machine w/o having to lower the armrests on my powerchair. That, and of course pushing my butt around. mark

[Charlie-boi]

 Big E, on 10 December 2011 - 07:18 AM, said:

 Charlie-boi, on 04 December 2011 - 02:57 PM, said:

 4tun8, on 03 December 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

 Big E, on 07 June 2011 - 09:28 PM, said:

Before my accident, I was a hardcore competitive bodybuilder. I have also probably forgot more on the steroid subject than most doctors will ever know. I have been paralyzed for 2 yrs now and spent that first 2yrs feeling depressed and sorry for myself. Now, I have once again begun to train like I used to and feel so much better, and yes I am using steroids and GH, it is rather pointless to use just GH if you are not going to add some sort of testosterone also. I could give you tons of info on the subject if you are interested. I have only recently restarted my use but already notice a decrease in my chronic pain, a definite increase in strength and a feeling of general well being. Feel free to contact me if you want to talk about it. Take Care. ripped one.jpg

Went to the docs for bloodwork due to the interest of what my Test and HGH levels were. He called our pharmacy and was quoted $1600 per month for the HGH. The Test was $60 per vial that lasts more than a month, dosing once every other week. My Test level was at 283, which he said was in the lower half of normal for a man of my age. Can you offer any alternative to this pricey route, as only the Test is covered by insurance. mark

Can get 100 iu for £150 here but its generic stuff!!
Exercise and the right blend of amino acids is the only other way to increase growth hormone!
Testosterone will be the cheapest route to take!!!

If you really want to got the steroid and GH route then start looking around on line for a good source, You can buy HGH illegally through foreign sources for 3 or 4 hundred dollars for one hundred i.u.'s sometimes even cheaper. Pharmacies and rejuvenation clinics in the u.s. or elswhere are a complete rip off.