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[pistol_pete]

Here is a story about disabled people being treated "equally".
UNF$%@*#BELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!
The two guys may be complete and utter arseholes, but hey, at least they don't discriminate.




http://news.ninemsn....chair-with-bars

Edited by pistol_pete, 10 March 2010 - 06:43 AM.

[mellowgator]

pistol_pete, on Mar 10 2010, 04:27 AM, said:

Here is a story about disabled people being treated equally.
UNF$%@*#BELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!
The two guys may be complete and utter arseholes, but hey, at least they don't discriminate.




http://news.ninemsn....chair-with-bars

how do you mean they don't discriminate? this is a hate crime pure and simple. this young man was singled out because he was disabled. these guys were looking for someone to mess with and they found this poor guy. the only reason he was beat because he was in a chair. how is that about disabled people being treated equally?

Edited by mellowgator, 10 March 2010 - 04:50 AM.

[Ratticis]

Douchebags

[pistol_pete]

mellowgator, on Mar 10 2010, 12:40 PM, said:

pistol_pete, on Mar 10 2010, 04:27 AM, said:

Here is a story about disabled people being treated equally.
UNF$%@*#BELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!
The two guys may be complete and utter arseholes, but hey, at least they don't discriminate.




http://news.ninemsn....chair-with-bars

how do you mean they don't discriminate? this is a hate crime pure and simple. this young man was singled out because he was disabled. these guys were looking for someone to mess with and they found this poor guy. the only reason he was beat because he was in a chair. how is that about disabled people being treated equally?

I was being sarcastic, sorry for my bad taste.

You'd hope that there is a sliver of decency left in some people and they see the chair and pick on someone else, these guys didn't.
I guess I'm naive to think that.

As for being a hate crime. I doubt they hate everyone in wheelchairs. He was just a soft target. Then again, people like that hate everyone fullstop, including themselves.

[ADP-10-08-63]

Then the real world can not work out why dissabled people become depressed due to abled bodied ignorance.
There is only help if the disabled people look for themselves as abled bodied ignorance is about as much help as a ashtray on a motorbike it alway's seem's like a battle every day with no-one listening.
And they the abled bodied call this equal opputunities.

Edited by Apparelyzed, 10 March 2010 - 02:38 PM.

[mellowgator]

pistol_pete, on Mar 10 2010, 06:16 AM, said:

mellowgator, on Mar 10 2010, 12:40 PM, said:

pistol_pete, on Mar 10 2010, 04:27 AM, said:

Here is a story about disabled people being treated equally.
UNF$%@*#BELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!
The two guys may be complete and utter arseholes, but hey, at least they don't discriminate.




http://news.ninemsn....chair-with-bars

how do you mean they don't discriminate? this is a hate crime pure and simple. this young man was singled out because he was disabled. these guys were looking for someone to mess with and they found this poor guy. the only reason he was beat because he was in a chair. how is that about disabled people being treated equally?

.
I was being sarcastic, sorry for my bad taste.

You'd hope that there is a sliver of decency left in some people and they see the chair and pick on someone else, these guys didn't.
I guess I'm naive to think that.

As for being a hate crime. I doubt they hate everyone in wheelchairs. He was just a soft target. Then again, people like that hate everyone fullstop, including themselves.

pistol pete,
in the us crimes against gays and blacks and other minorities are called hate crimes. i'm sorry i didn't get the sarcasim.

[ADP-10-08-63]

these deserve to be thrown to the wolves at h.m.p.pentoville and let them feel what happens when they find that they picked on disabled individuals.

[Skrads]

Both blokes have been charged and from what I heard, are going to be locked up. I think they are fairly young from what I heard. Their luck they didn't pick a fight with me. I may be in a wheelchair but I would have put them on their arses. lol

[gordonr]

Nothing beats the reaction of young skins or punks or homeboys pissing their pants when their "victim" lines them up with an actual firearm.

Oh yeah. I forgot. Your assailant might HURT you if you pull a gun...

-G

[MrBump]

its south west sydney ! this shit happens everyday...........!

offenders were only 15 and they will get off with slap on the wrist.
Its our crook legal system.

[edlee]

You're blaming it on the legal system???? How about their parents?? These two underage d88kheads learned to ignore the law and consideration for others, long before school yard friends were there to teach them. Every reaction their parents had toward others,,, or them,,, molded them,,, set them on a path. Sometimes society is lucky enough that someone else helps influence them differently along the way,,,, sometimes not.

I have been of the opinion for many years,, that people should be required to be licenced before being allowed to reproduce. Maybe contraceptives in the water supply. Whatever it takes to remove such cretins from the gene pool.

As for a hate crime,,, hell yes it was a hate crime,,,, but not because the guy was in a wheelchair,, but because he wasn't percieved as a threat to fight back.

This "hate crime" stuff is bu**s**t anyway. The idea that the punishment should be more severe because these guys "hated " the wheelchair dude,, than if it was someone they didn't "hate",, is preposterous. You do that kind of s**t to ANYBODY and you should get your gonads cut off,,,, hate or no hate.

Anyway,,, anybody who commits a crime of violence hates SOMEBODY,, even if it's not the one they attack,, so they are ALL hate crimes.
ed

[greybeard]

You got that right, Ed.

[gordonr]

amen

[Oldsparkie]

Makes you almost ashamed to be an Aussie, but then I would never ever go to that area at 11.00PM at night alone in my WC, wouldn't even go with company!!!!!! All cities have no go areas like that unfortunately.

[gordonr]

Oldsparkie, on Mar 11 2010, 01:59 AM, said:

Makes you almost ashamed to be an Aussie, but then I would never ever go to that area at 11.00PM at night alone in my WC, wouldn't even go with company!!!!!! All cities have no go areas like that unfortunately.

While Ed is on about sterilizing the underpriviliged classes, I would also like to weigh in on the political fringe...

How is it that we can patrol Iraq and Afganistan, but we cannot clean out our infested parks and subway stations?

What does that mean, a "no-go-area"? Does that literally mean that We the People are willing to abdicate our rights there (and especially the rights of all those unfortunate enough to be living in those areas)?

I don't get it. All those fine young men with automatic weapons, and we can't even command respect amongs the pushers and pimps?

What is the problem?

Best,

Gordon

Edited by gordonr, 11 March 2010 - 03:07 AM.

[MrBump]

edlee, on Mar 11 2010, 10:01 AM, said:

You're blaming it on the legal system???? How about their parents?? These two underage d88kheads learned to ignore the law and consideration for others, long before school yard friends were there to teach them. Every reaction their parents had toward others,,, or them,,, molded them,,, set them on a path. Sometimes society is lucky enough that someone else helps influence them differently along the way,,,, sometimes not.

I have been of the opinion for many years,, that people should be required to be licenced before being allowed to reproduce. Maybe contraceptives in the water supply. Whatever it takes to remove such cretins from the gene pool.

As for a hate crime,,, hell yes it was a hate crime,,,, but not because the guy was in a wheelchair,, but because he wasn't percieved as a threat to fight back.

This "hate crime" stuff is bu**s**t anyway. The idea that the punishment should be more severe because these guys "hated " the wheelchair dude,, than if it was someone they didn't "hate",, is preposterous. You do that kind of s**t to ANYBODY and you should get your gonads cut off,,,, hate or no hate.

Anyway,,, anybody who commits a crime of violence hates SOMEBODY,, even if it's not the one they attack,, so they are ALL hate crimes.
ed

yeh i am. One of the many things I blame.

yeh parents are to blame too. At the end ofthe day tho, SHIT breeds SHIT, and you can't control that !
And unfortunatly the SHIT breeds alot more than the rest.

The dude was just in the wrong spot at the wrong time, I wouldn't go there but he was a touro, and these kids were gonna get anyone who was seemed weaker than them.

I believe in capital punishment and the flow of more serious punishments right through our legal system.

[Ratticis]

How come if we have rats in our basement we get rid of them but when there is human scum in our city streets that's "just the way it is" and we "don't go there". We wouldn't avoid parts of our house because of a pest and shouldn't have to do so in our cities. Unfortunitly I don't know how to do this, but if we just go "that's the way it is" then nothing will ever happen. 15 or 18 or 58, these assholes knew what they were doing and should be punished accordingly. Why is someone under 18 imune to commen sence in the eyes of the law?
And "hate crime"? f*@k that! When I was a wide eyed nieve kid I never noticed that not everyone was the same, we were all just people. Then society drilled it into my head that black is different than white, male is different than female, fat is different than thin, and people should be segregated within society and only be aloud to like or dislike people based on 'what' they are, not WHO they are.

[Tetracyclone]

Well ratty, if you are ready for the extermination program just google neo-nazi.

[mellowgator]

Tetracyclone, on Mar 11 2010, 01:24 PM, said:

Well ratty, if you are ready for the extermination program just google neo-nazi.

that poor guy. he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. as the story has unfolded i see that it is just a couple of kids who wanted his hat. how f---ing sad is that. after watching the footage on the actual attack. i was hoping the wc guy would use his w-c as a barrier between him and attackers. this is truly a sad case.

[gordonr]

Tetracyclone, on Mar 11 2010, 01:24 PM, said:

Well ratty, if you are ready for the extermination program just google neo-nazi.

Pat,

That is rhetorical oversimplification.

I submit that there is a societal middle road between the passivity of collective victimhood and the excesses of a totalitarian police state.

In fact the receipe is well known. It was a corner stone of the American Revolution, and it is directly referenced in the Second Amendment, in the passage on Well Ordered Militia's. What is required is for ordinary citizens to understand that Freedom is not Free.

Now before I get all sorts of unfair allegations thrown at me, I must stipulate that I am not talking about the KKK or the kinds of militia's we read about in Iraq and Lebannon. I am talking about genuine citizen's militias officially sanctionned and chartered by the State, inclusive and ideally mandatory for all, with the exception of Consciencious Objectors.

Militia's are only bad when they are exclusive and partisan, which is why the KKK and the IRA are bad. But if the militia is the true volontary reflection of the population itself, then it's actions will be a faithful reflection of the standards of that population.

We do need professional police. And american history soon demonstrated that we also need a professional army. However, as every casual watcher of the Hollywood Western well knows, Law and Order (not to mention Truth and Right) could never have been established in the american west without the deputization of ordinary citizens in order to ride out against the terrorists of the plains.

So very simply: Mandatory weapons training and mandatory duty in patrolling the public domain, by all ablebodied men (and those females who would choose to prefer this to some other ort of service, recognizing that the average female does not have the DNA for this sort of thing), under ELECTED officers. Not to replace the usual police, but to supplement and to keep it honest (professional police are the kernel of any drift towards a Police State)

Are you worried about the mistakes of enthusiastic amateurs carrying machine guns? Well, which is easier for a society o bear... the occaisonal obvious and tragic mistake resulting in an innocent death (in an urabn environment of peace and security in all public places at all hours of the day and night) OR... a population which hides in it's homes like rabbitts, admitting that whole districts of our Free World Cities are effectively abandonned to to violence and crime (both random and organized)?

I know that my own choice is made. And I believe that the time has come to promote this program. A program which is needed to protect us from many present ills, including but not limitted to Nazis, Street Gangs, Organized Crime, and in a pinch, other corrupt and malignant organs of the state.

Best Regards,

Gordon

Edited by gordonr, 11 March 2010 - 03:07 PM.

[S&W Winger]

Exactly the reason to have a concealed weapons permit...I refuse to be a sitting duck...a "soft target" or any other phrase you choose...I am still me sitting in a wheelchair...preSCI, I was also a "soft target" as a woman, especially riding my motorcycle alone throughout the country...yep, there would be no troops with weapons to protect me, so I would need to do so myself...NOW more so, I must be prepared...sorry to the anti-gun folk out there: alone, women are "soft targets" and a wheelchair compounds the vulnerability.



My friend in his wheelchair went to an ATM to withdraw some cash...van pulls up, two guys rob him...a friend of his goes to an ATM for cash, van pulls up, two guys take his cash, make him withdraw ALL the funds in his account, then push him out of his chair, and steal his chair also...



...sorry folks, this is the Wild West (let's not even get into the genocide of the Native Peoples)...as if things weren't bad enough, with the World-wide economy in the pits, the situation worsens daily...and, sociologically, society is sinking along...let's have the kids listen to more gangsta rap and watch a few ever more violent films and see where we wind-up...oh yeah, freedoms...freedom of speech: freedom to spew hateful misogynistic drivel, prejudicial virulent vocalizations and call it music; freedom to film senseless gory blood and guts, robbing ravaging and raping, and call it an artistic movie (does Art imitate Life or does Life imitate Art!?)...well, I have the RIGHT to bear arms... ...AND "FREEDOM IS NOT FREE" for sure, so deeply ingrained in me that that decal with a teardrop of blood was on my motorcycle, I gave a Vet friend that patch for his vest, and the hat to another...Dad was a disabled WWII Battle of the Bulge Vet, and my brother, a disabled Viet Vet (yeah, I know, not a "justifiable war" though not many really are, and more people had died in the name of G_d but now it's money/oil/resources/strategic location, and as far as WWII, if not for Pearl Harbor, who knows if/when, oh nevermind )...



And yes, a 15 year old SHOULD know right from wrong ...unless of course, they were taught, imprinted, that wrong is right and right is wrong, and anything goes to get what you want...conscience?? There are some with defects: born without a brain, born without a conscience and/or "brung-up" with no morals, no sense of propriety, no courtesy, "no nuthin'" regarding fellow humans...slamming a door in another's face rather than holding it, etc....



Oh, and wrong place at wrong time? I SHOULD be free to travel anywhere, though we know this to be untrue...so those with brains do need to be wary, be aware, beware, and travel not only protected, but with knowledge of whence we go...screwed up World... ...or as the Sufi mystical poet wrote: "The horseshoes of this world are nailed upside down."



Love whispered in my ear:
Better be game
Than a hunter.
Adopt ignorance and roam free.
Give up the thought
Of becoming the sun.
Be a particle.
The horseshoes of this world
Are nailed upside down.
--Rumi

Edited by S&W Winger, 11 March 2010 - 04:40 PM.

[Travelling Blackbird]

This hits too close to home.

Both my self-defense teacher and my therapist have repeatedly told me that unfortunately, looking weaker means being a target to people who are looking for targets. They told me that I need to understand that because we can't heal society as a whole, I have been and will be a target again.

The people who prey on someone who's already so injured and weak are twisted or broken inside, for many reasons. And there are people like that in every part of the world. Someone like that put me in a wheelchair, and someone else attacked me when I was already in a wheelchair.

I hope the victim of this crime gets the support he'll need to get through it and return to his life.

[gordonr]

Travelling Blackbird, on Mar 12 2010, 12:32 AM, said:

looking weaker means being a target to people who are looking for targets. They told me that I need to understand that because we can't heal society as a whole(emphasis added)

This is the logic of self-enabled defense including concealed carry, and of course, common sense as to when and where you present yourself.

However, a gimp is still a gimp, the frail and elderly are still frail and elderly, children are still children, and (Laura Croft not withstanding) females are still females.

All of those groups are at risk. And yet they all deserve to move freely about our cities by night and by day, and ultimately, they all require and deserve the protection of the greater society in order to do so.

Many societies use the pretended impossibility of healing society as a pretext for restraining the freedom of the weak, for restraining the freedom of females in particular. In such places, females are cloistered in the home in order to "protect" them from the inevitable violence which awaits without.

And the violence is real. But it is not inevitable.

We now, perhaps for the first time in the history of the world have arrived at an undersanding that the weak, SHOULD be protected. And there is no practical reason why it cannot be done.

Not by professional police (whose first loyalty is not to the citizen at all) but by the collective will and commitment of the whole active population.

Best,

Gordon

[mellowgator]

Travelling Blackbird, on Mar 12 2010, 12:32 AM, said:

This hits too close to home.

Both my self-defense teacher and my therapist have repeatedly told me that unfortunately, looking weaker means being a target to people who are looking for targets. They told me that I need to understand that because we can't heal society as a whole, I have been and will be a target again.

The people who prey on someone who's already so injured and weak are twisted or broken inside, for many reasons. And there are people like that in every part of the world. Someone like that put me in a wheelchair, and someone else attacked me when I was already in a wheelchair.

I hope the victim of this crime gets the support he'll need to get through it and return to his life.

traveling blackbird,

you certainly have a kind compasionate outlook on things after all you suffered. my hat is off to you.

[topperf]

gordonr, on Mar 11 2010, 04:06 AM, said:

Oldsparkie, on Mar 11 2010, 01:59 AM, said:

Makes you almost ashamed to be an Aussie, but then I would never ever go to that area at 11.00PM at night alone in my WC, wouldn't even go with company!!!!!! All cities have no go areas like that unfortunately.

While Ed is on about sterilizing the underpriviliged classes, I would also like to weigh in on the political fringe...

How is it that we can patrol Iraq and Afganistan, but we cannot clean out our infested parks and subway stations?

What does that mean, a "no-go-area"? Does that literally mean that We the People are willing to abdicate our rights there (and especially the rights of all those unfortunate enough to be living in those areas)?

I don't get it. All those fine young men with automatic weapons, and we can't even command respect amongs the pushers and pimps?

What is the problem?

Best,

Gordon

You would have loved Chile in the eighties and Pinochet would have loved you.

[gordonr]

topperf, on Mar 12 2010, 03:10 PM, said:

Quote

I don't get it. All those fine young men with automatic weapons, and we can't even command respect amongs the pushers and pimps?

What is the problem?

You would have loved Chile in the eighties and Pinochet would have loved you.

Topper,

No.

The situation in Chile was much more difficult and complex than people tend to remember. Abuses and violence were not the exclusive domain of the government. The violence and murder there were a manifestation of the whole mindset and culture of Chilean society. The idea of "good guys" and "bad guys" is ridiculously simplistic, just as it is when naively applied to the Balkans or Rwanda. In each case, we are able to identify who did the worst things LATELY. But we must immediately realize thtat the other players have done very bad things themselves in the not so distant past, and perhaps what is more to the point, WOULD do things just as bad if they only had the chance.

But that historical caveat made, the answer is still NO. I would NOT have enjoyed Chile in the eighties.

I am not proposing that one faction of society suppress another by force. I am suggesting that the whole society, through the medium of all of its members, assume responsibility for providing peace and security.

This is not a Facist program. Quite the contrary. This notion of protecting the weaker elements of society is in direct opposition to the Facist ideal which has historically resulted in the suppression of minorities and dependants, including the physically handicapped.

Best,

Gordon

[Wheelsonfire]

Travelling Blackbird, on Mar 12 2010, 12:32 AM, said:

This hits too close to home.

Both my self-defense teacher and my therapist have repeatedly told me that unfortunately, looking weaker means being a target to people who are looking for targets. They told me that I need to understand that because we can't heal society as a whole, I have been and will be a target again.

The people who prey on someone who's already so injured and weak are twisted or broken inside, for many reasons. And there are people like that in every part of the world. Someone like that put me in a wheelchair, and someone else attacked me when I was already in a wheelchair.

I hope the victim of this crime gets the support he'll need to get through it and return to his life.

I too ended up in the chair because of the cowardice of two scumbags who jumped me from behind when working security.

I disagree with the whole victim mentality though, I now have the strength to rip a man limb from limb and the aggression to be able to do it while smiling at him, please God someday someone will attempt to attack my gimpness and I can assure you he will pray for a complete SCI so he won't feel anymore pain.

[gordonr]

Wheelsonfire, on Mar 12 2010, 04:24 PM, said:

I too ended up in the chair because of the cowardice of two scumbags who jumped me from behind when working security.

I disagree with the whole victim mentality though, I now have the strength to rip a man limb from limb and the aggression to be able to do it while smiling at him, please God someday someone will attempt to attack my gimpness and I can assure you he will pray for a complete SCI so he won't feel anymore pain.

Hey Wheels,

Seems like long time no see.

Nice to hear from you.

However strong you may be there are others who will be unable to duplicate that strength. And we have a responsability to those as well.

Ideally, I believe we should create a society in which an admission of weakness in no way equates to a victim mentality, just as a desire to lower the boom on the malignant elements in no way equates to a facist agenda.

Best,

Gordon

[Wheelsonfire]

gordonr, on Mar 12 2010, 05:43 PM, said:

Wheelsonfire, on Mar 12 2010, 04:24 PM, said:

I too ended up in the chair because of the cowardice of two scumbags who jumped me from behind when working security.

I disagree with the whole victim mentality though, I now have the strength to rip a man limb from limb and the aggression to be able to do it while smiling at him, please God someday someone will attempt to attack my gimpness and I can assure you he will pray for a complete SCI so he won't feel anymore pain.

Hey Wheels,

Seems like long time no see.

Nice to hear from you.

However strong you may be there are others who will be unable to duplicate that strength. And we have a responsability to those as well.

Ideally, I believe we should create a society in which an admission of weakness in no way equates to a victim mentality, just as a desire to lower the boom on the malignant elements in no way equates to a facist agenda.

Best,

Gordon

Gordon,

Yes, it's been a while.

May I pay my respects to you and yours.

Although my strength has accumulated with mass over many years of lifting weights, it is something that can be replicated by anyone who focuses their mind and body, to ignore the pain that the body is subjected to, to manipulate the aggression to one's advantage is something that evolves over time.

To be in a position to be able to intimidate with mass, yes I'm sitting down, does it matter? No.
Why not? It takes but a millisecond to dismantle someone's illusions of a wheelchair user.

By this I mean, ripping his arm or leg from its socket and beating him senseless with it.

Intimidation has been an ongoing battle dating back to the creation of this God forsaken planet, from prehistoric times to modern day.
For you religious zealots here's some reading http://www.stats.uwa...l/ontology.html

Intimidating factors used in the correct format have decimated wars, hats off to the Persians,Romans etc

An admission of weakness should in no way equate to a victim's mentality in a perfect world, that world would also have world peace, eradicate the term third world countries, remove class distinction, hunger would also be a laughable concept, you can see where I'm going with this..

For instance, let's ponder over a little group known as The National Socialist Movement, http://www.nsm88.org/ for interested parties
These are a bunch of mindless Neanderthals who know no different, to be raised like a colony of rats, they teach their young as they have been taught.
Will this change overtime? No, not unless the equation encounters logic......I'll not go into what variant of logic, you seen where that got us the last time.

We will always have wars, murder, hunger, fear, intimidation, etc etc
It is how we deal with each encounter that will determine as to how much of a victim is created in ourselves.

Regards
John

[Wheelsonfire]

From your neck of the woods Pete?

http://story.irishsu...id/606975/cs/1/