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#1 jenny407

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 12:26 PM

View Postguido, on 03 January 2011 - 10:56 AM, said:

View Postjenny407, on 31 December 2010 - 11:51 AM, said:

View Postguido, on 30 December 2010 - 10:20 PM, said:

Though it's bad taste to say it, If things had gone differently 65 years ago, well this might all have been so different!

I was given a t-shirt from a Leipzig bikers club, and the 1st thing I noticed was that it was in English!

Personally, if I were german, I'd be trying to get rid of the euro millstone round my neck. Seems they're paying for everyone now. Maybe Merkel has designs on the Euro Presidency?

LOL guido!
Don't worry about taste - yeah, that's just the way it is.
Sure, we speak and write and think English when we want to show we're clever and cosmopolitan (so unlike the French).
All that euro crap? Definitely awful. Somehow it seems German government feels the necessitiy to be part of Europe (right in the centre) and to accept that kind of responsibility. People don't even complain much - we feel our economy is still quite strong, fortunately, and we just have to (and for the moment still can) pay. That's part of our history, I feel.
Merkel's plan? ha ha - perhaps!

Well, it's funny but Germany keeps creeping into my life, between Leipzig, suppliers in Berlin, a German cousin (fab wife of my cousin), friends living there. And it's a large part of the drive between here and Serbia!

Definite difference between Ossies and Wessies!

guido:

Seems this is drifting off a bit .....
but I do like the way it drifts! LOL

Tell me more about your impression of Ossies and Wessies and those Leipzig bikers, please!
(I'm in a hurry right now but will come back and tell you about MY impressions of Ossies and Wessies ...)

And yes - the UK keeps creeping into my life, as does the US. Funnily enough!

Any other members who feel Germany is creepy / ehem, comes creeping up?

jenny, feeling VERY German today (natürlich!)
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Posted 03 January 2011 - 12:53 PM

In all my german travels I found a north south divide
Now i'm talking about the 80's+90's
The further south you go - say munich and lower - the less friendlier the population gets
Believe it or not - friends in northern germany say the same
I hope it's not like that now
I also spent time working there when the 2 germanys were joining, and there was animosity between east and west when the easteners were coming over looking for jobs in the west and complaining that they couldnt get well payed jobs
I hope that those problems have also improved as the west has relocated factories in the east
I was working in Sindelfingen (Munich area)and out at lunchtime to get a few pastries and rolls to fortify me for the afternoon when i noticed - the counter staff were ignoring me and serving people to either side of me, they dont use the que system we english have used for centuries, so - I shouted at the top of my voice "I'm next"
Never had a problem in that shop afterwards
Another true tale - Drinking in the bar one night , they have a loyalty system where they mark your beermat as you order and then pay at the end of the evening
Well i overdone it and went to bed. Woke up went to work, then remembered my bar tab, ran round to the bar at lunch time, where upon seeing me, the bartender bent down and picked up my mat, payed my tab while saying sorry as i did so

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 04:01 PM

Thanks, dd.

Ehem ---- people in the South are not friendly??!!???? Hey, I live pretty much in the south! (OK, not quite. More the centre of Germany. I think spot loved the Munich area. But didn't she say people were unfriendly?)

Yes, of course, we don't queue. We always admire the English for doing so. And tell our pupils you have to do so. (Strange custom ...) Shouting loudly and angrily: "I'm next!" is actually what you do. And those beer mats still exist. Nice story, dd!

East and West is still a problem, mainly due to economic reasons. I have a lot of family in the east - and prejudices are plenty (based on truth, of course). You want to party and have fun? Go east, young man (and woman)! You want hard work conscientiously done, environmentally friendly, with lots of complaints along the way, all politically correct? The west is your place.

And those Leipzig bikers? I still want to hear from guido ... I guess they must have been nice. DD, you would have felt at home. =)

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The UK has been playing a role in MY life for a long while now. First place I went to when I was away from home for a few months, becoming independent. Wonderful time (South England)! Studies there for a while, travels last year for a few weeks with my friend and colleague ... Part of my soul is still in Dorset (because of or in spite of GB?). Just beautiful!

The US is just a place I have been planning to see for decades now! And I will .... The Everglades, Yosemite, San Francisco and New York ....

And France is my second home.

Jenny, cosmopolitan today =)
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:15 PM

Europe from the perspective of an individual moving around or doing business is great. I enjoy the euro. I enjoy freedom of movement. I enjoy being able to have two different meals in the same day, in completely different places, laughing with different people. I still find it extraordinary that there were such barriers 70 years ago when it's less than a days drive now. Still so many places to go....
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Posted 07 January 2011 - 05:45 AM

I was fascinated by Germany. I live in California, where an "old" building is left over from the Spanish mission era. Most of those are gone and most "old" buildings were built about 100 years ago. "What about the aboriginal people?", you ask? They didn't build anything lasting. Germany, and of course the rest of Europe, had tangible history. From my early college days in London, to my working days in Germany, I was seeing the history of the lands my ancestors. I decided I preferred my home, but I have a soft spot for those days. Maybe it was just youth. As I get older, I get sentimental. As most people do. Maybe it's just the big glass of Newcastle Brown I'm finishing up. :D

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 10:51 AM

Ah, the Importance of Place...like Time, space/place is just an invention of our unevolved minds to comprehend experience, or Life...we "place" or superimpose an order upon the chaos in a vain attempt to make logical, the illogic of Life...therefore, Germany, while vastly unique and beautiful from castles to cathedrals from the peoples to the music, is simply just another place...one place or another, a temporary space and time for one id one ego one superego one Soul one heart one mind one body to occupy and experience in one or more Lifetime(s)...



PLACE
A space that is an integral part and an extension of the natural world around it, yet reveals the individuality of those who reside there and allows people to interact meaningfully to create a deep sense of belonging.

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Importance of Place


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 01:39 PM

Thank you for your answers.

guido: Yes, Europe. I feel the same. We are incredibly privileged today.

Frontiers: I still remember when I was travelling with my now-husband, then-bf from France to Spain across the Pyrenees. A very remote small frontier post. Closed for the night - a barrier. So we really had to spend the night in the car, alone and lonely in the middle of the mountains. THAT was Europe years and years ago! (Romantic it was ...) Today, the only frontier checks within the EU are when you enter the UK. (They do check on us ... each individual ID card or passport, a whole coach full of pupils.)

The way youths today can study and work and go to school in other countries without any problems or bureaucracy and get to know each other is fantastic.

I have travelled to most countries in Europe (from Finland to Italy, from Spain to Greece) and love the variety.

And FRANCE is still one of my absolute favs - along with the UK, sure. :)

spot: Yes, history is fascinating! I love old buildings - Rome, the Colosseum, the Alhambra in Granada (Spain), Greece with its Acropolis, Paris, London, Berlin - all those churches and the castles all around ... Living history.

But the US is absolutely impressive, too. We made plans last night with friends on going ... perhaps in three years, let's see. *dreaming*

Bev: Ah yes. Of course. But our souls and ids and egos and super-egos do need a place to meet - be it only cyber-space --- don't we? I do get your point, though. Yes.

Two photos of contrasts: 1) the Alhambra, Granada, Spain (Arabic influence)
2) of course: Neuschwanstein, the most German of places

(We were at both places - beautiful, Spain even more ...)

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 01:43 PM

Contrasts?? Do you not see the similarities?? Take a closer and further look and you will certainly see...how two seemingly different PLACES are really not even two sides of a coin, but more related and identifiably familiar with each other...

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 02:14 PM

Both are surrounded by beautiful blue skies...

...there is water...

...architecture...masonry...greenery...

See? Please keep looking..?



Ah, and Souls...? Both places have a Soul...or even many...

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 03:06 PM

The beuty of traveling and experiancing, isnt stone and morter - all places will have their somin special place
People and cooking are the true joys of travel
The interaction with differant thoughts and beliefs
The new way of cooking the same old dish with new drinks and spices
I get a big kick when i leave the beaten track to a ages old inn filled with the local populace
At one time being invited to share a fish salad in Crete with the local fishermen, drinking ozo until i wondered how the hell i was going to get back to the hotel - then what hotel
True i was also there to visit the ancient Minoan sites, but its the locals experiance i fondly remember
Seeing the Konigshloss in winter and summer was a nice experiance - as a walker then though
Theres a steep hill to the main gate then lots of steps to be manouvered over now

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 03:01 PM

Give up, jen, one place is just as beautiful as the next...a matter of yourself...geographical cures never work, 'cause wherever you go, there you are...as long as you are content within, the exterior World is of less import...

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 03:11 PM

Ah DD ---
yes, right, Neuschwanstein was a pretty inaccessible example. Sorry. What about Schloss Sanssouci, Postsdam, near Berlin? Should be better ------>

sanssouci.jpg


And here for you - a real Bavarian Schweinehaxn (actually, I couldn't eat if for my life, but my husband loves them). "Guten Appetit!" ---->

Schweinehaxe 2.jpg

In fact, I only partly agree.
Yes, some of our most wonderful moments were encounters with people. A French couple who we met each year for some time on a camping site, going to restaurants together, with our kids ... He was a bodyguard at concerts. A German who told us he offered qi gong classes for prisoners (to reduce aggression levels) - first time I ever heard of qi gong. He did it each morning, in front of his tent. A Spanish couple, talking about love and / or marriage .... Interesting.

Food, sure. All sorts and varieties. A really very spicy Indian food in Amsterdam. Sea food in France.

BUT: Sometimes being alone with the wonders of nature (the ocean, the ocean!) and culture (all alone in Winchester Cathedral, listening to an organ recital, Picasso museum in Paris .........) -------

being alone is sometimes just what I'm looking for.

Perhaps not the thing for you, I admit it.

Come over, let's share a pint of beer in a pub! =) And a Schweinshaxn, perhaps?
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Bev: You're absolutely right. You've got a wonderful way catching the essence, the soul of a place.

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Give up, jen, one place is just as beautiful as the next...a matter of yourself...geographical cures never work, 'cause wherever you go, there you are...as long as you are content within, the exterior World is of less import...


Ah Bev ----
well, yes and no.
Sometimes it does help (me) to leave here to find myself.
But the point is, in fact, that you have to be prepared to meet yourself, wherever you go. Right.
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." John Lennon

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 04:17 PM

Schweinshaxn, yep, also hunters steak, nice, thick and raw
If you was to have a dangerous curry or chille - better watch out and have plenty of white wine available
World is full of unaccessable places to visit and stupid laws to keep it that way - but that is no reason to not enjoy, just a problem to solve

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 04:56 PM

View Postdangerousdave, on 08 January 2011 - 04:17 PM, said:

(...)
World is full of unaccessable places to visit and stupid laws to keep it that way - but that is no reason to not enjoy, just a problem to solve

Yes, DD, I quite agree.
Often it's just a matter of good will and / or money. (*grrrr*)

Go on solving problems!
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Posted 14 January 2011 - 08:20 AM

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Disclaimer:
Those who know me a bit know how I love playing on stereotypes. NO - they're not the truth. They contain a little grain of truth, sometimes. But they are just that - stereotypes.


This week, I found this song in a textbook. And coward me - I leave out all the lovely parts about 'the Irishman, Welshman, or Scot' (ll. 5 - 22 of the song). These lines sounded a bit harsh to me. No idea why? (*irony*)

Michael Flanders and Donald Swann
'A Song of Patriotic Prejudice' (1977)


The English, the English, the English are best,
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest.
The rottenest bits of these islands of ours
We've left in the hands of three unfriendly powers -
Examine the Irishman, Welshman, or Scot.

(... - leaving out the interesting part, sorry)

And crossing the Channel one cannot say much
For the French or the Spanish, the Danish or Dutch;
The Germans are German, the Russians are red, --------------- oh yes, indeed, they are! -------------------------------------------------------------... and the 'red' Russians, of course in 1977
And the Greeks and Italians eat garlic in bed.

The English are moral, the English are good,
And clever and modest and misunderstood.
And all the world over each nation's the same:
They've simply no notion of playing the game;
They argue with umpires, they cheer when they've won - --------- World Cup? fond memories
And practise beforehand: which ruins the fun.

The English, the English, the English are best,
So up with the English and down with the rest.
It's not that they're wicked or naturally bad,
It's knowing they're foreign that makes them so mad.

(...)



LOL! Yes, ye English - you're the best.

(Along with the Americans, the Australians, the South Africans, people from NZ, the Germans, the Danish - Thomas! - , the ......)
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." John Lennon

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 10:15 AM

My first visit to this thread, and since Jenny mentioned both the USA and prejudice I offer you Rednecks, by Randy Newman. You see, I hail from Kentucky...

but before we go there I contest a statement by Spot, " "What about the aboriginal people?", you ask? They didn't build anything lasting."

At least some aboriginal folks felt that is a higher value to leave no mark of your passage. The Spanish found California utterly enchanting with its many meadows, so perfect for grazing their cattle, with stands of trees already there to hold water in the soil and shade the cattle. If the natives had been civilized they would have had cattle, the Spaniards reasoned.

Well, that part of California had been carefully tended (groomed with controlled burns) for many many generations of natives so that the deer and buffalo would be plentiful.

The aboriginal peoples of California left a legacy of natural wealth and beauty that we still enjoy today because European styled animal husbandry maintained some of what they inherited for those who were there before.

Oh crip! Off the :soapbox: and on the Randy Newman (Bev, you know this one by heart, don't cha, honey?); date the politics to 1974



Last night I saw Lester Maddox on a TV show
With some smart ass New York Jew
And the Jew laughed at Lester Maddox
And the audience laughed at Lester Maddox too
Well he may be a fool but he's our fool
If they think they're better than him they're wrong
So I went to the park and I took some paper along
And that's where I made this song

We talk real funny down here
We drink too much and we laugh too loud
We're too dumb to make it in no Northern town
And we're keepin' the niggers down

We got no-necked oilmen from Texas
And good ol' boys from Tennessee
And colleges men from LSU
Went in dumb. Come out dumb too
Hustlin' 'round Atlanta in their alligator shoes
Gettin' drunk every weekend at the barbecues
And they're keepin' the niggers down

CHORUS
We're rednecks, rednecks
And we don't know our ass from a hole in the ground
We're rednecks, we're rednecks
And we're keeping the niggers down

Now your northern nigger's a Negro
You see he's got his dignity
Down here we're too ignorant to realize
That the North has set the nigger free

Yes he's free to be put in a cage
In Harlem in New York City
And he's free to be put in a cage on the South-Side of Chicago
And the West-Side
And he's free to be put in a cage in Hough in Cleveland
And he's free to be put in a cage in East St. Louis
And he's free to be put in a cage in Fillmore in San Francisco
And he's free to be put in a cage in Roxbury in Boston
They're gatherin' 'em up from miles around
Keepin' the niggers down

CHORUS
Look! It's a snail! It's a sloth! Able to creep short distances before lunch!

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 03:22 PM

View PostTetracyclone, on 14 January 2011 - 10:15 AM, said:

My first visit to this thread, and since Jenny mentioned both the USA and prejudice I offer you Rednecks, by Randy Newman. You see, I hail from Kentucky...

but before we go there I contest a statement by Spot, " "What about the aboriginal people?", you ask? They didn't build anything lasting."

At least some aboriginal folks felt that is a higher value to leave no mark of your passage. The Spanish found California utterly enchanting with its many meadows, so perfect for grazing their cattle, with stands of trees already there to hold water in the soil and shade the cattle. If the natives had been civilized they would have had cattle, the Spaniards reasoned.

Well, that part of California had been carefully tended (groomed with controlled burns) for many many generations of natives so that the deer and buffalo would be plentiful.

The aboriginal peoples of California left a legacy of natural wealth and beauty that we still enjoy today because European styled animal husbandry maintained some of what they inherited for those who were there before.

Oh crip! Off the :soapbox: and on the Randy Newman (Bev, you know this one by heart, don't cha, honey?); date the politics to 1974

Damn, you know I hate having to agree with YOU, Tetra! And the song was a nice touch also...oh please don't let me hit the rep-up btton... :head_brick_wall-1:

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 03:27 PM

And sadly, not enough has really changed in 37 years (47 in actuality)...I remember those times well...but there was acceptance when I brought home a black boyfriend...ah little bit less with my first girlfriend...though my very liberal family bred a wild and wily radical ready for guerilla tactics if necessary...even to defend the likes of a tetra and a jenny...and this is about Germans, after all, who rarely need defense except from my team, no offense intended (as you know I too am German)...lol...

Edited by S&W Winger, 14 January 2011 - 11:53 PM.


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Posted 15 January 2011 - 01:58 AM

View PostS&W Winger, on 14 January 2011 - 03:22 PM, said:

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Damn, you know I hate having to agree with YOU, Tetra! And the song was a nice touch also...oh please don't let me hit the rep-up btton... :head_brick_wall-1:

I will forget this ever happened. As will you.
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 06:06 AM

View PostTetracyclone, on 15 January 2011 - 01:58 AM, said:

View PostS&W Winger, on 14 January 2011 - 03:22 PM, said:

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Damn, you know I hate having to agree with YOU, Tetra! And the song was a nice touch also...oh please don't let me hit the rep-up btton... :head_brick_wall-1:

I will forget this ever happened. As will you.
Phew...thanks...I'd've just hated having to drag you over to the Banned thread in order to ban you...

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 06:26 AM

View PostTetracyclone, on 14 January 2011 - 10:15 AM, said:


but before we go there I contest a statement by Spot, " "What about the aboriginal people?", you ask? They didn't build anything lasting."

At least some aboriginal folks felt that is a higher value to leave no mark of your passage. The Spanish found California utterly enchanting with its many meadows, so perfect for grazing their cattle, with stands of trees already there to hold water in the soil and shade the cattle. If the natives had been civilized they would have had cattle, the Spaniards reasoned.

Well, that part of California had been carefully tended (groomed with controlled burns) for many many generations of natives so that the deer and buffalo would be plentiful.

The aboriginal peoples of California left a legacy of natural wealth and beauty that we still enjoy today because European styled animal husbandry maintained some of what they inherited for those who were there before.


TC,

Please note that I wrote, "They didn't BUILD anything lasting." A well-tended meadow doesn't count as a building. I agree, they did burn the dead grass and the brush to improve grazing for the deer they relied upon for food. I am not arguing their intelligence or their human nature. And once the Spaniards got finished planting non-native grasses, the place had changed. In this day and age, the importation of ornamental trees from Asia brought in a fungal disease that is killing the oak trees and many other broad leaf trees. In 10 or 20 years, this place will have changed dramatically. How will many of the animals survive, without acorns to eat? They may well not. I may lose my acorn woodpecker. :(

O.K., I've wandered everywhere except on the topic. Time to be quiet and go away. :offtopic:

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 08:07 AM

View Postspot, on 15 January 2011 - 06:26 AM, said:

O.K., I've wandered everywhere except on the topic. Time to be quiet and go away. :offtopic:

No, spot - don't go away. In fact - ME, I'm boss of this thread (am I?) for once. And I just love digressions (as you know, I should think). AND: I worded the title in such a vague way on purpose! "Other countries" just means anything. I LOVE any contributions to my thread. Thanks.

I did find this very interesting. Yes, I have heard about the harmful influence of foreign plants and animals in countries (Australia - with the rabbits, e. g.). The native population had a wisdom of their own.

No lasting buildings? Please correct me - I'm not sure. What about those Inka settlings? There were Indians who built lasting settlements, weren't there? Just not all tribes? Or am I wrong here? Machu Picchu in Peru, too?

Tetra: Thanks for the song ---- great material for classes, too .... Loved it.

Bev: Making my thread more interesting, woman, eh? LOL. Do Germans never need defence? I don't know. They do, sometimes. But they are used to defending themselves and not showing their soft, soft side .... We like to appear cool and confident (and that's what we are, damnit!). And our defence in soccer is fantastic!!! (My son is a defence player in his team.)
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 09:30 AM

The Mayan pyramids and villages have been uncovered ( yes I did go up the pyramid at Chichen Itza before it was banned...and also Tulum)...but were overgrown and going back to the Earth...

the cliff dwellings of the Anasazi, incredible to see and taste the Earth there...the Pueblo, Taos Pueblo longest continuously occupied settlement in this Land...

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Yeah, yeah, I know, I have to make a statement wherever I go, whatever I do...To Thine Own Self Be True...and look at the shirt not the old bird carving the turkey...

And white MEN committed genocide in this Land...and white MEN committed it all over the World...and yes MEN have performed such acts throughout HIStory...while women have had other work in HERstory...but that is all another story...

We were speaking of Native Peoples, variously, and the introduction of exotic species...here in Floriduh, the melaleuca tree from Australia (intro'd to help drain the swamp to sell the land for profit) and several other flora have displaced native species...now python are becoming an issue...white MEN have murdered not only the peoples but the Land here...the River of Grass...Pa-Hay-Okee...water running from way up near Gainsville into Lake Okeechobee then spilling down a sheet of water, a literal River of Grass (sawgrass) all the way to Florida Bay...a most unique ecosystem nearly completely destroyed by the greed of white men...there is no other Everglades on Earth....






I would ride my Gold Wing through the Everglades listening...and stop along the way for some iced tea among the cypress trees to just listen...cry too

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 09:37 AM

"I would ride my Gold Wing through the Everglades listening...and stop along the way for some iced tea among the cypress trees to just listen...cry too "

emm ice tea nice may get the trike out and join you hee hee
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 09:46 AM

Bev, thank you for your contribution. Just wonderful - and I love the photo.

(Hm, you do not appreciate male history much, do you?)

I agree there are amazing places - I'd love to join you in the Everglades. And Indian history is fascinating.

roo: You write something about the beauties of Hungary? My cousins used to go there on holiday.
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 12:06 PM

well a little read about hungary {jenny}

Lying at the crossroads of east and west, Hungary has been in the direct path of a range of cultural influences, yet it retains a character that's undeniably its own. Art and history enthusiasts can take in the unique folk art, a multitude of museums and world-class theaters, as well as magnificent Renaissance castles, Baroque towns, and Turkish monuments. The country's abundant thermal waters and elegant, active spas draw visitors from across Europe and the world. The arts and café scene of the refined yet animated capital, Budapest, is lively and diverse. On the rolling plains and gentle hills of the countryside, travelers can choose from spa resorts, horse ranches, and national parks for wildlife-watching and spelunking. Lovers of gourmet cuisine can indulge in Hungary's world-famous sausages and paprika along with wines of 22 wine districts. From the capital down to the tiniest villages, each community has it's own personality and all offer a unique experience.





Budapest

google_protectAndRun("ads_core.google_render_ad", google_handleError, google_render_ad);A complex and turbulent history, rich cultural heritage, and breathtaking architecture makes Hungary's capital a must-see for anyone visiting the country. With both broad avenues and inviting, narrow side streets the city is ideal for walking. Stroll along the Danube riverfront, through the City Park, or across Margit Island, then come downtown to wander through art galleries and antique bookshops or satisfy your appetite at any of the small patisseries and cafés. For cultural exploration, museums have been established not only for art and national history but for public transit, the post office, the fire brigade and almost every other institution or interest, as well. When you've had enough walking, stop in to one of the city's many ornately decorated spas to relax in the warm, mineral-rich spring waters.





Szentendre

Just a half-hour's trip from Budapest lies the crafts community of Szentendre. Originally settled by Serb refugees the town's Eastern Orthodox churches and other monuments still give it a South Slav ambience. The laid-back atmosphere makes it an ideal day-trip destination to spend an afternoon getting aquatinted with Hungarian crafting traditions in the many art galleries or relaxing at a riverfront cafe.





Esztergom

Once the location of the royal town, this small settlement north of Budapest was the birthplace of St. King Stephen, founder of the Hungarian State. The Royal palace is the favored attraction, but the approximately 300-foot-high neo-Classic cathedral, with the red marble Bakócz chapel, is also worth a visit. Other sites include a group of monuments on the Castle hill and the St. Adalbert Cathedral. Holy relics can be viewed in the Treasury of the Arch-Cathedral and the Castle museum.





Szeged

The third biggest city in Hungary provides a remarkably cosmopolitan life-style despite its sleepy college town feel. The most significant arts venue here is the Szeged National Theater. Housed in a Baroque/neo-Renaissance building, its frescoed interior can seat up to a thousand people. In summer the open-air theater on Cathedral Square attracts an estimated 4000 spectators every evening to opera, operetta, and musical performances. The local opera also holds its own on the arts scene, being second only to Budapest's opera.



Religious sites and historical monuments such as the gorgeous Votive Church, the Old Synagogue (designed in the Classical style), and the New Synagogue (Secessionist style) can also be toured.



Connoisseurs of fine food can fall in love with Hungarian cuisine at the Pick Szalámi and Szeged Paprika Museum. On the ground floor are exhibits showing the history of the salami and the factory, while the first floor presents the history of Szeged's famous paprika. Tools, photographs, documents, video productions, and 21 realistically-dressed statues all bring the exhibits to life. Samples are also given out to visitors.



Those looking to connect with nature will find inviting beaches, large parks, and a botanical garden to stroll through. The city also hosts speedboat races and regattas on its professional-level rowing course.





Pécs

Renowned for its music, opera, and ballet, Pécs is also home to the most beautiful Turkish monuments in the country.



The Mosque Church, a 16th-century square mosque with an octagonal green copper dome, is the largest building from the Turkish occupation still intact in Hungary and is the symbol of Pécs. Prayer niches in the walls, geometric frescoes on the cupola, and the characteristic ogee arches evidence Islamic presence. Near the Mosque Church is the synagogue. This Romantic style building, erected in 1869, houses galleries and pews of carved oak, murals on the ceiling, and a richly designed Ark of the Covenant.



Two museums also warrant special mention: The Victor Vásárely Museum and the Zsolnay Porcelain Museum. The Victor Vásárely Museum, dedicated to the father of Optical Art, presents many of the artists innovative geometric designs. The Zsolnay Museum displays the history and products of the porcelain factory that led trends in art and design in Europe for over fifty years. Many of the tiles produced by Zsolnay can be seen in the colorful and elaborate roof designs on buildings around Hungary.



The mild climate of this southern town may be responsible in part for the numerous open-air festivals held here. The Spring Festival, the Festival of the National Theatrical Assembly, the Festival of Grapes and Wine, the Drinking Song Festival, the autumn Pécs Days Festival, and the celebrations held by university students all bring locals and visitors out into the streets and public squares.





Eger

Although its claim to fame is the celebrated Egri Bikavér (Eger Bull's Blood) wine, this carefully-maintained Baroque town is also home to 175 protected buildings and monuments. For the best panorama of the city, try the 13th-century Eger Castle. Another worthwhile site is Eger Cathedral on Eszterházy Square. This is the second largest church in the country and the only neo-Classical building in the town. Stop by to hear the organ concert held here every day in the summer. In the town's Minaret Church, the northernmost Turkish monument in Europe and Eger's highest building, visitors can admire the carved wood furnishing and take a chance on the 100-step spiral staircase that winds its way to the top of the building.



Arts festivals such as the Festival of Baroque Eger, the Open-air Bath Festival, the Festival of the Valley of Beautiful Women (presented by a wine cellar), and a number of folk music festivals and wine festivals go on throughout the summer.



To the southwest of the town, down into the valley, is a selection of cellars and wine bars offering Leanyka, Egri Bikavér, and other local wines.





Máriapócs

This tiny settlement draws a steady stream of pilgrims to a gorgeous Greek Orthodox church that houses the Weeping Black Madonna. This large and intricately designed icon was seen shedding tears in 1696 and has been drawing visitors, including Pope John Paul II, ever since. However this icon is not the original, but a 19th-century copy. The original is kept in St Stephen's Cathedral in Vienna.



The Museum of the History of the Church contains a house maintained with the furnishings of an agricultural family from the early 20th century as a display of the childhood of two significant church figures of the area, Mihály és Miklós Dudás. A Gothic-style Roman Catholic temple is also open to the public. If it's outdoor activities you're looking for, though, the town also has a 13-hectare "free time" park with opportunities for boating and fishing.





Lake Balaton

This long, narrow lake situated about 90 miles south-west of Budapest is one of the largest lakes in Europe and one of the largest tourist attractions in the country. The lake's southern shore is a stretch of high-rise resort hotels and pockets of beach. The northern shore, by contrast, provides the quieter pleasures of historical towns, mountain hiking, and quality wine. The towns surrounding Balaton also have no shortage of attractions.



Porcelain collectors won't want to miss the town of Herend, where world-famous porcelain is crafted and hand-painted. Visitors can tour the museum and explore the history of these works of art through documents, photographs, videos, and displays.



In the historical village of Tihany visitors can stroll through an open-air ethnographic museum to get a taste of the lifestyle of 18th century peasant and fishermen. In addition, the Benedictine Abbey of Tihany houses an art gallery and produces a variety of concerts.



At the north-western corner of the lake is Keszthely, the "Capital of Balaton", where Classical music concerts in the Castle of Festetics, folk dance in Goldmark Yard, a July wine festival, and an August beer festival, provide plenty to do. Keszthely's Museum of Hungarian Agriculture presents pictures, documents, farming equipment, and farm buildings demonstrating the way of life of past Hungarian farmers.



One of the oldest and best-known resort towns is Hévíz, five miles from Keszthely. Here, in Europe's largest thermal lake, the temperature rarely dips below 85-90 degrees Fahrenheit even in winter.



The most popular resort of the north is Balantonfüred. A 19th -century meeting place for politicians, writers, and other cultural leaders, the village retains a sophisticated air and is home to a number of artist's museums in addition to its thermal springs.



At Balaton's southern end is Siófok, the largest of the lake's resorts. Crowds gather here to lounge on the beach and eat and drink their fill in local restaurants. If you tire of the tourists, though, head for nearby Szántódpuszta, where perfectly preserved 18th- and 19th-century farm buildings, barns, and workshops provide a refuge from the urban party scene.





Aggtelek National Park

Spelunkers and those in search of something a little different can plan a stop at the cave system beneath Aggtelek National Park. Located in north-eastern Hungary, at the border of the Slovak Republic, this karst cave system is the most studied, the longest, and the richest cave in the region. The Baradla Cave, known for its length, and its stalactites and stalagmites, is the most prominent cave in the temperate zone. Peace Cave also offers stalactites, stalagmites, flowstones for all willing to explore.





Hortobágy National Park

West of Debrecen, in the Great Plains, lies 80,549 hectares of protected wetlands, marshes and saline grasslands. Bird-watching is the sport of choice in this park, which is home to an estimated 310 species of birds, including many types of heron, egrets, spoonbills, storks, warblers, and eagles. The famous cold-raised Hungarian gray cattle, the racka sheep, Hungarian horses and buffalo can also been seen here.



Every region of the country and every town has its own personality, but all offer a variety of cultural, outdoors, and learning activities. The high culture of the capital and the country towns and the untamed beauty of the rural areas and national parks make Hungary a country that any visitor will want to return to

all the best
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 01:04 PM

"well a little read about hungary {jenny}"

Thank you, roo. 'Little' - I would like to see what a 'long' read would look like? LOL

Thank you for the info. Yes, my cousins used to love their stays in Hungary - swimming, and Budapest. And I saw some Germans posted in YOUR guestbook? Nice detail.
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 05:24 PM

View Postjenny407, on 15 January 2011 - 08:07 AM, said:

View Postspot, on 15 January 2011 - 06:26 AM, said:

O.K., I've wandered everywhere except on the topic. Time to be quiet and go away. :offtopic:


No lasting buildings? Please correct me - I'm not sure. What about those Inka settlings? There were Indians who built lasting settlements, weren't there? Just not all tribes? Or am I wrong here? Machu Picchu in Peru, too?


Not in California. I could travel to Arizona, New Mexico (assuming I could climb up the trails and cliffs) to see the Anasazi ruins or visit the pueblos. I could go to South America to visit the Inca ruins or the Yucatan to see Aztec or Mayan ruins. But California is just different. The local people built homes with marsh rushes. These can't survive. Besides, California is wiggly. Everything seems to fall down after awhile. But so much for history in monuments and buildings. Let's just say California doesn't have much in the way of historic buildings and leave it at that.

I decided to add that the GEOLOGY of California is spectacular and complex.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 03:58 AM

local folks from many cultures have found permanent buildings to be creepy. You want your dwelling to have life, which means a quick death and replacement after a few years.

Permanent buildings tend to be haunted with the spirit of things past- which is one reason we like them. We call it "having a sense of history." Very useful in a culture that lacks clairvoyants to keep us in touch with our ancestors!

Bev, I believe parts of the Aztec Ruins (oddly named) in Farmington, and Bandelier national Monument, both in New Mexico, are at least partially accessible.
Look! It's a snail! It's a sloth! Able to creep short distances before lunch!

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 04:35 AM

"well a little read about hungary {jenny}"

Thank you, roo. 'Little' - I would like to see what a 'long' read would look like? LOL

Thank you for the info. Yes, my cousins used to love their stays in Hungary - swimming, and Budapest. And I saw some Germans posted in YOUR guestbook? Nice detail.
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well next time i'll give you a long read on there history lol

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