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[wheels1974]

I have been using a Jay cushion ever since I had my accident 23 years ago. Never had any pressure problems and I sit on my Jay2 for 12 hours a day with no pressure reliefs at all. The problem I have been having over the last 10 years is when I purchase a new Jay2 I cannot urinate because the Jay cushions are too full with the Gel so I need Jay2 cushions that have at least 35% less gel then when purchasing a new one.
I just ordered another new Jay2, I order them from America because they are over $700 here in Australia and I can get them delivered to my door from the USA for $350 anyway I told them I want a underfill but they said they can only do a maximum of 20% underfill so I thought GREAT but I just received it and it looks no different from a Jay2 with no underfill.
So I cannot use it because when I sit on it I start hyperflexing and sweating. MY QUERY IS, HAS ANYONE EVER USED A GLUE ON THERE JAY CUSHIONS THAT WORKED REAL WELL? AS I AM GOING TO GET MY COUSIN TO MAKE A CUT IN THE SKIN AND TAKE OUT THE GEL MYSELF. I'M IN DESPERATE TROUBLE AND NEED AS MUCH ADVISE AS POSSIBLE TO FIX THIS PROBLEM. THE ONLY WAY I WONT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS AT ALL IS IF I START USING A CATHETER RATHER THEN CONDOM'S AND IT'S SOMETHING I WOULD PREFER NOT DOING UNLESS I AM FORCED TO AS A LAST RESORT.

I CANNOT USE A ROHO AS I ALSO CANNOT URINATE ON THEM.

[Irenec]

HI
My husband use to use Jay cushions, years ago. He had the same problem.Doctors and seating therapist did not believe it was the cushion causing all the problems. He went on to use an ISCH DISH from SPAN AMERICA.This was a life saver. all the urinateing problems went away. He still used a condom drainage.After five years on the Isch-Dish he's having pressure problems on his leg.He has just tried a new Jay 3 cushion, with gel. straight away the same problem as before he could not pea on it.
There must be so many people having a catheter inserted who really don't need one.and they don't know its the cushion causing all the problems.
Please let me know how you get on in the future, either with the Jay, or if you find a different cushion that works!

The new Jay 3 has the option of either Gel or Roho filling!

Edited by Irenec, 18 March 2011 - 07:51 AM.

[nomis]

An awkward problem, wheels1974, that's not easy to solve quickly.

It doesn't really address your immediate problem but I think it's time you had a complete seating reassessment. There's a hellovalotta product out there in addition to Jay and Roho.

One option that might be worth considering is a Jay Active. The good and bad thing with a Jay2 is that it's shaped deeper. With an Active, the fluid has a flatter surface on which to spread. As with any change in seating it'll throw your balance for awhile and probably give you a back or neck ache in the short-term but that's to be expected.

Best of luck with your cousin's modification. I hope he is clever.

[Smileyblue]

I have no clue about Jay cushions, so I might come off stupid, but my suggestion would be to use a syringe with a thick needle instead of a cut.. And then maybe something like a bicycle tyre patch??? Or what about "Superglue Gel"? We used that for our cue tips with great results, but that's rather off topic..

Best of luck.. ;-)

[WC_Sage]

Wheels1974 and Irenec,

Given that; in your cases, urination seems suppressed while seated on the cushion, is it plausible to try the following two experiments?

First experiment: Upon sensing the initiation of a urination event, try "boosting" (i.e., lifting the buttocks such that there is zero pressure on the buttocks area) for the duration of the urination event. Depending on your "boosting" method, it may be necessary to "sit back down" momentarily (a few seconds) and then "boost" again until the urination event concludes. After several such experiments, note whether or not there is a relieved urination event.

Second experiment: Upon sensing the initiation of a urination event, "boost" as before and while the pressure is completely removed from the buttocks area, place your hand firmly on the lower tummy area - the area close to the associated sphincter - and vigorously rub in a circular motion for 2-3 seconds (being careful not to do harm) and then remove your hand from the lower tummy area. After several such experiments, note whether or not there is a relieved urination event.

Upon sensing the initiation of a urination event in each type of experiment, try to observe if a small bulge, like a flexing muscle, develops in the lower tummy area.

[wheels1974]

WC_Sage, on 26 March 2011 - 01:46 AM, said:

Wheels1974 and Irenec,

Given that; in your cases, urination seems suppressed while seated on the cushion, is it plausible to try the following two experiments?

First experiment: Upon sensing the initiation of a urination event, try "boosting" (i.e., lifting the buttocks such that there is zero pressure on the buttocks area) for the duration of the urination event. Depending on your "boosting" method, it may be necessary to "sit back down" momentarily (a few seconds) and then "boost" again until the urination event concludes. After several such experiments, note whether or not there is a relieved urination event.

Second experiment: Upon sensing the initiation of a urination event, "boost" as before and while the pressure is completely removed from the buttocks area, place your hand firmly on the lower tummy area - the area close to the associated sphincter - and vigorously rub in a circular motion for 2-3 seconds (being careful not to do harm) and then remove your hand from the lower tummy area. After several such experiments, note whether or not there is a relieved urination event.

Upon sensing the initiation of a urination event in each type of experiment, try to observe if a small bulge, like a flexing muscle, develops in the lower tummy area.

All I know is when I sit on a New Jay coushion then I cannot pee. So I get my father to then push on my bladder and then all the urin gushes out. When I say push my bladder, what they do is clench their fist and push fairly hard on my bladder area or just above the pubic line. Or a better discription, they push on the lowest part of my fat quad GUT. lol

[wheels1974]

Smileyblue, on 18 March 2011 - 11:10 AM, said:

I have no clue about Jay cushions, so I might come off stupid, but my suggestion would be to use a syringe with a thick needle instead of a cut.. And then maybe something like a bicycle tyre patch??? Or what about "Superglue Gel"? We used that for our cue tips with great results, but that's rather off topic..

Best of luck.. ;-)

Not a stupid reply at all. I thought about doing this ages ago but never did and funny enough I actually got a cousin of mine to try it on a old Jay cushon first, the "AQUA SEAL" glue works well. However there are 2 skins on the Jay coushions. The top one is just a thin grey skin and the skin below it is almost like the bladder in a ball. The "AQUA SEAL" works well on both. I have yet to try it on a NEW Jay cushion but may be forced too.

nomis, on 18 March 2011 - 09:52 AM, said:

An awkward problem, wheels1974, that's not easy to solve quickly.

It doesn't really address your immediate problem but I think it's time you had a complete seating reassessment. There's a hellovalotta product out there in addition to Jay and Roho.

One option that might be worth considering is a Jay Active. The good and bad thing with a Jay2 is that it's shaped deeper. With an Active, the fluid has a flatter surface on which to spread. As with any change in seating it'll throw your balance for awhile and probably give you a back or neck ache in the short-term but that's to be expected.

Best of luck with your cousin's modification. I hope he is clever.

Cheers, Do you think the Jay Active cushions have less Gel in the fluid pad?

[wheels1974]

Irenec, on 18 March 2011 - 07:49 AM, said:

HI
My husband use to use Jay cushions, years ago. He had the same problem.Doctors and seating therapist did not believe it was the cushion causing all the problems. He went on to use an ISCH DISH from SPAN AMERICA.This was a life saver. all the urinateing problems went away. He still used a condom drainage.After five years on the Isch-Dish he's having pressure problems on his leg.He has just tried a new Jay 3 cushion, with gel. straight away the same problem as before he could not pea on it.
There must be so many people having a catheter inserted who really don't need one.and they don't know its the cushion causing all the problems.
Please let me know how you get on in the future, either with the Jay, or if you find a different cushion that works!

The new Jay 3 has the option of either Gel or Roho filling!

I just spoke with my Physio and she suggested I try a Jay3 so I will give it a trial as soon as I can, While im at it I will also trial the Jay Active if I can as someone below suggested it. Can only try, got nothing to lose.

[WC_Sage]

wheels1974,

Are you in the USA?

[mellowgator]

my first cushions were the jays and i had a lot of issues with the gel leaking out. i also found these cushions hard to clean if i had a bladder or bowel accident and eventually they'd smell. they also are heavy and add a lot of weight to my chair. what worked for me was changing to the stimulite honey comb cushion by supracor. this cushion is super easy to clean you just wash it and it dries in no time. it's super light and i haven't had any skin issues with it. the only issue with this cushion is that it works best for those under 200 lbs.


mellowgator

[wheels1974]

WC_Sage, on 03 May 2011 - 02:53 PM, said:

wheels1974,

Are you in the USA?

No I live in Australia. Although right now I wish I was in the USA as Winter is starting in a week and I hate the cold.

[wheels1974]

mellowgator, on 03 May 2011 - 03:06 PM, said:

my first cushions were the jays and i had a lot of issues with the gel leaking out. i also found these cushions hard to clean if i had a bladder or bowel accident and eventually they'd smell. they also are heavy and add a lot of weight to my chair. what worked for me was changing to the stimulite honey comb cushion by supracor. this cushion is super easy to clean you just wash it and it dries in no time. it's super light and i haven't had any skin issues with it. the only issue with this cushion is that it works best for those under 200 lbs.


mellowgator

Thanks a great deal for that information, I'll look into it. I weigh 176 lbs so it's worth a try.