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#1 love&hate

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 10:48 PM

Here latest post from dr.Wise. Its a good read so i will quote him from Care Cure forum for those that dont visit it.

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Respected Dr. Wise Young,
> How are you Dr. Young? I am one of your facebook friend. My spinal
> cord was fractured at L1 about 20 years ago. I am 48 now. My case is
> paraplegic.
> I had heard a news about stem cell trials going on in Geron company in
> Sept 2010. I don't know what is the progress w.r.t. these trials now.
> Is there any hope for us. Persons with SCI are living a painful life
> due to unablility to move, urinate and defaecate.
> Is there any more researches elsewhere also getting positive and
> hopeful results on the treatment of spinal cord injury?
> I request you to make me known about the recent results of trials,
> researches and experiments that are showing hopeful results with
> regards to spinal cord injury, especially old cases of SCI like that
> of mine.
> In particular I would like to know about the trials on SCI going on in
> Geron Company.
> I would be very greatful to you for providing me valuable informations.
> Thanks!
Much has been going on in terms of cell transplant therapies for spinal cord injury. Let me summarize the progress of different trials:

In 2010, Geron started the first clinical trial of human embryonic stem cells. Geron's trial is only for people within 2 weeks after injury and is a phase 1 trial, i.e. one that is looking at safety. As you know, they are transplanting oligodendroglial progenitor cells derived from a human embryonic stem cell line. To my knowledge, they have transplanted the cells into the spinal cords of two patients to date and the results of the trial are not likely to be available at least until next year.

ChinaSCINet is assessing effects of umbilical cord blood and lithium on people with chronic spinal cord injury, we have tested increasing doses of the cells 7 patients in Hong Kong, hopefully our 8th patient will be done in August. In the meantime, we are starting the same trial in Kunming, China, where there are more patients and should progress faster. When data is available from these two trials, we will apply for permission to carry out phase 3 trials in China and the United States in 2012.

Bioaxone's Cethrin had shown promise when applied within 2 weeks after injury, converting over a third of patients who are ASIA A into ASIA B or C. Cethrin is a modified bacterial toxin that blocks an intracellular messenger called Rho, known to mediate the effects of growth inhibitors on axon growth. It was licensed by Alseres. Unfortunately, Alseres could not raise the money to do further trials and returned the license has been returned to Bioaxone who is now trying to raise money for trials.

Novartis has apparently completed phase 1 trials assessing a human Nogo antibody. Martin Schwab discovered that antibodies against Nogo, a myelin protein, stimulates regeneration in the spinal cord of animals. Novartis licensed the technology from the University of Zurich. Novartis is deciding whether or not to continue onto phase 2 or phase 3 trials. Note that the treatments have been given to people within weeks after spinal cord injury.

Stem Cell, Inc. recently announced a clinical trial in which they are transplanting a neural stem cell line into the spinal cord at 6 months after spinal cord injury. In this phase I trial, they are first transplantating the cells into spinal cord of four patients that are ASIA A (complete) spinal cord injury, then three patients that are ASIA B (sensory incomplete), and then two patients that are ASIA C (motor incomplete). This trial is intended to establish the safety and feasibility of such transplants.

Several groups are evauating intrathecal bone marrow stromal cell transplants. A Cairo group and Alok Sharma in Bombay have transplanted autologous bone marrow stromal cells into several hundred patients. While, both groups have reported improvements in patients, these trials have not been controlled and the data is not yet convincing. Dozen of clinics around the world are now offering intrathecal transplantation of autologous bone marrow cells around the world.

In Jordan and Dubai, two groups have been transplanting autologous CD34+ bone marrow cells directly into spinal cords of people with chronic spinal cord injury. Based on presentations that I have seen of these studies, the patients have had some sensory and motor return but these are not controlled studies and it is not clear how much of the recovery were due to the surgery alone. Also, long-term followup studies are not yet available.

In China, Hongyun Huang has published reported indicating experience transplanting fetal olfactory ensheathing glial (OEG) cells into the spinal cord and brains of over 1600 patients with spinal cord injury and other conditions. Four other groups in China have published smaller series of OEG transplants into spinal cord injury that confirm that the transplants may improve sensory function but have limited motor effects. Unfortunately, none of these trials have been controlled and most doctors around the world are not convinced of the results. On the other hand, even though uncontrolled, these trials strongly suggest that transplantation of cells into the spinal cord does not cause loss of motor or sensory function.

So far, OEG transplants have not yielded impressive motor recovery. This may be because the cells come from aborted fetuses and are not matched (HLA or otherwise) with the recipients. Animal experiments indicate that OEG cells are rejected from the spinal cord within weeks after transplantation. This may explain why there is an initial spate of sensory improvement during the first few weeks and then no more improvement after that. This may be true of all fetal cell transplants, which are not matched with the recipients and therefore are likely to be rejected.

To get around the problem of heterologous (i.e. non-HLA-matched or allogeneic) olfactory ensheathing glial cell transplants, several investigators have tried to obtain OEG cells from the same person. There are two potential sources of autologous OEG: the nasal mucosa and the olfactory bulb. Several groups claim to have grown OEG cells from nasal mucosa. Drs. Alan McKay-Sims and Tim Geraughy in Brisbane, Australia reported isolating olfactory ensheathing glia from the nasal mucosa of 2 patients and transplanting them into the spinal cord injury site. They did not find significant functional improvement. Dr. Carlos Lima from Lisbon in Portugal transplanted nasal mucosa into the spinal cords of about 160 patients with chronic spinal cord injury. He has reported the outcomes of a relatively small number of subjects. The recovery appears to be limited although Lima recently published a study reporting motor recovery in patients who engage in intensive motor exercise for years after the transplantation.

Three groups have been making questionable claims. Geeta Shroff of Delhi, India, claims to be transplanting embryonic stem cells but has provided no data concerning the origin of the cells or treatment results other than news reports. Another is Beike Biotechnology, which advertises non-HLA-matched CD34+ umbilical cord blood cells infused for intravenous or intrathecal administration into patients with chronic spinal cord injury and other conditions. Finally, X-cells in Germany processes bone marrow cells and the cells are then transplanted into the patients by doctors in Germany. X-cell was recently closed by German authorities.
In my opinion, these groups are making false claims concerning the efficacy and safety of their therapies.

In summary, many cell transplant trials are going on around the world. The Geron trial is transplanting oligodendroglial progenitor cells into subacute spinal cord injury (2 weeks after injury). ChinaSCINet is evaluating HLA-matched mononuclear cells and lithium treatment of chronic spinal cord injury (>1 year after injury). Stem Cells, Inc. is transplanting neural stem cells (human fetal cell line) into the spinal cord of patients at 6 months after injury. Several groups in China have been transplanting human fetal olfactory ensheathing glial cells. Several groups in China and the Middle East have been transplanting autologous bone marrow into the spinal cord. Many groups in China, India, Jordan, and Egypt have been transplanting autologous bone marrow cells intrathecally. To date, I don't think the data is convincing yet that any of these transplants are bringing back function. There is not yet sufficient information to recommend any of the cell transplants. We need more trials of combination therapies.

I hope that this is helpful.

Wise.

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Theres a lot more that has to be done but at least something is happening.

ps. sci1998 you are not welcome to post in this thread. We dont need another pointless discussion.

Edited by love&hate, 03 August 2011 - 05:22 PM.

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#2 Grinch83

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 07:33 PM

Thanks for this!

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 10:18 PM

Thanks, been looking for something like this for ages

#4 Charlie-boi

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 02:46 AM

I'm flying to Switzerland later this month for the stem cell Inc trial :)

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 03:34 AM

View PostCharlie-boi, on 04 September 2011 - 02:46 AM, said:

I'm flying to Switzerland later this month for the stem cell Inc trial :)



i just returned from camp discovery and my roommate there had 3 series of stem cell treatments. she later found out it was a fraud and all the testimonies were false. she was scammed and a lot of people are finding this.

i'm sure you have checked this organization out. it just really stuck in my head that desperate people are spending their live savings on a hoax.


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Posted 04 September 2011 - 09:00 AM

View Postmellowgator, on 04 September 2011 - 03:34 AM, said:

View PostCharlie-boi, on 04 September 2011 - 02:46 AM, said:

I'm flying to Switzerland later this month for the stem cell Inc trial :)



i just returned from camp discovery and my roommate there had 3 series of stem cell treatments. she later found out it was a fraud and all the testimonies were false. she was scammed and a lot of people are finding this.

i'm sure you have checked this organization out. it just really stuck in my head that desperate people are spending their live savings on a hoax.


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The Stem Cell Inc trial, from what I gather on their website, is a legitimate trial that does not charge participants money.
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 10:19 AM

Instead of going over sea and hoping for the best . with trials that are not yet proving . Why not but the money in to www.spinal-research.org in the uk

I do wonder if all the ones that or on this from was to give we might get things moving a long

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 10:21 AM

View PostCharlie-boi, on 04 September 2011 - 02:46 AM, said:

I'm flying to Switzerland later this month for the stem cell Inc trial :)

Charlie boi oi oi oi,

that is great! :) im chuffed for you. need to know how you got on it.

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#9 Charlie-boi

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 12:22 AM

It wasn't easy kell I'm not a definit participant yet their flying me over with my Sis for scan so if everythings as it should be I'm ok to go ahead ;) I think some said something about spinal research uk! Tbh I don't think they have any money! Found it abit of a joke in spinal unit hospitals an organisation like spinal research doesn't get in touch with patients and explain/educate what research is happening or what possible options the future could bring! Because I know for sure non of the consultants have a clue!!

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 07:52 PM

View PostCharlie-boi, on 05 September 2011 - 12:22 AM, said:

It wasn't easy kell I'm not a definit participant yet their flying me over with my Sis for scan so if everythings as it should be I'm ok to go ahead ;) I think some said something about spinal research uk! Tbh I don't think they have any money! Found it abit of a joke in spinal unit hospitals an organisation like spinal research doesn't get in touch with patients and explain/educate what research is happening or what possible options the future could bring! Because I know for sure non of the consultants have a clue!!

You say they don't have the money ? probably true if you think of all the money other Charity's get and they are not
any closer to a cure . Well if we don't donate or give money ourself s no body will . It is up to us to try to get the word out a bout spinal research . Think a bout it did you know any thing a bout them be four you got injured or did any of us . You say that they don't get in touch with the patients. That might be true to a point for if they did then THEY are accused of taking advantage off us in a difficult time . As these other clinics is doing now . So it is best for you go to them in your own time with a clear mind i all so know they will be up dating there web page in a few weeks .Then we will see where they were and how far they have to go . Don't get me wrong i am with you on getting a cure why not log on to there www.spainal-research.org and ask them some Questions

Edited by skeaman, 05 September 2011 - 07:54 PM.


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Posted 05 September 2011 - 11:01 PM

I get what your saying it's just I think like Richard hamind did a fund raiser it had like the most PR they have ever had and all they made was 30 grand! That wouldnt pay for one operation for one of us! The only way is if there's a Market for a company afterwards to sell treatment that help people! That's the only way a company would put up millions and millions to pay for research! Afraid it's about making money not charity research!!

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 04:32 PM

You say it's about making money not charity research!!

I am sorry you think that but ask yourself did you gave any money to it . Or any one else for that matter . If you think a bout it if all that ones that is in chairs was to gave say £ 1 pound a day or 50p a day to research it
all adds up
like the U S A does we might see some thing . Trust me we are the only ones that will get us out of the chairs for
we are the ones it effects you are right it does need some one famous and well knowing to promote it can you are
any one think of a name . if you do why not get in touch with then and tell them we need there help .

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 11:27 PM

Yeh corse it would help I'm prityy sure most of us would pay more than a pound if we new the money was genuinlu going into decent research! Erm as for getting someone famous it ain't going to happen unless they or a friend or family member has been effected! I'm trying to find out iif a tv production would like to follow my story hopefully givving awareness to the plight of things like stem cells being justified and not ethically wrong! All these documentaries on stupid f*@king sob stories on rediculouse things like dislectia and people comeing out the closet etc when realy there are real serious debilitationg injuries which get know coverage makes me sick tbh

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 09:42 AM

http://news.bbc.co.u...lth/7240898.stm

here is some of the work that the spinal research is funding .But they could do more if more money comes in and where do they get the money from us for fit and healthy people don't care unless some of the family is in a chair . so come guys lets put some money to research



ISRT have continued the funding of this exciting molecule. The Cambridge group received the necessary funds from us earlier in the year to convert the molecule into a human-compatible version and early results suggest this conversion (which requires a lot of patient molecular biology) has been successful. This is an excellent step forward. In the meantime the group have made the molecule available to a number of other labs around the world and they too are reporting promising results. Such corroboration from independent labs is strengthening the case to take it into clinical trials. As I have said on many occasions, collecting appropriate pre-clinical data to support the use of any new treatment in humans is a protracted process and not peculiar to SCI.



Chondroitinase is one of the treatment concepts we are very actively advancing to the clinic. In addition to this we are funding a Schwann cell therapy which is being submitted to the American regulatory authorities for clinical trial. We also have olfactory ensheathing cells being developed in the UK under the leadership of a leading neurosurgeon. And there is omega-3, a compound that aims to reduce secondary damage immediately after injury.



Other news includes good progress on setting up a SCI registry and database in the UK.



Mark

Edited by skeaman, 07 September 2011 - 09:43 AM.


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Posted 08 September 2011 - 03:33 PM

View Postmellowgator, on 04 September 2011 - 03:34 AM, said:

View PostCharlie-boi, on 04 September 2011 - 02:46 AM, said:

I'm flying to Switzerland later this month for the stem cell Inc trial :)



i just returned from camp discovery and my roommate there had 3 series of stem cell treatments. she later found out it was a fraud and all the testimonies were false. she was scammed and a lot of people are finding this.

i'm sure you have checked this organization out. it just really stuck in my head that desperate people are spending their live savings on a hoax.


mellowgator



Was wondering "where" your roomate went??? Germany, China? just curious, there is so much out there it is nice to put a story with a facility.
Thank U!!




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