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[burn]

http://joshwood.com.au/

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hi Josh,
i never found it on the website, may i ask what level exactly you are – and whether you’re complete or incomplete.
thank you!

burn C6/7 complete

August 19, 2011

Unfortunately i haven't gotten a reply yet, it's the first time i hear of Josh's story (just got notice via google alert the other day) and, as probably everybody else, i'd really like to know --- is it a 'miracle' or a scam!?

What do you think?
Does anyone know (more) about this one?

[may my curiosity, against better knowledge, be ascribed to desperation]


Josh Wood

[wheeliebear75]

Did you try looking up ALL info including bio on him?

[dom]

burn, on 21 August 2011 - 03:06 PM, said:

http://joshwood.com.au/

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hi Josh,
i never found it on the website, may i ask what level exactly you are – and whether you’re complete or incomplete.
thank you!

burn C6/7 complete

August 19, 2011

Unfortunately i haven't gotten a reply yet, it's the first time i hear of Josh's story (just got notice via google alert the other day) and, as probably everybody else, i'd really like to know --- is it a 'miracle' or a scam!?

What do you think?
Does anyone know (more) about this one?

[may my curiosity, against better knowledge, be ascribed to desperation]


Josh Wood

i have no doubt its a scam, click the link to buy the book??????????? how obvious!!!!,he probably broke his back but didnt severely if at all damage his spinal cord

[burn]

wheeliebear75, on 21 August 2011 - 09:55 PM, said:

Did you try looking up ALL info including bio on him?

yes

[wheeliebear75]

I think I'd have to say I'm with Dom. You can BREAK BONES.....WITHOUT major damage to the spinal cord....& likewise people can also have significant spinal cord damage without any broken bones.

[pinkcloud]

I put trust in the doctors whom find us miracle cases, that they look into why, to see how this may have happened and perhaps look at seeing if the same results can be introduced for others..if ONE PERSON can be helped from me rare classed by some of me doctors as 'miracle' case..I am well happy for that. Because its only because of the suffering of all people with sci before me..that I have the treatment I do today..and I am so thankful to everyone of these.

If theres a cure for evil nerve pain..brilliant..thats us, MS, brain injuries, diabetes and loads of others who will benefit.

If there becomes a miracle cure....we will know about it.....but with thousands of us worldwide with injuries...some way more dangerous than others...theres going to be a huge waiting list....and theres only so many operating surgeons in the world....

so lets be hopeful for our up and coming fellow sci's.......and be excited for them. I am already..

Us...well who knows what science has up its sleeve for us..until then.....lets us on here continue to not be like Josh...and help others for free on here and in our personal lives....it the most genuine form of help, I believe.

So if this Josh bloke is a miracle, grand for him, I actually pleased for him....if hes making money for it...well so do lots of people by setting up psychic phone lines...if people want to believe it can happen for them too..they will....better them spending £10 for a book than £100,000 on some cult they get sucked into.

Edited by pinkcloud, 22 August 2011 - 12:10 PM.

[dom]

pinkcloud, on 22 August 2011 - 12:02 PM, said:

I put trust in the doctors whom find us miracle cases, that they look into why, to see how this may have happened and perhaps look at seeing if the same results can be introduced for others..if ONE PERSON can be helped from me rare classed by some of me doctors as 'miracle' case..I am well happy for that. Because its only because of the suffering of all people with sci before me..that I have the treatment I do today..and I am so thankful to everyone of these.

If theres a cure for evil nerve pain..brilliant..thats us, MS, brain injuries, diabetes and loads of others who will benefit.

If there becomes a miracle cure....we will know about it.....but with thousands of us worldwide with injuries...some way more dangerous than others...theres going to be a huge waiting list....and theres only so many operating surgeons in the world....

so lets be hopeful for our up and coming fellow sci's.......and be excited for them. I am already..

Us...well who knows what science has up its sleeve for us..until then.....lets us on here continue to not be like Josh...and help others for free on here and in our personal lives....it the most genuine form of help, I believe.

So if this Josh bloke is a miracle, grand for him, I actually pleased for him....if hes making money for it...well so do lots of people by setting up psychic phone lines...if people want to believe it can happen for them too..they will....better them spending £10 for a book than £100,000 on some cult they get sucked into.

yes i agree but the sad truth is most have a tenner to spare but not 100.000 so they think its not a lot to lose while this is true there must be a few people out there raking in all those tenners and making their 100k easy money i think
its a bit like putting a coule of quid on the lottery we all know we probably won't win the millions but are content to think we have a chance

if they had clinical trials as to why he can do all he can and then maybe the docs will come up with a wonder cure or put it down to his condition being less bad than was originally diagnosed but im afraid i won't hold my breath.

[mellowgator]

at camp discovery my roommate there went for stem cell treatments in the dominican. turns out it was a huge hoax and the successs stories were fake and this was proven. so please save your hard earned money.

[rollingtrouble]

No miracle here I don't believe. I've talked with other people that have broken their necks and backs and have eventually recovered. If he was a complete SCI he would not have recovered, he was obviously an incomplete SCI and was just very fortunate that he was able to recover. Good for him, but I don't see that miracle happening for me or anyone else by listening to his "motivational" speaches.

[burn]

Anyone could've achieved what Josh did, i understand, he's simply ASIA D.
They're riding the opportunistic wave here..
What i do especially not like about it is that it makes all the uneducated out there believe it's sheer will power that makes the difference, which carries at least some humiliation toward ASIA ABC in it since it's plain misleading.
Why fund when people have it in their very own hands.. i might be overdoing here though.

[pinkcloud]

Hey Dom

I agree, £10.00 is too much.....if indeed there was such a miracle, i am thinking drug companies would have offered him a touch more.... maybe they did and he said 'no' because he wanted to have his book in a bookshop.....and he thought everyone would buy his book because it was next to 'jordan the glamour models book .....it is..except not on the shelf...in bargain basket instead.


Hi Burn
Even us Simply ASIA D will be disappointed when our spaz attacks caused by our attempt to do much, send us into temporary paralysis and make us look like we are of a much higher level injury mind you, once the spaz's have calmed down (i am lucky they do and i am 100% happy i only a D) ....maybe thats what Jordon means...he can turn us into temporary ASIA B'S and back again to ASIA D's....yeah great not. He makes us look like banana heads too

Edited by pinkcloud, 23 August 2011 - 08:42 PM.

[allis53ca]

broke my neck in 90, no sci...happens regularly

[The Black Sheep]

burn, on 23 August 2011 - 01:52 PM, said:

What i do especially not like about it is that it makes all the uneducated out there believe it's sheer will power that makes the difference, which carries at least some humiliation toward ASIA ABC in it since it's plain misleading.
Why fund when people have it in their very own hands.. i might be overdoing here though.

I also have a problem with this. I think we've all heard at one point or another "you're not trying hard enough" and people believe it. If we're not as strong mentally to overcome a SCI then we're just lazy. I hate that.

I also don't like how his webpage mentions that he walked out of rehab after 3 weeks! 3 weeks? Sheesh, I spent 3 weeks in the hospital with one misdiagnosis after another! It was 3 months before someone actually said, hey, maybe this is a physical problem and not a mental one. No one with a complete injury walks after 3 weeks. He broke some bones, maybe some very, VERY mild damage to his cord, but he is in no way a complete, the way the article tries to put it. He was lucky, and I'm happy he was, but this is no more than a hoax, a media circus celebrating a mild injury as if it's a milestone. The poor guy has probably made millions now off his slight tumble.

And you're all lazy! Get up and walk!

(sarcasm)

[lavenderthistle]

I'm a cautionary idiot tale. I shared a little in 'about me' I broke my neck and never knew it. Compression frx 3 of them plus a hairline. They healed, but the three compressions started to collapse. I also ruptured and/or had every disc 2-7 compromised. I just had a 'burner or stinger' though I do remember the godawful, sickening crunching. I never thought anything of it, because ....people who break their necks must surely know it! NOT so.

My cord was injured primarily in surgery...I'm very incomplete, I walk, I move...but its out of sync and comical. Though things should get better, I'll never be like I was before. Not sure I care much either. I appreciate things more now. Since I'm so much slower, I also notice more.

So idiocy happens...not believing the miracle cure

[dom]

The Black Sheep, on 23 August 2011 - 11:35 PM, said:

burn, on 23 August 2011 - 01:52 PM, said:

What i do especially not like about it is that it makes all the uneducated out there believe it's sheer will power that makes the difference, which carries at least some humiliation toward ASIA ABC in it since it's plain misleading.
Why fund when people have it in their very own hands.. i might be overdoing here though.

I also have a problem with this. I think we've all heard at one point or another "you're not trying hard enough" and people believe it. If we're not as strong mentally to overcome a SCI then we're just lazy. I hate that.

I also don't like how his webpage mentions that he walked out of rehab after 3 weeks! 3 weeks? Sheesh, I spent 3 weeks in the hospital with one misdiagnosis after another! It was 3 months before someone actually said, hey, maybe this is a physical problem and not a mental one. No one with a complete injury walks after 3 weeks. He broke some bones, maybe some very, VERY mild damage to his cord, but he is in no way a complete, the way the article tries to put it. He was lucky, and I'm happy he was, but this is no more than a hoax, a media circus celebrating a mild injury as if it's a milestone. The poor guy has probably made millions now off his slight tumble.

And you're all lazy! Get up and walk!

(sarcasm)

Ditto

[Solidus]

Guys like you, josh wood, make it so much more difficult for us "completes", and I mean, are you listening josh wood, COMPLETES to explain to friends that no matter how hard and for how long I look at my legs, bum, tummy and tell them to just bloody move, that they wont, and no, I wouldn't feel that hot frying pan resting on my thighs no matter how long, but I might smell it...and yes I do have to ask when I fart if it was really me that made that wicked sound and smell. Grrrrr..
Rant over. Attempted deep breath. There, there, that is better.

[Parachute]

I have just watched the video and there was no mention of a spinal cord injury at all. The video showed an xray so where was the scan of the spinal cord?

Some of you are doubting and that is fair enough. If Josh has recovered then that is great. It is not a miricle, it is just luck.

Someone mentioned that Josh can not have been completely paralysed. Complete means that there is no sensation. I was completely injured when I first went into hospital but I am finally incomplete. There are hundreds of others out there who were complete at first but finally incomplete. Spinal shock in the first few weeks makes individuals complete but the bed rest soon helps and swelling on the spinal cord easies.

I myself are not convinced with what I saw on the video however "I must not judge a book by it's cover.

Every one else, judge what you like as there are no real answers to spinal cord injury. Remember the video does not mention spinal cord. Remember, everyone is different.


Parachute

[scaldedcat]

Parachute

You say you were a complete injury but now you are an incomplete. I'm sorry, but this just isn't correct. Having spinal cord swelling etc of course is going to change what sensation you get back once it goes down, but that doesn't mean you went from a complete to an incomplete.

I was told the day of my accident that my spinal cord was crushed and I had a complete injury meaning I would never walk again. This didn't depend on swelling going down or intensive therapy being able to change things, I was complete and that was it.

I am very glad that you have an incomplete injury and hope you make as full a recovery as possible. But saying there have been many people with complete injuries who have changed to incomplete is just not true. It is just people who have incomplete injuries to start with, regaining feeling over time. When your spinal cord is cut or crushed completely, no amount of time or rehab is going to change that unfortunately.

This if why it is frustrating to see people with incomplete injuries who have been fortunate enough to regain the ability to walk, speak about their faith or determination and the fact they would not accept life in a wheelchair being the reason for their recovery. Again, it is great to see this kind of recovery, but it is very unfair to people who have complete injuries (especially those newly injured)as they may believe that they aren't trying hard enough or don't have enough faith because they are not making these kind of recoveries, which of course is impossible with a complete injury to their spinal cord.

We should celebrate those who make great recoveries from spinal cord injury, but at the same time, make it clear to all the difference between complete and incomplete.

[paul1404]

scaldedcat, on 26 August 2011 - 11:56 AM, said:

Parachute

You say you were a complete injury but now you are an incomplete. I'm sorry, but this just isn't correct. Having spinal cord swelling etc of course is going to change what sensation you get back once it goes down, but that doesn't mean you went from a complete to an incomplete.

I was told the day of my accident that my spinal cord was crushed and I had a complete injury meaning I would never walk again. This didn't depend on swelling going down or intensive therapy being able to change things, I was complete and that was it.

I am very glad that you have an incomplete injury and hope you make as full a recovery as possible. But saying there have been many people with complete injuries who have changed to incomplete is just not true. It is just people who have incomplete injuries to start with, regaining feeling over time. When your spinal cord is cut or crushed completely, no amount of time or rehab is going to change that unfortunately.

Thanks for writing that, you saved me the trouble !!

This if why it is frustrating to see people with incomplete injuries who have been fortunate enough to regain the ability to walk, speak about their faith or determination and the fact they would not accept life in a wheelchair being the reason for their recovery. Again, it is great to see this kind of recovery, but it is very unfair to people who have complete injuries (especially those newly injured)as they may believe that they aren't trying hard enough or don't have enough faith because they are not making these kind of recoveries, which of course is impossible with a complete injury to their spinal cord.

We should celebrate those who make great recoveries from spinal cord injury, but at the same time, make it clear to all the difference between complete and incomplete.

Thanks for writing that , you saved me the trouble.

Edited by paul1404, 26 August 2011 - 12:03 PM.

[The Black Sheep]

Paracute,

I didn't mean to sound harsh about him being complete or incomplete. The article on his page talks about how his doctors expected him to be in a wheelchair for life after he "broke his neck while attempting a daring aerial jump over a road at a Victorian snowfield and became an instant quadriplegic." My rebuttal was towards the explanation that he regained his ability to not only walk, but to snow board and go one with extraordinary physical activities because of his sheer will power. That's what bothered me about his claim, because many of us have been told we're just lazy. We need to work harder. If Josh can do it, why the hell can't we? It gives the impression that anyone with a spinal cord injury can do it if they're strong enough. I'm sure he worked very, very hard to get back up. Maybe I'm just partly jealous because I've tried and tried to the point of passing out in physical therapy, focused for hours to move one toe, fallen off the edge of the tub trying to do something as simple as bathing on my own... Maybe my envy makes me bitter, but I feel I've put in so much effort and it's not fair. I dunno. I'm turning into an old grouchy lady sometimes.

Incomplete or complete, it doesn't matter. I'm barely an incomplete and have almost normal sensation but almost no movement. After 13 years I still mentally scold my lower half, but it won't listen. I've been told by friends, family, doctors, etc. that it's just a matter of wanting to walk, and they don't believe I have the drive to commit to it. The whole article gave me that impression. Maybe it's an inspiring story to AB's, to make people think that they should be grateful for their health and admire someone who can surpass expectations despite a devastating injury, but I think this audience has a slightly different opinion. Either way, though, I'm glad he recovered so well. I don't wish him anything but the best, but the person who wrote the article is exaggerating the circumstances.

Edited by The Black Sheep, 26 August 2011 - 02:44 PM.

[Parachute]

scaldedcat, on 26 August 2011 - 11:56 AM, said:

Parachute

You say you were a complete injury but now you are an incomplete. I'm sorry, but this just isn't correct. Having spinal cord swelling etc of course is going to change what sensation you get back once it goes down, but that doesn't mean you went from a complete to an incomplete.

I was told the day of my accident that my spinal cord was crushed and I had a complete injury meaning I would never walk again. This didn't depend on swelling going down or intensive therapy being able to change things, I was complete and that was it.

I am very glad that you have an incomplete injury and hope you make as full a recovery as possible. But saying there have been many people with complete injuries who have changed to incomplete is just not true. It is just people who have incomplete injuries to start with, regaining feeling over time. When your spinal cord is cut or crushed completely, no amount of time or rehab is going to change that unfortunately.

This if why it is frustrating to see people with incomplete injuries who have been fortunate enough to regain the ability to walk, speak about their faith or determination and the fact they would not accept life in a wheelchair being the reason for their recovery. Again, it is great to see this kind of recovery, but it is very unfair to people who have complete injuries (especially those newly injured)as they may believe that they aren't trying hard enough or don't have enough faith because they are not making these kind of recoveries, which of course is impossible with a complete injury to their spinal cord.

We should celebrate those who make great recoveries from spinal cord injury, but at the same time, make it clear to all the difference between complete and incomplete.

Hi scaldedcat

Sorry, I miswrote. I have always been incomplete but in the begining had no sensation meaning at that time I was completely paralysed. I was never diagnosed complete.


Once again sorry.


Parachute

[Parachute]

paul1404, on 26 August 2011 - 12:02 PM, said:

scaldedcat, on 26 August 2011 - 11:56 AM, said:

Parachute

You say you were a complete injury but now you are an incomplete. I'm sorry, but this just isn't correct. Having spinal cord swelling etc of course is going to change what sensation you get back once it goes down, but that doesn't mean you went from a complete to an incomplete.

I was told the day of my accident that my spinal cord was crushed and I had a complete injury meaning I would never walk again. This didn't depend on swelling going down or intensive therapy being able to change things, I was complete and that was it.

I am very glad that you have an incomplete injury and hope you make as full a recovery as possible. But saying there have been many people with complete injuries who have changed to incomplete is just not true. It is just people who have incomplete injuries to start with, regaining feeling over time. When your spinal cord is cut or crushed completely, no amount of time or rehab is going to change that unfortunately.

Thanks for writing that, you saved me the trouble !!

This if why it is frustrating to see people with incomplete injuries who have been fortunate enough to regain the ability to walk, speak about their faith or determination and the fact they would not accept life in a wheelchair being the reason for their recovery. Again, it is great to see this kind of recovery, but it is very unfair to people who have complete injuries (especially those newly injured)as they may believe that they aren't trying hard enough or don't have enough faith because they are not making these kind of recoveries, which of course is impossible with a complete injury to their spinal cord.

We should celebrate those who make great recoveries from spinal cord injury, but at the same time, make it clear to all the difference between complete and incomplete.

Thanks for writing that , you saved me the trouble.

Hi paul1404

I for one would never say that it is because of my determination why I have made such a recovery. I have just been extremely lucky, thats all. Nothing to do with faith, just sheer luck.


Parachute

[pinkcloud]

miracle cure and going from complete to incomplete

Had opertion, told i may die or have paralysis of t7/8 down, I slipped me feet along the floor on me zimmerframe and some of the consultants stood there clapping and smiling and they said me case was a miracle because i walked.

They never spoke of the disc making the cord swell or nothing. Just 'well you are cured now you couldnt feel us with pin prick before..now you can.

Trying hard will turn you from complete to incomplete
I'm incomplete and get fecked off being told I'm not trying hard enough by some ....its a load of bollox in me case anyway. If that body part dont work, thats it. its not 'oo i am so tired and worn out and ache so i going to stop running marathons, i just cant be bothered no more' - its more like 'of feck i just ate a 3 course meal, went swimming 5 minutes later..get stitch..cant move til its better'.



.

I say dont sweat it...as long as ya dr knows the truth, all that matters. If people go around pushing buttons..and you jump the higher they press..you are but a charactor in their computer game.

Edited by pinkcloud, 03 September 2011 - 12:09 AM.

[dom]

Just been told he was diagnosed complete then rediagnosed incomplete but lately they revisited docs in Sydney and they say he crushed his spinal cord with only 5% function of the cord??? does this mean 5% of bodily functions and limbs?

[burn]

Good evening,
Current ~ Josh is C6,C7 T1 incomplete with 5% cord function @ C6/ C7
Josh was originally admitted to the Austin on the 25th June, 2000 a c5,c6,c7 T 1 complete, his spinal cord was severely crushed in the impact, within a week the diagnosis was altered to c6,c7 & T 1 incomplete.
Other than the swelling reducing Josh’s spinal cord has not recovered, 3 years ago we visited a new spinal specialist in Sydney who advised us that there was only 5% function of the cord @ C6/ C7
Hope this answers your email query/ comment.

Kay

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Just got a reply the other day (Sept. 6). Sorry to say, to me this whole thing doesn't get 'unfishier' by this reply. There must've been something, i'm sure there was, but going public.. couldn't we then all sorta go public crazing everybody else that doesn't.
And what about you can't go incomplete once you've been complete...
That story, in my book, has been ticked off as a...erm well, story.