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[Rye]

I've been a C5 incomplete quad for 13 years now and have been using 2 CEO2 Sopasitories 2 to 3 times a week. I sit on a E & J Rehab Shower Chair for around 2 hours at a time until by bowel is clear. I get great results sitting up to laying in bed, plus it keeps the mess down. Through these years of pooping I have developed a hemroid that is mushroom like and bleeds frequitly when doing my bowel program. I've seen a butt doctor and he recomended I have it cut, pushed back in and stapled. This scares me! My question is; Has anyone had to have hemroid surgery and what was recovery like? Please calm my nervers so I can get rid of this bloody nasty moster. ;-)

Thanks
Rye

[DaveP]

Cutting it out or operating on it should be the last resort, not the first option.

A friend had bad piles that he had cut out, but they came back eventually. Before looking for a treatment, it's a good idea to understand what is happening that's causing the piles. Piles are a syndrome, which in simple terms means a "collection of symptoms". Each symptom on it's own may not cause the piles, but collectively they do. Therefore, find out what you're doing that's aggrevating the situation, and slowly chip away at the syndrome and you'll find your piles will go away and not come back.

I had piles for years but refused to have them cut out, as I knew this was only a temporary measure and they'd just come back, if I didn't attack and remove the cause of the problem. I looked at my diet and made many improvements; bowel routine and stopped using suppositories that could aggrevate the situation; stress; etc. Each thing I did would slowly improve the situation but not cure them totally, so I started taking Actimels and Aloe Vera drinks every day, and that's what tipped the balance - after a short period, my piles were totally gone.

They only flare up when I stop taking my Aloe Vera drinks and Actimels, and take ages to go down when I start again.

[dom]

i heard witchhazel shrinks them?

[Rye]

Thank you for replying. The doctor told me it wasn't piles but an actual hemroid. Boy do I wish though! Someone privately replied to me about my situation. It called the kesey treatment. The responder wrote, "Basically you lie on your side and a double pronged rod is inserted into the rectum where it sends electrical current to the inflammed tissue thus shrinking it." A 5min procedure that is done several times. Painless! I'm going to look into this more. BTW, what the heck is witchhazel? ;)

[DaveP]

"Piles" are Haemorroids - slang English expression...

Another way to shrink them is to lay on your side and hold a cub of ice against them until it melts. You can also rub on some pure Aloe Vera

But, there's no point just shrinking or cutting them out, if you don't work on what is actually causing the Piles, otherwise they'll just come back.

[dom]

wirchhazel is some sort of herbal medicine-not sure if it works but heard of it from a friend/don't take my word for it

[Joed]

Witch hazel has a drying/shrinking property...used as a toner for the face, among other uses. You should be able to find it anywhere cosmetics/skin care is sold.

[Chilepepper]

Well I have the same problem and can not seem to get rid of them. Thanks for bringing up this topic and I will try the Witch Hazel. Are there any other way of riding these embarrassing things? My eating habits are very good and I also eat clean, so the diet is not my problem

[Zeuss1953]

Joed, on Jul 13 2006, 02:33 PM, said:

Witch hazel has a drying/shrinking property...used as a toner for the face, among other uses. You should be able to find it anywhere cosmetics/skin care is sold.

I've in the chair for 37 years. I didn't always have this same problem, just in the last 10 years or so.
When they start to bleed on each bowel day regularly, I call a General Surgeon. I go to his office, he checks them over, and agrees that the offending ones should be removed. He usually does them 1 at a time with 2-3 weeks between procedure. The actual process does not bother me since I'm paralyzed anyway. He uses some type of a gun like tool that stretches a tiny gum band over tthe Roid, to it's base and letting it close off the gun tightly around the Roid. It effectively just castrates the Roid from your Anus. It a week or less it is off and gone.
I don't know of any other way. I eat a healthy high fiber & fruit diet. Good Luck

[lune14]

The procedure that Zeuss1953 spoke of is called "Banding". When I had serious bleeding rhoids I had this done twice. After the second time the surgeon felt if they came back he wanted to do the surgery to cut them out. That is when I discovered the kesey treatment I spoke of. Bandings are not a guaranteed "cure" for that particular rhoid , they can return in the same spot as it is just let to form a "scab" and fall off (this info is per the rectal surgeon himself)

All told I spent a few hundred dollars for the kesey treatments (6 in total) and they have never returned, and no hospital was required to do it, nor was anything "cut". (ok that always gives me a bad visual there!)LOL As well there is no "down time", no need to be out of your chair resting your bottom or much altering (if any) to your bowel routine.

Again, as everyone keeps stressing, diet is probably the most important thing to look over ! Can't say enough how eating a LOT of fiber, water & roughage DAILY has helped. But give it time if it's a diet issue, your body needs the period to adjust to a new overhaul. I haven't used dig stim in over 20 years now! Keep searching your patterns of habit, to find the cause as someone else mentioned. The best relief is always doing away with the cause.

Chilepepper,
I once consulted a naturopathic physician before getting any treatments and she offered that a food allergy test might be worthwhile to determine if a particular food item could be causing the irritation. Definately worth checking into, they cost about $100-200 US and are as simple as a blood draw. Some also are done by placing swatches on various parts of your inside forearms to see how they react thus indicating which foods you systemically react to. I was going to have it done until I had the kesey treatments done and altered my eating habits. Just a thought since you are still having trouble.

Edited by lune14, 15 July 2006 - 11:30 PM.

[Zeuss1953]

Hello Everyone,
I just found out about a new procedure for this Hemorhoid problem. It is called IRC ( Infared PhotoCoagulation ) which is done as out patient surgery, in the Doctor's Office, and is Covered by most insurance companies. Since it might be hard to find anyone in the phone book listing this procedure, the Dr. I'm being teated by right now, gave me the Toll Free phone number of the Company that has sole ownership/distributorship of the Infared Machine used in this procedure. She suggested just calling the company, explain to them you heard about this Hemorhoid Procedure using their machine, and ask them if they have any Physicians in your State or Local Area that they sold this equipment to. She thinks they would be willing to supply th Doctors Names , Addresses , and phone numbers. The name of the Company is Redfield Company 1-800-678-4472.
I have had 2 treatments so far and maybe 2 more to go, but the bleeding already stopped, the rhoids are not prolapsing out as far during a bowel movement, there fore less discomfort. The whole procedure takes less than 20 minutes. It takes as long to transfer onto the table, lower your pants, and turn onto your left side, pretty much as it takes for this procedure. It is not painful either. I had it done yesterday morning at 10 Am, and was at work at 12:30, and worked until 5 PM.
I hope this helps a lot of you guys and gals out there. I know we all have these same problems. So Good Luck, it is worth a try, and it is covered by insurance. I explained about the Kesey Treatment to this Doctor and she said it sounded like a procedure done previously known as Alltoid, but is now replaced by this IRC procdure. I hope I've helped someone.
Zeuss

[lune14]

That's fantastic info Zeuss!! I have great respect for the Kesey procedure but alas not covered by most insurance as it is chiropractic care, basically.

To everyone else.... if you have continual problems with bleeding hemorrhoids DO check into this procedure (or the Kesey) !! Without knowledge of these two procedures I led myself into passing out in my apt and requiring a blood transfusion. I wish I had known then about these available procedures!!

[benok]

I use topical treatment for my hemorroids, gotta wear gloves!

I also took oral medicines. The name was daflon.

I had to sit on a "comode" where there was some hot water so that it can help "shrink" the hemorroids but to no avail. Soon, I had the surgery to remove it.