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#1 pelle

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 08:41 PM

Hi all, im fairly new to this sci thing since ive been injured only a couple of months ago. I used to be very athlletic and did a lot of sports (primarily field hockey) and now im looking for someting active to do.
Every year i went skiing and this year will be (probably) be the first in many without.

I a high para at t1-t2 without much trunk control. I was wondering if its possible to mono ski? Maybe this year will come too soon but i would really love to try it and be back on the slopes in the winter.

Who has experience with this and also has little or no trunk control?

(sorry for my english but its probably better than your dutch? :)

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 11:08 PM

T2 is really high to be mono skiing. to work a monoski involves a lot of trunk control, for turning and edges etc. I understand that a duel ski could be done, its a thing made by tessier, the other option is a bi-ski but not really an option for doing it independently.

You might get away with a mono if you were skiing easy things and it was a very forgiving mono with a really soft ski on so basically took you for a ride.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 02:18 AM

I'm an adaptive ski instructor (I was when I was AB and now I'm an incomplete T 10 and still working, I grew up outside of Vail, CO so I've been skiing since I was 2). Anyway, T 2 is fairly high to be independent on a monoski BUT it's not the injury level that counts so much as your own personal abilities. You said you're very athletic and active so that's a good thing. I know I have complete trunk control, flex and balance still despite my spinal cord being impacted higher than the doctors originally thought. However you also mentioned a lack of trunk control which could be difficult.

But then again, as I tell my kids I teach, there's no such thing as skiing wrong or right. There's just ways to ski that are easier and more efficient to get down the mountain, if that makes sense. It's very possible if you're very determined you could compensate for your lack of control with very strong shoulders and arms. The idea behind monoskiing is to really use weight shifting to balance and turn and to keep your shoulders straight and facing forward (a lot like AB skiing, ideally it should only be your hips and legs moving, not your upper body at all, especially not to turn side to side across the mountain). But who cares about "ideals" when you're out enjoying yourself and being safe and healthy. A lot of AB ski in big S shapes, facing back and forth down the mountain. It's not how you're supposed to ski, but they still are!

I would recommend this, especially since it appears to be your first year post-injury on snow. Go to a mountain with a good adaptive program. I'm not familiar with European resorts, but if you're in the US/Canada feel free to PM me and I can set you up with some contacts. They'll be able to help you with the proper equipment. They'll ideally have a bi-ski and a mono-ski, as well as tethers and experienced instructors. You can start tethered in a bi-ski on some beginner terrain and really work your way up depending on your comfort level. A lot of it depends on the specifics of your injury and how you felt about skiing prior to your injury. You might even find you like it more than you did before you were hurt! On the other hand, don't get frustrated if you feel stuck at first! Monoskiing is tough. I know at the mountain I live/work at (Vail and Beaver Creek) I'd say about 80-90% of our guests who use sit skis stay in a bi-ski or least tethered on a monoski. Monoskiing is similar to AB skiing but not exactly the same, so don't worry if what you were able to do before doesn't transfer right away.

So basically, you have a fairly high injury particularly since you say you have poor trunk control to monoski, as to do it independently it requires a lot of balance and ability to weight shift for turning and carving. BUT that doesn't make it impossible, and you might just have to find what works for you to control the ski. Definitely find a good program to start with so you can feel comfortable, safe and have the proper equipment while you find what works best for you.

Good luck!!!!! Let us know how it goes!

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 08:47 PM

View PostKayDub, on 11 October 2011 - 02:18 AM, said:

I'm an adaptive ski instructor (I was when I was AB and now I'm an incomplete T 10 and still working, I grew up outside of Vail, CO so I've been skiing since I was 2). Anyway, T 2 is fairly high to be independent on a monoski BUT it's not the injury level that counts so much as your own personal abilities. You said you're very athletic and active so that's a good thing. I know I have complete trunk control, flex and balance still despite my spinal cord being impacted higher than the doctors originally thought. However you also mentioned a lack of trunk control which could be difficult.

But then again, as I tell my kids I teach, there's no such thing as skiing wrong or right. There's just ways to ski that are easier and more efficient to get down the mountain, if that makes sense. It's very possible if you're very determined you could compensate for your lack of control with very strong shoulders and arms. The idea behind monoskiing is to really use weight shifting to balance and turn and to keep your shoulders straight and facing forward (a lot like AB skiing, ideally it should only be your hips and legs moving, not your upper body at all, especially not to turn side to side across the mountain). But who cares about "ideals" when you're out enjoying yourself and being safe and healthy. A lot of AB ski in big S shapes, facing back and forth down the mountain. It's not how you're supposed to ski, but they still are!

I would recommend this, especially since it appears to be your first year post-injury on snow. Go to a mountain with a good adaptive program. I'm not familiar with European resorts, but if you're in the US/Canada feel free to PM me and I can set you up with some contacts. They'll be able to help you with the proper equipment. They'll ideally have a bi-ski and a mono-ski, as well as tethers and experienced instructors. You can start tethered in a bi-ski on some beginner terrain and really work your way up depending on your comfort level. A lot of it depends on the specifics of your injury and how you felt about skiing prior to your injury. You might even find you like it more than you did before you were hurt! On the other hand, don't get frustrated if you feel stuck at first! Monoskiing is tough. I know at the mountain I live/work at (Vail and Beaver Creek) I'd say about 80-90% of our guests who use sit skis stay in a bi-ski or least tethered on a monoski. Monoskiing is similar to AB skiing but not exactly the same, so don't worry if what you were able to do before doesn't transfer right away.

So basically, you have a fairly high injury particularly since you say you have poor trunk control to monoski, as to do it independently it requires a lot of balance and ability to weight shift for turning and carving. BUT that doesn't make it impossible, and you might just have to find what works for you to control the ski. Definitely find a good program to start with so you can feel comfortable, safe and have the proper equipment while you find what works best for you.

Good luck!!!!! Let us know how it goes!

Wow thank you soo much for this reply, nothing is impossible!! well at least thats what i believe, but i know it will be difficult.
this winter will probabl come too soon, and who knows next year what i can do. Maybe ill have some trunk control.
for now its not much and i find i difficult with everyday things...

Im going to find out if there are some programs maybe indoor here i can try.
And if monoskiing is too difficult, is there another way?

Canada US is a bit too far for me :) and flying isnt a hobby after my accident!! But here in France and Switserland, Austria etc we have great slopes and maybe some interesting programs.

View Postajl338, on 10 October 2011 - 11:08 PM, said:

T2 is really high to be mono skiing. to work a monoski involves a lot of trunk control, for turning and edges etc. I understand that a duel ski could be done, its a thing made by tessier, the other option is a bi-ski but not really an option for doing it independently.

You might get away with a mono if you were skiing easy things and it was a very forgiving mono with a really soft ski on so basically took you for a ride.

Thank you! bi-ski, i didnt know it excisted. Im going to look into all this and see what works best for me.
This winter will be too soon but maybe next year! And im working hard to regain as much functin as possible so who knows what i can do next year! :)

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 09:03 PM

View Postajl338, on 10 October 2011 - 11:08 PM, said:

T2 is really high to be mono skiing. to work a monoski involves a lot of trunk control, for turning and edges etc. I understand that a duel ski could be done, its a thing made by tessier, the other option is a bi-ski but not really an option for doing it independently.

You might get away with a mono if you were skiing easy things and it was a very forgiving mono with a really soft ski on so basically took you for a ride.

I'm T2 complete (and in my late 40's, relatively unfit and without huge shoulders) and ski black diamonds and off piste on a standard prashburger mono ski - I know of at least one other T2 who's skied at paralympic level. It takes a little bit longer to master it and shoulder straps are a must in my opinion but really if you've got the balls there's pretty much nothing you can't ski.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 12:44 PM

View Postruss1, on 11 October 2011 - 09:03 PM, said:

View Postajl338, on 10 October 2011 - 11:08 PM, said:

T2 is really high to be mono skiing. to work a monoski involves a lot of trunk control, for turning and edges etc. I understand that a duel ski could be done, its a thing made by tessier, the other option is a bi-ski but not really an option for doing it independently.

You might get away with a mono if you were skiing easy things and it was a very forgiving mono with a really soft ski on so basically took you for a ride.

I'm T2 complete (and in my late 40's, relatively unfit and without huge shoulders) and ski black diamonds and off piste on a standard prashburger mono ski - I know of at least one other T2 who's skied at paralympic level. It takes a little bit longer to master it and shoulder straps are a must in my opinion but really if you've got the balls there's pretty much nothing you can't ski.

Good post Russ!

As aC5/6 I skied a bi-ski.....just! Triceps are so useful!!

Go for a mono ski! Or maybe start with a bi-ski and give it a whirl. Then switch to a mono

If you really want it go for it!!

I know a few high level paras who ski mono skis too!! ENJOY!!!
Life is just to short not to have fun!

#7 Talan Skeels-Piggins

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 05:16 PM

View Postpelle, on 10 October 2011 - 08:41 PM, said:

Hi all, im fairly new to this sci thing since ive been injured only a couple of months ago. I used to be very athlletic and did a lot of sports (primarily field hockey) and now im looking for someting active to do.
Every year i went skiing and this year will be (probably) be the first in many without.

I a high para at t1-t2 without much trunk control. I was wondering if its possible to mono ski? Maybe this year will come too soon but i would really love to try it and be back on the slopes in the winter.

Who has experience with this and also has little or no trunk control?

(sorry for my english but its probably better than your dutch? :)

Pelle

Hi Pelle

I'm T4 complete, so no trunk like you. You can ski mono, I do, and am not to bad. I adapted the sit ski to have shoulder straps. I can show you how. Take a look at video from Vimeo webpage to see what is possible. ().

Message or email me (tskeelspiggins@hotmail.com).

Talan

#8 Danimal_1985

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 01:39 AM

I'm a T4 complete para injured less than a year ago, anyways my rec therapist hooked me up with a disabled ski program out in breckenridge Colorado put on by the Hartford Financial Group. It was an awesome time and would recommend to everyone. My instructor was a BAMF, the ski I started using was better for people wih lower level injuries and more core strength and it was a little rough with a lot of crashes lol, but my instructor got me into an Austrian monoski built by Praschberger and it all just clicked, I went from being on the tethers and held up to skiing independently on the first run. The praschberger is a great set-up because it has a lot of dump in the seat and puts you in a fairly aggressive seated position which gives you a little artificial trunk control, one word of advice no matter which ski you try strap in TIGHT! I also used an elastic kidney belt around my chest to really hold me in. Make sure the belt covers about two inches over your injury level and wraps around the back I the bucket. Also do a lot of exercises to strengthen your rotator cuffs, traps, well pretty much all of your upper arms lol! It is nothing like skiing AB, the slightest bit you raise your shoulder and that's where you go, and where you look is where you go, trust me when I say if you look down you will be dragging your face through the snow! I hope this helps you out, the best advice I can give you is try it and laugh at yourself, if you aren't having fun what's the point! Good luck and I hope to hear about your skiing adventures! Oh and the praschberger has a sweet loading mechanism that makes any chair lift a breeze to get on, you just have to remember to lock it back up at the top of the hill b/c if you crash it makes getting up damn near impossible! I found that out the hard way, but won't ever repeat that mistake (knock on wood)!

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 02:20 AM

hi pelle,

i'm a c 6-7 quad and here's my post from last month.

http://www.apparelyz...87-mono-skiing/


i think you should be able to monoski at your level if i can do it i'm sure you can as well.

cheers,

mellowgator
hi fellow gimps! i'm a c 6/7 quad and have been injured since 1986. i was in a roll over hydroplane accident and it took hours for the paramedics to get me out of the car in the pouring rain. that definately wasn't my day. but alas life goes on!

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 05:24 PM

Great inspirational stuff there!!
Life is just to short not to have fun!

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 05:23 PM

View Postmegatrig, on 17 January 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

Great inspirational stuff there!!
If there's a will, there's a way. I meet a lot of sit skiers at Park City Mountain resort that have a very high level of paralysis, but have adapted to sit skiing by having rachetting straps to keep their trunk up and stable. It is simply amazing to watch them ski.

My paralysis are in my lower legs and I am still taking lessons and learning how to make more efficient turns in varying conditions, slopes, etc. I am very fortunate to have found the NAC at Park City as skiing is my escape. Love it!

Pete

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 10:44 PM

Hey there, Im Actually a t3 of 4yrs and I just learned to mono ski yesterday. with a hi back support and a deeper "dump" meaning how deep your butt sit related to your knees. I found it very easy. i could actually hold my hands above my head and not tip on the little mono ski. Its an amazing step out of our daily lives. I would definatly urge you to contact Joe with the Breckridge adaptive ski program. its like $500-600 for a couple days lodging and food all. Most ski resorts offer adaptive programs.They say high injuries cant thats bs. if your instructor sets you up with good back support youll be carving powder in no time.




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