Opinions Please...
#1
Posted 01 November 2011 - 02:54 AM
I drive a Mazda RX-8, which is a sports car that has little "suicide doors" that open the opposite way which allow me to pull my foldup in lickety-split. Anyway, I was just sitting in the driver's seat, preparing to start the car and pull out, when I see a cop pull up behind me and "light me up".
Now I am sitting in the handicap space of course, but I have my placard hanging perfectly clear from my rearview. But I could think of no other reason why he would be doing this, other than he thought I was parked there illegally.
So, hoping I could save us both the time of his getting out of hhis car and coming up to mine, I rolled my window down and kind of waved my placard in the air a bit. Ugh, no such luck. He came up to my car and said, "Yeah, I just saw you sittin' there and I'm like 'what's up with this guy?'" I asked him if he had seen my placard hanging from my rearview. "Yeah, it's that tint, it's hard to see anything through there." Ok, that's bs. I know the placard is visible through the tint and the tint is perfectly legal.
He continued, "Come on man, how are you really disabled?" And his tone was so mocking and sarcastic, like he just knew I was doing something I wasn't supposed to be, like he knew he had caught me. Ugh. I then grabbed the frame of the folded up left side of my chair, which was kind of sticking out a bit between my seats, and said I used a wheelchair. He looked like a buffoon very quickly. "Ohh, yes, well I'd say that counts as a disability."
After a few seconds, he was gone. I thanked him for enforcing the spots, but it seemed to me like his question was rather inappropriate. If I have a valid placard, along with a valid driver's license, I am legal to park in the handicap spots. Period. I understand why he did it, he thought, because I'm young and driving a sports car, that I MUST be abusing someone else's valid placard. But it's not right. Cops shouldn't be in the habit of second guessing the legality of a person's valid handicap placard based solely on the appearance of the person and/or their vehicle.
What do you all think?
#2
Posted 01 November 2011 - 03:07 AM
#3
Posted 01 November 2011 - 04:17 AM
-Bags
#4
Posted 01 November 2011 - 04:21 AM
#5
Posted 01 November 2011 - 04:23 AM
The funny thing, three weeks later, same cop, different shopping centers, he twice stopped me for seat belt violation, no over the shoulder chest belt; my two belts are chest and waist, with a very secure chair lock down...he was a tad embarrassed, even said "my apologies Mr. Johnson..."
They deal with so many people, a few asses along the way, day after day, it's human nature to get tired of the BS, so they may not react as we like....aren't always "polite".
Crash your car, they pull your ass out...even when it's burning...relax a bit they have a tough job!
Jerry
Shooting With Still Fingers - http://shootingwiths...s.blogspot.com/
#6
Posted 01 November 2011 - 04:31 AM
tomsov, on 01 November 2011 - 04:21 AM, said:
#7
Posted 01 November 2011 - 04:35 AM
StillFingers, on 01 November 2011 - 04:23 AM, said:
The funny thing, three weeks later, same cop, different shopping centers, he twice stopped me for seat belt violation, no over the shoulder chest belt; my two belts are chest and waist, with a very secure chair lock down...he was a tad embarrassed, even said "my apologies Mr. Johnson..."
They deal with so many people, a few asses along the way, day after day, it's human nature to get tired of the BS, so they may not react as we like....aren't always "polite".
Crash your car, they pull your ass out...even when it's burning...relax a bit they have a tough job!
Jerry
#8
Posted 01 November 2011 - 04:47 AM
quadinva, on 01 November 2011 - 04:17 AM, said:
-Bags
A couple issues about the plates:
1) I don't think having plates would have made any difference here. The cop lit me up because he assumed I was someone using a valid placard illegally and he "light me up" because of that. He just saw a sports car and a younger guy and made the assumption. And based on his behavior and body language, I'm pretty sure that is exactly what happened. If I had been a younger guy driving a sports car with handicap plates, he would have made a similar assumption: that I was driving someone else's car and parking illegally.
2) Handicap plates force you to display your handicap status at all times, when the only time such information is really relevant and necessary is when parked. Without the ability to choose when and where such info is displayed, I feel like I am sharing my personal information when it is not needed. And, in some situations, it could actually be detrimental; or at least problematic and unwanted.
#9
Posted 01 November 2011 - 05:05 AM
A trophy guy, on 01 November 2011 - 04:47 AM, said:
quadinva, on 01 November 2011 - 04:17 AM, said:
-Bags
A couple issues about the plates:
1) I don't think having plates would have made any difference here. The cop lit me up because he assumed I was someone using a valid placard illegally and he "light me up" because of that. He just saw a sports car and a younger guy and made the assumption. And based on his behavior and body language, I'm pretty sure that is exactly what happened. If I had been a younger guy driving a sports car with handicap plates, he would have made a similar assumption: that I was driving someone else's car and parking illegally.
2) Handicap plates force you to display your handicap status at all times, when the only time such information is really relevant and necessary is when parked. Without the ability to choose when and where such info is displayed, I feel like I am sharing my personal information when it is not needed. And, in some situations, it could actually be detrimental; or at least problematic and unwanted.
Just my opinion, as you requested. Here's a couple more of my opinions...
1) "..he would have made a similar assumption: that I was driving someone else's car and parking illegaly." My opinion=I think assuming someone's assumption is purely speculative. Didn't you condemn him for making an assumption? Why would you turn around and make an assumption yourself?
2)You may not feel the same way, but I'm ok with displaying my handicap status all the time. Afterall I am handicapped, all the time.
#10
Posted 01 November 2011 - 05:26 AM
Anyone who sees a young face pull into the disabled parking bay automatically questions our motives until they see a wheelchair come out of the car. Then they can't stop staring. lol
My thought is, many people use their parents/relatives placards to go places and shop all the time. I'm guessing your friend the cop catches a lot of these law breakers at this time of night, when fewer disabled people are out.
Imagine how often he may have asked the same question to those who it actually applied to?
Anyway, I'm glad someones enforcing the parking there. I've never seen 'em do that where I live.
#11
Posted 01 November 2011 - 05:33 AM
quadinva, on 01 November 2011 - 05:05 AM, said:
A trophy guy, on 01 November 2011 - 04:47 AM, said:
quadinva, on 01 November 2011 - 04:17 AM, said:
-Bags
A couple issues about the plates:
1) I don't think having plates would have made any difference here. The cop lit me up because he assumed I was someone using a valid placard illegally and he "light me up" because of that. He just saw a sports car and a younger guy and made the assumption. And based on his behavior and body language, I'm pretty sure that is exactly what happened. If I had been a younger guy driving a sports car with handicap plates, he would have made a similar assumption: that I was driving someone else's car and parking illegally.
2) Handicap plates force you to display your handicap status at all times, when the only time such information is really relevant and necessary is when parked. Without the ability to choose when and where such info is displayed, I feel like I am sharing my personal information when it is not needed. And, in some situations, it could actually be detrimental; or at least problematic and unwanted.
Just my opinion, as you requested. Here's a couple more of my opinions...
1) "..he would have made a similar assumption: that I was driving someone else's car and parking illegaly." My opinion=I think assuming someone's assumption is purely speculative. Didn't you condemn him for making an assumption? Why would you turn around and make an assumption yourself?
2)You may not feel the same way, but I'm ok with displaying my handicap status all the time. Afterall I am handicapped, all the time.
qbounce, on 01 November 2011 - 05:26 AM, said:
Anyone who sees a young face pull into the disabled parking bay automatically questions our motives until they see a wheelchair come out of the car. Then they can't stop staring. lol
My thought is, many people use their parents/relatives placards to go places and shop all the time. I'm guessing your friend the cop catches a lot of these law breakers at this time of night, when fewer disabled people are out.
Imagine how often he may have asked the same question to those who it actually applied to?
Anyway, I'm glad someones enforcing the parking there. I've never seen 'em do that where I live.
Edited by A trophy guy, 01 November 2011 - 05:36 AM.
#13
Posted 01 November 2011 - 06:02 AM
Neither is my truck. When I'm driving on the expressway, neck to neck with congested traffic; there's nothing disabled about my car or my driving. There's definitely no reason to hide the fact that the driver inside is handicapped...except I have never been blue lighted to validate my disability.
You asked for opinions about a problem you had. I gave a possible solution. Take it or leave it, but Ive said my piece
#14
Posted 01 November 2011 - 06:20 AM
quadinva, on 01 November 2011 - 06:02 AM, said:
Neither is my truck. When I'm driving on the expressway, neck to neck with congested traffic; there's nothing disabled about my car or my driving. There's definitely no reason to hide the fact that the driver inside is handicapped...except I have never been blue lighted to validate my disability.
You asked for opinions about a problem you had. I gave a possible solution. Take it or leave it, but Ive said my piece
Another perk to the placard is it's mobility. If I am riding in someone else's car, I can take the placard with me and have access to parking that otherwise would be inaccessible. That plus I can take the placard out of the car when/if someone else is driving it; thus removing any and all possibility of that person "giving in to temptation" and illegally parking.
#16
Posted 01 November 2011 - 06:32 AM
#17
Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:39 AM
So yeah, bit of an inconvenience for you, but if you look at it in the scheme of things it was a win for us (not an ideal win but nothing is ever ideal so I'm content with baby steps instead of a stalemate). Better to accidentally stop a few deserving folks (which should be resolved by a polite ID exchange, a smile and off you go) than not stopping anyone.
Cops do stereotype though sometimes. It sucks but also I can't blame them to a certain degree (I don't support things like ethnic stereotyping and the like, it's entirely based on ethnicity rather that a combination of factors including a chosen activity). More teenage boys in sports cars speed than middle aged women in mini vans, etc. That doesn't mean the cops should overlook people who don't fit the "profile", that's wrong. Nor should they treat those within the profile wrong either. Respect should be given between both parties until something is done to change it.
Edited by KayDub, 01 November 2011 - 07:41 AM.
#18
Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:42 AM
We spent two days defending ourselves to the apartment manager for parking in the handicapped spot when our new neighbors moved in. They saw the kayak racks on the car and didn't think either one of us could possibly be disabled. They wanted us to give up the space for them because the wife is disabled with a bad knee and can only walk a few feet. She has handicapped plates on her car. She told them she was getting ready to have knee surgery. A year and a half later there has been no surgery. She has gone to Disneyland and refused to rent a wheelchair. She walked around the park all day, but she did have to ice her knee at night. Tonight she just told me she went with the kids she nannys for trick or treating. The dad counted, they went to 80 houses.. So yes I wish there were more cops like that who are skeptical and not afraid to ask questions.
#19
Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:20 AM
I know you was treated unfairly and shown some disrespect BUT I'm excited at least 1 cop was doing his job checking your status. That has to be a victory for everyone who uses those spaces. I've seen too many misuse them and I wish more cops would display some attitude toward the ABs who get away with it.
It really bugs me when an AB in a sports car parks in a handicap space and half runs into the store.( and I've seen them with stickers) That cop has probably seen that too and was hoping to bust their chops.
Chill out just alittle and be glad he checked. Cops have to put up with some pretty crappy people with nasty attitudes and receive very little pay.
#20
Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:40 AM
While at the beach with some friends & was part of load #1 along with the blanket so they got me, my chair situated while I waited with our friend's wife & baby while the guys went back for the coolers. When they did a cop saw them and asked them to show proof of legitimate use. They of course told him that they'd be more than happy too show them ME they just had to show him where I was on the beach cuz they had to carry me out there in the 1st place.....they cop was figuring at any moment they'd try pulling something but they simply lead the cop to me where I showed matching I.D. to the paperwork they'd showed him from the glove-box. (Say if in the UK the trunk=boot & hood=bonnet what do you call the glove-box?)
Another time a little old lady decided rather than just letting us out she needed to call the authorities on us. My friend TRIED to point out the wheelchair which was under all the Wal-Mart stuff...no dice with her. So she called the cops who then informed her that I'd done NOTHING wrong & that this wasn't senior citizen parking but DISABLED parking & that although no most younger people do not qualify SOME of us DO. Oh & that she was actually now eligible for several tickets the least of which being for blocking the whole parking-lot for starters.
And yeah.....you want to see some SCOWLS? Try being a teenager with a handicapped parking permit? You wanna see some raised eyebrows....JEEZ!
*Wheelchairs are made of a special ocular magnetic alloy......they're "eyeball magnets".*
*I USE a wheelchair, that does NOT make ME a wheelchair!*
#21
Posted 01 November 2011 - 09:10 AM
#22
Posted 01 November 2011 - 09:53 AM
Don't waste your time thinking about it, just get on with your day.
EC
#23
Posted 01 November 2011 - 12:16 PM
Aparr, on 01 November 2011 - 05:51 AM, said:
Edinburgh Colin, on 01 November 2011 - 09:53 AM, said:
Agreed
#24
Posted 01 November 2011 - 12:58 PM
Ferguson Clan Motto: Dulcius Ex Asperis (Sweeter after difficulties)
#25
Posted 01 November 2011 - 01:10 PM
#26
Posted 01 November 2011 - 04:23 PM
I'm not SPESHUL now.
I wasn't before my disability.
Both AB and disabled I've encountered people that didn't like my dress, my long hair, my beard, my bare feet, holey cutoff jeans, coke bottle thick glasses (from 30yrs of computer use)...
Well, grow the f*@k up, get over yourself, there are rude people in this world...can any of us say they are so perfect that we've never been rude...because we weren't feeling good.
Turn the mirror on self, have you ever ASSUMED a person was something just because of their appearance, did any of you snap at a nurse/doctor/carer that didn't respond quick enough to a request, have none of you profiled a person and without talking to them, just avoided them, etc.
To the OP, this isn't your first post of this nature on this forum...and while I don't enjoy rudeness; and your cop could have bee more polite...what's the real problem?
Perhaps I'm just gettin old...this kinda silly shit doesn't get me hot anymore...I'm more interested in enjoying life then whining...oh crap my nail broke
To answer the OPs question...no it wouldn't bother me "now", 30rs ago just after my injury, yep, but it wouldn't have ruined my day...stupid is as stupid does!
Edited by StillFingers, 01 November 2011 - 04:33 PM.
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#27
Posted 01 November 2011 - 04:45 PM
Trophy by your description a person in a power chair with a rear exit doesn't need a disabled spot. They don't need the extra room at all to exit the vehicle. Also a lot of disabled spots aren't the closest in some lots and they are still narrow which defeats the purpose. I often just take two spots and have my car spit on, mirrors moved and maybe in the future who knows. I am planning to put stickers on my car everywhere to alert that I need extra room.
Seems like all the people who did get stopped come from Cali. In most states they are not allowed to ask you. I know when I was still in NYC and complained to the cops about a specific person who wasn't disabled they said there is nothing they can do cause she had a special pass that they use in NY since there are no spots on the street. On "real" handicapped people get the special on. It allows you to park where it says no parking. This person had a sister who was blind and huge medical issues and she worked in the building next door. She said she had to be able to get to her fast bs. She wore 5 inch shoes and could have just ran across the street to get her car. Again cops couldn't do anything. We all commented to her but had no leg to stand on.
I would have called the police supervisor and said you appreciated him inquiring but his attitude sucked. With this info maybe they would improve training. The issues is people get plates or hanging cards for all kinds of reasons, we don't make the law, and most are invisible so how is a cop suppose to ask and really know what is going on. Even a doctor wouldn't know without testing.
I know many who have them because they have a heart condition, over weight, breathing issues ect but yet they can all walk around stores for three hours...my opinion no handicapped spot for them is necessary.
I will continue to take my two spots as needed so I can actually exit my car.
#28
Posted 01 November 2011 - 06:35 PM
#29
Posted 01 November 2011 - 06:53 PM
Ohiokitten4, on 01 November 2011 - 06:35 PM, said:
That police officer was clearly wrong. It sounds like he just didn't want to be bothered with the details and just waved you away. When you had the "temerity" to question him and do the right thing, he got pissed.
#30
Posted 01 November 2011 - 06:56 PM
Why are you offended TG,, ?? How manny ripped guys in sports cars do you suppose there are that SHOULD be parking in handicap spots? Everybody condemns profileing,, but without it,, the police would always be playing catch up. And I don't care HOW they ask the question,, as long as they keep asking it.
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