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[edlee]

The article was somewhat vague. It seemed to me.. if I read correctly,, that the only thing it concluded, was that more study was needed. Something, it appears,, that ALL researchers firmly believe.

I found a post by Allis, giving his reasons,, but I'll leave it to him to decide if he wants to give them again.
ed

[A trophy guy]

Risks of an amputation
The risk of serious complications is higher in planned amputations than in emergency amputations.

This is because most planned amputations involve the leg and are carried out in older people with a restricted blood supply, who are in a poor state of health and who usually have a chronic (long-term) health condition, such as diabetes. Most emergency amputations involve the arm and are usually carried out in younger people who are often in a good state of health.

A recent study looked at lower limb amputations carried out in people with a restricted blood supply due to a condition such as diabetes or atherosclerosis. The study found that around 1 in 11 people died in the first 30 days after surgery.

The risk of death was higher for above-knee amputations (1 in 6) than below-knee amputations (1 in 17).

Other complications recorded were:

•heart complications, such as heart attack or heart failure (when the heart has difficulty pumping blood around the body), which occurred in 1 in 10 cases
•infection at the site of the surgery, which occurred in 1 in 20 cases
•pneumonia (infection of the lungs), which occurred in 1 in 22 cases
The blood supply was not sufficiently restored in around 1 in 10 below-knee amputations, so a further above-knee amputation was required.

Due to the relatively high risk of complications, a planned amputation is seen as a ‘treatment of last resort’. It is only used when there is no other way of preventing life-threatening and serious symptoms, such as gangrene, from developing.

Last reviewed: 11/08/2010

Next review due: 11/08/2012


(bolding mine)




sorry, this is the link...
http://www.nhs.uk/Co...ages/Risks.aspx

Edited by A trophy guy, 24 November 2011 - 09:23 PM.

[A trophy guy]

edlee, on 24 November 2011 - 05:51 AM, said:

The article was somewhat vague. It seemed to me.. if I read correctly,, that the only thing it concluded, was that more study was needed. Something, it appears,, that ALL researchers firmly believe.

I found a post by Allis, giving his reasons,, but I'll leave it to him to decide if he wants to give them again.
ed

Well he just posted here offering to answer questions about his amputation, so I don't see why he wouldn't.

[allis53ca]

If I were to go to a surgeon and say that I wanted my legs amputated; because I believed my quality of life would improve and I was suffering depression due to the "dead weight" of my paralyzed limbs, would I be able to have the operation? Even though I dealt with no actual real medical complication that made the amputation a viable option?.........yes, my legs were healthy enough to donate to tissue/vascular bank

Edited by allis53ca, 25 November 2011 - 08:36 PM.

[A trophy guy]

http://www.google.co...Z5KxmdimBz91jKQ

I found this article very interesting. Not only because it discusses voluntary amputations, but it ties it in to the devotee-pretender-wannabe condition(s).

[quadinva]

A trophy guy, on 04 December 2011 - 07:08 AM, said:

http://www.google.co...Z5KxmdimBz91jKQ

I found this article very interesting. Not only because it discusses voluntary amputations, but it ties it in to the devotee-pretender-wannabe condition(s).

I think B.I.I.D. voluntary amputations are a VERY different ballgame compared to SCIs seeking amputation. Psychological conditions a far more treatable than SCIs.

[A trophy guy]

quadinva, on 05 December 2011 - 03:52 AM, said:

A trophy guy, on 04 December 2011 - 07:08 AM, said:

http://www.google.co...Z5KxmdimBz91jKQ

I found this article very interesting. Not only because it discusses voluntary amputations, but it ties it in to the devotee-pretender-wannabe condition(s).

I think B.I.I.D. voluntary amputations are a VERY different ballgame compared to SCIs seeking amputation. Psychological conditions a far more treatable than SCIs.

Well I just think there are overlapping aspects to all of this (B.I.I.D., voluntary amputations (of any sort), SCI and PWDs). Psychological conditions can often be intertwined and/or exacerbated by SCI. This is not to say I think all SCIs seeking amputation have mental conditions; not at all. Just that the two issues; biid amputations and post-sci amputation; aren't mutually exclusive.

[quadinva]

A trophy guy, on 05 December 2011 - 04:02 AM, said:

quadinva, on 05 December 2011 - 03:52 AM, said:

A trophy guy, on 04 December 2011 - 07:08 AM, said:

http://www.google.co...Z5KxmdimBz91jKQ

I found this article very interesting. Not only because it discusses voluntary amputations, but it ties it in to the devotee-pretender-wannabe condition(s).

I think B.I.I.D. voluntary amputations are a VERY different ballgame compared to SCIs seeking amputation. Psychological conditions a far more treatable than SCIs.

Well I just think there are overlapping aspects to all of this (B.I.I.D., voluntary amputations (of any sort), SCI and PWDs). Psychological conditions can often be intertwined and/or exacerbated by SCI. This is not to say I think all SCIs seeking amputation have mental conditions; not at all. Just that the two issues; biid amputations and post-sci amputation; aren't mutually exclusive.

Exclusivity is not a determinant for relevance.

[A trophy guy]

quadinva, on 05 December 2011 - 05:22 AM, said:

A trophy guy, on 05 December 2011 - 04:02 AM, said:

quadinva, on 05 December 2011 - 03:52 AM, said:

A trophy guy, on 04 December 2011 - 07:08 AM, said:

http://www.google.co...Z5KxmdimBz91jKQ

I found this article very interesting. Not only because it discusses voluntary amputations, but it ties it in to the devotee-pretender-wannabe condition(s).

I think B.I.I.D. voluntary amputations are a VERY different ballgame compared to SCIs seeking amputation. Psychological conditions a far more treatable than SCIs.

Well I just think there are overlapping aspects to all of this (B.I.I.D., voluntary amputations (of any sort), SCI and PWDs). Psychological conditions can often be intertwined and/or exacerbated by SCI. This is not to say I think all SCIs seeking amputation have mental conditions; not at all. Just that the two issues; biid amputations and post-sci amputation; aren't mutually exclusive.

Exclusivity is not a determinant for relevance.

Huh?

[quadinva]

Basically B.I.I.D's and voluntary amputee SCI's are not mutually exclusive in that they both want amputation eventhough their health would not be compromised if they keep their limbs. However, in most cases, the two seek amputation for very different reasons one for psychological reasons(BIID), the other for mobility/physical reasons(SCI). This is an SCI forum and there is no evidence on here that remotely suggests that anyone opted for amputation for psychological reasons, thus rendering an article focusing on BIID irrelevant to this thread.

[A trophy guy]

quadinva, on 05 December 2011 - 05:46 AM, said:

Basically B.I.I.D's and voluntary amputee SCI's are not mutually exclusive in that they both want amputation eventhough their health would not be compromised if they keep their limbs. However, in most cases, the two seek amputation for very different reasons one for psychological reasons(BIID), the other for mobility/physical reasons(SCI). This is an SCI forum and there is no evidence on here that remotely suggests that anyone opted for amputation for psychological reasons, thus rendering an article focusing on BIID irrelevant to this thread.

What I meant by saying the two issues being not mutually exclusive was that SCI can often do more than just leave physical scars/injuries; psychological trauma is often dealt with as well. So it is completely within the realm of possibility; even likelihood; to discuss the overlapping incidences of spinal cord injury with psychological body disorders such as B.I.I.D.

And, I can't believe I am actually typing this, but of course I am not suggesting that anyone here on this forum has this B.I.I.D. Of course I am not suggesting that anyone here who has had an amputation did it for reasons expressed in the article. I simply found it relevant and incredibly interesting to the topic at hand.

And this is my thread. How exactly are you trying to dictate what is or isn't relevant?

[Ratticis]

Your thread? I didn't realize Simon had sold the site. This is a PUBLIC forum. Once you post a topic, the members of said form are free to disscuss their idea's or opinions. That's the way this thing works. Don't like it? While then maybe take Greybeards suggestion to start a blog, or start your own form and moderate everyone else who's obviously wrong.

And it's up to the moderators to decide what is or isn't relevant.

Edited by Ratticis, 05 December 2011 - 06:49 AM.

[A trophy guy]

Ratticis, on 05 December 2011 - 06:48 AM, said:

Your thread? I didn't realize Simon had sold the site. This is a PUBLIC forum. Once you post a topic, the members of said form are free to disscuss their idea's or opinions. That's the way this thing works. Don't like it? While then maybe take Greybeards suggestion to start a blog, or start your own form and moderate everyone else who's obviously wrong.

I didn't say I owned it. lmfao ??

MY thread means I know WHY I started it; hence what is or isn't relevant. Duh. C'mon.

[Apparelyzed]

When a thread is started, it is open to discussion, and BIID is still on topic to the original post.

Simon.

[lavenderthistle]

Once again, (unable/unwilling to shut up) I am inserting myself here. Reviewing this thread. It was started as An ignorant things people have said thread...asking who could top what you had foisted upon you at a gym.

People contributed....then it devolved into a focus solely upon amputation and your perception of the merits of it (correct me if I'm wrong, or I'm perceived as wrong, which at this point I'm sure to be). An actual elective amputee posted and you answer that with an article on BIID. It is my perception that you are desiring a thread where everyone marvels at the articles you can find proving your point.

This is likely off topic, but I'd like to suggest (in jest) that you (in your tireless research to edify us) look up Narcissistic Personality Disorder. My mother has it, I mentioned her on this thread....yet that was somehow probably against the tread...despite the fact that what she said was so stupid it was almost funny.

Just trying to route the thread back to its original topic of.... "So dumb It's funny" not is amputation useful or not


So....back on topic here

Someone asked me how long people have SCI's for....

[MTB John]

And what prey tell, was your response??

[lavenderthistle]

My response was....

It's permanent.

What do you mean?

It doesn't go away.

Ever?

Ever.

Oh that sucks.

It could be worse...just smile.

[MTB John]

I would have said:
Oh, I only have it while I'm sitting down..

[lavenderthistle]

lol....or walking in circles It's pretty funny in a crowd, but kind of dangerous

[plank]

lavenderthistle, on 06 December 2011 - 12:43 AM, said:

My response was....

It's permanent.

What do you mean?

It doesn't go away.

Ever?

Ever.

Oh that sucks.

It could be worse...just smile.

What?

Permanent?

Really?

You're joking.

Now you tell me.

[Edinburgh Colin]

I thought it was just for Christmas.

Like a puppy?

yes

You got that wrong

Yea didn't I just!!!!

[allis53ca]

....you can't use prostetics ?

[Tetracyclone]

MTB John, on 06 December 2011 - 03:24 AM, said:

I would have said:
Oh, I only have it while I'm sitting down..