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[Apparelyzed]

Following from this discussion in the Members area, how do you feel about the Negative Reputation button?

This poll will close in one week.

[jenny407]

Interesting poll. Thank you, Simon.

[Zack]

I'd Much rather see a Negative button being clicked, then seeing a Negative reply.

[wheeliebear75]

ABSA-STINKING-LUTELY!!!



Keep keep keep!

[qbounce]

Zack, on 06 December 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

I'd Much rather see a Negative button being clicked, then seeing a Negative reply.

Except that negative comments are subjective by nature.
What's considered a negative comment to one person may not necessarily appear negative to everyone.

[ajl338]

I have no idea what a negitave reputation button is or does, so since i have got this far without one i guess my life wont be dramaically changed if i do or dont have one

[McTavish]

I personally have never used the red button and with all this talk I am a bit nervous of hitting it.

[Smileyblue]

I couldn't be bothered.. On one hand, if you can gain reputation, you should also be able to lose it; but on the other hand there are too many people who jump to conclusions and make assumptions based on our own insecurities and emotional states.. Things are taken personally when never intended to be that way, so judgement is made unfairly and in haste..

[D. Smith]

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I do plan to use it for posts that could result in bad information being passed around or in the case of really discouraging comments.

I feel that the button should remain due to Lavendarthistle's above quote in the other thread. Unfortunately due to the nature of SCI's information about it is very case by case. Just because I can't do one thing I feel it a disservice to state that others will never be able to do it. It would be a post like that that I think the negative rep should be used and then clarified by the individual.

Just my two cents.

Edited by D. Smith, 06 December 2011 - 08:48 PM.

[dreamerr]

I think it needs to go because you can learn even from the negative comments people make. We are all in a high stressed living situation and some of us are nuts and shouldn't be condemned for it. If someone that people complains about all of a sudden got a lot of negs they can get very upset and who knows. It just isn't nice we have enough issues without adding more. Now give me reps for this comment lmao.

[Zack]

Dreamerr does make a valid point. We never know what might be someones breaking point. Espicially in our high strung stressful lives!

I'm staying away from the Negative Button!

[allis53ca]

i couldn't resist accomidating Zack

[Vanessamaee]

I feel that if it remains it may be abused.

[greybeard]

Each negative rep just reduces the total count by one. From my (dim) recollection, I don't think many people ended up with just a negative total. For this reason I doubt that receiving a negative rep would be likely to push anyone over the edge.

I do believe that seeing your rep total going down, without knowing who or why another member disagreed with you, is of less value than reading a post that gives reasons for the disagreement. The negative rep may be made by a new member on something you posted months in the past, so you would never find the post that got red buttoned. Like Lav wrote in the other thread, I want to know and have the opportunity to argue my case, and that is why I voted against retaining it.

[MTB John]

I've not voted yet, I'm waiting for option number four - Disable both.

[greybeard]

MTB John, on 07 December 2011 - 12:59 AM, said:

I've not voted yet, I'm waiting for option number four - Disable both.

Been thinking about that. Despite what I wrote earlier, now, I think that would be the best option. If it became available I would choose it. I'm cancelling my vote in the hope that your suggestion is included.








On further reflection I have voted "NO" again.

Edited by greybeard, 07 December 2011 - 02:50 PM.

[Tetracyclone]

Being a person highly sensitive to the opinions of others, I have completely ignored it. It feels very tweenie (12-14 year old mentality), to me. Lavender Thistles point is a good one, but one can just as easily make a post saying that information is bad, or limited.

[nomis]

I hadn't noticed it. Now I've forgotten it again.

[catmint]

I voted No.

If you agree with a post then I think it's fine to hit the green button.

But if you disagree then I think it is better to post a reply. That way you get a cross section of views and different opinions. It is way to easy to press that red button..!

[dreamerr]

MTB John, on 07 December 2011 - 12:59 AM, said:

I've not voted yet, I'm waiting for option number four - Disable both.

I vote for option number four as well.

[brockit79]

I think it could be open to abuse, there are some people that get a rough ride on the forum and those who don't. Will a negative mark stop a negative comment? I doubt it. Do I necessarily dislike reading the negative comments? no, some of them are funny.

Hell I didn't even know that the strength of a reputation was built through these things until Dancin' Johny told me about a month or so ago. I kept thinking hmm, I wonder how I go about getting a good rep.

So I think it is good for folks to rep but not to negative mark as it is a bit anal in my opinion.

Broc

[MTB John]

The issue is when negative posts are rep'ed UP by all the people that dislike the poster.
A 'good' reputation should not be based on argumentative posts.

[plank]

Yes.

We're all grown up enough to use this power for good and not evil. There have been times when I deserved a negative rep or two, and I would have liked to have used the red button on a few occasions.


I would hope though, that a negative rep would be accompanied by an explanatory post and anyone who agrees with this explanatory post would rep it up rather than rep the original post down - if you know what I mean.

Plank

[MTB John]

But if your going to post your negative response then the negative rep is redundant..

Edited by MTB John, 08 December 2011 - 07:55 AM.

[jenny407]

MTB John, on 08 December 2011 - 02:16 AM, said:

The issue is when negative posts are rep'ed UP by all the people that dislike the poster.

Sorry, John. I read this three times and it still seems somehow illogic to me. I guess I got something wrong? I think I know what you mean .... Is it that people rep up a negative post because they dislike the poster of the post this responds to? (God, sounds complicated. Sorry.)

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Whatever ...
very interesting to see how close the poll is! Didn't I say there are pros and cons for each?

I'm still against -- my reasons given on the other thread.

McTavish, on 06 December 2011 - 07:17 PM, said:

I personally have never used the red button and with all this talk I am a bit nervous of hitting it.

McTavish: No reason to be afraid of clicking the red button! LOL. It is NOT the red button the American president assumedly has in his Oval Office! =)

Edited by jenny407, 08 December 2011 - 09:09 AM.

[MTB John]

I really didn't make that clear did I??
You are correct. The Poster I was referring too was the original Poster whom the negative post was aimed at.
To put it another way - when the 'pissing contest' starts, pretty much all posts get rep'ed repeatedly when they are hardly deserving there of.
At least, in my opinion..

[jenny407]

MTB John, on 08 December 2011 - 11:25 AM, said:

I really didn't make that clear did I??
You are correct. The Poster I was referring too was the original Poster whom the negative post was aimed at.
To put it another way - when the 'pissing contest' starts, pretty much all posts get rep'ed repeatedly when they are hardly deserving there of.
At least, in my opinion..

YES! And you are right, too.

(Sorry to have been so pedantic - I REALLY wondered. =) )

[greybeard]

If the red is to stay, Simon, would you please stick a spacer in between it and the green. Too easy for us old tremblers to hit the wrong one. Ta.

[bongorum]

I’ve always been of the opinion that if a thing is praiseworthy it must possess within itself that which deserves and commands praise, for goodness itself is a compelling force that makes itself recognized and acknowledged. Thus far I am yet to hear of anyone giving the red button a positive report. At one end of the spectrum of responses we have those who are indifferent, while at the other end we have those who are vociferously opposed to its presence. There are none who find it a splendid idea and are eager to have it remain. In consideration of that I really do hope Simon, as ultimate guardian and caretaker of the limited but highly-appreciated little democracy he’s allowed us here, and as our legislator, will see that none of us are especially fond of the red button. And if he decides that it absolutely must stay, then I hope he will provide us some facility that enables us to discover who our negative reppers are, otherwise we'll be like a man being punched in the dark who is entirely ignorant as to the identity of his assailant.

Also mtbjohn makes a fine point about its redundancy. And GB, please don’t tell me you’re yielding already. A fine soldier you are, sir.

Edited by bongorum, 08 December 2011 - 07:54 PM.

[lavenderthistle]

I must sheepishly admit I have used the red button once.

I thought for a while before I did it. I felt the post deserved to have a negative flag and I felt that the moment I read it. When the post was written, and I read it, I felt the wind go out of my sail and I felt I'd been slapped in the face. I addressed those feelings privately at the time the post was originally made in a rather nice email. That poster never bothered to respond to me. The post was not one made by our dear friend ATG either. His were simply argumentative opinion pieces and deserved neither a positive nor a negative in my mind. The post I red buttoned I felt to be overly discouraging and undermining to many people. When someone can feel that they are unwelcome because they aren't injured enough, or that their progress is nothing because a person has made little progress...that's injurious to new people or to people struggling for hope.

When I made my comment about "I'd much rather people call me names or call me ignorant than post something hurtful" That was the specific post I was referring to. When I came here as a new injury, had I seen a post attempting to make me feel guilty about what I had...I would have felt VERY unwelcome and left.

For that reason alone I feel the red button has merits. I don't think a post like the one I'm referring to should ever be reported...there was no cussing, name calling etc...it was simply VERY undermining and devaluing to many of our members. Thus the red button. People can see that there are others who don't agree with it without the integrity of the tread being changed. Far too many times a wonderful thread will be derailed by name calling, insult flinging and posturing...the original message is lost. I would hope that the red button would give someone a way to say "no I don't agree with what you said" Before the original poster knows it there is a full fledged argument going on around them for no reason other than an ill advised post.

Sorry this was a bit wordy...but that's my reason for liking the red button...I can happily survive if there are no buttons, one button or 10.....

Edited by lavenderthistle, 08 December 2011 - 11:33 PM.