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[sciiaf]

Finally got my Drs OK and decision that yes its time to move forward with medicinal marijuana. I have had it way beyond ‘up to here’ with the pain, spasms and lack of sleep, my top three ailments and the things preventing me from being able to get a full time job, sleep, overall have a half decent life living with this SCI bullsh*t.
I called the clinic with some questions and they said that there are different ways to ingest it, either smoking, vapor or edibles (like cookies and brownies), that unless you smoke it you wont get that head high (giggles, paranoi, munchies…which actually sound really good right now), of course its not addictive.
I’m all for it and my Dr says that her patients are very happy with it. Since my injury 2 ½ yrs ago I have suddenly been suffering from MASSIVE #*(&#@^ spasms, massive! They’re constant, my legs are heavy and stiff, transferring is difficult and I can barely get 3 hours of sleep throughout the night, much less anymore. Plus, on top of that I’m dealing with the severe nerve/bone pain that nothing has helped with that. I’m hoping that medicinal marijuana will help (it should) with all these pains, that’s what it’s supposed to do for spinal cord injuries.

I need some help here guys, for those of you who take medicinal marijuana, medicinal, NOT recreational marijuana, how has it affected you? Does it really help? Like a little or a lot? Did it get rid of your spasms and pain 100% or just a little bit? What about pain? How much do you take on a daily basis?

I’m really excited to finally move ahead with this, I’ve heard good things and honestly? Even if it really doesn’t help that much with spasms, pain, sleep….i’m just so FREAKING excited to have the legal right to purchase marijuana, if anything, like if it doesn’t really help with spasms and pain, at least I can smoke it and munch on fried chicken and doughnuts. I look forward to giggling at car insurance commercials on TV, I NEED THE MENTAL RELIEF FROM ALL THE HELL THAT SCI brings..

Anyways, seriously, help me out here, does medicinal marijuana help with spasms and pain???

[moses gichuki]

For those that are in marijuana ALREADY it makes sense to say it is the world no.1 pain killer. At least that is what they say. I do not have a personal experience and l dont want to get one. Am ok with conventional medicines. Am one guy who does not want to involve himself with the hard drugs biz. You can be like me if you choose.

[nomis]

sciiaf, on 13 January 2012 - 08:29 AM, said:

...unless you smoke it you wont get that head high (giggles, paranoi, munchies…which actually sound really good right now), of course its not addictive.

Not correct.It may be a different experience from having being processed by the liver but you can still get high if you ingest it. Apparently, the trick is to take a small enough amount so it relaxes muscles and lowers pain but does not get you high. It's trial and error till you get it right. So, in the early days expect to experience (and while your at it you might as well enjoy) an occasional high.

And yes, it's not addictive although some people here keep insisting it is. It can be habit forming and anyone using it to escape from life's realities may become psychologically dependent. I think it important to have the facts correct.

[Speed]

Ok, so I havve been using marijuana for almost three years to treat my spasms and pain. I will first say that becasue it is illegal I do not condone using it....ok, so now that I have said that.

It is so GREAT! I have used many pain reliever meds and have found that while they do subside most of the pain, the amount of other side effects overweighs the worthiness of those pain meds. And the same goes for spasm meds.
When Im feeling spastic I usually just pull out the "one-hitter" and take a few puffs. Withink about five minutes I notice that my leg muscles will relax and they are once again able to move without resistance from tense muscles and they will not go into full blown spasms if they get moved.
Now with the pain. What I suffer from is more of a non stop ache where my spine is fused together and it progressively gets worse as the day goes on. So by the end of the day I am in excruciating pain in my spine. So just like I do with my spasms, when I feel I may be in pain I jsut simply take a puff and within about 5 minutes the pain subsides. Now that is not saying that it completely goes away. It just kind of lowers the amount of pain to a more bearable level.
I notice that it does not take much if you only use it as needed. Now, if you are using it recreationally or more than needed than you will build a tolerance for it and like any drug you will need more and more to get the desired effect. I also have noticed that there are two types of medical marijuana. Obviously you have the normal THC that is in all marijuana and it is what gets you the "high" feeling. However, there is a more medical drug in it called "CBD" and it is the medicinal part of marijuana. So I would suggest when you are at the dispensary to have a conversation with one of the "pharmacists" about how much CBD vs THC you should take. Just let them know what you are using it for and the desired effects and they will be able to help you a great deal.

Now, as for anybody who says that marijuana can not be used medically or how it is easy for a person who uses it recreationally to say it has purpose in the medical field than all I can say is. Go ask the people using it how it effects them. You cant really be that ignorant. I know many people who take oxycontin and other horribly addicting drugs to combat pain and once they try marijuana they dont need the other stuff anymore.
Every drug can be addicting and bad for you if used improperly. But when used correctly they all have benefits. So if man made pills can fix problems, why cant earth made plants do the same thing? Research, dont just assume that something is bad just because our government tells you it is.

[sciiaf]

moses gichuki, on 13 January 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

For those that are in marijuana ALREADY it makes sense to say it is the world no.1 pain killer. At least that is what they say. I do not have a personal experience and l dont want to get one. Am ok with conventional medicines. Am one guy who does not want to involve himself with the hard drugs biz. You can be like me if you choose.

given the choice, I would NOT like to be like you....not for your choice to stay away from marijuana but for your arrogant and wasteless post....your comment had nothing to do with it (I was asking for feedback from marijuana users) and "the hard drugs biz" seriously...stupid observation...

so no, i'll stay 'me'

Speed, on 13 January 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Ok, so I havve been using marijuana for almost three years to treat my spasms and pain. I will first say that becasue it is illegal I do not condone using it....ok, so now that I have said that.

It is so GREAT! I have used many pain reliever meds and have found that while they do subside most of the pain, the amount of other side effects overweighs the worthiness of those pain meds. And the same goes for spasm meds.
When Im feeling spastic I usually just pull out the "one-hitter" and take a few puffs. Withink about five minutes I notice that my leg muscles will relax and they are once again able to move without resistance from tense muscles and they will not go into full blown spasms if they get moved.
Now with the pain. What I suffer from is more of a non stop ache where my spine is fused together and it progressively gets worse as the day goes on. So by the end of the day I am in excruciating pain in my spine. So just like I do with my spasms, when I feel I may be in pain I jsut simply take a puff and within about 5 minutes the pain subsides. Now that is not saying that it completely goes away. It just kind of lowers the amount of pain to a more bearable level.
I notice that it does not take much if you only use it as needed. Now, if you are using it recreationally or more than needed than you will build a tolerance for it and like any drug you will need more and more to get the desired effect. I also have noticed that there are two types of medical marijuana. Obviously you have the normal THC that is in all marijuana and it is what gets you the "high" feeling. However, there is a more medical drug in it called "CBD" and it is the medicinal part of marijuana. So I would suggest when you are at the dispensary to have a conversation with one of the "pharmacists" about how much CBD vs THC you should take. Just let them know what you are using it for and the desired effects and they will be able to help you a great deal.

Now, as for anybody who says that marijuana can not be used medically or how it is easy for a person who uses it recreationally to say it has purpose in the medical field than all I can say is. Go ask the people using it how it effects them. You cant really be that ignorant. I know many people who take oxycontin and other horribly addicting drugs to combat pain and once they try marijuana they dont need the other stuff anymore.
Every drug can be addicting and bad for you if used improperly. But when used correctly they all have benefits. So if man made pills can fix problems, why cant earth made plants do the same thing? Research, dont just assume that something is bad just because our government tells you it is.

AWESOME REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you SO much....awesome. just wise words and great insight into the issue. I am liking what i hear, that if you use it properly (ie: no over using it for recreation and thus building up the resistance) that a little goes a long way....that is great to hear, plus i'm thrilled that it helps with your spasms and pain within minutes....i'm HOPING for that effect, and yes, (I haven't tried it yet) but i'm really hoping i can ditch some of my pain meds...i'm in no danger of abusing morpine sulfate or hydrocodone, i just don't feel like they do much for me at all...thus seeking the marijuana...

thanks again man...i'll let you know how it goes when i finally get the stuff...ohhh and yeah, i'll be going to a clinic where they offer tons of strains and can cater the pot to fit my needs.

cool

nomis, on 13 January 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

sciiaf, on 13 January 2012 - 08:29 AM, said:

...unless you smoke it you wont get that head high (giggles, paranoi, munchies…which actually sound really good right now), of course its not addictive.

Not correct.It may be a different experience from having being processed by the liver but you can still get high if you ingest it. Apparently, the trick is to take a small enough amount so it relaxes muscles and lowers pain but does not get you high. It's trial and error till you get it right. So, in the early days expect to experience (and while your at it you might as well enjoy) an occasional high.

And yes, it's not addictive although some people here keep insisting it is. It can be habit forming and anyone using it to escape from life's realities may become psychologically dependent. I think it important to have the facts correct.

thanks for reply...i'm clueless when it comes to pot, only tried it like 10 times before injury but i found it hard to believe that you can ingest w/out the 'head high' but what you said makes sense. take a tiny bit for the psyhical effect to avoid the craziness...this is such great news because i want to be able to work, socialize, etc., thanks again!!

[moses gichuki]

Hi Sciiaf, you said my comment is arrogant, l never want to be that kind of person but l dont take you to be an excellent judge of character, at least not yet. I said something to do with the discussion! Am not saying am a better human being, noone is less of a person, l dont expect to change you, but its a board where l represent those with my opinion and l will leave it at that! Those who condone the use of cannabis are armed with absolutely unfair insight. If you want to be in the best health dont use weed. You will harm your lungs, you will turn yourself into am idiot and fry your brain cells, you will be a slow learner, you will not have strong erections. These drugs belong to the retarded world. Ask anyone who works in mental health how many people are suffering from severe mental problems because of mj. They can do nothing about constant memory glitches and screwed relationships. They waste time and are complete losers. Its your right to believe that a little weed wont hurt anything. Yes of course its a short time enjoyment. Keeps you high and happy and everything just doesnt matter anymore! Weed is easy to get legal or not. My neighbourhood have young people who have lost it completly. One took out all his clothes the other day and set them on fire! If you want to do yourself good: quit Mj. Thanx for reading anyway. Cheers Moses.

[Stand]

moses gichuki, on 14 January 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

Hi Sciiaf, you said my comment is arrogant, l never want to be that kind of person but l dont take you to be an excellent judge of character, at least not yet. I said something to do with the discussion! Am not saying am a better human being, noone is less of a person, l dont expect to change you, but its a board where l represent those with my opinion and l will leave it at that! Those who condone the use of cannabis are armed with absolutely unfair insight. If you want to be in the best health dont use weed. You will harm your lungs, you will turn yourself into am idiot and fry your brain cells, you will be a slow learner, you will not have strong erections. These drugs belong to the retarded world. Ask anyone who works in mental health how many people are suffering from severe mental problems because of mj. They can do nothing about constant memory glitches and screwed relationships. They waste time and are complete losers. Its your right to believe that a little weed wont hurt anything. Yes of course its a short time enjoyment. Keeps you high and happy and everything just doesnt matter anymore! Weed is easy to get legal or not. My neighbourhood have young people who have lost it completly. One took out all his clothes the other day and set them on fire! If you want to do yourself good: quit Mj. Thanx for reading anyway. Cheers Moses.

This post clearly confirms it when you say you have never used marijuana before. Took off their clothing and set them on fire? I smoked a ridiculous amount of times before my accident (no I'm not bragging) and this never happened. I wish it did though because it sounds fantastic. (Do I need to now tell you that I am being sarcastic?) Do you really believe that people suffer severe mental problems from marijuana use? If so, what ARE you smoking? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Also, not being a smoker yourself, where did you conduct your studies regarding strong erections? Weird. I think the only thing that you said that made any sense was that it will harm your lungs. No question about that. But again, that all depends on how you are using it. As previously stated above, it does not have to be smoked. If nothing else, thanks for the laughs!

Edited by Stand117711, 14 January 2012 - 10:03 PM.

[nomis]

So much of a mix of good information and rubbish here. All of you need to keep a more open mind and read whatever new research comes to light. I'd suggest any firm opinions you have are more than likely open to question. People are sadly extremely poorly educated in this matter...even those who think they know.

[A trophy guy]

moses gichuki, on 14 January 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

Hi Sciiaf, you said my comment is arrogant, l never want to be that kind of person but l dont take you to be an excellent judge of character, at least not yet. I said something to do with the discussion! Am not saying am a better human being, noone is less of a person, l dont expect to change you, but its a board where l represent those with my opinion and l will leave it at that! Those who condone the use of cannabis are armed with absolutely unfair insight. If you want to be in the best health dont use weed. You will harm your lungs, you will turn yourself into am idiot and fry your brain cells, you will be a slow learner, you will not have strong erections. These drugs belong to the retarded world. Ask anyone who works in mental health how many people are suffering from severe mental problems because of mj. They can do nothing about constant memory glitches and screwed relationships. They waste time and are complete losers. Its your right to believe that a little weed wont hurt anything. Yes of course its a short time enjoyment. Keeps you high and happy and everything just doesnt matter anymore! Weed is easy to get legal or not. My neighbourhood have young people who have lost it completly. One took out all his clothes the other day and set them on fire! If you want to do yourself good: quit Mj. Thanx for reading anyway. Cheers Moses.

OMG! You are soooo right! I can't even wear clothes at all!! I just sit around in my birthday suit all day, smoking the devil's drug (well, I do wear a diaper, cause I can't be bothered). WEED RULEZ!!!

[Tetracyclone]

Or those of use who use weed could just explain that we LIKE it.

[sciiaf]

moses gichuki, on 14 January 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

Hi Sciiaf, you said my comment is arrogant, l never want to be that kind of person but l dont take you to be an excellent judge of character, at least not yet. I said something to do with the discussion! Am not saying am a better human being, noone is less of a person, l dont expect to change you, but its a board where l represent those with my opinion and l will leave it at that! Those who condone the use of cannabis are armed with absolutely unfair insight. If you want to be in the best health dont use weed. You will harm your lungs, you will turn yourself into am idiot and fry your brain cells, you will be a slow learner, you will not have strong erections. These drugs belong to the retarded world. Ask anyone who works in mental health how many people are suffering from severe mental problems because of mj. They can do nothing about constant memory glitches and screwed relationships. They waste time and are complete losers. Its your right to believe that a little weed wont hurt anything. Yes of course its a short time enjoyment. Keeps you high and happy and everything just doesnt matter anymore! Weed is easy to get legal or not. My neighbourhood have young people who have lost it completly. One took out all his clothes the other day and set them on fire! If you want to do yourself good: quit Mj. Thanx for reading anyway. Cheers Moses.

good God, why am I responding to this post? First of all, I'm not too worried about erections because...I DON'T HAVE A PENIS!

secondly, man, I visited Kenya and Tanzania and all the people I met there were so damn lovely, kind and cool. Now, I'm left feeling disappointed.

Well, I'm going to switch off the computer and watch the national news. I heard that some guy wacked out of his mind on marijuana just robbed a bank, raped schoolchildren, drove his car into the front window of a pet rescue center, ran around naked at an old people's home and robbed a bunch of twinkies and doritos from the local 7-11.

pot is most definitely bringing this country down...
how's THAT for a non-factual, informationless, biased, heavy one sided comment???

[moses gichuki]

I just saw you reply post. What in my post shows am not a 'lovely kind and cool' person. Anyway what is it about you with getting personal. You are the best example of a woman who does not appreciate that people are different. You think that condemning weed is a very deplorable idea. Why should you not smoke weed dear Sciiaf.? I already gave you some reasons. But being in good health is why. Each to their own though! We are living in a dangerous generation; your body your choice. Its your life anyway. Oh yes you dont have a pen we all have hormones that range in our bodies and you have breast budding on you chest and a clitoris. When you meet those who sell the drugs to you ask them, "Why do you insist on the moderate use of weed ! Is it your new style of promoting your biz and getting unsuspecting people into lives of untold misery." they will shake their heads and answer: "why why why do you ask that question." l live near a forest. There is a 30 metres hole that was dug by two men high on strong marijuana. An old man had told them that he had hidden money around that spot many yrs ago. With these kind of stories l dont need to read any academic research papers done on weed. And for your information all statistics are 70% made up. Picture this dear Sciiaf, a guy resting under a tree. starts behaving like bob Marley on stage. throwing jabs in the air. laughs. meditates. runs claiming the trees are falling on him. That can be you. Enough said!!!

[drunkidiot]

jerry ! jerry!

[wheeliebear75]

sciiaf, on 13 January 2012 - 08:29 AM, said:

Finally got my Drs OK and decision that yes its time to move forward with medicinal marijuana. I have had it way beyond ‘up to here’ with the pain, spasms and lack of sleep, my top three ailments and the things preventing me from being able to get a full time job, sleep, overall have a half decent life living with this SCI bullsh*t.
I called the clinic with some questions and they said that there are different ways to ingest it, either smoking, vapor or edibles (like cookies and brownies), that unless you smoke it you wont get that head high (giggles, paranoi, munchies…which actually sound really good right now), of course its not addictive.
I’m all for it and my Dr says that her patients are very happy with it. Since my injury 2 ½ yrs ago I have suddenly been suffering from MASSIVE #*(&#@^ spasms, massive! They’re constant, my legs are heavy and stiff, transferring is difficult and I can barely get 3 hours of sleep throughout the night, much less anymore. Plus, on top of that I’m dealing with the severe nerve/bone pain that nothing has helped with that. I’m hoping that medicinal marijuana will help (it should) with all these pains, that’s what it’s supposed to do for spinal cord injuries.

I need some help here guys, for those of you who take medicinal marijuana, medicinal, NOT recreational marijuana, how has it affected you? Does it really help? Like a little or a lot? Did it get rid of your spasms and pain 100% or just a little bit? What about pain? How much do you take on a daily basis?

I’m really excited to finally move ahead with this, I’ve heard good things and honestly? Even if it really doesn’t help that much with spasms, pain, sleep….i’m just so FREAKING excited to have the legal right to purchase marijuana, if anything, like if it doesn’t really help with spasms and pain, at least I can smoke it and munch on fried chicken and doughnuts. I look forward to giggling at car insurance commercials on TV, I NEED THE MENTAL RELIEF FROM ALL THE HELL THAT SCI brings..

Anyways, seriously, help me out here, does medicinal marijuana help with spasms and pain???

1st of all please allow me to give you a somewhat long history of myself but hopefully it will be worth the read.

I was injured at just 14yrs of age just shy of my 15th birthday. At the time I was injured I was in honors classes, G.A.T.E. program (G.A.T.E. Gifted And Talented Education), had never touched drugs or even alcohol. This happened in 1990. For 13 yrs I struggled with the deep bone pain I felt in my back where I had broken L2, the burning nerve pain down my legs, the nausea that went with all that pain, & yes some spasms (although not as bad as some they ARE "there"). I also had some "anxiety" because the neuropathy makes it FEEL as if I'm wearing a pair of stockings that are several sizes to small (cutting off the circulation to my legs & feet) + that tight band I always feel around where I broke L2, & the pins & needles sensation is like someone dumped in a large bucket of fire ants. I have tried to use all sorts of "options" through the years to make the pain & neuropathy go away but all the Rx pills & pain patches, & Ketamine nasal spray did was knock me out!

I'd wake up in pain, eat breakfast & take my AM dose of pills (pain pills + muscle relaxers + anti anxiety + often anti-nausea), fallowed by a nap, wake up for lunch around 1PM, and along with lunch....more pills....fallowed by yet ANOTHER NAP, sleep for a few hrs, wake up for dinner & yet another dose of pills....and down for the night. I even ended up IN the hospital for "pain management" who decided I was NOT "a USER" & sent me home with even stronger pain pills.

So after all that time of trying the "100% LEGAL route" for well over a decade...I went through pain management yet again. THIS TIME....along with their 8wk classes, I was told by one of the head Dr.s who runs that course "If I was still your Dr., & I did NOT work for Kaiser, I'd tell you to START using marijuana." "BUT since I DO work for them....it wouldn't be a bad idea if you did start up, & I'm OK with THC showing up in your blood & urine tests.". Sooo...I started using pot.

I went from being barely about 100lbs, with my hair falling out, my nails cracking/splitting/pealing, & even my TEETH getting loose because I was puking so much the fat reserves of my body were GONE & my body was starting to break ITSELF down (collagen is what hair & nails are made of & it helps to hold your teeth in place), oh yes & wearing XL in YOUTH clothes....to NOW I'm at least keeping my hair, nails, & teeth where they belong. I'm by no means overweight but I've at least got "some meat on my bones".

If I ever drop below 100lb mark my Dr. has already threatened/told me I'll be hospitalized with a feeding tube & they'll just keep pumping it in as faster than I can puke it out. (& B/F + my Mom are in agreement)

OK....now lets fast forward to life WITH POT: I still have a bucket at the side of my bed (in case I wake up in the middle of the night up-chucking), but I now go weeks without barfing & MONTHS when it's warmer/drier weather, whereas before I was lucky if I could go for even a few days. I now may lay down a few times during the day but I just lay on my side, back or stomach playing games on my phone or listening to my MP3 player. I only take pills at NIGHT when I am wanting to sleep anyway and even then it isn't EVERY DAY/night that I take them...only on the worse pain days or if I'm running really low on the pot. I get out & go to car shows with my B/F. We go 4x4ing with our friends & there is NO WAY that I'd have been able to do THAT with just pills & my T.E.N.S. unit.

I have friends who do use marijuana for recreational use...and it's true that it does make it harder to get marijuana seen as having "medicinal value". One friend....smoked an entire 1/4oz of pot in ONE NIGHT....he barely even remembered calling us up to tell us how "HIGH" he was. Personally I can not even imagine smoking 7grams of pot in one night. But that is the difference between someone wanting to get HIGH & someone not wanting to use it for THAT type of usage.

I'm sure we've all seen the winos sleeping in the gutters & their own urine. You can find them in every continent with the exception of Antarctica (who knows maybe there are some drunk penguins nobody saw getting drunk off of old fermented fish oil under an ice shelf). Now do people go around telling the guy who bought a 6pack of beer to watch with the football game what a looser he is? NO! Why is that? That's because we all recognize that the problem is not the "substance" of booze but the PERSON who is unable to refrain from abusing. The majority of us are responsible enough to quite drinking BEFORE we've urinated all over ourselves (OK some of us are excused from that since we'd do that even 100% sober...but I think everyone "gets it").

There are other ways of consuming marijuana. You can get it into a "tea" that you drink, edibles such as brownies & cookies & candy (I've tasted most of them....the ONLY one my tongue does flip me the bird over is the brownies....they just taste like there is a bit too much walnut extract in them & a bit on the dry side). Drawback of the edible whether you drank it or ate it is that #1 because the effects take about the same amount of time to take effect as do pills you can as nomis said consume a bit more than you had bargained for, the other drawback being that if you are prone to nausea than you still run the risk of puking it back up (which does you no good) #2 it takes a larger volume to make said brownies or tea so it's a fairly expensive way to go just talking $. There are however "benefits" to eating/drinking it; #1 (make sure NOBODY WILL "I'll just take a swig to see if I like this tea she drinks." "Oooh a BROWNIE!") you CAN drink tea or eat a brownie without anyone having any "issue" with it...fat chance everyone being "OK with" you lighting up a joint, #2 although the effects take longer to set in...edibles tend to last a bit longer in the blood stream than it does when smoked.

Smoking: Is it "GOOD for" your lungs? Duh! Of course not. Let's be sensible AND honest when discussing this. Smoking does NOT harm the lungs as bad as smoking cigarettes, cigars, or tobacco from a pipe. (BTW tobacco is also used as "a pesticide"....gee is it any wonder tobacco is so harmful to our lungs?) Using something called "bong" or "water pipe" will filter most of the ash from the marijuana plant that you are smoking. Also when you go into the places that sell the "supplies" for smoking do NOT ask for "bong"...ask them for A WATER PIPE. Sometimes a nice handheld water-pipe is "best" especially since you're not going to be passing it around you're just using it for YOU. If you find the taste of the smoke is still too harsh adding some ice-cubes (if it's big enough) or just ice-water for the smaller ones will cool the air/smoke enough so you don't "choke" too much (some chocking is somewhat of "a given")

Down sides of pills: side-effects often outlast the benefits, they can often make constipation worse, if you find you're hurting again but the time for your next dose isn't here yet....you HAVE TO wait, there is always the risk of the opiate pain pills making a person stop breathing, if you vomit then you loose the medicine but STILL have to wait til the next dosage time, they're hard on organs such as liver & stomach.

Down sides of Pot: I don't recommend using "cheap " cuz "you get what you pay for" & to get the PAIN RELIEVING without being all "stoned" you will need to go with the more expensive stuff to do A PROPER JOB of pain control....it's expensive. You can't light up a joint like you can a cigarette. You can tell a person you have to take all sorts of strong pills for pain & it's "no big deal"....soon as you mention you use pot for pain...."You DRUGGIE!".

My GP is the one who handles my "case" for the most part. As he said....if he had someone who was using pot for :poo:s & giggles he wouldn't be smiling. He smiles when WE discuss how it's working cuz I'm HEALTHIER FOR USING POT. And yes I'm lucky enough that I am able to openly discuss my marijuana use with my Dr., & he happily hands me a prescription for #150 Percocet because that will last me 3-9mo instead of every 6wks like before, oh and although I do still take a muscle relaxer at night I no longer take any anti-anxiety pills like the Valium.

Sciiaf....if you have any other questions about using marijuana...please feel free to PM me.

[wheeliebear75]

(""s from Moses)
Hi Sciiaf, you said my comment is arrogant, l never want to be that kind of person but l dont take you to be an excellent judge of character, at least not yet. I said something to do with the discussion! Am not saying am a better human being, noone is less of a person, l dont expect to change you, but its a board where l represent those with my opinion and l will leave it at that! Those who condone the use of cannabis are armed with absolutely unfair insight. If you want to be in the best health dont use weed. You will harm your lungs, you will turn yourself into am idiot and fry your brain cells, you will be a slow learner, you will not have strong erections. These drugs belong to the retarded world. Ask anyone who works in mental health how many people are suffering from severe mental problems because of mj. They can do nothing about constant memory glitches and screwed relationships. They waste time and are complete losers. Its your right to believe that a little weed wont hurt anything. Yes of course its a short time enjoyment. Keeps you high and happy and everything just doesnt matter anymore! Weed is easy to get legal or not. My neighbourhood have young people who have lost it completly. One took out all his clothes the other day and set them on fire! If you want to do yourself good: quit Mj. Thanx for reading anyway. Cheers Moses.

I just saw you reply post. What in my post shows am not a 'lovely kind and cool' person. Anyway what is it about you with getting personal. You are the best example of a woman who does not appreciate that people are different. You think that condemning weed is a very deplorable idea. Why should you not smoke weed dear Sciiaf.? I already gave you some reasons. But being in good health is why. Each to their own though! We are living in a dangerous generation; your body your choice. Its your life anyway. Oh yes you dont have a pen we all have hormones that range in our bodies and you have breast budding on you chest and a clitoris. When you meet those who sell the drugs to you ask them, "Why do you insist on the moderate use of weed ! Is it your new style of promoting your biz and getting unsuspecting people into lives of untold misery." they will shake their heads and answer: "why why why do you ask that question." l live near a forest. There is a 30 metres hole that was dug by two men high on strong marijuana. An old man had told them that he had hidden money around that spot many yrs ago. With these kind of stories l dont need to read any academic research papers done on weed. And for your information all statistics are 70% made up. Picture this dear Sciiaf, a guy resting under a tree. starts behaving like bob Marley on stage. throwing jabs in the air. laughs. meditates. runs claiming the trees are falling on him. That can be you. Enough said!!!

Well I'm glad the OP pointed out the lack of even having a PENIS.

Actually I take some personal offense to what has been said! So I'm retarded? And my mental glitches aren't from the brain injury but from the pot? So...if I started smoking in 2003...why did I have so many problems with memory from 1990-2003? And I'm reasonably sure that the men in YOUR village....they're adding a lil' somfin somfin to that bowl of marijuana or hash! I think the ONLY way you'd be able to convince 2 guys HIGH on pot to dig a pit would be with the promise of "You 2 dig the pit so we can make it into a "BBQ pit", then I'll grill us up some steaks."...then MAYBE you'd be able to convince them digging a hole instead of looking up at the clouds is a good idea.

You want to say that POT "makes people" act like idiots? And therefor POT IS BAD? Do you feel/think that alcohol is just as bad? I've seen more people opting to sleep in the gutters with their bottle of booze than I care to count. Do I blame the bottle of booze for their actions? NO! Why? Because many MANY people can have themselves ONE mixed drink to relax & yet hold down a job. Because so many people CHOOSE to only drink on the weekends & only to a certain level of drunkenness. The U.S. had this stupid experiment called "prohibition" & the ONLY thing it did was open up yet another avenue for MOBSTERS to make $ & get more "power". We still have "organized crime", but they don't give a about booze since it IS legal they're not able to make any significant $ off of it.

I USED TO BE an honors student who NEVER touched any substances. I am still an intelligent person despite the brain injury. I do & continue to use marijuana...not because I'm retarded OR "an idiot", but because my health suffers from the SCI's effects on my body....I used my BRAIN & made a conscientious decision along with my Dr.s to use marijuana as a tool to have some semblance of a LIFE. If this is something you are unable to understand.....I would venture to say then that "the retarded idiot" is not I but you sir.

Edited by wheeliebear75, 18 January 2012 - 01:41 AM.

[A trophy guy]

wheeliebear75, on 18 January 2012 - 01:37 AM, said:

(""s from Moses)
Hi Sciiaf, you said my comment is arrogant, l never want to be that kind of person but l dont take you to be an excellent judge of character, at least not yet. I said something to do with the discussion! Am not saying am a better human being, noone is less of a person, l dont expect to change you, but its a board where l represent those with my opinion and l will leave it at that! Those who condone the use of cannabis are armed with absolutely unfair insight. If you want to be in the best health dont use weed. You will harm your lungs, you will turn yourself into am idiot and fry your brain cells, you will be a slow learner, you will not have strong erections. These drugs belong to the retarded world. Ask anyone who works in mental health how many people are suffering from severe mental problems because of mj. They can do nothing about constant memory glitches and screwed relationships. They waste time and are complete losers. Its your right to believe that a little weed wont hurt anything. Yes of course its a short time enjoyment. Keeps you high and happy and everything just doesnt matter anymore! Weed is easy to get legal or not. My neighbourhood have young people who have lost it completly. One took out all his clothes the other day and set them on fire! If you want to do yourself good: quit Mj. Thanx for reading anyway. Cheers Moses.

I just saw you reply post. What in my post shows am not a 'lovely kind and cool' person. Anyway what is it about you with getting personal. You are the best example of a woman who does not appreciate that people are different. You think that condemning weed is a very deplorable idea. Why should you not smoke weed dear Sciiaf.? I already gave you some reasons. But being in good health is why. Each to their own though! We are living in a dangerous generation; your body your choice. Its your life anyway. Oh yes you dont have a pen we all have hormones that range in our bodies and you have breast budding on you chest and a clitoris. When you meet those who sell the drugs to you ask them, "Why do you insist on the moderate use of weed ! Is it your new style of promoting your biz and getting unsuspecting people into lives of untold misery." they will shake their heads and answer: "why why why do you ask that question." l live near a forest. There is a 30 metres hole that was dug by two men high on strong marijuana. An old man had told them that he had hidden money around that spot many yrs ago. With these kind of stories l dont need to read any academic research papers done on weed. And for your information all statistics are 70% made up. Picture this dear Sciiaf, a guy resting under a tree. starts behaving like bob Marley on stage. throwing jabs in the air. laughs. meditates. runs claiming the trees are falling on him. That can be you. Enough said!!!

Well I'm glad the OP pointed out the lack of even having a PENIS.

Actually I take some personal offense to what has been said! So I'm retarded? And my mental glitches aren't from the brain injury but from the pot? So...if I started smoking in 2003...why did I have so many problems with memory from 1990-2003? And I'm reasonably sure that the men in YOUR village....they're adding a lil' somfin somfin to that bowl of marijuana or hash! I think the ONLY way you'd be able to convince 2 guys HIGH on pot to dig a pit would be with the promise of "You 2 dig the pit so we can make it into a "BBQ pit", then I'll grill us up some steaks."...then MAYBE you'd be able to convince them digging a hole instead of looking up at the clouds is a good idea.

You want to say that POT "makes people" act like idiots? And therefor POT IS BAD? Do you feel/think that alcohol is just as bad? I've seen more people opting to sleep in the gutters with their bottle of booze than I care to count. Do I blame the bottle of booze for their actions? NO! Why? Because many MANY people can have themselves ONE mixed drink to relax & yet hold down a job. Because so many people CHOOSE to only drink on the weekends & only to a certain level of drunkenness. The U.S. had this stupid experiment called "prohibition" & the ONLY thing it did was open up yet another avenue for MOBSTERS to make $ & get more "power". We still have "organized crime", but they don't give a about booze since it IS legal they're not able to make any significant $ off of it.

I USED TO BE an honors student who NEVER touched any substances. I am still an intelligent person despite the brain injury. I do & continue to use marijuana...not because I'm retarded OR "an idiot", but because my health suffers from the SCI's effects on my body....I used my BRAIN & made a conscientious decision along with my Dr.s to use marijuana as a tool to have some semblance of a LIFE. If this is something you are unable to understand.....I would venture to say then that "the retarded idiot" is not I but you sir.

Wheeliebear, you shouldn't have even wasted so much of your time composing such a post in response to this "REEFER MADNESS"-era lunacy.

[ZEN12many]

sciiaf

When you first try it, smoke it. When you smoke it, you'll know when you are high enough and can stop smoking. With edibles, you may very well eat too much and then you are going to get higher than you want (edibles should taste bad like medicine, not taste like brownies - you shouldn't want seconds just because they taste good).

I've smoked pot for about 40 years and paralyzed for 7. Re effect, I think pot helps you tolerate pain and spasms more than it stops them. But helping tolerate those problems as well as others is still a positive.

Try it, you'll like it.

[moses gichuki]

'wheeliebear75' am saddened by the fact that you take personal offense! It was never my intention. My post was made from my first hand experience on what pot has been to my country's people. Allow me to apologise. Am sorry. Am glad that you were able to get a solution to some of your challenges. Its good that your experience has been a success story. I personally got my sci in 1989. I have got paralysis on my lower limbs and l am in no controll of my bladder and bowels. But l use a urine bag and l have learnt to empty my bowel regularly. I wish you the very best.

[nomis]

Hey, it's all good. We're all learning. We live in different parts of the world and among different societies, some of which have people who behave in odd ways. Some people use pot in abusive ways, some use it carefully in ways that seems to help them.

[daniel562]

weed helps with spasims bigg tyime i no longer smooke like before if u seen my prior post i had some drug issue ith coke n now struggling with soberiorty buy neways weed defeantly helps with spasmism n does to help with pain n able to fall asleep faster n wake up rested

[Picasso-Quad]

I know that it has already been mentioned on here to use herb like a prescription med & I totally agree %100! I have built such a high tolerance to all of the synthetic opiates that all the drs. out their want to give you! All they do is gain nothing but profit off of you by getting a cut from the company who manufactures the drug for every script they write! All those opiates they give you are just turning you into a synthetic heroin addict, you'll just have to keep using stronger doses that will never get rid of the pain & people wonder why heroin addicts eventually overdose! My advice is to talk to the people at the dispensary for exactly what you need it for & what affect as far as functioning mentally & physically you want. Every strand that they sale has been thoroughly tested just like any other form of medicine, they will know exactly which type does what to your body i.e. making you sleepy, being able to have a clear head & still function @ work ect. I no longer take any pain pills for the severe amount of pain I was in nor do I take any other pills for my spasms which would literally throw me out of my chair, I've even found that if I get a urinary tract infection I smoke a little more than normal & it goes away as well! I've been in my chair for 10 years & 5 of those were miserably spent taking pills that didn't do shyte, since I started using pot medicinally I'll just say it totally changed my life for the better! Enjoy your endeavor & look forward to the relief it will bring to your life!