[Lee]

This story was on my local news and i found it unbelievable. He has to bathe in a byer, yes, a cow shed. The pictures were unreal and prisoners have more human rights.

http://www.hexham-courant.co.uk/news/viewa....aspx?id=394518

cheers lee

[sweetie]

I could well believe it, makes you wander how these people get these jobs when they have little or no (if they really care) understanding of peoples needs.

I cannot get into my fathers toilet (to narrow) but there is a public loo around the corner, very clean nice sink ext: just one problem there is no disable handle So we asked the council if we could have one!!! Answer NO ?? we said we would put one in considering the area is surrounded by elderly people.

But we were unprepared for the real reason !!!!! The toilets could get vandalised and they could get sued by the vandals hurting themselfs on the bar Not the fact maybe they might hurt themselfs on the metal sink or tiles if they try and prise them off could go on and on .
Lets hope I do not fall when transfering. Think I better have a glass of wine calm myself down.

Why cannot life just be simple and straight forward. Sorry if I moaned on to much

[Lee]

At Whitley Bay not far from where i live is public toilets. A huge step to get in, and no handrails. Needed the loo, couldnt get of the toilet so had to phone my wife in the car to come and help me off the loo. I feel like pi**i(g in the car park and see what they have to say to that.

cheers lee

[Lucydog]

Actually this is unbelieveable... this guy lives 3 miles down the road from me. What the newspaper doesnt say is that he lives in the North Pennines National Park, is in an area of outstanding beauty, and overlooks the Northumberland National Park. From a planning point of view he couldnt be in a worse place. Policy is there to protect these areas like it or lump it. The council hs not said No... they would to every other planning application, but asked him to look at certain aspects of design again. So his architect will go back and come up with some altered proposals. Whatever happens he will eventually get a very desirable place to live. He also has almost unlimited funds thanks to compensation from the RFU and also from ongoing fund raising and local appeals (this has been discussed at length here). Its money most of us can only dream of. Im certainly not unsympathetic, but if we as disabled people want the same rights and opportunities as ABs then I do think we have to accept it when it doesnt go in our favour as well. Or do we continually play the disabled card?

Now as for toilets.......well.......

[Lee]

AHHHH. See. the media has ways of making you think differently then. It didnt say that he had unlimited funds as each to their own but it made it sound like he had no money and no means of buying another property to suit his needs. In that case i dont feel sorry for the guy as he has financies to buy a property to convert out of the restricted area. And if any1 knew me, then they would realise i am actually quite anti disabled myself and dont actually see why disabled people should get free parking or other certain perks.

cheers lee

[russ1]

Lee, on Aug 3 2006, 08:57 AM, said:

And if any1 knew me, then they would realise i am actually quite anti disabled myself and dont actually see why disabled people should get free parking or other certain perks.

cheers lee

We get free parking because we don't really have an option but to drive and park. Pre injury I'd walk, cycle or occasionally use public transport to avoid parking or purely because it was a better way to travel - now I generally don't have that option. I have to drive so it's therefore not unreasonable to be offered free parking.

[Gary Anderson]

One thing before I start - if you are anti disabled then why come on here in the first place?

Anyroads, I'll tackle your article this way:-

Firstly, tought S*** for the bloke living in a National Park. Disabled or not he should have realised there would be stringent planning guidelines. Secondly, he has "limited funds." Listen pal, not all disabled folks are rich you know. When I was realised from Stoke 18 years ago NO ONE was interested in the fact that having up until then lived with my wife in Surrey, I had nowhere to go since we split up whilst I was in there. The hospital rehabilitated me without counsellors or some other do gooder coming to tell me it would "get better in time." So, out I went into the wide world.

Fortnately, my folks took me in until I could cope on my own. I did not know who to contact when I wanted to branch out on my own. Other disabled folks cope without funds or trusts or whatever.

As regards his living accommodation. I know a man who has lived for 30 YEARS in the downstairs of his house, unable to get upstairs. His wife just gets on with it. They too have badgered Councils, etc. Until something happens, they get on with life. I sincerely hope that Ali does get a result soon. Why does he not approach the COuncil about getting alternative accommodation?

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And if any1 knew me, then they would realise i am actually quite anti disabled myself and dont actually see why disabled people should get free parking or other certain perks.

cheers lee

Now, this last quote. Personally, I am disabled, use a wheelchair sometime and sticks the rest of the time. Unlike you, I cannot walk for any distance very well, so, as a "reward" I get free parking. If you want to have the same privilege, let me know where you are and I will soon give you that privilege too.

Simon (and Andy) go to a lot of bother to keep these boards "safe" for the likes of us and the last thing I want is to have someone come on here "baiting" us advice givers with a topic, firing us of and then finishing like that.

Personally, I think YOU are missing out on so much by NOT being disabled.

[Apparelyzed]

Lee, on Aug 3 2006, 08:57 AM, said:

And if any1 knew me, then they would realise i am actually quite anti disabled myself and dont actually see why disabled people should get free parking or other certain perks.

So you won't be wanting that VAT relief for those hand controls then?

http://www.apparelyz...?showtopic=2152

Simon

[russ1]

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Simon (and Andy) go to a lot of bother to keep these boards "safe" for the likes of us and the last thing I want is to have someone come on here "baiting" us advice givers with a topic, firing us of and then finishing like that.

Personally, I think YOU are missing out on so much by NOT being disabled

Ooopps Gary - bit of a two footed lunge there making some assumptions that just aren't right! Lee has stated elsewhere that he is disabled - he walks with difficulty but chooses not to use a chair even though maybe he should.

I took his anti disabled comment to mean that he was anti disabled being given special treatment - if you're familiar with the social model then this isn't an uncommon sentiment. Personally I don't want a free ticket at the cinema - what I want is to be able to sit in a seat that not's bunged in at the front as an afterthought, I don't really want free parking I'd rather have a fully accessible bus service and pavements that weren't full of dog shit that I can wheel along with proper drop kerbs and the like. In a world that was properly inclusive we wouldn't need free this and free that. However while we still have to compromise then it's only fair that we get something in return.

I think you just took the comments just a bit too much to heart.

As for planning laws don't get me started

[Gary Anderson]

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Lee has stated elsewhere that he is disabled - he walks with difficulty but chooses not to use a chair even though maybe he should.

Have not read any posts elsewhere I must be honest. I too walk with difficulty and choose not to use a chair. That is my choice.

Maybe the comments were taken a bit too much to heart, however, perhaps the cynicism comes from actually spending time in the NHS and watching just how the system operates for people who are trying to do their best in the most horrible of situations.

Not everyone can read something, think and then react. Unfortunately, I am one of them, if it lights my fire then I have to react there and then. I do not know of any disabled person who becomes disabled and does not have problems with planning or other regulations. In an ideal world folks like us would have the same rights, etc, as ABs, however, the ideal world does not exist otherwise we would all be there.

Perhaps he should have made clear his use of the word "anti."

[Lee]

LOLOLOLOL. U lot dont arf get on your high horse about things. As for not being disabled i can hardly walk so yes i am disabled and i choose not to use a chair. Ok, i might of worded my self wrong. I dont often get into arguments about disability issues and ram it down peoples throats like alot on here do. I am not as i said anti disabled as in the fact of hate disabled people, why the hell would I. Atleast as someone has mentioned to me already about this post, i can certainly keep you lot chatting, lol. Im not offened by any comments on here and to be honest didnt read some of them but will go back and read them. My choice of words was maybe wrong then,lol, but because i am disabled then it gives me the choice of any perks and i still have to freedom of my speech which most of you obviously didnt like.

cheers lee

[Gary Anderson]

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U lot dont arf get on your high horse about things.

Us lot" are a kind, considerate bunch of guys/gals who genuinely want to help others by offering advice and wisdom gathered over a number of years of disability. Mostly to make the way easier for other people.

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I dont often get into arguments about disability issues and ram it down peoples throats like alot on here do.

I am a relatively new member of Simon's site and can honestly say not one of us "rams" our views down anyones throats.

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it gives me the choice of any perks and i still have to freedom of my speech which most of you obviously didnt like.

Everyone of us on this forum has one thing in common - DISABILITY. Apart from that, we are all individuals each of us with the freedom of speech and able to express our own opinion. I too am disabled, sometimes using a chair, most times walking "after a fashion."

You expressed your opinion and I expressed mine.

Not matter what you or anyone else thinks, these forums a mine of information to a newly disabled person and, indeed to those of us disabled for years.

If you don't want want anyone else's opinion, then don't fire us up.

[Lee]

Thats no problem Gary. As ive already said, im not offended by what anyones said on here and are welcome to say what they like. If you read my previous posts on other parts of the forum you would realise i also particpate to peoples problems and have asked questions myself. I have no problems with peoples views and they are welcome to say what they want, as i am too. I have obviously upset some people on here but thats life. Russ has my opinion spot on with disabled people. Most disabled people are thought of as an "after thought" as far as issues go, e.g parking, toilets etc. I dont aim to fire anyone up but it has been mentioned to me that i opened a can of worms on this topic of my views. As you have said also, each to their own and there views. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed about things and didnt have our own opinions.

cheers lee

[crash]

I need the parking because I need space to get my wheelchair out. Simple as that. I don't need to be close, I just need the space. No need to complicate it.

[Lee]

Is there anyone on this site from around the north east of england? I know of one person on this site which is aswell as me. Up here in the north is doesnt matter if your disabled or not. We still have to pay for parking where ever you park and the parking facilites offered are very very poor. Does anyone else using this site have to pay for parking and where abouts are you from?

cheers lee

[russ1]

Lee, on Aug 4 2006, 07:52 PM, said:

Up here in the north is doesnt matter if your disabled or not. We still have to pay for parking where ever you park and the parking facilites offered are very very poor. Does anyone else using this site have to pay for parking and where abouts are you from?
cheers lee

Depends where you park - any council run car park anywhere in the UK should be free to BB holders - I've not come across one yet that's not. If it's run by a commercial organisation where charges apply it varies -I've come across some that charge and some that don't, NCP for instance generally do charge - sometimes you have to look quite closely at the charges board to work it out.

It's a bit stupid of councils not to offer free parking as you can always go park on a double yellow line for free which AIUI is why most councils do offer free parking in their car parks. Perhaps you should make a point of doing so if your council doesn't offer free parking. Whereabouts in the North East are you?

My location is in my profile.

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I need the parking because I need space to get my wheelchair out. Simple as that. I don't need to be close, I just need the space. No need to complicate it.

The point wasn't whether we needed special parking but if it should be free if the AB parking isn't. Do you ever have to pay to park in the US?

[Lee]

Russ theres a plenty council run car parks around my area and especially North Yorkshire that charge for bb holders. You stole my thread, lol, i was going to say about it is stupid charging when you can park on double yellow lines for up to 2 hrs and unlimited time in scotland. Surely even though your allowed to park on double yellow lines, if the car parks were free then it wouldnt congest the streets. Never mind. What are the lws in the usa then? are they same as uk?

[Shiraz]

Lee, on Aug 4 2006, 07:40 PM, said:

Thats no problem Gary. As ive already said, im not offended by what anyones said on here and are welcome to say what they like. If you read my previous posts on other parts of the forum you would realise i also particpate to peoples problems and have asked questions myself. I have no problems with peoples views and they are welcome to say what they want, as i am too. I have obviously upset some people on here but thats life. Russ has my opinion spot on with disabled people. Most disabled people are thought of as an "after thought" as far as issues go, e.g parking, toilets etc. I dont aim to fire anyone up but it has been mentioned to me that i opened a can of worms on this topic of my views. As you have said also, each to their own and there views. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed about things and didnt have our own opinions.

cheers lee

Really being called disabled go a long way in mind-set, I prefer people to think that I am challenged as suppose to being disabled, because disabled might imply that you cannot do a thing for yourself and often people will want to assist. My car does not have a disabled person sticker, cause people have attitude towards that, I think we can use Lee’s comments to best suit us. We cannot judge him, nevertheless our injuries vary from person to person, and we all still feel the heat.

I have still to drive anywhere in this country, where parking is offered free for disabled people, I only know that they accommodate disabled people with allocated parking space to save them from distances.

As for public toilets, I have seen normal people get to disable people toilet, and what happens next is that you will wait outside, as they come out realizing that they kept you out, they become so apologetic and even offers to hold the door for you, s***w that.

This post has been edited by Shiraz: 05 August 2006 - 05:57 PM

[russ1]

Lee, on Aug 5 2006, 11:17 AM, said:

Russ theres a plenty council run car parks around my area and especially North Yorkshire that charge for bb holders. You stole my thread, lol, i was going to say about it is stupid charging when you can park on double yellow lines for up to 2 hrs and unlimited time in scotland. Surely even though your allowed to park on double yellow lines, if the car parks were free then it wouldnt congest the streets.

It's bleedin daft and encourages on street parking. A quick google shows that Harrogate, York, & Leeds council don't charge, Craven Richmondshire and Hambleton don't state one way or another and Ryedale does charge in all it's car parks (although unhelpfully offering a park for 3 hrs for the price of two - wohoo!). If the local disabled groups had anything about them they'd organise a bugger up the traffic and park on the double yellows day in protest.

If I was a council tax payer I'd be raising merry hell!

And FWIW I absolutely hate with a passion being called challenged - I can't decide whether it's just a condecending PC term or whether it suggests some sort of mental shortcoming but either way I'd rather be called a cripple - at least that's factually correct. I've often thought that maybe I should put a disabled driver - hand controls only sticker in the back window so people can see it as I over take and leave them behind

[russ1]

Replying to my own post! Last soign of th edesperate and isillusioned

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A quick google shows that Harrogate, York, & Leeds council don't charge, Craven Richmondshire and Hambleton don't state one way or another and Ryedale does charge in all it's car parks (although unhelpfully offering a park for 3 hrs for the price of two - wohoo!).

Out of interest I fired off an email to the following councils, Craven Richmondshire and Hambleton and they've all replied that they don't charge so It looks like you're desperately unlucky Lee.

See seperate thread on parking in rydale

[Gary Anderson]

should put a disabled driver - hand controls only sticker in the back window so people can see it as I over take and leave them behind

Actually, here in Scotland, such stickers are put on your car when they are converted. Every car that I have owned has had a sticker advertising the manufacturer of the h/cs.

I find it actually stops folks from driving up my ass end - if they see the sticker then they can either overtake or do the other.

[Jilly]

My guy doesnt have any stickers on his car but he DOES have a hoist on the roof WITH a wheelchair folded up on it! He still gets people flying up his ass - and pushing him over when they pass. It doesnt seem to make a difference.