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[Nicus]

Hi.I watched allot of wheelchair self defense videos on the tube and it got me wondering on protecting the ones you love and being in a chair yourself.
Being a quad makes it a bit more difficult to handle weapons(hand-function for me).
I also liked the scene in due date where a guy in a chair kicks someones butt with a baton.

Thinking of getting a leather wristband and incorporating a compact flick baton into it.
Why I chose a flick baton instead of a switchblade:
-Easily concealable.
-Just a flick of a wrist to extend the baton instead of a switch.
-Not seen as a weapon at first.
Thinking wolverine and assassins creed here that kind of thing.

Has anybody got any ideas other than mentioned?

[Nicus]

Bump.
This is really a worrying piont for me.
I really don't have the hand function to protect them.
When we get to that bridge is it better to get her a firearm licence and training or a self defence class?

[Millard]

Nicus, on 14 April 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Bump.
This is really a worrying piont for me.
I really don't have the hand function to protect them.
When we get to that bridge is it better to get her a firearm licence and training or a self defence class?

My preference is a .45 calibre Smith & Wesson revolver.

Good luck.

[rollingtrouble]

I now pack a Beretta PX4 sub compact in .40 caliber, it fits well in the cripply hand, is single/double action, and actually both smaller and easier to handle than the Colt defender .45 I sometimes carry. If you dont want to carry a firearm, then mace or pepper spray is a fair deterrent to attack, but lead works better.

[davjed]

I have a Ruger LCP in .380 in a cross carry holster and really like the compactness and light weight compared to others I occasionally carry. I recently added a side mounted laser sight that really makes neat package. Depending on your hand and wrist strength, get biggest caliber you can handle comfortably.

[munkypoop]

My uncle teaches martial arts and teaches self-defense for handicapped and the elder. He won the instructor of the year in the country a few years ago and knows and teaches different forms of martial arts. He taught me a lot before my accident and said if/when I get arms back he will teach me how to use a wheelchair as a weapon and other handicapped defense!

[Nicus]

munkypoop, on 15 April 2012 - 05:24 AM, said:

My uncle teaches martial arts and teaches self-defense for handicapped and the elder. He won the instructor of the year in the country a few years ago and knows and teaches different forms of martial arts. He taught me a lot before my accident and said if/when I get arms back he will teach me how to use a wheelchair as a weapon and other handicapped defense!

Like throwing the purp with your wheel?
I saw some of those vids on youtube very good for a para(not for a quad like me) as I won't be able to grab something and just one push and I do half a backflip.
I got a .22 anchuts rifle I want to use as a range rifle with scope and silencer(bit big)for self defence. My trigger finger can hardly press a remote button.
My dad has a colt magnum 357 and a colt 38 detective special 6 (shot) both of them pack a nice punch and the 38 bullets can be used in the 357
Big thing is I'll have to get a pistoll ruger would be fitting but it looks like a BB gun(no offence DAV)
Colt defender looks more like my firearm of choice.
Do you know of a soft triggeror wrist extension mechanism mod I can let someone do?
Which pistoll do you guys recomend?

Edited by Nicus, 15 April 2012 - 09:48 AM.

[scaldedcat]

Here in good old Brisbane Australia, if you want to defend yourself or your family, good luck. After my accident, Leah and I and my 11 yo step daughter were placed in a housing commission unit as we could no longer afford to rent a place of our own. A number of the residents here are drug addicts and have friends over regularly. One was brought out in a body bag just the other day. We see obvious drug deals being done on a daily basis, the police know about it but do nothing.

So since my accident, I have constanly been worried about the safety of my family. What could I do if someone breaks in while we're in bed. I am totally helpless, and could not imagine something happening to my loved one's while I was trying to get in my chair and even then what hope would I have if they were armed. So I rang our local police station and explained the situation and asked if there was anything I could do as far as getting a weapon of some kind, and he cut me off before I finished, saying "absolutely not". So what should I do, I foolishly asked, and the uninterested police officer had no advice. So no concern for our safety, but just a warning not to arm ourselves to ensure the poor perpertrator is not harmed. Pathetic.

[rollingtrouble]

Nicus, on 15 April 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

munkypoop, on 15 April 2012 - 05:24 AM, said:

My uncle teaches martial arts and teaches self-defense for handicapped and the elder. He won the instructor of the year in the country a few years ago and knows and teaches different forms of martial arts. He taught me a lot before my accident and said if/when I get arms back he will teach me how to use a wheelchair as a weapon and other handicapped defense!

Like throwing the purp with your wheel?
I saw some of those vids on youtube very good for a para(not for a quad like me) as I won't be able to grab something and just one push and I do half a backflip.
I got a .22 anchuts rifle I want to use as a range rifle with scope and silencer(bit big)for self defence. My trigger finger can hardly press a remote button.
My dad has a colt magnum 357 and a colt 38 detective special 6 (shot) both of them pack a nice punch and the 38 bullets can be used in the 357
Big thing is I'll have to get a pistoll ruger would be fitting but it looks like a BB gun(no offence DAV)
Colt defender looks more like my firearm of choice.
Do you know of a soft triggeror wrist extension mechanism mod I can let someone do?
Which pistoll do you guys recomend?

The Colt .45 auto, or all 1911 models being single action can be worked by a good gunsmith to lighten up the trigger pull. The PX4 I use on single action has about a 4.5 lb trigger pull, and works well for me seeing that it takes me both hands to shoot. But I like the .45 autos very much!

[edlee]

I should think that an auto would be a beter choice. The problem with carrying a gun by someone with limited arm and hand strength, is,, it's no good unless you can hit what you want to hit. So IF you decide to carry,,,,, practice, practice, practice. Otherwise,, all you are is a place for some ahole to get a gun.

The key to protection offered by carrying a firearm is in no one knowing you have one till they hear the shot.
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[Nicus]

edlee, on 15 April 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

I should think that an auto would be a beter choice. The problem with carrying a gun by someone with limited arm and hand strength, is,, it's no good unless you can hit what you want to hit. So IF you decide to carry,,,,, practice, practice, practice. Otherwise,, all you are is a place for some ahole to get a gun.

The key to protection offered by carrying a firearm is in no one knowing you have one till they hear the shot.
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I was quite a good shot before my accident. The practice I do agree appon.
You have a piont there with strength. It's just my damn vingers thats the prob.
Purp like to understimate gimps like us(O so helpless)and we have allot of places to hide our firearms

Do you get an easygrip splint or something.
Thanks for your help as well rollingT

[Millard]

scaldedcat, on 15 April 2012 - 11:26 AM, said:

Here in good old Brisbane Australia, if you want to defend yourself or your family, good luck. After my accident, Leah and I and my 11 yo step daughter were placed in a housing commission unit as we could no longer afford to rent a place of our own. A number of the residents here are drug addicts and have friends over regularly. One was brought out in a body bag just the other day. We see obvious drug deals being done on a daily basis, the police know about it but do nothing.

So since my accident, I have constanly been worried about the safety of my family. What could I do if someone breaks in while we're in bed. I am totally helpless, and could not imagine something happening to my loved one's while I was trying to get in my chair and even then what hope would I have if they were armed. So I rang our local police station and explained the situation and asked if there was anything I could do as far as getting a weapon of some kind, and he cut me off before I finished, saying "absolutely not". So what should I do, I foolishly asked, and the uninterested police officer had no advice. So no concern for our safety, but just a warning not to arm ourselves to ensure the poor perpertrator is not harmed. Pathetic.

I came home one day and my front door was standing open. I called the police on my cell phone but got no answer. I went to my back yard and let my neighbors dog over. (He thinks he belongs to us.) I just opened the back door and let him him. I didn't hear him bark or anyone scream, so I went on in. By the way, he is a 120 Rottweiler that loves coming to our house and playing with our 2 dogs. You may want to consider a dog and he doesn't have to be large.

[tsh3406]

I get my ladyfriends these lil beauties. Nothin' says love like semi-permanent blindness and head trauma, lol....

http://www.surefire....ights/e2dl.html

[Wobbly]

tsh3406, on 16 April 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

I get my ladyfriends these lil beauties. Nothin' says love like semi-permanent blindness and head trauma, lol....

http://www.surefire....ights/e2dl.html

I like the fact this is lady friendS plural......you old dog!

[MTB John]

I have four dogs one of which is a a great big Rottweiler cross with a great spin chilling growl.
But the funny thing is that most Thai people have a deep seated fear of dogs that don't bark.
I have another old dog that came with the house (squatters rights) he's half blind, half deaf and hardly ever moves but scares the hell out of everyone..

[tsh3406]

MTB John, on 06 May 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

I have four dogs one of which is a a great big Rottweiler cross with a great spin chilling growl.
But the funny thing is that most Thai people have a deep seated fear of dogs that don't bark.
I have another old dog that came with the house (squatters rights) he's half blind, half deaf and hardly ever moves but scares the hell out of everyone..

That's irony for ya, lol

Wobbly, on 06 May 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

tsh3406, on 16 April 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

I get my ladyfriends these lil beauties. Nothin' says love like semi-permanent blindness and head trauma, lol....

http://www.surefire....ights/e2dl.html

I like the fact this is lady friendS plural......you old dog!

I see how that looks now, haha, but one at a time for me.... except for this one chick.... I kinda miss her ;)

[The Black Sheep]

I'm totally unqualified to recommend anything for a quad, I'm sorry.

I work alone a lot and our office is right next to a bar and truck stop, so if I stay late enough, you get to see some interesting characters in the parking lot. If I'm ever there after 6 PM I lock the door, but I also carry a 6 inch knife that has a holster sewed onto the underside of my chair. You wouldn't know to look for it unless someone pointed it out. I also have a tazer that looks like a cell phone. Incognito. 80,000 volts should, hopefully, deter someone. Thankfully I've never had to use it. It might be something a quad could use. It really doesn't have much coordination and the wrist band keeps it from falling out of your hand, but there is a large button that needs to be pushed. If you have any arm movement and slight grip, it's very possible. It's nothing like a gun with a trigger where you have to brace yourself for the recoil or squeeze hard. It's basically a plastic, light brick that you can roll your thumb over. The button itself it very light to push.

These are the only things you can legally carry in New York without a license. You can't even have pepper spray. I'm in the process of getting my carry license, and maybe in a year or so I'll be carrying a 9mm that can be tucked behind my hip somewhere between the clothing gaurds of my chair.

[tsh3406]

One thing everyone (SCI or not) needs to keep in mind is that no matter what you choose to carry for self-defense, there is a good probability that it will be used against you. It may make you feel safer to have it, but if you are face to face with an attacker, will you really have time to get a good grip on a concealed weapon and get it out before that person gets hold of you? I am absolutely a proponent of constitutional carry and always have a .41 magnum with me, but also understand that for it to do me any good it has to be out and ready to fire well before a suspected attacker gets to me. If not, then it becomes a physical struggle and that's when people's weapons are used against them. That's why a lot of folks prefer something they can have in hand at any given time.

[MTB John]

That's what I try to tell my wife but she never listens..

[rollingtrouble]

tsh3406, on 06 May 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

One thing everyone (SCI or not) needs to keep in mind is that no matter what you choose to carry for self-defense, there is a good probability that it will be used against you. It may make you feel safer to have it, but if you are face to face with an attacker, will you really have time to get a good grip on a concealed weapon and get it out before that person gets hold of you? I am absolutely a proponent of constitutional carry and always have a .41 magnum with me, but also understand that for it to do me any good it has to be out and ready to fire well before a suspected attacker gets to me. If not, then it becomes a physical struggle and that's when people's weapons are used against them. That's why a lot of folks prefer something they can have in hand at any given time.

Indeed, situational awareness is the key and being careful to not put yourself in bad situations or places is very important. One must be aware of where they are and realize that not everyone out there is friendly or good. The best actors are not in Hollywood, but on the streets looking for an easy mark. There are things that you can do to keep yourself safer by how you look and act. Confidence can go a long way, if you carry yourself with confidence and look alert, your chances are much better. If you are not able to handle a firearm well, you are better off with a non lethal means of self defense like mace, stun gun, or even something that makes alot of noise to draw attention. There are many alternatives out there depending on your capabilities, you dont want to fall victim to your own choice, especially a deadly weapon. Using a firearm takes alot of practice, being comfortable and proficient with the weapon. Awareness and confidence will go a long way.

Edited by rollingtrouble, 06 May 2012 - 06:06 PM.

[wheeliebear75]

For home protection? Aint no better family friend AND protector than the family DOG! We have a Siberian Husky; funny thing is we've been on our porch grilling up some burgers on the BBQ, & eventually someone will end up walking by our trailer, Timber doesn't go running over with teeth beared or growling or anything....even with a wagging tail if he runs over to the railing to get a better look 1/2 the time people FREAK OUT! What....aint ya never seen an 80lb dog running to see what's up?

Here's the thing about safety out & about: MOST important thing is just avoiding comprimising situations whenever possible. If you live or work in BAD AREAS then it's hard to "avoid". You CAN however still use your chair to your ADVANTAGE, for the most part on flat ground (OK we loose going up-hill) & most certainly on downhill slopes.....WE are faster then "walkies" (people who WALK "normally") & as such when not certain about what nofarious types might be around get from point A to point B AFAP As FAST As Possible! WE can can go faster than they do on average once we get going.....sooooo....it's much harder to grab a ZOOMING target. Also YOUR attitude or how you carry yourself....if you LOOK scared or nervous, those who are looking for an easy target will hone in on THAT.....likewise.....making sure you are not distracted by things like music from an MP3 player, making eye contact with anyone who approaches looking at them HEAD ON (not glaring....you don't want to "start something") but not showing any hint of fear or nervousness. Also having a hands-free device for your phone on your ear isn't a bad idea.....criminals don't know if you've got one of those phones where you can just say "number dial 9 1 1" and be on the line with dispatch.

Should you get into "hand to hand combat": Staying in your chair.....OK no brainer right? Now if they getting you out of yours do everything within your power to get THEM on the ground....WE know how to roll around on the ground....AB's haven't spent much time on the ground since they figured out how to walk (this is advice from a martial arts instructor).

EYES: Gouge the Hell out of them!

SKULL: USE IT! Use YOUR skull to hit the person in their face.....bop um in the nose! Use the top of your head to hit the underside of their jaw! Somebody grabs you from behind (if you don't have screws or plates or a fused neck & CAN that is);if they've got hair grab it with 1 hand, use that hand + the backward motion of your neck/head & bash their face as hard as humanly possible with your head (if you've got plates even better or worse?), & with the other hand try gouging at their eyes! SCRATCH their face & neck all to (harder to hide & explain away if it is OBVIOUS that couldn't have happened from some bushes & makes it easier for cops to identify......IF they're willing to go looking for your attacker)!

[Nicus]

tsh3406, on 06 May 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

One thing everyone (SCI or not) needs to keep in mind is that no matter what you choose to carry for self-defense, there is a good probability that it will be used against you. It may make you feel safer to have it, but if you are face to face with an attacker, will you really have time to get a good grip on a concealed weapon and get it out before that person gets hold of you? I am absolutely a proponent of constitutional carry and always have a .41 magnum with me, but also understand that for it to do me any good it has to be out and ready to fire well before a suspected attacker gets to me. If not, then it becomes a physical struggle and that's when people's weapons are used against them. That's why a lot of folks prefer something they can have in hand at any given time.

Thats a very good keypoint. My dad and his anckle holster is like flash gordon or somebody out a western film.

Thanks wheeliebear and everybody else. It's really good food for thought and good reassuring advice.

Like in this bollywood "movie" I admit he "is" a parra and he's got arms like logs but he can fight on the ground (with blue balls)ex airforce.
The concept stays the same use what you have on the ground.

Edited by Nicus, 07 May 2012 - 04:45 PM.

[MTB John]

I wish I was a bollyplegic..

[greybeard]

MTB John, on 07 May 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

I wish I was a bollyplegic..

You just fancy the bird in the blue dress.

[Tetracyclone]

MTB John, on 07 May 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

I wish I was a bollyplegic..

Agreed. The guy uses his legs a lot for leverage while on the ground, crawling along with knees fully engaged,,,Hey! He is Incomplete!

[D. Smith]

I carry a ruger lc9 9mm that I tuck into my waist band. Only complaint is it has a long trigger pull.

[Stand]

I think about this a lot and I wish there was something I could do. I would hate if I were ever to go out with my fiancé, someone do something and not be able to defend her. It worries me but there's really not too much I can do except hope that she could defend herself, which I believe she is fully capable of, or I could just run my mouth the best I know how. I'm pretty sure that would be fairly ineffective. Maybe someday I will be able to use my Glock 9mm again but that would take a lot. Until then I will just hope for peace!

[edlee]

Tetracyclone, on 07 May 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

MTB John, on 07 May 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

I wish I was a bollyplegic..

Agreed. The guy uses his legs a lot for leverage while on the ground, crawling along with knees fully engaged,,,Hey! He is Incomplete!

you noticed that, too??
ed

[wheeliebear75]

GUYS (AND us ladies)! There is nothing that says we can't just go to our nearest local dojo & ASK is there? Just knowing a few "soft spots" & I don't just mean a dude's nards neighter......there are things we can do (OK sure not as much as an AB) to defend ourselves. If anyone has doubts as to their abilities or lack there of....I suggest finding a Judo instructor (Judo uses the attacker's momentum against them).....AND (don't think of it as JUST "for girls") many police departments offer self defence classes often taught at a local YMCA and although are geared towards women.....I'm quite sure they'd make an exception for W/C guys (we've all got that same "TARGET" sign on us). Just an idea.

[edlee]

It's been said before,, but I think it bears repeating,,,, the best defence against attack is to stay aware of your surroundings, and avoid possible confrontations.

Anyone thinking that they might physically defend themselves needs to remember one thing,,, for every action, there is an equal and opposit reaction. Using something as simple as a wall, you can test how much pushing in any direction, affects you in your chair. You have a very limited set of vectors ( directions) through which the force you apply accomplishes much more than moving you in the opposite direction.

My point is that unless you can get your attacker to approach you from your chosen direction,,, rolling away as fast as you can while screaming like a little girl will be your best chance of avoiding a bad result. The screaming part may sound silly,, but people who want to attack you,, don't want others to know they are doing it,,, so get vocal on them.

We all like to think that we can protect ourselves,,,, but in truth,, even among ABs,,, it's unlikely. So,, to keep safe,,,, think "AVOID" and "LOUD"
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