19 replies to this topic

[Charlie-boi]

Getting abiy down lately as im voiding a fair bit when i dont usually at all.... and i realy realyyy ont want a leg bag. Im finding myself haveing to cath more to as i think im takeing in more fluid as training these days... And when ever i cath more i think this in turn for some reason weakens that barrier in the bladder makeing me void.
Another reason could be sex. as dont use protection with my gf. just wonderng if that could be with me getting small uti's hmmmm wat ever it is its not good.

are there any other options to a leg bag... like something small to go over the end for small leakes. I still never wet the bed. Its only transfers when im quite full!

[rattrap]

so did you need advice or did you just want to brag about your sex life?

[Charlie-boi]

rattrap, on 04 February 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

so did you need advice or did you just want to brag about your sex life?

cheeky buggar mason.... nooo the sex thing may have a lot to do with it.... and i had to state gf or it looks like im being a dirty slut lol

[Tetracyclone]

Charlie,

If you void right after sex there should be no problem with UTIs from that source.

[Charlie-boi]

Tetracyclone, on 04 February 2012 - 12:59 AM, said:

Charlie,

If you void right after sex there should be no problem with UTIs from that source.

no its been since ive been in a relationship... happens on transfers

[qbounce]

Transfers during the day, or night . . . or any old time?

maybe when you cath, your not completely voiding everything.
When the urine stops coming out, I lean forward causing the bladder to squeeze even more urine out, mind you tho, I don't push. Once that stops, I take the catheter out maybe one centimeter at first, until more comes, then another centimeter, and that usually completes it.

Sometimes it's totally voided after the initial cath, and other times it stops at one of the steps above, but using this ritual has always assured that my bladder is totally empty after cathing.

[brockit79]

eh C-Boy oy oy oy,

with these things you have to weigh up what is going to help you live the life you want. Yes cathing more will make you more exposed to bacteria as the catheter will irritate the bladder and be a foreign object BUT we have to do it. I know you try not to cath as often as I do but you may have to re-evaluate things; especially as you are drinking more now you are Super Charlie Charger.

The other thing to consider is that your bladder walls may be spasmodic, could be down to overfilling, UTI (get sample to doc to rule it out), neurogenic changes to the bladder wall. I take Oxybutiynin XL to relax the spasm in my bladder after holding off for nearly a year and it seems to be going OK but there are other drugs and botox which may help. I think your first step should be to get a urine sample to your GP.

I hope you get it sorted one way or another soon!

[xxm]

Charlie,

Some meds really relax the bladder sphincter and voiding without urge is possible.
I've experienced it with several drugs for high blood pressure.

You may need to stop medication for several days.

Rudy

[Apparelyzed]

Hi,

Bladder function does change over time, but if this change is quite sudden, then it may be worth getting checked out by your doctor.

You could have something irritating your bladder, either a bladder stone or infection. It could be due to spasticity, which can be controlled by drugs such as Tolterodine or Oxybutiynin.

Either way, you really need to see a doctor, or if possible, get to your spinal centre and get checked out by someone who really knows about SCI urology.

Simon

[Charlie-boi]

Apparelyzed, on 04 February 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Hi,

Bladder function does change over time, but if this change is quite sudden, then it may be worth getting checked out by your doctor.

You could have something irritating your bladder, either a bladder stone or infection. It could be due to spasticity, which can be controlled by drugs such as Tolterodine or Oxybutiynin.

Either way, you really need to see a doctor, or if possible, get to your spinal centre and get checked out by someone who really knows about SCI urology.

Simon

Thanks for the responses guys

As a rule of thum they usually shrink and become more flacid right??

Ive recently just moved so i still need to get registerred with a gp but im going to moniter it for another week before sci going to the dreaded sci unit.


.... im cathing everything out for sure... and when i do go they are large volumes. Im not sure on the amount as i do straingth into toilet but i would say 6-800ml.

The only other thing i can attribute it to is... ive started haveing baths not showers.

I also have no spasrticity and dont think them drugs would work.
welll i know the ''oxy'' one doesnt...

also feel realy quite ill every morning i wake... im not sure if this is due to bit of a tramededol need i have but right after passing urine and throwing a couple tramedols down i feel much better?

[ajl338]

have a look at http://www.drugs.com...de-effects.html, about 2/3 down the page,
Genitourinary

Genitourinary side effects including urinary retention and urinary frequency have been reported in less than 5% of treated patients.


tramodol is not something you want to be taking longterm, it gets to the point where your body craves it which means you feel rubbish without. Its not the most effective thing for nerve pain and there are other options for sleeping (just my thoughts)

[A trophy guy]

Charlie-boi, on 07 February 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

Apparelyzed, on 04 February 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

also feel realy quite ill every morning i wake... im not sure if this is due to bit of a tramededol need i have but right after passing urine and throwing a couple tramedols down i feel much better?

How long have you been taking the tramadol? I ask because this sickness you are describing, along with the feeling better after taking tramadol, could be an indication of a physical dependency on the drug. Tramadol is addictive; don't let any doctor or medical literature tell you otherwise. This doesn't mean you need to necessarily stop taking the drug (I use it myself) but definitely be conscious of the addictive potential of it.

[Charlie-boi]

A trophy guy, on 09 February 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

Charlie-boi, on 07 February 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

Apparelyzed, on 04 February 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

also feel realy quite ill every morning i wake... im not sure if this is due to bit of a tramededol need i have but right after passing urine and throwing a couple tramedols down i feel much better?

How long have you been taking the tramadol? I ask because this sickness you are describing, along with the feeling better after taking tramadol, could be an indication of a physical dependency on the drug. Tramadol is addictive; don't let any doctor or medical literature tell you otherwise. This doesn't mean you need to necessarily stop taking the drug (I use it myself) but definitely be conscious of the addictive potential of it.

been takeing tramedol from day 1... so like over a year. I usually take 4-6 a day but do my best to keep it at 2 every 12 hours. How much do you take. I feel the effects of mine within a hour. They lift my mood and also allow me to get comfortable. just ffel realy off and restless without them.... so yeh its sounding like there being addictive....

[A trophy guy]

Charlie-boi, on 12 February 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

A trophy guy, on 09 February 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

Charlie-boi, on 07 February 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

Apparelyzed, on 04 February 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

also feel realy quite ill every morning i wake... im not sure if this is due to bit of a tramededol need i have but right after passing urine and throwing a couple tramedols down i feel much better?

How long have you been taking the tramadol? I ask because this sickness you are describing, along with the feeling better after taking tramadol, could be an indication of a physical dependency on the drug. Tramadol is addictive; don't let any doctor or medical literature tell you otherwise. This doesn't mean you need to necessarily stop taking the drug (I use it myself) but definitely be conscious of the addictive potential of it.

been takeing tramedol from day 1... so like over a year. I usually take 4-6 a day but do my best to keep it at 2 every 12 hours. How much do you take. I feel the effects of mine within a hour. They lift my mood and also allow me to get comfortable. just ffel realy off and restless without them.... so yeh its sounding like there being addictive....

So do you take them for pain or simply to alleviate the sickness and restlessness you feel without them? I have had a long, winding road with tramadol; it can be an insidious monster if you let it.

When Tramadol was first introduced to the market (and really for decades after), it was trumpeted as a breakthrough medication; a non-narcotic analgesic which didn't pose any risk for addiction yet successfully tackled many chronic pain issues. Even drug addicts themselves, upon entering rehab, were prescribed this medication in order to "help" with withdrawals.

When I started having severe problems with my rotator cuffs, I was prescribed Tramadol by my old physiatrist. And she was extremely liberal with this medication; as she saw it as basically safe, no potential for abuse or addiction. I had more Tramadol than I ever knew what to do with. This was more than 9 years ago.

And I took the medication, as prescribed, because I was told it was non-narcotic and safe. And it was VERY effective. Not only on my shoulder pain but especially for headaches, I found. I even began giving some to my girlfriend, who had bad headaches. I thought this was innocent enough, I mean this was good headache medicine and it wasn't anything to get f*@ked up on. It wasn't even narcotic.


Well, slowly my girlfriend began asking me for more and more Tramadol. At first I thought nothing of it; and neither did she. However, after the months began to creep by and she was taking it regularly (without any headaches or real need for it) we both realized she was addicted to it. And the real surprise, to both of us, was that I ultimately realized that I was dependent on the drug as well.

Coming off of Tramadol cold turkey is HELL ON EARTH. At least when you have been taking it regularly for a long period of time (every day). It's like heroin. Honestly. Diarrhea, cold shakes, restless legs (the worst part, IMO), inability to eat or sleep, plus real terrible depression. This is because Tramadol is a unique painkiller. It is basically an opiate and and SSRI (antidepressant). So it not only numbs the pain but it lifts your mood by raising serotonin levels. It's a bitch.

But I still use Tramadol today. Just not everyday. I use it judiciously for sex. Because as dangerous as Tramadol is, it truly has been a blessing in my life. I guess "blessed but cursed" even applies to tramadol in my life as well lol. But after what I went through those years before coming off of the drug, I make SURE that I never get into the habit of taking the drug for days at a time. And since I don't have sex everyday (LMAO) I don't take Tramadol everyday. Sometimes it's weeks between doses. Also, I sometimes use it when my rotator-cuff injuries get inflamed but my shoulders are much better than they were years ago.

I just really don't want others to go through the hell of Tramadol withdrawal when it comes time to get off this dangerous medication. Research the medication and find out everything you can on your own. Don't just listen to what your doctor tells you because sometimes they honestly don't know.

[Charlie-boi]

A trophy guy, on 12 February 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Charlie-boi, on 12 February 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

A trophy guy, on 09 February 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

Charlie-boi, on 07 February 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

Apparelyzed, on 04 February 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

also feel realy quite ill every morning i wake... im not sure if this is due to bit of a tramededol need i have but right after passing urine and throwing a couple tramedols down i feel much better?

How long have you been taking the tramadol? I ask because this sickness you are describing, along with the feeling better after taking tramadol, could be an indication of a physical dependency on the drug. Tramadol is addictive; don't let any doctor or medical literature tell you otherwise. This doesn't mean you need to necessarily stop taking the drug (I use it myself) but definitely be conscious of the addictive potential of it.

been takeing tramedol from day 1... so like over a year. I usually take 4-6 a day but do my best to keep it at 2 every 12 hours. How much do you take. I feel the effects of mine within a hour. They lift my mood and also allow me to get comfortable. just ffel realy off and restless without them.... so yeh its sounding like there being addictive....

So do you take them for pain or simply to alleviate the sickness and restlessness you feel without them? I have had a long, winding road with tramadol; it can be an insidious monster if you let it.

When Tramadol was first introduced to the market (and really for decades after), it was trumpeted as a breakthrough medication; a non-narcotic analgesic which didn't pose any risk for addiction yet successfully tackled many chronic pain issues. Even drug addicts themselves, upon entering rehab, were prescribed this medication in order to "help" with withdrawals.

When I started having severe problems with my rotator cuffs, I was prescribed Tramadol by my old physiatrist. And she was extremely liberal with this medication; as she saw it as basically safe, no potential for abuse or addiction. I had more Tramadol than I ever knew what to do with. This was more than 9 years ago.

And I took the medication, as prescribed, because I was told it was non-narcotic and safe. And it was VERY effective. Not only on my shoulder pain but especially for headaches, I found. I even began giving some to my girlfriend, who had bad headaches. I thought this was innocent enough, I mean this was good headache medicine and it wasn't anything to get f*@ked up on. It wasn't even narcotic.


Well, slowly my girlfriend began asking me for more and more Tramadol. At first I thought nothing of it; and neither did she. However, after the months began to creep by and she was taking it regularly (without any headaches or real need for it) we both realized she was addicted to it. And the real surprise, to both of us, was that I ultimately realized that I was dependent on the drug as well.

Coming off of Tramadol cold turkey is HELL ON EARTH. At least when you have been taking it regularly for a long period of time (every day). It's like heroin. Honestly. Diarrhea, cold shakes, restless legs (the worst part, IMO), inability to eat or sleep, plus real terrible depression. This is because Tramadol is a unique painkiller. It is basically an opiate and and SSRI (antidepressant). So it not only numbs the pain but it lifts your mood by raising serotonin levels. It's a bitch.

But I still use Tramadol today. Just not everyday. I use it judiciously for sex. Because as dangerous as Tramadol is, it truly has been a blessing in my life. I guess "blessed but cursed" even applies to tramadol in my life as well lol. But after what I went through those years before coming off of the drug, I make SURE that I never get into the habit of taking the drug for days at a time. And since I don't have sex everyday (LMAO) I don't take Tramadol everyday. Sometimes it's weeks between doses. Also, I sometimes use it when my rotator-cuff injuries get inflamed but my shoulders are much better than they were years ago.

I just really don't want others to go through the hell of Tramadol withdrawal when it comes time to get off this dangerous medication. Research the medication and find out everything you can on your own. Don't just listen to what your doctor tells you because sometimes they honestly don't know.

I can see your point. I take it now yes more for mood etc rather than pain. I cant do a day with out the stuff.... gunna have to figuer this one out. One of my friends also kept asking me for pill upon pill to pack to pack purely for its effect on your mood. Cold turkey will be horrible. Its simply the reslessness like i need to move or get up and run. You cant sleep it off properly either...... I WOULD RATHER a hot turkey turkey lol

[A trophy guy]

Charlie-boi, on 12 February 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

A trophy guy, on 12 February 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Charlie-boi, on 12 February 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

A trophy guy, on 09 February 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

Charlie-boi, on 07 February 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

Apparelyzed, on 04 February 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

also feel realy quite ill every morning i wake... im not sure if this is due to bit of a tramededol need i have but right after passing urine and throwing a couple tramedols down i feel much better?

How long have you been taking the tramadol? I ask because this sickness you are describing, along with the feeling better after taking tramadol, could be an indication of a physical dependency on the drug. Tramadol is addictive; don't let any doctor or medical literature tell you otherwise. This doesn't mean you need to necessarily stop taking the drug (I use it myself) but definitely be conscious of the addictive potential of it.

been takeing tramedol from day 1... so like over a year. I usually take 4-6 a day but do my best to keep it at 2 every 12 hours. How much do you take. I feel the effects of mine within a hour. They lift my mood and also allow me to get comfortable. just ffel realy off and restless without them.... so yeh its sounding like there being addictive....

So do you take them for pain or simply to alleviate the sickness and restlessness you feel without them? I have had a long, winding road with tramadol; it can be an insidious monster if you let it.

When Tramadol was first introduced to the market (and really for decades after), it was trumpeted as a breakthrough medication; a non-narcotic analgesic which didn't pose any risk for addiction yet successfully tackled many chronic pain issues. Even drug addicts themselves, upon entering rehab, were prescribed this medication in order to "help" with withdrawals.

When I started having severe problems with my rotator cuffs, I was prescribed Tramadol by my old physiatrist. And she was extremely liberal with this medication; as she saw it as basically safe, no potential for abuse or addiction. I had more Tramadol than I ever knew what to do with. This was more than 9 years ago.

And I took the medication, as prescribed, because I was told it was non-narcotic and safe. And it was VERY effective. Not only on my shoulder pain but especially for headaches, I found. I even began giving some to my girlfriend, who had bad headaches. I thought this was innocent enough, I mean this was good headache medicine and it wasn't anything to get f*@ked up on. It wasn't even narcotic.


Well, slowly my girlfriend began asking me for more and more Tramadol. At first I thought nothing of it; and neither did she. However, after the months began to creep by and she was taking it regularly (without any headaches or real need for it) we both realized she was addicted to it. And the real surprise, to both of us, was that I ultimately realized that I was dependent on the drug as well.

Coming off of Tramadol cold turkey is HELL ON EARTH. At least when you have been taking it regularly for a long period of time (every day). It's like heroin. Honestly. Diarrhea, cold shakes, restless legs (the worst part, IMO), inability to eat or sleep, plus real terrible depression. This is because Tramadol is a unique painkiller. It is basically an opiate and and SSRI (antidepressant). So it not only numbs the pain but it lifts your mood by raising serotonin levels. It's a bitch.

But I still use Tramadol today. Just not everyday. I use it judiciously for sex. Because as dangerous as Tramadol is, it truly has been a blessing in my life. I guess "blessed but cursed" even applies to tramadol in my life as well lol. But after what I went through those years before coming off of the drug, I make SURE that I never get into the habit of taking the drug for days at a time. And since I don't have sex everyday (LMAO) I don't take Tramadol everyday. Sometimes it's weeks between doses. Also, I sometimes use it when my rotator-cuff injuries get inflamed but my shoulders are much better than they were years ago.

I just really don't want others to go through the hell of Tramadol withdrawal when it comes time to get off this dangerous medication. Research the medication and find out everything you can on your own. Don't just listen to what your doctor tells you because sometimes they honestly don't know.

I can see your point. I take it now yes more for mood etc rather than pain. I cant do a day with out the stuff.... gunna have to figuer this one out. One of my friends also kept asking me for pill upon pill to pack to pack purely for its effect on your mood. Cold turkey will be horrible. Its simply the reslessness like i need to move or get up and run. You cant sleep it off properly either...... I WOULD RATHER a hot turkey turkey lol

If you do decide that you want to try coming off the medication on your own, do NOT simply attempt to abruptly stop all dosages all at once. Rather you should slowly titrate you dosage down, and I emphasize SLOWLY. If you are taking 300mg (total) a day, I would begin with a dose of 275 mg a day (break or cut one of the pills in half), and each day thereafter reduce your total dosage by 25mg/day. I've even heard it recommended that the titration be done slower and more precise than that, but that would require some very careful pill-carving; so I recommend this plan first. Of course, this is offered for when you decide that you need to do something. I'm not suggesting you need to go out and do this today.

[A trophy guy]

Charlie-boi, on 12 February 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

A trophy guy, on 12 February 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Charlie-boi, on 12 February 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

A trophy guy, on 09 February 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

Charlie-boi, on 07 February 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

Apparelyzed, on 04 February 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

also feel realy quite ill every morning i wake... im not sure if this is due to bit of a tramededol need i have but right after passing urine and throwing a couple tramedols down i feel much better?

How long have you been taking the tramadol? I ask because this sickness you are describing, along with the feeling better after taking tramadol, could be an indication of a physical dependency on the drug. Tramadol is addictive; don't let any doctor or medical literature tell you otherwise. This doesn't mean you need to necessarily stop taking the drug (I use it myself) but definitely be conscious of the addictive potential of it.

been takeing tramedol from day 1... so like over a year. I usually take 4-6 a day but do my best to keep it at 2 every 12 hours. How much do you take. I feel the effects of mine within a hour. They lift my mood and also allow me to get comfortable. just ffel realy off and restless without them.... so yeh its sounding like there being addictive....

So do you take them for pain or simply to alleviate the sickness and restlessness you feel without them? I have had a long, winding road with tramadol; it can be an insidious monster if you let it.

When Tramadol was first introduced to the market (and really for decades after), it was trumpeted as a breakthrough medication; a non-narcotic analgesic which didn't pose any risk for addiction yet successfully tackled many chronic pain issues. Even drug addicts themselves, upon entering rehab, were prescribed this medication in order to "help" with withdrawals.

When I started having severe problems with my rotator cuffs, I was prescribed Tramadol by my old physiatrist. And she was extremely liberal with this medication; as she saw it as basically safe, no potential for abuse or addiction. I had more Tramadol than I ever knew what to do with. This was more than 9 years ago.

And I took the medication, as prescribed, because I was told it was non-narcotic and safe. And it was VERY effective. Not only on my shoulder pain but especially for headaches, I found. I even began giving some to my girlfriend, who had bad headaches. I thought this was innocent enough, I mean this was good headache medicine and it wasn't anything to get f*@ked up on. It wasn't even narcotic.


Well, slowly my girlfriend began asking me for more and more Tramadol. At first I thought nothing of it; and neither did she. However, after the months began to creep by and she was taking it regularly (without any headaches or real need for it) we both realized she was addicted to it. And the real surprise, to both of us, was that I ultimately realized that I was dependent on the drug as well.

Coming off of Tramadol cold turkey is HELL ON EARTH. At least when you have been taking it regularly for a long period of time (every day). It's like heroin. Honestly. Diarrhea, cold shakes, restless legs (the worst part, IMO), inability to eat or sleep, plus real terrible depression. This is because Tramadol is a unique painkiller. It is basically an opiate and and SSRI (antidepressant). So it not only numbs the pain but it lifts your mood by raising serotonin levels. It's a bitch.

But I still use Tramadol today. Just not everyday. I use it judiciously for sex. Because as dangerous as Tramadol is, it truly has been a blessing in my life. I guess "blessed but cursed" even applies to tramadol in my life as well lol. But after what I went through those years before coming off of the drug, I make SURE that I never get into the habit of taking the drug for days at a time. And since I don't have sex everyday (LMAO) I don't take Tramadol everyday. Sometimes it's weeks between doses. Also, I sometimes use it when my rotator-cuff injuries get inflamed but my shoulders are much better than they were years ago.

I just really don't want others to go through the hell of Tramadol withdrawal when it comes time to get off this dangerous medication. Research the medication and find out everything you can on your own. Don't just listen to what your doctor tells you because sometimes they honestly don't know.

I can see your point. I take it now yes more for mood etc rather than pain. I cant do a day with out the stuff.... gunna have to figuer this one out. One of my friends also kept asking me for pill upon pill to pack to pack purely for its effect on your mood. Cold turkey will be horrible. Its simply the reslessness like i need to move or get up and run. You cant sleep it off properly either...... I WOULD RATHER a hot turkey turkey lol

http://www.tramadola...ted-to-tramadol

[brockit79]

just going to pipe up: A SCI friend of mine in my home town stopped his meds abruptly and had a seizure; ended up in hospital. Please don't just stop your meds, as A Trophy Guy said above
K

[Charlie-boi]

brockit79, on 14 February 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

just going to pipe up: A SCI friend of mine in my home town stopped his meds abruptly and had a seizure; ended up in hospital. Please don't just stop your meds, as A Trophy Guy said above
K

when i came out of hospital i stoped everything abrubtly,,,, anti depressents tramedal and wowww i got hit big time... Feeling ill uncomfrortable. hot sweaty, crying, rages came pretty close to wanting to end things...

Then i realised my bodies not the same as it was and simply cant just readjust and kind of cure itself to deal with a brocken back with out meds.

I started takeing them again, well just the tramedol but i have felt the full blown cold turkey. just horrid

[brockit79]

Charlie-boi, on 15 February 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

brockit79, on 14 February 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

just going to pipe up: A SCI friend of mine in my home town stopped his meds abruptly and had a seizure; ended up in hospital. Please don't just stop your meds, as A Trophy Guy said above
K

when i came out of hospital i stoped everything abrubtly,,,, anti depressents tramedal and wowww i got hit big time... Feeling ill uncomfrortable. hot sweaty, crying, rages came pretty close to wanting to end things...

Then i realised my bodies not the same as it was and simply cant just readjust and kind of cure itself to deal with a brocken back with out meds.

I started takeing them again, well just the tramedol but i have felt the full blown cold turkey. just horrid

when I was in Os they suggested that I cut my dose of pregabalin and amitriptyline, this was after I spent 3 weeks getting off morphine, which seemed easy in comparison, and boy oh boy it hit me like a tonne of bricks. I last tried reducing the dose of amitriptyline Oct11. I just have to accept that I do need something right now but when I get in training properly I will hopefully come off all drugs. I hate being dependent on them :/