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[Millard]

I went to my urologist yesterday and he asked if I was still using Microsyn. He thinks I have stumbled into something good in using Microsyn and he wants to investigate its use further. I have now been uti free for the last 18 months. I use it three days per week and is worth every penny.

I hope this helps.

[Tetracyclone]

Millard,
We must have started with Microcyn nearly the same day. Not only have I been UTI free, but sediment cleared up after about 14 months.. I too settled on a 3/week schedule.

[saultite]

My husband has been plagued with UTI for months. He is almost finished a 3 week course of Cipro. I dont think the antibiotics are working. He was on levoquin before that. I tried to find where to buy Microcyn online and vet suppy sites keep popping up. Where do you get your supply from?

[Tetracyclone]

My husband has been plagued with UTI for months. He is almost finished a 3 week course of Cipro. I dont think the antibiotics are working. He was on levoquin before that. I tried to find where to buy Microcyn online and vet suppy sites keep popping up. Where do you get your supply from?

i let amazon search prices for me of Vetericyn. It is the same product but twice as strong. I mix with irrigation saline solution. I do not know about shipping to Canada but if you search "Vetericyn, Canada" either here or on the Cure Care forums, you will find som3 advice.

[Millard]

My husband has been plagued with UTI for months. He is almost finished a 3 week course of Cipro. I dont think the antibiotics are working. He was on levoquin before that. I tried to find where to buy Microcyn online and vet suppy sites keep popping up. Where do you get your supply from?

I purchase mine from http://medi-vet.com/ I order 4 bottles of the 16 oz. (480 ml) Vetericyn VF. With this order, shipping is free.

Good luck.

[Timothy Barrington Haynes]

Hi 

 

I was hoping someone in this thread might have some information regarding if they know of anybody who has purchased and shipped Vetericyn VF Gel to Australia. 

 

I have checked out the Medi-Vet site. And taken a look at the Vetercyn VF Gel. Which i understand is the one to use? Is this the case and if so how do you guys use it so effectively. I was considering leaving the Catheter imursed in the Gel. So it acts as both a sterilization tool and as lube when inserting the Catheter.

 

I see you Guys say you only use it 3 times a week, in what context is this? Or do you use it as a "Bladder" flush by diluting the gel etc.

 

I look forward to hearing back from you on this.

 

Many Thanks, Tim 

 

 

 

[jbridges9]

Hi 

 

I was hoping someone in this thread might have some information regarding if they know of anybody who has purchased and shipped Vetericyn VF Gel to Australia. 

 

I have checked out the Medi-Vet site. And taken a look at the Vetercyn VF Gel. Which i understand is the one to use? Is this the case and if so how do you guys use it so effectively. I was considering leaving the Catheter imursed in the Gel. So it acts as both a sterilization tool and as lube when inserting the Catheter.

 

I see you Guys say you only use it 3 times a week, in what context is this? Or do you use it as a "Bladder" flush by diluting the gel etc.

 

I look forward to hearing back from you on this.

 

Many Thanks, Tim 

Hi Tim,

 

This is the one you want: http://www.medi-vet....16_oz-4519.aspx

 

Some have reported using the gel as a catheter lubricant but most just use it as a bladder flush. You use a piston syringe and insert it into the funnel end of the catheter and instill the VVF. Remove the catheter with the syringe still in place. You may need to work with the time that you hold it in your bladder. It can cause some to get AD if held too long, for me it gave me bowel accidents if I held it too long (accident was usually the next day)

 

I'd suggest 10 minutes to start then work your way up. I hold it for up to 2 hours now.

 

Thanks

[Timothy Barrington Haynes]

Hi

 

Thanks for you quick reply, what i should also ask if you don't mind telling me the amount of VVF that you use for "Bladder Flush"

 

That will be very helpful thank you. Just need to find a viable way to get it shipped to Australia now.

 

Cheers, Tim  

[Tetracyclone]

Tim-  Go here and read until you go blind:

 

http://sci.rutgers.e...ad.php?t=133414

 

Do NOT use the gel except as a lube.  You need a lot more information and you will find many people's experiences and techniques on the above thread.  Amount varies from 30 to 60 ml.  Please inform yourself before experimenting with this treatment.  I had to increase to daily usage.

[NancyE]

I waded thru as much as I could of the care cure thread? I use a foley...been in septic shock, go from UTI to UTI . Anyone here with a foley flushing with microcyn? I would have to sneak and do it, since its not recognized....don't care, I have an amazon account and good manual dexterity.

[Timothy Barrington Haynes]

Hi Super A

 

Thank you for your concern, It is appreciated. But please don't over react. I have no intention of jumping into this treatment. Already done heaps of research, and been on CC forum until i got kicked of for posting to many posts about pain relief. They said i was spamming, Please!!!!!

 

I don't want to sound arrogant to you but after now 30 years of mainly using "Alternative Stuff" to stay in good health.Which has and does give me a goo "foundation" to work from. So everything new i try i am able to evaluate regarding positive stuff, adverse reactions, etc. And i will be doing exactly this step by step with the "V"  

 

Cheers, Tim 

[Millard]

Hello Tim,

 

I tried many different amounts of instillation's but finally came up with the number 20 ml.  I tried more and less but 20 ml 3 times per week was the least amount that proved to be deadly to uti causing bacteria.  When I tried less, everything turned cloudy and I immediately increased the amount.  I have been some 30 months now uti free and keep at least one spare bottle so I don't run out.

 

I tried the gel (accidentally) and I had the same uti preventing results.  However, I did find the gel more user friendly when I was treating a pressure ulcer.  Many people also use the gel as a catheter lubricant with great success.  I instilled the gel with absolutely no negative results.

 

I hope this helps.

[Tetracyclone]

I waded thru as much as I could of the care cure thread? I use a foley...been in septic shock, go from UTI to UTI . Anyone here with a foley flushing with microcyn? I would have to sneak and do it, since its not recognized....don't care, I have an amazon account and good manual dexterity.

There are posts from foley users on the CC thread.   I do not remember exact procedure, but having been in nursing homes, and knowing the box of stuff necessary to keep around, I am a bit skeptical that you could keep this private.  But that is me and you know more.  Do you want help finding the right pages at CC?

 

Millard-  I got in trouble (a UTI in November) and had to shift to daily installations.

Edited by Tetracyclone, 05 March 2013 - 12:16 AM.

[flpara]

Hi All,

Something else to consider is d-mannose. I recently sucessfully treated my UTI using this alone, and am now taking a daily maintenance dose. It is sold as a health suppliment under various brands, some pure, some formulated with other stuff. I used double dose for 5 days (500mg 4 times daily), i am now taking 500mg twice daily, and no recurrence yet - although it's only been two weeks.

From what I have read it only works against e-coli (which accounts for >90% of uti's), and it doesn't actually kill the bacteria, but instead interferes with the bacteria's ability to latch on to tissue, causing them to be flushed out. It is a naturally occuring form of sugar that is not metabolized by the body, and seems to be otherwise harmless (from what I have read). Hope this helps.

[Timothy Barrington Haynes]

Hi Millard

 

Thank you so much for your reply. I remember you on the CC forum. Of which i have had direct contact with Wiseyoung regarding getting kicked off for spamming. He apolijized and explained that a spammer had deleted my posts etc. Anyway he reinstated my account and i am now "Unbanned" 

 

Before i quiz you more on VFF. I went through all the info on CC regarding Microcyn and Vetricyn etc. And was only able to find old post around 2010 written mainly by Lelia and Bob! Which i had already read many times. Before i was kicked of!!!

 

I was hoping to find up to date posts especially on shipping the stuff over seas here to OZ land....

 

Which prompts my first question. 

 

Does VFF & Microcyn require refrigeration in shipping?

 

My intention was to use the Gel as a lubricant for my self cath regime 

 

I would definatley like to use one of the products as a flush 

But i also I see you have had success with "Bladder Flushing" using the Gel.

 

Even though the preferred method seems to be using the solution

for bladder flushes. Which solution is the one most use?

 

How long do you normally leave the solution in your bladder for. And

do you do any movements to make sure all of the bladder is well flushed???

 

I have got onto Amazon as Medi-Vet has not replied to my email (s) regarding

shipment to OZ. Here is the link to the product.  http://ecx.images-am...C-L._SY355_.jpg

 

Is this the correct product that you use. As the description between med-vet and 

Amazon differs enough to cause a little confusion.

 

Well that should do for now, i really appreciate your time with this. So look forward to hearing back from you soon.

 

Most Sincerly, Tim  

[Tetracyclone]

Hi Millard

 

Thank you so much for your reply. I remember you on the CC forum. Of which i have had direct contact with Wiseyoung regarding getting kicked off for spamming. He apolijized and explained that a spammer had deleted my posts etc. Anyway he reinstated my account and i am now "Unbanned" 

 

Before i quiz you more on VFF. I went through all the info on CC regarding Microcyn and Vetricyn etc. And was only able to find old post around 2010 written mainly by Lelia and Bob! Which i had already read many times. Before i was kicked of!!!

 

I was hoping to find up to date posts especially on shipping the stuff over seas here to OZ land....

 

Which prompts my first question. 

 

Does VFF & Microcyn require refrigeration in shipping?

 

My intention was to use the Gel as a lubricant for my self cath regime 

 

I would definatley like to use one of the products as a flush 

But i also I see you have had success with "Bladder Flushing" using the Gel.

 

Even though the preferred method seems to be using the solution

for bladder flushes. Which solution is the one most use?

 

How long do you normally leave the solution in your bladder for. And

do you do any movements to make sure all of the bladder is well flushed???

 

I have got onto Amazon as Medi-Vet has not replied to my email (s) regarding

shipment to OZ. Here is the link to the product.  http://ecx.images-am...C-L._SY355_.jpg

 

Is this the correct product that you use. As the description between med-vet and 

Amazon differs enough to cause a little confusion.

 

Well that should do for now, i really appreciate your time with this. So look forward to hearing back from you soon.

 

Most Sincerly, Tim  

Tim, Not Millard, but may be helpful.  The product does not require refrigeration but may be damaged by freezing.  The gel is simply awkward to use for flushing because it is so viscous.  The liquid moves better through a catheter.

 

People leave the solution in anywhere from 3-5 minutes up to leaving it in until the next cathing.  It depends on whether or not the treatment interferes with your digestion.  Many people suggest moving around to get the solution into all areas of the bladder.  i do the installation on the commode and massage the abdomen during my 5 minute process.  Also read a good mag.

 

On CC I put "vetericyn to New Zealand in the search box that appears when you click search alond the light blue menu bar toward the top of the page.  Nothing.  when I put in "Vetericyn to Australia " some posts came up.   I suggest you contact those posters for advice.  I recall seeing a post about shipping from Singapore, but cannot find it right now.  

 

Another search on google turned up this link:

 

http://www.sheepdogh...ng.com/shipping

 

at the bottom of the page is an e mail address where they suggest customers inquire about international shipments.  

 

Lastly there are many vendors on eBay, where I usually buy Vetericyn VF (stronger solution, thus cheaper, which i mix 1/1 with saline solution) and you can search and inquire to see if any ship internationally.  It is tedious, but you will likely turn up something.

 

Last idea is to call a local Veterinarian and ask if the product is sold in OZ.  

 

Best of luck. 

[Millard]

Hi Tim,

 

Tetra pretty well said everything I would/could say about VVF.  As Tetra recommended, contact a veterinarian.  I have seen post from other countries and this is the easiest way they found it.

 

Good luck my friend.

 

PS:  Thanks Tetra.  I am starting to like you pretty good!

[jbridges9]

I waded thru as much as I could of the care cure thread? I use a foley...been in septic shock, go from UTI to UTI . Anyone here with a foley flushing with microcyn? I would have to sneak and do it, since its not recognized....don't care, I have an amazon account and good manual dexterity.

Nancy,

 

You've probably discussed this elsewhere but while not switch to Intermittent Cath.. the closed system?

[Timothy Barrington Haynes]

Ok Guys Once again thanks for your quick and helpful replies. 

 

I think i have it now. The way i will go is use the Gel for Cath Lube, and Solution for Bladder wash. (VF dileted with saline) I may Also i can experiment with the Gel as was per Millard, as he did say even though he discovered by accident it worked fine.

 

I already checked out local Vets they will not import / use until Aus Gov approved!!!

 

I have seen the product (s) for sale on Amazon, but will check out ebay and take it from there. When i find what i think is the right stuff if you don't mind i will post the links of the actual product so you guys can say "Yep that's the one" I do this as i found some discrempency say from Medi-vet to Amazon in there bottle display and product description.

 

The good news is that it does not need refrigerating when being shipped. I remember when i first was on the CC forum this was the big Issue. I do no as you said it must not be frozen....

 

Thank you all for your help, Cheers to you and all the Best, Tim 

[Tetracyclone]

  http://www.ebay.com/...=item27d04521ba

 

and

 

Millard et al, is this the right gel?

http://www.ebay.com/...=item35c4f8d64f

[Millard]

  http://www.ebay.com/...=item27d04521ba

 

and

 

Millard et al, is this the right gel?

http://www.ebay.com/...=item35c4f8d64f

Almost.  Pictured is Vetericyn Hydrogel and I use the Vetericyn VF Hydrogel.  The VF cost a little more but has twice the potency,  You can dilute the VF with saline if necessary.

 

 

I hope this helps.

[jbridges9]

I have a large bladder capacity, so I've been using 60cc of Vetericyn VF 3x/week. I usually leave it for 90 min-1hours before removing. Does this sound OK?

 

Jason

[Tetracyclone]

I have a large bladder capacity, so I've been using 60cc of Vetericyn VF 3x/week. I usually leave it for 90 min-1hours before removing. Does this sound OK?

 

Jason

The only risk I know is to your digestion as those little molecules pass through the bladder wall like ants and can kill off good bacteria in the intestines.  If you have no problem with bowel program then don't worry.   How long have you been doing this and at what frequency?  Have you seen a decrease in your symptoms?

[jbridges9]

I had bowel oroblems when I was leaving it til next I cath. I scaled back and tried 15 minutes then went up from there.

No decrease in my other sx I reported so it musnt be a UTI. I've been doing this for 2 weeks.

Could I use less solution?

[Tetracyclone]

I had bowel oroblems when I was leaving it til next I cath. I scaled back and tried 15 minutes then went up from there.

No decrease in my other sx I reported so it musnt be a UTI. I've been doing this for 2 weeks.

Could I use less solution?

probably.  It is difficult to decide w/o symptoms to guide.

[aggzy]

hey everyone

 

this is just another option for clearing sediment and stopping uti's

 

I have always had a problem with sedimet blocking my supra pubic resulting in emergency changes

 

if you have to alternate from urals ( http://www.virtualme...drugs/ural/3094 ) which lower the ph in your urine to 500mgs vitamin C which hakes your urine more acidic bacteria can't get used to the ph changing all the time.

 

you have 1 ural every night for 3 weeks then switch to 1 500mg vitamin C for 3 weeks just keep this up to be sediment uti free

 

Ag's

Edited by aggzy, 07 March 2013 - 09:25 PM.

[StevenC]

Just to be clear, is this the stuff we're talking about?

http://www.amazon.co...words=vetericyn

Thanks!

[Tetracyclone]

Just to be clear, is this the stuff we're talking about?

http://www.amazon.co...words=vetericyn

Thanks!

The verericyn VF is twice as concentrated, therefore cheaper.  You can dilute it with saline solution.

 

http://www.amazon.co...ds=vetericyn vf

[StevenC]

Thanks Tetra.

Sorry if I missed this, but can you point me to the procedure to irrigate my bladder with this? I don't have an indwelling, so I'd be doing it via straight cath.

[deltakilo]

Thanks Tetra.

Sorry if I missed this, but can you point me to the procedure to irrigate my bladder with this? I don't have an indwelling, so I'd be doing it via straight cath.

Try this forum Steven, 150 pages of good info. I started reading several days ago but then jumped to p100 onward. Everyone has slightly different procedures:

http://sci.rutgers.e...ad.php?t=133414