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#1 Tinbasher

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 11:22 PM

A copy of my letter to the above hotel....

The website informed us that the hotel had “three rooms with accessibility standards” and subsequently we booked a wheelchair accessible room for two nights.

On arrival we checked in and were sent to our accessible room (Room 225) it was at this point that the problems arose. It was clear that a great deal of work had been done to the room to make it accessible. It had a huge en suite bathroom of about 4.5 metres square with all the adaptations a wheelchair user could require. It had a door to the bathroom which was 900mm wide and in line with the Scottish Tourist Boards top access category, a room with plenty of space to manoeuvre, an emergency call system in case of problems, an accessible wardrobe and shelving. In all one of the better accessible rooms we have stayed in. This was all very puzzling to us as the access to the room itself was via a door of only 675mm actual width and 550mm useable width which meant that I was in fact unable to enter the room. This falls well below any standard for wheelchair access and is nowhere near to the requirement in the Building Regulations: Technical Standards Building Standards (Scotland) Regulations 1990 (Part S) and its subsequent amendments which requires a minimum useable door width of 750mm to ensure access.

On speaking to a member of staff we were told that “there had never been any problems with this room” but she would attempt to find us alternative accommodation. She returned later with an offer of your sister hotel in Glasgow on the other side of the river. This was not a suitable alternative for us as we had especially chosen the location at Glasgow Airport.

I was then left with no option but to get out of my wheelchair, crawl into the room, have my wheelchair disassembled by my wife, brought into the room, re assembled and then I had to get back into it. This operation was needed every time we entered or left the room. This whole incident caused me and my wife great deal of distress. It was humiliating to have to do this in the sight of other guests who were passing by. Neither of us could sleep because of concerns about getting out of the hotel should an emergency arise and our relaxing weekend break was totally ruined. To add to this it was implied that somehow I was the problem and not the room when it was patiently obvious that the door to the room was almost half the width of the bathroom door IN the room! After our initial discussion we were at no further point contacted by management or anyone representing the hotel to see how we were coping.

It was clear that the hotel had spent great deal of effort in adapting these rooms internally but to do so and not enable access into the room itself is bizarre.

To suggest that this had never been a problem is equally incredible as it is obvious to anyone.

As you should be aware, section III of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (DDA) states that it is unlawful for service providers to discriminate against disabled people by providing them with a lower standard of service, or service on worse terms for reasons relating to their disability. Also, since 1 October 1999, you have been required to make ‘reasonable adjustments’ to enable disabled customers to access your services. This includes removing physical barriers and altering practices, policies and procedures that make it impossible or unreasonably difficult for disabled people to make use of any service which is offered to the public, a service provider must take reasonable steps to:
• remove the feature, or
• alter the feature, or
• provide a reasonable means of avoiding the feature, or
• provide a reasonable alternative method to making the service available to disabled people.

Please could you tell me what steps you have already taken to meet this legal duty?

In particular, what action do you intend to make to alter the access door to the room so that it allows the some level of access that you have already provided within the room?

When do you expect this work to start and be completed?

If no such work has been carried out or is planned, please could you explain the reasons why?

I believe that this incident raises two issues.

1. That I have been discriminated under section III of the Disability Discrimination Act and suffered humiliation and discomfort and a spoiled holiday because of the hotels misleading publicity in claiming to have three “Accessible Bedrooms” and to be “fully DDA compliant” and in its not offering an acceptable alternative to me.

2. That the hotel will continue to claim accessibility when this is patently not the case and that more disabled people will suffer the same humiliating experience.

Please consider the serious issues that my experience has raised. I look forward to your written response within 14 days. If I do not receive a written reply within 14 days I reserve the right to take action in the Sheriff Court under the Disability Discrimination Act.

I have attached photographs that illustrate the problem.


Yours sincerely

Photos of the room.

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The bathroom INSIDE the room

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The bathroom door INSIDE the room

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The door TO the room

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A pretty pissed off me!

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#2 Jilly

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 01:11 AM

Hi Tinbasher,

I dont blame you for being pissed off! I would be too.
We seem to have the opposite problem here in nz. T seems to be able to get into the room...but not the bathroom. Im not sure of the laws regarding this here but so far theres been very few bathrooms that he can access. His chair is about as wide as yours I think and I know that there are many others that wouldnt be able to fit through there either.

Stupid stupid motel people!! How on earth could they have such a good bathroom, and not think about access to the room itself???I bet they were embarrassed, if not they should have been. There was probably nothing much they could have done about it short of taking a chainsaw to the door!

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 01:48 AM

All I can say is 'good on you' for being assertive about this, and for expressing your expectation to be contacted about the issue in a timely manner. :mfrlol: Hopefully, they won't try to spin it, and they'll simply do the right thing and be accountable, making the necessary changes.

No matter what spin they try to put on it....it is NOT okay that you had to crawl, (be carried, whatever) into your room. And like you've mentioned...in the case of an emergency...that's downright scary.

Shame on them!! I wonder who the brainchild was behind that design?

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#4 dancin' johnny

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 02:23 AM

Maybe it's the honeymoon suite and you are supposed to be carried over the threshold? :)


I fully respect your actions and your letter tells them straight, they are in the wrong.

Thankyou for persuing this, you are doing every disabled person a favour by being active about your treatment. :mfrlol:

Looking at the photo; I think I might have just squeezed through by removing a wheel, leaning and getting someone to push me in, but why the hell should we have to pull stunts just to get into a hotel room that is sold to us as accessible?
How does it feel to feel?

#5 Tinbasher

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:37 PM

 dancin' johnny, on Sep 22 2006, 03:23 AM, said:

Maybe it's the honeymoon suite and you are supposed to be carried over the threshold? :clap:


I fully respect your actions and your letter tells them straight, they are in the wrong.

Thankyou for persuing this, you are doing every disabled person a favour by being active about your treatment. :P

Looking at the photo; I think I might have just squeezed through by removing a wheel, leaning and getting someone to push me in, but why the hell should we have to pull stunts just to get into a hotel room that is sold to us as accessible?

Hi Johnny

Gee nobody ever offers to carry me :cheers:

I actually think the builders who had done the bathroom work (which was very new compaired to the room MUST have had a problem getting the bath in!

Taking one wheel off did get me narrow enough but I cant do the "lean over" trick. I know I am on the large side but these days I hardly ever have a door problem so I got kinda annoyed when they tried to say I was an unusual case.

My new mantra is "Wheelchairs are NEVER too wide, doors are ALWAYS too narrow!"

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 09:02 PM

This illustrates the problems that can occur when you dont consult with disabled people enough on your proposals.
I can think of an incident a few months ago when I went out to inspect a new B & B conversion. They had tried really hard to make it as accessible as possible but had missed the finer points as the building inspector thought it looked fine, on paper that is. I pointed out that gravel in the driveway and main entrance was a problem to start with and inside the doorway and corridor to the main dining room was narrow. To be fair there was little they could do as the building was a 17th c listed barn. but I did point out that people needed INFORMATION. They are now putting the width of the door and corridor on the website so people know its narrow. they can at least make informed choices then.

As for Holiday Inn, they really should know better. If the room only has a narrow door, they should at least tell people at the time of booking, and not necessarily advertise the room as accessible. given that a lot of these hotels are put up very quickly I cant imagine it would be of huge cost or time to increase the door size slightly. doesnt sound a major job to me.

I guess they will argue that they offered you alternate accomaodation but thats not the point is it? I hope you get some satisfaction but somehow i think they will wriggle and wriggle over this one.

#7 Tinbasher

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 11:19 PM

 Lucydog, on Sep 22 2006, 10:02 PM, said:

This illustrates the problems that can occur when you dont consult with disabled people enough on your proposals. (SNIP)


I guess they will argue that they offered you alternate accomaodation but thats not the point is it? I hope you get some satisfaction but somehow i think they will wriggle and wriggle over this one.

Yep your spot on.

They are saying that an hour away and in the kind of area where you leave you car unlocked so they dont break the windows was a REAL choice!

I also did some research and discovered that the "access audit" they had was done by filing in a questionaire!

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Posted 23 September 2006 - 11:13 AM

The provisions of the current building regulations specify minimum door widths and minimum corridor widths which if used should provide plenty of space for any chair user.

Tinbasher - have you considered sueing in the small claims court under the DDA? It'll cost you about £80 but from what you've said it's clear that they're in clear contravention and once you've lodged the case there's no way they'll let it get to court. The beauty of the small claims is that you don't need a solicitor and you're not liable for their legal costs even if you lose and generally everything is done by paper submission and you shouldn't even need to attend court.
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#9 Tinbasher

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Posted 23 September 2006 - 08:46 PM

 russ1, on Sep 23 2006, 12:13 PM, said:

The provisions of the current building regulations specify minimum door widths and minimum corridor widths which if used should provide plenty of space for any chair user.

Tinbasher - have you considered sueing in the small claims court under the DDA? It'll cost you about £80 but from what you've said it's clear that they're in clear contravention and once you've lodged the case there's no way they'll let it get to court. The beauty of the small claims is that you don't need a solicitor and you're not liable for their legal costs even if you lose and generally everything is done by paper submission and you shouldn't even need to attend court.

Hi Russ

I have reseserved that option and because its Scotland it would be the Sherriff court and FREE to people on DLA!

If I can get an apology, a promise to fix the problem and maybe my bill refunded I would be happy.

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#10 Tinbasher

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Posted 28 September 2006 - 09:11 PM

Well....

I had a "holding" reply from the hotel this morning, full of apologies and promises to look into it.
We will see...

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#11 Tinbasher

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 09:40 PM

Hi all

I recieved a detailed apology today from the Vice President of Operations UK and Ireland with a full refund and £250 (about 460 Dollars) worth of vouchers to use for further stays at Holiday Inns.

I have accepted this but have offered them detailed feedback on how they might ensure this doesnt happen again.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 12:34 PM

Tin

I'm happy that you managed to get compensated for your ordeal.
I have just started to put together reviews from wheelchair travelers in a non-profit website at http://www.wheelyaccessible.co.uk

Would you consider letting me post some of your comments and that marvelous photo with the door frame and yourself?

Thanks

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 02:32 PM

We encountered a similar problem when we stayed at Landsdown Place Hotel in Brighton.
We booked the accessable room for the weekend as we were going to a wedding that was taking place at the same hotel. To quote their website "Lansdowne Place also provides luxury accommodation for disabled guests." Hmmm.

The first problem is that entrance to the hotel is up a set of steps with no ramp. Wheelchair access is around the corner through a gate which leads to a courtyard, and from there through a conference room (which may or may not be used at the time) and onto the foyer.

To get out of the hotel you take the reverse route. The problem here is that the staff kept forgetting to bring the correct keys with them. At one point I sat in the courtyard surrounded by people enjoying a wedding while staff wandered off to find the keys for the gate. I felt very uncomfortable as people stared at me wondering who the guy in the wheelchair was, and why had he not dressed up for the wedding!

The room itself was nice though a little small. The bathroom was a wheel-in wet room job. Great! Except that there was no shower chair, nor anything for me to transfer onto. As I was not prepared to get my chair soaked I had to do without a shower all weekend. The toilet was very low, and had grab rails in ludicrous places (i.e. just stuck anywhere). I did use it once, but it was a nightmare getting on and off, and in the end I did my bowels on the bed (not really very nice).

The stupid thing is that they had clearly spent a lot of money on the bathroom, but had then failed on the details, like toilet height, sensibly placed grab rails, and something to sit on in the shower.

I must admit, at the time I was determined to write to them, but I've not gotten around to it. I didn't take any pictures either. :clap:




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