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#1 Iain

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 04:30 PM

Anyone come across this : http://max-mobility....cts/smartdrive/ ?

 

RGK are going to supply them in the UK according to their website. To me it looks quite interesting but I'd be interest in anyone's experience.

 

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 04:42 PM

Looks good, wonder what kind of price it is going to be.



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:00 PM

The US price is £3120 but we all know that usually it isnt quite a straight conversion!!



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:08 PM

As many of you on here know, I work for RGK. I have got my demo unit now, I have used it for a trips out and got on well with it. The control of it takes a little bit of getting used to, but I went for a push of about 3 miles with relatively little effort. I managed to get up a ramp that nearly gives me a heart attack with its help and it was a lot easier. On the flat you can cruise with virtually no effort.

 

The price is expected to be £4300 (GBP)

(The US price appears to be $5995 as far as I can see)

 

Any questions, please feel free to ask.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:23 PM

As many of you on here know, I work for RGK. I have got my demo unit now, I have used it for a trips out and got on well with it. The control of it takes a little bit of getting used to, but I went for a push of about 3 miles with relatively little effort. I managed to get up a ramp that nearly gives me a heart attack with its help and it was a lot easier. On the flat you can cruise with virtually no effort.

 

The price is expected to be £4300 (GBP)

(The US price appears to be $5995 as far as I can see)

 

Any questions, please feel free to ask.

Hi Colin,

 

That sounds like you still have to push a bit - so it's a little like e-motion from that point of view?

 

Any idea of an average range in flat-ish terrain?



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:35 PM

It's different from E-motion in that you start pushing, it carries on until you tell it to stop, so on 1 occasion I went for about 500m with my hands off the wheels other than little steering corrections. It is also a lot smaller and lighter than an E-motion system

 

The manufacturers are quoting a range of about 10 miles as far as I know


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 08:49 PM

Close to $5K? *ouch*


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:27 PM

yup let the accessibility greed party begin.......easy to build I bet its a brushless hub motor with a lithium ion battery and a speed controller with built in accelerometers, lipo cut off, and some basic coding. 

 

Here is a link to explane what accelerometers are and how they work for those interested. 

 

http://www.dimension.../accelerometers

 

 

It's a great idea but like everything else in the mobility world it's far to costly to be practicle....

Close to $5K? *ouch*


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:16 AM

Wow,,, I hear this stuff about overpricing a lot around here.  And the price I was quoted a month ago was $6500.00. 

 

Everything we use costs a lot,, no doubt.  But if you think something can be marketed in the US or the UK for a lot less,, then maybe you ought to put together a marketing plan and talk to some banks about capital. 

 

The unfortunate fact is that it is a small market.  Even if the prices were lower,, there still wouldn't be enough sold to pay back the development costs.  This is very nearly one off engineering.  Look at the emotions and whatever that similar one was called,, before it went under ( wonder why). 

 

You think the parts aren't that exotic?  Maybe not,, but someone still has to put them together in such a way that they work both dependably and safely.  Good people cost good money,,, and they should. 

 

I'd rather be driving a porsche,, but they cost too much, too.

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The guy brought it to my house.  You have to be very careful on steeper hills,, both up and down.  It has a control to keep it turned on when going up the steep ones,, but it takes a hand to hold it,, so steering is a bitch.  The guy showing it to me had to jump out of the chair to keep from flipping it. ( Good thing he was AB, huh?  He wouldn't let me try it )


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:16 AM

Smartdrive power assist is really an amazing and great innovation for the manual chair user. I have found the most knowldge and most affordable place to purchase or try smartdrive is Living Spinal. Go to www.livingspinal.com and click on the link to smartdrive. http://www.livingspi.../smartdrive.htm the staff is all wheelchair users that understand th pProduct and shoot you straight. Or you can give them a call at 619-810-0010 to reach the main office.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:34 PM

$4839,,,, That is better than my supplier.  Still a little steep for me.  They had a little better price on the freewheel,. too.  Not a lot cheaper,, but a little.

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 10:25 PM

Anyone come across this : http://max-mobility....cts/smartdrive/ ?

 

RGK are going to supply them in the UK according to their website. To me it looks quite interesting but I'd be interest in anyone's experience.

 

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I'm currently looking at getting this as an add-on. The video shows it attached to a rigid chair, but it can also be used on folding chairs, in particular the Veloce and TiLite chairs.  Beats the hell out of getting an electric chair!

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 10:08 AM

 

yup let the accessibility greed party begin.......easy to build I bet its a brushless hub motor with a lithium ion battery and a speed controller with built in accelerometers, lipo cut off, and some basic coding. 

 

Here is a link to explane what accelerometers are and how they work for those interested. 

 

http://www.dimension.../accelerometers

 

 

It's a great idea but like everything else in the mobility world it's far to costly to be practicle....

Close to $5K? *ouch*

 

lets make our own! :P


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 10:53 AM

It looks as though it's been upgraded now to the Smartdrive MX1+

 

£4,300.00 (edit to add - think this price is for SmartDrive MX1)

 

 

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 12:29 PM

I was quoted just over $8,000.00 here in Australia.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 12:32 PM

I was quoted just over $8,000.00 here in Australia.

That's the same as the UK at current currency conversions.

 

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 12:37 PM

 

I was quoted just over $8,000.00 here in Australia.

That's the same as the UK at current currency conversions.

 

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Yes that's what I thought. :), way out of my range unfortunately.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 01:32 PM

seems better with the switch now but doesnt justify the price


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 02:09 PM

My husband has this and loves it. Insurance covered it so we paid $0.00. They are a really great and easy company to work with
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Posted 19 January 2014 - 04:04 PM

Something to consider is the alternative, which in this case would be the Alba E-Motion wheels.

 

Here are a few comparisons.

 

Cost

SmartDrive - £4,300.00

E-Motion - £3,600.00

 

Weight

SmartDrive - 19lbs

E-Motion - 24lbs

 

Speed

SmartDrive - 4.5 mph (250 lb occupant)

E-Motion - 3.7 mph

 

Distance on a Single Charge Cycle

SmartDrive - 10 miles

E-Motion - 15.5 miles

 

Something to consider is the ability to easily detach the SmartDrive when not needed, something you cannot do with the E-Motion wheels, unless you have a spare set of wheels with you.

 

Below I've attached the specification sheets for both the SmartDrive and the E-Motion wheels.

 

Attached File  alber_emotion_m15.pdf   1.27MB   150 downloads    Attached File  smart_drive_user_manual_pdf.pdf   1015.78KB   277 downloads

 

I think if I were to pick between the two, for me personally, I would favour the SmartDrive. Of course, I would need to demo both before making a final decision.

 

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 04:39 PM

With reference to Simons post above. 

 

A couple of further points, smartdrive can currently only be fitted to rigid framed chairs. I would say form the number of demos I have done with both the E-motions and smartdrive that the smartdrive suits people who can push a chair reasonably well but want to increase the distance they can travel and the gradients they go up. The E-motion suit people more who struggle to self propel and carries a lot of adjustments in power settings etc to account for strong and weaker sides (ie if you have a stronger left arm but weak right)

 

I'd also suggest people have a look at benoit light drive, if the smartdrive and e-motions don't quite do what you want them to, then this is an alternative

 

I'd strongly recommend that anyone looking at these add on power systems try before you commit to buy. For any uk users we (RGK wheelchairs) have demo units of each available.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 05:22 PM

 

 

I was quoted just over $8,000.00 here in Australia.

That's the same as the UK at current currency conversions.

 

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Yes that's what I thought. :), way out of my range unfortunately.

 

its a shame the way you guys get raped in other countries. I do a ton of business in the UK and AUS because of the ridiculous markups abroad.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 04:32 AM

I used one and I thought it was awesome,  but the cost is horrendous. I still don't know if my insurance company will pay for any of it,

but I am not coming $6500 USD out of pocket for this. 

 

You can push once and the smartdrive will push you x8. This can certainly help save your shoulders over time preventing injuries and wear.

You can put the smartdrive on full push and it can push you up a hill without you pushing at all. Just remember to brake or you'll get a facial.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:03 AM

I boughta second hand chair with E-motions for $50 . The battery was dead . I borrowed one & they work fine. I just need to modify my old chair & will adapt another battery to fit. 


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 09:04 PM

I recently tried both, emotion & smartdrive. I loved speeding around with the smartdrive, but after weighing pros vs cons, emotion is the better choice for me. Just found out last week the DME company I'm working through dropped the ball & didn't submit something correctly to my insurance last year & are now starting over. I met my HUGE deductible last year, so needless to say I am super pissed. I am going to have to sort it out this week.
Oh, I also tried the freewheel on my chair along with the smartdrive. As a demonstration for others, one of them pushed me in a grassy area and the smartdrive broke! I felt awful (even though it wasn't my fault), but was relieved I wasn't responsible for breaking the expensive toy!

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 12:03 PM

I recently tried both, emotion & smartdrive. I loved speeding around with the smartdrive, but after weighing pros vs cons, emotion is the better choice for me. Just found out last week the DME company I'm working through dropped the ball & didn't submit something correctly to my insurance last year & are now starting over. I met my HUGE deductible last year, so needless to say I am super pissed. I am going to have to sort it out this week.
Oh, I also tried the freewheel on my chair along with the smartdrive. As a demonstration for others, one of them pushed me in a grassy area and the smartdrive broke! I felt awful (even though it wasn't my fault), but was relieved I wasn't responsible for breaking the expensive toy!

 

I am very interested in your experience because I am going to buy a freewheel to use together with e-motion or smartdrive.

I already have e-motion, I have been using it for years and I am satisfied; I think that e-motions + freewheel could work great together. Do you agree? Have you tried it?

 

And what about smartdrive? I thought it could be even better than e-motions, but if you say that it doesn't work offroad then e-motions is really better. How is smartdrive on grass?


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 02:25 PM

If you're looking at the E-Motion wheels, this may interest you: http://www.apparelyz...87-alber-twion/

 

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 07:11 PM

Smartdrive has changed a bit, it now has 2 operation modes, indoor and outdoor.

 

I've had a play around with one today and shot a short video of the outdoor mode in action

 



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 04:50 PM

Very cool (and useful) technology.

 

The prize however is a bit  :poo:


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Posted 23 March 2014 - 10:18 AM

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