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#1 User is offline   Izziwhizzi 

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 11:13 AM

Hi

I'm a complete C6 tetra who loves to travel & so a frequent flyer and very used to all the usual procedures different airlines & airports go through with us that are unable to walk. The "are you sure you can't walk, not even a few steps?" question is still one of my favourites.

Anyway, these last few days I flew with my husband & 2 kids from Birmingham International to Paris (Charles de Gaulle) on Air France - a flight that is operated for them by CityJet although very much under Air France control.

CityJet have a rule that non ambulatory passengers have to sit in a window seat for other passengers safety - the example they gave me was if there was a crash that people could not get past me if I was sat in an aisle seat. If in a crash I believe an aisle seat would give me my only chance of getting out, although realistically I think even if there were survivors I am done for.

Whilst I loved the view from the window, getting me, someone who can't transfer themselves and with a tetra belly, biggish bum & crap balance across 2 other seats and onto a third on a roho with extremely limited access is not easy. I had a male & female helper supplied at B'ham who with my husband just about managed the job but I was very wary with me made to slide over seat belt buckles & fittings which could of easily torn my bum.

A window seat gives no access if you need adjusting or a bag emptying during a flight.

Then in CDG they only supplied one helper. My husband slid me himself across the 3 seats and then a member of the crew helped me off under my knees, the French helper under my arms and my husband lifting my bum up and safely over the 6" high fixed arm rest. Ask someone to lift you vertically up 6" off your wheelchair seat and over a fixed object & you'll understand it realistically needs 3 people.

In small planes you can't have the bulk head seats because of door access regulations, the gangway is a mere 14" to squeeze down and in this flight you enter at the front and exit at the rear so have to go down the full length of the plane.

On the return trip, the unorganised CDG/Air France assistance team delayed me so much that we were the last ones onto a full plane. Infact if I hadn't of been so adamant in my school level French they would of left me at CDG for the next plane even though I was checked in & waiting over 2 hours before the flight. They requested my single French helper to get me into the window seat - obviously expecting help from my husband - with a full row sat infront and behind my seat. The French guy just shook his head and said he couldn't do that.

The plane was ready to go, and the rule about me sitting next to a window, which had previously been so important that they wouldn't have let me fly, was waived and I was sat in the significantly easier aisle seat.

Our flight adventure didn't stop there as I got off the plane with 2 really good helpers, they also managed to tip me out of the aisle chair I was fortunately strapped into and onto the floor. That was all to do with the steepness of the airbridge on the step off the horizontal plane and not their competenancy. It was a near impossible manourve demanded of them using the small aisle chair.

However, no member of the cabin crew came to see if I was OK as I lay on the floor of the airbridge waiting for my chair which I thought was very rude & inconsiderate. I guess it wasn't even written up in an accident book but even now 2 days later my neck & shoulders ache where I landed badly and unknown to them as they didn't check at all I may have done something more serious.

Is this level of competancy what we are to expect in the future? Who do you think I should write to as I think I ought to complain or at least put my input in with this poorly conceived window rule. Am I just becoming a grumpy old tetra in my advancing years or I should expect to get sores or hurt every time I fly?

4 days in Disneyland Paris with my 2 kids was fab btw, the whole reason for going to Paris. The actual TGV transfer from CDG to Disneyland was only 10 minutes & a breeze too. Would I go through it all again? Of course, tomorrow!!!

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 11:48 AM

Hi Izziwhizzi :)

I don't think you're whinging at all, if that happened to me I would be horrorfied!
I've never come across the window seat rule, thankfully but i've only flown in Australia since my accident.
Maybe you could write to the manager of the plane company or the airport??
Sorry, i'm not much help...I do love the 'can you just walk a couple of steps' though..it amazes me every time.. :(
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Posted 21 November 2006 - 01:52 PM

View PostIzziwhizzi, on Nov 21 2006, 10:13 AM, said:

my husband just about managed the job but I was very wary with me made to slide over seat belt buckles & fittings which could of easily torn my bum.

A window seat gives no access if you need adjusting or a bag emptying during a flight.

my husband lifting my bum up and safely over the 6" high fixed arm rest.


The reasons above, IMO, are enough to warrant a complaint. Their 'rule' may look good on paper, but it leaves a lot to be desired in the living of it. Not very well thought out.

I support you in writing a letter of complaint....maybe it will at least raise their awareness somewhat, and they might be less quick to generate these rules without thinking of all the possible ramifications first.

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Posted 25 November 2006 - 07:37 PM

That was an awful experience. We flew recently - (BTW this is Bedrocks girlfiend replying.) Flew and into Bristol which was fab - excellent staff. Easyjet suggested he sat by the window - but I said no-way, no can do. Easy jet were very good, they understood. When we got to Mallorca, 4 guy's helped him oto the ailse seat and carried him down the plane steps - I didn't watch! :nono: BUT, flying out of Mallorca the guy bashed him into the side of the tunnel and then nearly let him fall off the aisle seat. Hope your next experience is much better. :helpme:
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Posted 26 November 2006 - 09:32 AM

Not only would I complain, write a letter but I would courtesy copy the letter to every safety board that works with all airlines, as well as my local news "on your side" correspondent! Even a letter to your local newspaper editor. You'd be surprised how media people can get you the attention you justly need. Not to make you look like a trouble maker/complainer/whiner/etc.... but to make known a scenario that is becomming more possible as the number of chair users rises. Disabled people are traveling more than we did years ago and the transportation companies all need to be aware that a wheelchair is not a wheelchair and every user is not every user. Just like able-bodied travelers we have differing needs as well. I have not flown for a while but I used to fly west-east coast US at least twice a year and airport transportation staff were always extremely helpful lifting me (under arm and knees) from aisle chair to seat when the armrests were fixed. I was always told it was REQUIRED I sit in aisle seats. I have always travelled alone so never had anyone of my personal enterage there to assist. I guess the proverbial "rule book" is always being ignored by someone thus causing conflict in our expectations the next time we travel.

Sorry to hear of your awful experience! I'm glad it does keep you from travelling again!
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... edit: ... oops does NOT keep you from travelling again! :puke:

This post has been edited by lune14: 26 November 2006 - 09:32 AM

Where there's a hill there's a way!!

Hey! Bring back my cape, I'm not done being invincible!!
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Posted 26 November 2006 - 07:46 PM

I find every airport is different..Dublin is fine, Barcelona is terrific,heathrow wasfine, London City while staff are friendly haven't a clue about lifting, asked me all about where my injury was etc...then one guy in front of me grabbed me under the arms whilst the other 2 watched , seemed surprised when I crumbled down onto the tarmac....happened too fast for me to realise what was happening....of course I was full of helpful suggestions on the return journey ....though they have great equipmment they seemed very unsure how it worked....were sticky about the window seat too. Iberian airline have a few special seats where the armrests come up and always seat us in the aisle seat.

Happy travelling everybody...x

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