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[barber1]

Whom do you plan on to support/vote for in the 2008 president election?

[Tim13]

Ideally: Ron Paul/Mike Gravel.

Realistically: Obama/Clinton

...lifelong card carrying republican btw.

[nomis]

As a General spinal Cord Injuries Discussion, I'd presume you'd be looking at who was offering what in the interests of the welfare of spinal cord injured people. Start with stem cell research.

[Kev-O]

Fred Thompsom

[Texaswheelz]

Tim13, on Sep 26 2007, 05:52 PM, said:

Ideally: Ron Paul/Mike Gravel.

If only..sadly I don't think enough people have heard of RP.

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As a General spinal Cord Injuries Discussion, I'd presume you'd be looking at who was offering what in the interests of the welfare of spinal cord injured people. Start with stem cell research.

If only it were that simple, there are to many other important issues that determine my vote that can and will effect the whole world, not just me. To be honest I don't even know how any of the people running feel about stem cell research, that's how much of a non-issue it is to me with right now.

[Kev-O]

Texaswheelz, on Sep 27 2007, 02:01 AM, said:

Tim13, on Sep 26 2007, 05:52 PM, said:

Ideally: Ron Paul/Mike Gravel.

If only..sadly I don't think enough people have heard of RP.

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As a General spinal Cord Injuries Discussion, I'd presume you'd be looking at who was offering what in the interests of the welfare of spinal cord injured people. Start with stem cell research.

If only it were that simple, there are to many other important issues that determine my vote that can and will effect the whole world, not just me. To be honest I don't even know how any of the people running feel about stem cell research, that's how much of a non-issue it is to me with right now.

I agree America has bigger fish to fry right now then Stem Cell.

If Obama/Clinton get in office im moving to North Korea

[alyssa]

Kev-O, on Sep 26 2007, 10:43 PM, said:

If Obama/Clinton get in office im moving to North Korea

Why North Korea?

Being Canadian I don't get a vote, but really anything is better than Bush/Cheney.

[Kev-O]

alyssa, on Sep 27 2007, 02:59 AM, said:

Kev-O, on Sep 26 2007, 10:43 PM, said:

If Obama/Clinton get in office im moving to North Korea

Why North Korea?

Being Canadian I don't get a vote, but really anything is better than Bush/Cheney.

Obama would be bad becouse he uses his race for alot of things, an Clinton becouse that would be just like letting Bill back in. They both would pull our troops an cut the militarys $$$, by pulling our troops all that would do is bring the war over here. And the fact they are libarals an both are idiots. O said North Korea cuz last elections people had shirts saying if Bush gets into office they are moving to Canada.

[nomis]

Kev-O, on Sep 27 2007, 02:43 PM, said:

I agree America has bigger fish to fry right now then Stem Cell.

Exactly. I was trying to clarify what relevance the US presidency has to this section of the forum.

[wheels5894]

Well we now have Gordon Brown and I suspect a person less likely to jump when a US president says so. Blair was just a lap dog to Bush!

So far as the US is concerned, a president is needed to fix healthcare - the US is way down the list for peri-natal deaths like a third world country. Tetras there will know there is no extended rehab without personal funds. Let's hope someone can fix things one day.

[HiltonP]

I’ve never been able to fully understand the whole fuss over stem-cell research. Sure, it worthwhile having such research on the “back burner”, but there is so much more which governments can do for the disabled on a practical day-to-day level which is not being addressed.

Education (schooling, technical, university, etc) for starters. Access to mainstream education for disabled people (particularly young disabled children) remains very limited, if not non-existant. How can disabled people become self-sufficient, involved, contributing members of society if they cannot get an education?

Employment. While many companies may show an accessable/inclusive face to society via their shopfronts working for them can be an entirely different matter. Job opportunities (from entry level to senior management) remain limited for disabled people.

Physical access. While access levels have improved noticeably in many countries it remains an issue throughout the world. Even in supposedly 1st World Europe access levels are poor.

I would want the issues of education, employment and access addressed long before any research on stem-cells.

[wheels5894]

You.ve got everything right there, Hilton. There is a lot that should be done for everyday life. Mind, dealing with physical issues allows access not just to us but makes everything easier for mums with pushchairs and teh temporarily disabled (broken legs etc).

Education and employment are very hard to deal with in the UK where we have very old buildings that can't be messed about with because of their historical value. Old universites have a terrible time trying take on disabled students as they must. I am surprised that the US has these problems though as nothing is all that old and there is much more space that in the UK.

Whatever is the good idea to help, though, disabled people are going to be at the bottom of the pile until a 'disabled vote' forces politicians to seek it like the Jewish Vote and the Right Wind Christian vote in the US.

[smokymtn memories]

I agree with Hilton and Wheels, I'd like to see something done for the quality of life and opportunities to better ones life without becoming dependent on a crappy monthly allowance from the government, that you have to fight for three years to recieve.

I worked for over twenty years and paid into this fund that they act like I'm trying to steal from. I would much rather WORK! At my age, and current abilities, I'm done.

I'd like to see a president focus on education and health insurance for a change. Not only do the disabled need more/better of both, the whole country does. In this world of technology, public schools should go beyond the twelve grade. There should be at least two more "free" years of study, give kids a choice for technology for a job or a head-start for college.

[edlee]

Universal healthcare and universal education are , to me, the most important things to consider, both in the U.S. and in the world.

If everyone was healthy and educated the rest would fall into place.

Oh, by the way, Believing others lack intelligence because they don't agree with your point of view, doesn't make them idiots, but it doesn't say the same for those "believers". Name calling, on either side, may be a part of politics but, it has no place here.

I will vote for whoever, it seems to me, will comes closest to taking the country in the direction I think it should go. Political parties mean nothing to me. I have, in the past , voted for members of each of them as well as for independents.

Maybe we should forgo the election process entirely, and give the job to whoever scores highest on an I.Q. test.

Plato would have liked that, I think.
ed

[john S.]

HiltonP, on Sep 27 2007, 06:04 AM, said:

I’ve never been able to fully understand the whole fuss over stem-cell research. Sure, it worthwhile having such research on the “back burner”, but there is so much more which governments can do for the disabled on a practical day-to-day level which is not being addressed.

Education (schooling, technical, university, etc) for starters. Access to mainstream education for disabled people (particularly young disabled children) remains very limited, if not non-existant. How can disabled people become self-sufficient, involved, contributing members of society if they cannot get an education?

Employment. While many companies may show an accessable/inclusive face to society via their shopfronts working for them can be an entirely different matter. Job opportunities (from entry level to senior management) remain limited for disabled people.

Physical access. While access levels have improved noticeably in many countries it remains an issue throughout the world. Even in supposedly 1st World Europe access levels are poor.

I would want the issues of education, employment and access addressed long before any research on stem-cells.

To answer your question about the big deal over studying stem cells. Medical science has reached a point where the posibilities of curing the incurable lay in such research. The human genome project flew by and has pointed research toward stem cells. these studies offer cures for cancer, diabetes, heart disease and genetic disabilities, alshiemers, parkinson's disease, and spinal injuries may be entirely curable. The money drug companies strip away from the economy will be obsolete. The manufacturing of wheelchairs, gone. It is as though we have a president that wantrs to eliminate pasturization and pennecillin.
It may be little help for those of us long term sufferers, but could you imagine an and to spinal and nerve diseases. If it only cured diabetes it would enhance and save millions of lives each year. China and Russia are all having limited success and here we sit with the worlds greatest research facilities and the greatest minds on earth and starting a third world war over religion and oil.
Unfortunately, the money needed to research stem cells is being used to research new weapon systems. The president wants a new nuclear device to be small enough to attack an underground bunker without collatewral damage.
If you think education is important, lets look at the presidents "no child left behind" policy. It is unfunded but if schools do not follow this musical chairs game from washington they loose all federal funding.
if we had any guts we would lay claim to our government and force those in Washington to leave. Politicians were never meant to be professionals. We wanted to be governed by people like ourselves, yet here we sit being governed by the rich, for the rich.
Hileray sold out to the drug companies. Bush sold out to..everyone! We have no choice for president because anyone intelligent enough to do the job well is far to intelligent tio accept the job at all.
I don't care who you vote for but if you don't vote, you get exactly what you deserve.
Bush isn't the anti-christ, he is far to stupid to be that credible. He has proved that the post WW2 movement to eliminate American intelligence has worked well.

john