[dave420atya]

I have had very intense pain in my right leg .I tried several Rx pills with no relief. I've read the forums on pain management and find I am not the only one who smokes pot for relief. As a 20 year veteran of smoking pot ,I had no problem with continuing my habit. Hell, I get mean when I go without. I guess I'm just a pothead, but I BELIEVE it helps me to handle the pain even if it doesn't actually make it go away.
Are there any others out there who think it really helps with your attitude and state of mind in dealing with all the problems we have as SCI survivors?
PARAPOTHEAD DAVE420

[PetitMortVampyre]

My friend does, tho this is santa Cruz and he does have other meds, he swears it help him.

V.

[rkzenrage]

I've discussed this elsewhere.
It helps me a great deal with spasms, both muscular and neurological, lack of appetite, nausea, problems with sleep and some nerve pain.
Not all kinds of pain though. Muscle pain is not touched by it at all.
For the things I have mentioned, however, no pharmaceutical medication touches it.
Marinol makes me more ill, not less.

[darrel]

hey dave,
I don't mind talking about it either, I started using it back in the seventies, and I still am known to take a couple every once in a while. but I try to be descreat about it. I don't think that it is a cure for pain, it is more of a nero-blocker. and with it being illigal I don't care to get tagged with it. and I really don't care to see someone push the use of it. I 'm not sure of others on this sight but lets call it "alternitive drugs" incase that there is any juvies looking in. that way they don't think that we promote the use.
I don't mean to poo on your parade, but descretion is still best.

[dave420atya]

darrel,
You can't poo on any thing of mine .I know it's far better for me than narcotics that are legal.I'm not a pusher, but I know what works for me.

[darrel]

dave420atya, on Oct 8 2007, 11:43 PM, said:

darrel,
You can't poo on any thing of mine .I know it's far better for me than narcotics that are legal.I'm not a pusher, but I know what works for me.

dave read your pm

[PetitMortVampyre]

darrel, on Oct 8 2007, 05:58 PM, said:

dave420atya, on Oct 8 2007, 11:43 PM, said:

darrel,
You can't poo on any thing of mine .I know it's far better for me than narcotics that are legal.I'm not a pusher, but I know what works for me.

dave read your pm

you never pm me anymore, darrel <cries a lot>

[rkzenrage]

No one with a brain will be anything but discreet because of all of those that want to keep it illegal and keep those like us in pain.
That is the fact, if they want it illegal they want people in pain, end of story.

[gazrobsuk]

Of course the naff thing IMO is it's illegal as a medicinal aid e.g. I've signed up for the cannibis trials here in the UK (spray under the tongue) but it's not available in Wiltshire where I live. It is in some Counties I hear & I understand Canada has full approval to trial/test this (correct me Canadians if wrong)

So for people with chronic pain (like me) I just do not understand why we can't try it. Mind you the same goes I guess for other subjects like stem cells & Dubbya not supporting it yet it might change lives dramatically.

From my point of view I don't smoke now but did do the odd 'spliff' in my youth & I don't see why it is illegal (it's kinda not now here unless you have a lot of it:-)) as IMO it's pretty tame even compared to a triple whisky say. Just my 2C so don't flame me:-)

This post has been edited by gazrobsuk: 09 October 2007 - 10:00 AM

[gustifer]

i totally agree with the use of it. it has helped me through a lot not only physically but emotionally as well. i left rehab with a feeding tube still cause everything i tried to eat, i would throw up. my stomach had shrunk so any food i could keep down wasn't much. the dr's recommended smokin pot even though they couldn't prescribe it. tell you what, i'm 6'2" and when i got hurt i was around 165lbs (was 30lbs heavier after working out a lot but some misc drug use burned that off quick). i left rehab at 115lbs. after i started smoking, i gained back up to 145lbs.
the thing it works best, for me, is spasms. i used to have spasms in my legs that would fly up and hit my trey table knocking whatever was on it all over me and everywhere else. my legs have thrown me out of my chair, out of bed, knocked the wind out of my aides, and i was even on 120mgs of baclofin (divided into 3x a day). only when i'd take a couple of hits would they calm down and act like they are supposed to...paralyzed. trying to take off on a walk while i'm trying to eat dinner. i mean come on. their supposed to not work anymore. anyways...
lastly, it does help keep the anger from boiling over into a volcano. i feel it's a lot better than any other antidepressant or anything. i too have been on numerous pharmaceuticals and not much would help with pain without making my world spin, especially nerve pain. i've come to the point where i figure its going to hurt whether im medicated or not. taking a couple hits does help to relax the mind enough to be able to suck it up. like all other meds though, it has side effects especially if over used and abused. been there. done that.
Gus

[wheeliebear75]

I like rkzenrage get quite a bit of relief from smoking pot; for the same reasons and with the similar reaction.....aka relief.. I didn't smoke prior to SCI........it was the other way around for me(Rx 1st then tried pot). Yes lots of us do get relief.

[Ches]

So I was a pothead before the accident.. And NO KIDS IM NOT SAYING POT IS COOL. BUT HEY ITS A LOT COOLER THEN CRACK THATS FOR SURE!

My legs never got bad spasms they are actually pretty tame, but I can notice a difference when Im baked,, and when Im not. They go with the flow, get all heavy and like me, get lazy when stoned!

Plus if I didnt get high I couldnt put up with all the idiots in the world. Pre and Post injury. People are dumb. I know Im dumb, but shit, some people are really dumb.. like really dumb. HAHA Im funny.

Pot helps me cope with everyday frustration, it keeps me patient and makes everyones life around me alot easier.

Pot will always be illegal in our FEDERAL SYSTEM, although the tolerance may change. All we can do is hope those old geezers starting hitting the doja themselves.

Wow I think I have used like 5 different references for Reefer already! Im on a roll..

I know some of you may be completely againist pot, and for that I am sorry. There is definitly a stereotype for people of that nature.. I dont want to be politically incorrect here so I will just say its a word used to describe those with sticks shoved up their ass' Some of you around here need to smoke a fatty, trust me Im a doctor!

Ok Im done.. Im in one of those moods tonight.. sorry If you never see me again. Simon is going to hate me after my few post tonight...

This post has been edited by Ches: 10 October 2007 - 03:10 AM

[dave420atya]

No one could hate you Ches.<a href="http://www.sweetim.com/s.asp?im=gen&ref=11" target="_blank"><img src="http://content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/emoticons/00020165.gif" border=0 ></a>

[Ches]

Are you kidding.. Im one of the most stubborn, opinionated, and argumentative people I've ever known!

I guess its the pot that keeps me sane and calm.

Pot for Pain? Only if you are labeling me a pain in the ass!

[DaveP]

This is a similar subject to "religion" - people are either very firmly on one side of the fence or the other.

Cannibas is a muscle relaxant and when we're in pain, our muscles tend to tense up. It may not actually reduce the pain but it certainly relaxes the muscles, which makes it much more tolerable.

I think all drugs should be legalised. It would mean a good clean supply (via licenced shops) without all the extras the dealers cut up the gear with (the physical damage herion adicts suffer is not from the heroin - it's from the crap that the gear is cut with), reduced prices (meaning Smackheads wouldn't need to resort to crime to get their fixes), police would be freed up to catch proper crimiinals and even the government would benefit (reduced costs and new income from taxes etc). Crime would be cut drastically and hospitals would have less patients from stabbings, shootings, muggings, etc.

Will this increase the number of addicts and/or users? No, because there has been no impact on the level of supply on the streets ever in history, even with the harsh penalties imposed. In fact, if heroin addicts were given a free shot in the morning by the State (as registered addicts are given), then they could go to work all day and no one would even know they were addicts, and they wouldn't end up on the streets committing crime in order to get enough cash for their next fix.

I don't have a problem with people that take drugs, as long as it's done responsibly. For example, I wouldn't be too pleased if I was on the operating table and the surgeon came in with a big fat joint hanging out of his mouth. Or... I'm on trial for murder and my lawyer turns up stoned! There's a time and place for everything...

I had a bit of a laugh when I was driving across America. I was talking to a gorgeous girl and put my hand in my trouser pocket and said, "I've got 2 things in here that you've never seen. Guess what they are." After she'd run out of guesses, I said, "I've got a foreskin and some Hash!" It seems the average American tocker has never seen solid - only grass.... and most men are circumsized! lol

[PetitMortVampyre]

:: steps up, carefully onto the soap box :::

I do not smoke.. could be cause the 1st of 3 times I tried I coughed out my left lung, put it back in and that was the end of that idea. Now, that is by my own choice. I have a perscription for it, as our doctors here in this lil county (mayor supported it, not sure about our current one, if he does, but the one back when I moved here, *Opened the 1st medicinal clinic) I gave my rx to a friend for her restless leg syndrom, as no *legal* medication works for her. She is 68 years old.

When I went back to Texas, in April, I saw my BF at the time-we were breaking up it was our final hoorah, who I refer to as Tex, cause my son and Tex are BOTH named Michael and it confuses people, and I hate the name MIKE. Tex is a *pothead* its not somthing I hold against him (I held other things, oops, sorry mind in gutter) and he wanted so bad, for me to try it. I had tried when I was 20 something, to *smoke again* in a manner that required the fellow to take the hit and kiss me and I inhaled that way.. didn't work in that case, but oooooooooooooooh it did with Tex. Sadly, by the 3rd night, my body caught on to what was happening and it no longer affected me. But it was erotic for the time it did last, and I will treasure it for a long time to come.

I'm sorry, but alcohol has killed far many more people (only 2 deaths here, am I aware of that pot was a contributing factor and thats damn odd) and alcohol is legal. They tried prohibition and we all know how THAT went.. moonshine madness. Now why not make the damn green stuff legal, then they can tax the sh... I mean they wanna tax everyting, what better than something that is sooooooo popular in our culture? You can't tell me Ted Kennedy isn't a stoner... you just can't.

People abuse prescription medication ALL the time. I am not for heroin being legal, just not. But in its way, it is, people are given the rx version to withdraw with, then they become addicted to the cure.. yeah that made sense. Marinol, is legal, but a serious med here, my own father (who ironically, tho a former flower child, my name proves he had to be high-hates *potheads*) wanted me to get my MD to give me an rx for marinol pills as you can in cali, not texas, and send it to him!!!! Yeah, no. That shit is dangerous, thats just MY opinion.

Suddenly I miss Tex... all that long hair and his kiss, man had no lips, but oh could he kiss....hmmm

::: steps off the soap box carefully :::
(yay me, not easy to do without the damn crutch, I have not fallen in 3 days I get points for that!)

Love, Light and Laughter
Corvette (aka not a PotHead, but not against it)

[dave420atya]

Ches, on Oct 10 2007, 09:38 AM, said:

Are you kidding.. I'm one of the most stubborn, opinionated, and argumentative people I've ever known!

I guess its the pot that keeps me sane and calm.

Pot for Pain? Only if you are labeling me a pain in the ass!

Well, I guess that is what I like about you. I like your attitude and you are quite easy on the eyes too.
Stay cool Ches you wear it well!

Dave( it's always 4:20 somewhere)

[Ches]

I wear it well.. Nice..

Thanks, your not so bad yourself. Even if you are on drugs!

[nomis]

DaveP, on Oct 11 2007, 03:42 AM, said:

...I think all drugs should be legalised...

... if heroin addicts were given a free shot in the morning by the State (as registered addicts are given), then they could go to work all day and no one would even know they were addicts...

...I don't have a problem with people that take drugs, as long as it's done responsibly....

I agree with much of what DaveP says.
The problem is that I don't think people can be responsible. I can and you can but what about them?

Most of the hysterical opposition to drugs is based on misinformation and the refusal to be educated. Whether they are legal or illegal, many of them can be dangerous.

We've got to have some controls but I'd like them to be sensible. If you want to know what sensible is, ask me because it is whatever I say.

[wheeliebear75]

I don't think I've said for someone to go out and smoke pot. Now on the other hand if someone is having severe problems than what is the difference between saying that pot works well for you and may also for them and saying that a couple of Oxys and some Valium works wonders? And I feel as nomis does that often those who are opposed to pot will stay that way because they refuse to look at it any other way. I doubt that many people look at opiate pain killer and heroin as the same.........yet the same poppy flower makes them both. Yes there are pharmaceutical solutions..........I think that many of us just find that the marijuana works better than.


I had never tried pot prior to injury. Actually I had been using only Rx from 4/28/90 until March of 2003. I take hardly any pills now........and I feel like I have a better quality of life. I know that it's legality is in question...........but there is no question about my pain or spasms or neuropathy or nausea; so why is it that smoking a weed is illegal but tossing your cookies is just "fine and dandy"?


I'm not wanting to break any laws............but I feel more as though I'm forced to break it.

[LuckyinKentucky]

I smoked before and now after my injury... more heavily now though. I dont have spasms but do have some serious nerve pain. It doesn't help the pain too much but more the willingness to let it come & let it go easier. Who knows maybe someday i won't need pot to help me do that... till then guess I'm breakin the law... or like you said wheelliebear "forced". This reminds me of a quote I red elswhere on here rkzenrage Yesterday, 09:45 PM
Thomas Jefferson-
"If a law is unjust not only does a man have the right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so!"

[Ches]

I wish our country had a more leniant attitude towards marijuana.. It would be great if everyone was responsible enough to handle a legal system for drugs. I dont think that can really ever be the case though. There has always been drug pushers, someone is always out to make a dollar. Even if drugs were controlled, not much would change. I guess we would end up with more pure forms of common street drugs, but would that really do any good? Amsterdamn has a low tolerance and one of the highest crime rates.. How does that work?

[Murray]

Hit my teens before the 60's "hit" me. Grew up in a crazy conflict between the conservative Christianity of my folks and the "do-your-own-thing" creed of the day. Focused most attention/energy on sports and girls. By-passed the whole pot bit 'til college. Even then, I thought I was too much of a student (?) to give time to anything else. (What a geek!) Tried the wicked weed once or twice, but it just made me silly/sillier and sleepy. I couldn't see spending money on something I could do for nothing. Was "straight" until the accident - that is, if you don't count an alcohol addiction .... The sci changed innumerable things. Among them, the need to manage pain, spasticity and depression without adding to my 20 pills/day regimen. I figured my liver was already in revolt. Pot was the closest thing to a perfect solution I could find. And it's been doing a great job for almost a year. Luckily, I live in a state where "medical marijuana" is legal. I can grow 10 of my own plants without having to worry about the DEA haulnig my ass to jail. Why more states don't go this route is a puzzle.

[rkzenrage]

DaveP, on Oct 10 2007, 10:42 AM, said:

This is a similar subject to "religion" - people are either very firmly on one side of the fence or the other.

Speaking of... http://www.equalrigh...gious/bible.htm

[nomis]

Hey rkzenrage, are you persuading us to turn Christian.

[gustifer]

Ches, on Oct 10 2007, 11:09 PM, said:

I wish our country had a more leniant attitude towards marijuana.. It would be great if everyone was responsible enough to handle a legal system for drugs. I dont think that can really ever be the case though. There has always been drug pushers, someone is always out to make a dollar. Even if drugs were controlled, not much would change. I guess we would end up with more pure forms of common street drugs, but would that really do any good? Amsterdamn has a low tolerance and one of the highest crime rates.. How does that work?

this is a big subject for me. it has been the only thing that i have been able to rely on to help with my spasms. at 1 point they were so bad that they were knocking my aides in the chest, putting them in scissor locks, throwing me out of bed and mt chair. tossing me on the floor in the shower even though i'd be strapped in. i was young at 1st and i did abuse it but after i'd smoke it all with my friends but then when i'd be out, thats when i'd notice the difference. thats when i learned to controll it. i use it more like a medication then anything. a hit to relax them before streches or the shower and sometimes another one later when i feel the tenseness start to set in. besides the fact that it helped me with my appitite in the early years when i had no appitite. and it helps relax for a good sleep. my uncle in Cali has HIV and has a prescription for it and it helps him. that guy has been in the death bed twice at least and now good diet and a lil ganga has helped him get back to almost normal.
i've researched and watch documentaries about it and you know why it 1st became illegal? when the southwest was building railroads and whatnot they brought in a lot of mexicans for cheep labor force. the mexicans smoked ritually and when all the work was said n done, the government didn't know what to do with all the mexicans nor did they want to support them so controversy stirred saying that the pot was driving them mad therefore it they shouldn't make it available for them. in fact it wasn't that it was making them mad, it was a way of driving them back to mexico where it was still legal at them time. same thing with coke. they used to give it to the blacks working the plantations cause it gave them moree energy to work. but when the blacks starting uprising, they blammed it on the coke saying it was driving them mad so they made it illegal.
one more thing. did you know that you can get a prescription for drugs similar too or just different forms of almost any of the illegal drugs out there, except pot (besides now that they are trying marinol, which i've heard mixed reviews about). opiates, stimulants, anphetamines, hilucinates, just about anything.
i dont know. it turned into a big issue with my ex n all and like some of you said. some just don't agree. it works for some people, but not all, just like any other medication. and just like any medication, there is a point when it can be misused and abused. it can make you lathargic over time. that i've seen.
BUT i think the world would be better off with pot legal before cigarettes and alcohol. you'll drive slower and you'd laugh at the guy flippin you the bird rather than tryin to shoot him or ram him, lol.

[dave420atya]

Where did you get that smilie face hitting the bong? I love it !
I love every one and every thing.
I must have just hit my bong.

[rkzenrage]

nomis, on Oct 11 2007, 05:09 AM, said:

Hey rkzenrage, are you persuading us to turn Christian.

No, just eliminating the religious stance against pot.

[gustifer]

dave420atya, on Oct 11 2007, 12:59 PM, said:

Where did you get that smilie face hitting the bong? I love it !
I love every one and every thing.
I must have just hit my bong.

i just did a google thing and low n behold. i was going to make my own but sure enough, i was beatin to the punch and i didn't roll quick enough. anyways try this http://planetsmilies...milies/smoking/ have fun and keep on keepin on!

[dave420atya]

Thanks Qustifer, that shit is great! I love it! I think Ill get alot of use out of these .