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[E-DOG]

 Swordfish, on Jul 7 2008, 07:54 PM, said:

Guys... can we Sticky this topic?

All in all -- I realized that I don't like to 'lose control' and I don't like to make myself feel bad. I won't do drugs again. Please make this topic sticky'ed, hopefully it'll spare another fella the agony.

Some drugs you can do, some ya can't.
Nomis is the only guy I've ever heard of who had an ok trip on hallucinogens.
But then again consider the source.........
E-dog (seemingly born on LSD)

[nomis]

 E-DOG, on Jul 8 2008, 04:21 PM, said:

But then again consider the source....

Maybe that should be sauce.

Some here are posting real concerns taken from their own experiences with hallucinogens and I think it's important to take serious note of them. At the same time I want to clarify my position.

I've only ever taken LCD in the company of medical doctors (off duty) and I don't ever intend to try it again. The several "experiments" were richly rewarding but I too got strong spasms, leaving me exhausted. What I had was worth it but I'm no longer interested to go through that again.

A couple of other times I had E with those same supports. Spasm was present but not too bad. The experience changed my life for the better, possibly the most significant realization in my life. But I felt drained the next day and I wouldn't do it again. I don't think it did my body any good.

Mushrooms was a different situation - I was travelling and less responsible with the risk. The first time in Mexico was miserable, hours of exhausting spasms on a river bank which is not a safe environment. A couple of later experiences were in a safer situation and were rather gentle. But the danger of mistakenly eating a poisonous fungi is not worth doing it again.

Any SCI person dabbling with these hallucinogens should be very cautious because it's obvious that strong spasms are common and may hinder breathing or cause severe bruising. Anyone still intending to experiment should go to great lengths to ensure a super safe environment including soft surroundings and knowledgeable friends with you.

To sum that up, I wouldn't have missed the experiences but it is risky and now having experienced it I'm not going near it again.

[E-DOG]

 nomis, on Jul 8 2008, 03:30 AM, said:

 E-DOG, on Jul 8 2008, 04:21 PM, said:

But then again consider the source....

Maybe that should be sauce.

Some here are posting real concerns taken from their own experiences with hallucinogens and I think it's important to take serious note of them. At the same time I want to clarify my position.

I've only ever taken LCD in the company of medical doctors (off duty) and I don't ever intend to try it again. The several "experiments" were richly rewarding but I too got strong spasms, leaving me exhausted. What I had was worth it but I'm no longer interested to go through that again.

A couple of other times I had E with those same supports. Spasm was present but not too bad. The experience changed my life for the better, possibly the most significant realization in my life. But I felt drained the next day and I wouldn't do it again. I don't think it did my body any good.

Mushrooms was a different situation - I was travelling and less responsible with the risk. The first time in Mexico was miserable, hours of exhausting spasms on a river bank which is not a safe environment. A couple of later experiences were in a safer situation and were rather gentle. But the danger of mistakenly eating a poisonous fungi is not worth doing it again.

Any SCI person dabbling with these hallucinogens should be very cautious because it's obvious that strong spasms are common and may hinder breathing or cause severe bruising. Anyone still intending to experiment should go to great lengths to ensure a super safe environment including soft surroundings and knowledgeable friends with you.

To sum that up, I wouldn't have missed the experiences but it is risky and now having experienced it I'm not going near it again.

Much better.
Thanx for the elucidation.
E-dog

[bry]

I'm a C5-C6 complete and So I've had trouble with the spasms too while tripping either acid or mushrooms. My legs sticking straight out and shake relentlessly and my only fix is to strap them to my chair with a belt. My abdomen and back were flexing back and forth, I did have to urinate a lot so a condom cath helps. The worst parts are my fingers clenching (quad's) and the heating up. Once I was tripping outside in cold cold weather with no shirt on and still hot. And you know how most quads are, so I knew this was not normal.

Don't get me wrong I did love it you feel so free and clear, but this is a big risk. So remember KNOW YOUR BODY, KNOW YOUR MIND, KNOW YOUR DRUG. Be absolutely sure some one will be with you to help and DON'T go out in public.

My scientific theory for what causes this is that Psychedelics like acid even E cause a random synapse or firing of the nerves in your brain and cerebrum which controls a lot of bodily functions. So when one doesn't have any control over the firing of nerves linking to the control of paralyzed limbs in the first place and acid is introduced and causes random firing you get CRAZY spasms for 6 HOURS straight.

So if your in it deep I say take meds for spasms, stay cool (wet towels work), and enjoy the ride.

[Mark_gg_daniels]

Hey all

Wow - gald i found this thread... great to talk about drugs with other SCI people, as for us its a slightly different experience

My drug of chouice is alcohol, but i dabble with others occasionally. I found that Ecstasy didnt make my legs go nuts, until after a few hours... one night I had to lay down as the spasms was making me so knackered, but i found that having a beer seemed to solve it. I think the scientific explanation is that beer suprreses your nervous syste, so counters the effect.

I went to Amsterdam and we all bought some shrooms... I wasnt sure how I was going to react, so only tried about half of one, and half a n hour-hour later - my legs started going again but not very intense.... I imagine that if I had had a lot more they would have went crazy! Again, maybe having a few drinks alongside would solve the issue.... but I just decided shrooms wernt for me as leg spasm isnt pleasent for me, and causes my whole bod to shake..... and makes people im with worry about me!

For me, Im going to stick to a few pints and possibly a spliff and a line every now ang again.... I probably will be up for an E again in the future, but not v often (ill have to be pissed and raving to some hard trance or something equally as ear damaging)

great thread... and good that everyones so bloody honest, thats what we need!

[AndrewB]

I had to go to the hospital for eating 2 gel tabs of Acid.. it was a horrible experiance!.. before my injury i tripped all the time.. but yes i must agree its not a good idea for quads or para's to trip.. it sends all kinds of impulses through your CNS.

[HandicapHero]

Interesting thread.

I'm a para and I always hate the spasms that accompany psychotropics.. The worst time I've ever had was only a few weeks ago.. I ordered Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds and consumed them. They contain LSA (Lysergic Acid Amides), the trip is very similar to the effects of LSD, but with waaaaaay more spasms.. I had to get out of my chair and into bed as my legs and stomach were clenched and vibrating nonstop. I was overheating and sweating profusely. It wasn't until I puked that I started to feel a little relief.

I'm curious if anyone here has experimented with salvia or DMT? I have ordered both from the internet and it would be nice to get some information about how these substances effect quad/paraplegics.

Thanks in advance.

[Kev-O]

Has anyone taken salvia since there SCI? My friend just bought some salvia X15 an i am dieing to try it. Any advice or tips?

[HandicapHero]

 Kev-O, on Feb 24 2009, 02:50 PM, said:

Has anyone taken salvia since there SCI? My friend just bought some salvia X15 an i am dieing to try it. Any advice or tips?

I just ordered some 45x myself. I've been injured for 5 years now and I never did salvia pre-injury, so I was nervous myself the first time. It was really really fun. Just make sure that you transfer over to a couch or bed before taking your first rip. It comes with a very strong feeling of being pushed around. As long as you make sure that you are in a safe spot and mentally prepared for a trip, you'll be fine.

Have Fun!

I'll post the results of my DMT experience once I've done it.

Anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with the spasms of psychotropics like LSD, MDMA, and Psilocybin.

[Kev-O]

 HandicapHero, on Mar 2 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

 Kev-O, on Feb 24 2009, 02:50 PM, said:

Has anyone taken salvia since there SCI? My friend just bought some salvia X15 an i am dieing to try it. Any advice or tips?

I just ordered some 45x myself. I've been injured for 5 years now and I never did salvia pre-injury, so I was nervous myself the first time. It was really really fun. Just make sure that you transfer over to a couch or bed before taking your first rip. It comes with a very strong feeling of being pushed around. As long as you make sure that you are in a safe spot and mentally prepared for a trip, you'll be fine.

Have Fun!

I'll post the results of my DMT experience once I've done it.

Anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with the spasms of psychotropics like LSD, MDMA, and Psilocybin.

Hell yeah man thanks for the info.

[E-DOG]

My god! Dope addicts! Tisk, Tisk, Tisk.

[Lol Hare]

Nearly 20 years ago E's seemed to have a stronger effect,maybe a bit of help by placebo effect as they went hand in hand with the Rave scene which was underground alot,fun times!! Alcahol has a worse after effect now on me as it seems to stay with me all the next day as well with increased spasms but at the time they seem to have the same effect as in muscle relaxing all night,i guess everyone is diferrent and yes everyone should know their own body,i have to stay in bed write the next day off if i had a big night out,like 2 or 3 E's (usually best taken 1/2's at a time) along with around 6-8 bottles and a couple of shots or JD etc and get to bet at around 5 or 6 am or later! then again anyone would huh? its just worse!
ps like LUCKY ,i saw the documentery on the guy with tourettes who took E's (Pills) and it totally calm him,it was fascinating

Edited by Lol Hare, 16 March 2009 - 12:37 PM.

[nomis]

 Lol Hare, on Mar 17 2009, 01:28 AM, said:

...i saw the documentery on the guy with tourettes who took E's (Pills) and it totally calm him,it was fascinating

Saw a doco where it dramaticaly improved on Parkinsons but each subsequent time the effect was less. Also, only worked on some. But interesting for further research.

[RobR]

Thank you for the information.

I tried mushrooms a few weeks ago and while sitting my left leg was bouncing like a person who taps it nervously. The entire trip while sitting was very moderate (I ate around 3.5 grams around 10 at night) with some visuals like the tile floor twisting and moving. Several hours later when I went to bed things got interesting.

Having shroomed before I knew what to expect, crawling around in my head an such, but this was fun. My legs were locked straight but that didn't bother me, I spent the entire time figuring out my life since I have only been injured 5 months. A light from my television lit up the wall and made a comforting "face" of blue.

I think lying down made the mushrooms take their full effect. As I lay in bed I would look at my watch to notice hours pass in a matter of minutes, and man oh man the face of my watch was distorted. I felt as my alarms were going off very quickly after each other as I took my meds and cathed. I think finally fell asleep sometime around 8 in the morning and restlessly "slept" until 7 at night.

I want to try LSD still and with what yall have said I have more information on how to do it safely. I am a very laid back person and have never been scared by trips, in fact I think this makes them even more fun.

The bit about the cleansing ritual sounds interesting and I think I will try that in order to "get more from it" if you will. This is my first post by the way, I'm Rob. I realized I just pissed myself (damn UTIs) so I have to go take care of that.

Again, thank you very much. I'll be sure and let you all know how my trip goes.

[jfoc]

Hey, my brother was a quadrapalegic, C-4 C-5. He decided to drop acid for the first time this September and he was dead the next morning... It's still not excatly clear what happened, but it's too much of a coincidence to not be the acid. I wish he would have checked this site out first, but it's too late for him... I can, however, prevent it from happening to anyone else, so I will warn anyone with a spinal cord injury not to take lsd or any other psychadaelic drug, please. I'm sure there are too many people that love and care for you to risk for an acid trip.

[LeahC]

 jfoc, on Oct 21 2009, 06:48 AM, said:

Hey, my brother was a quadrapalegic, C-4 C-5. He decided to drop acid for the first time this September and he was dead the next morning... It's still not excatly clear what happened, but it's too much of a coincidence to not be the acid. I wish he would have checked this site out first, but it's too late for him... I can, however, prevent it from happening to anyone else, so I will warn anyone with a spinal cord injury not to take lsd or any other psychadaelic drug, please. I'm sure there are too many people that love and care for you to risk for an acid trip.

I take a lot of drugs (I mean when I do take them, not every day lol or even every week) and I've never died.

[greybeard]

 LeahC, on Oct 22 2009, 05:20 PM, said:

 jfoc, on Oct 21 2009, 06:48 AM, said:

Hey, my brother was a quadrapalegic, C-4 C-5. He decided to drop acid for the first time this September and he was dead the next morning... It's still not excatly clear what happened, but it's too much of a coincidence to not be the acid. I wish he would have checked this site out first, but it's too late for him... I can, however, prevent it from happening to anyone else, so I will warn anyone with a spinal cord injury not to take lsd or any other psychadaelic drug, please. I'm sure there are too many people that love and care for you to risk for an acid trip.

I take a lot of drugs (I mean when I do take them, not every day lol or even every week) and I've never died.

...........yet!!!!!!!

[LeahC]

 greybeard, on Oct 22 2009, 06:03 PM, said:

 LeahC, on Oct 22 2009, 05:20 PM, said:

 jfoc, on Oct 21 2009, 06:48 AM, said:

Hey, my brother was a quadrapalegic, C-4 C-5. He decided to drop acid for the first time this September and he was dead the next morning... It's still not excatly clear what happened, but it's too much of a coincidence to not be the acid. I wish he would have checked this site out first, but it's too late for him... I can, however, prevent it from happening to anyone else, so I will warn anyone with a spinal cord injury not to take lsd or any other psychadaelic drug, please. I'm sure there are too many people that love and care for you to risk for an acid trip.

I take a lot of drugs (I mean when I do take them, not every day lol or even every week) and I've never died.

...........yet!!!!!!!

People take risks every day, someone could could die getting out of bed, slip bang their head! xx

[KronicMayhem]

Hey whats up, i found this forum while researching the effects of magic mushrooms on paraplegics. I myself was paralyzed in a motorbike accident when i tried to jump a street bike off a 15 foot embankment at 100kph, didn't land it to well but it seemed like a good idea at the time (alcohol assisted).

I have tried doing mushrooms twice in the past since my accident but both times only did a couple pieces to just test out their effects on me, both times my legs started stretching, tensing and bouncing like crazy. So i started researching the effects on others that have done larger amounts cause in a week or so I'm going to be doing them again (6-8 grams i hope) and am hoping i do enough to overcome the spastic legs and allow me to trip.

I have found all the posts in this thread very useful and now have an excellent idea of what i should be expecting. I have done mushrooms/acid pre-injury and loved them without end, doing them was like setting life aside for awhile and just having a blast. While in the chair i have done E on numerous occasions and as long as the E was a good mix of whatever was in it I would have an awesome time on it, there would be some minor leg bouncing and spasms but drinking alcohol at the same time could calm that down alot.

Anyways just wanted to thanks all who posted their experiences and say that i will be capturing this trip on video and will hopefully be uploading it to the net and could post a vid on here also that could be used to show the effects of shrooms on us paralyzed folks.

Thanks


Brandon.

[E-DOG]

 KronicMayhem, on Mar 16 2010, 11:38 AM, said:

Hey whats up, i found this forum while researching the effects of magic mushrooms on paraplegics. I myself was paralyzed in a motorbike accident when i tried to jump a street bike off a 15 foot embankment at 100kph, didn't land it to well but it seemed like a good idea at the time (alcohol assisted).

I have tried doing mushrooms twice in the past since my accident but both times only did a couple pieces to just test out their effects on me, both times my legs started stretching, tensing and bouncing like crazy. So i started researching the effects on others that have done larger amounts cause in a week or so I'm going to be doing them again (6-8 grams i hope) and am hoping i do enough to overcome the spastic legs and allow me to trip.

I have found all the posts in this thread very useful and now have an excellent idea of what i should be expecting. I have done mushrooms/acid pre-injury and loved them without end, doing them was like setting life aside for awhile and just having a blast. While in the chair i have done E on numerous occasions and as long as the E was a good mix of whatever was in it I would have an awesome time on it, there would be some minor leg bouncing and spasms but drinking alcohol at the same time could calm that down alot.

Anyways just wanted to thanks all who posted their experiences and say that i will be capturing this trip on video and will hopefully be uploading it to the net and could post a vid on here also that could be used to show the effects of shrooms on us paralyzed folks.

Thanks


Brandon.

Pal, I'm a devout atheist.
But I think I'll pray for you anyway.

[greybeard]

 KronicMayhem, on Mar 16 2010, 07:38 PM, said:

Hey whats up, i found this forum while researching the effects of magic mushrooms on paraplegics. I myself was paralyzed in a motorbike accident when i tried to jump a street bike off a 15 foot embankment at 100kph, didn't land it to well but it seemed like a good idea at the time (alcohol assisted).

I have tried doing mushrooms twice in the past since my accident but both times only did a couple pieces to just test out their effects on me, both times my legs started stretching, tensing and bouncing like crazy. So i started researching the effects on others that have done larger amounts cause in a week or so I'm going to be doing them again (6-8 grams i hope) and am hoping i do enough to overcome the spastic legs and allow me to trip.

I have found all the posts in this thread very useful and now have an excellent idea of what i should be expecting. I have done mushrooms/acid pre-injury and loved them without end, doing them was like setting life aside for awhile and just having a blast. While in the chair i have done E on numerous occasions and as long as the E was a good mix of whatever was in it I would have an awesome time on it, there would be some minor leg bouncing and spasms but drinking alcohol at the same time could calm that down alot.

Anyways just wanted to thanks all who posted their experiences and say that i will be capturing this trip on video and will hopefully be uploading it to the net and could post a vid on here also that could be used to show the effects of shrooms on us paralyzed folks.

Thanks


Brandon.

Are there any tests you can do to see if your brain is damaged ( but it could be too late !! )?

[dangerousdave]

Are there any tests you can do to see if your brain is damaged ( but it could be too late !! )?

Hows about it E-Dog
You gotta be the expert on this one - send donations toooooooo
www.e-dog/scull hammer test.co.usa

But back to us druggies
I have never had nice hallucinations - neither prescribed or unprescribed
Infact morphine lille drives me insane
As for coke - just don't see the point
Cannabis - now your talkin - great for medical use and if vaped - hightened visual and sound perseption without the hangups of hallucinations

[goldnucs]

For any trips I recommend a really good portable shower chair....sorry, couldn't help myself...LOL

r

[ultranaut]

i ate 2 grams of shrooms last weekend just to try it out for the first time... im a t-11 para. and for the first 45 mins i was fine then all of a sudden i started getting leg spasms.... so i went to my bedroom and layed in bed for the next hour. still havein intense spasms my legs were jumpin around like they were wanting to dance lol... so i drank about 1/2 a gallon of water to help my self throw up. after this expirence i would not recomend anyone with a sci to do them unless you like uncontrolable body movement that is very noticable in public and some what uncomfortable...

[dubstepkid]

Im 19 and drugs used to be a big source of fun for me. After reading this and being a frequent user of E pre injury ive decided that some spasms are more than worth it for that little slice of heaven in pill form [look the pills up on pillreports.com before taking if your gonna do it!!!].

Im gonna drop E, ill let you know how it goes.

I only did shrooms once before and it was my favorite thing ive ever done pre injury, will also try that again and tell you what happened.

ill keep booze handy to counter the spazy's and ill tape some of my trip for science ;P

<3 dubstepkid

p.s. any ravers in chairs besides me?

[LeahC]

Seeing as MDMA is now impossible to obtain due to one of the ingredients being illegal as well as MDMA beeing illegal I wonder what is in pills these days. That mephedrome is nice, but now illegal so hard to get pure!

[rue2you]

When I had my baby, I had to have a C-section. They were having a very hard time getting me medicated properly and so the anesthesiologists told my hubby that they emptied the medicine cabinet on me. He told us it was the medicinal equivalent of LSD. All I know is that I felt like I was under a bed and someone was pushing a mattress on my face. I could not breathe, I could not swallow, I could not move my hands...I really thought I was dying. Ever since that surgery (a little over a year ago), I constantly have floaters in my eyes, I can still go from being fine to suddenly my ears ringing, feeling like I am going to black out, going from freezing cold to sweating like crazy, feeling like I am moving when I am not, and my heart will suddenly feel like it is racing in my chest (although it is not racing when you feel my pulse). I know it has to do with the drugs they gave me. I had never ever had surgery before and I was not used to any meds. I think it really has done a number on my body. These things have slowly gotten much better. My ears don't ring as loud, I don't feel like I'm going to pass out now, etc. But I never had any of these things before the surgery so I can see a clear connection. Maybe I am wrong but I don't think so.

My opinion - it's awful!! I don't know why anyone in their right mind would choose to do it on purpose!

Edited by rue2you, 17 August 2010 - 02:10 PM.