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[dom]

i see on the news today they are introducing fines in my neck of the woods [south east uk] for parking in disabled bay offendors and child and parent bays!
i think its high time this was implemented and they are already doing it in ashford,kent,the fine is £60 which a lot of people feel to be quite severe,what do you think?to my mind maybe £30 seems less harsh but would deter a repeat offence

[JustaBill]

Handicapped parking is a joke here in the U.S. I've seen perfectly AB dudes jump out of their cars, trotting into the store bragging to their friends "It's no problem, it's my Grandfather's hang tag!" Call the cops and they tell you right out that they won't bother writing a ticket because the grandfather will just go into court and say that he was in the store or where ever and the driver was picking him up.

Biggest problem is that in most jurisdictions it's not about protecting the right to access, it's about filling the coffers.

Handicapped tags/placards are just to easy to get. It seems like every little old lady that can't run anymore has one. So the abuse runs rampent.

[kewlcatkez]

Hi Dom,

To be honest, its refreshing that they are towing the line and falling in with the scheduled shake up of fines etc ( March 31st). I posted it in the other thread about parking, the revenge one). Now, the changes will only affect the side of the road parking etc etc, but those who abuse disabled spaces or double yellows will be considered as committing a higher penalty. Soooo, of course Carparks belonging to say ASDA, Tesco, Sainsburys etc are not covered by the legislation. Therefore any attempt by them to introduce such measures, I welcome.

The only qualms I have are that they will find it difficult to police and will likely ( if at all) depend on other customers 'dobbing' the offenders in. and other similar issues...

If the regular spaces weren't so tiny, making chair assembling impossible etc, it wouldn't be such a big problem. Oh and of course of drivers of Land Rovers and other such vehicles actually looked out for smaller people ( be it chair users of kids etc) parking in a disabled bay wouldn't be such a necessity.

It actually made me LOL the other day when listening to the radio about the March 31 parking law changes. Many people were bitching about the fines for yellow line parking and abuse of Disabled parking. One even said that she often used a disabled space because she didn't like to get her hair wet! - these people deserve a fine, if they wish to avoid such fines then its simple, they should not flout the laws,

Of course, I am well aware of some of the more ambiguous aspects of parking legislation, but those obvious ones take the biscuit IMO..

Take care,

K


ALSO, I see where you are coming from with regards to the £60 being harsh and opting for a say £30 one. However, In my humble opinion, these people need harsh as if it is not damaging to them financially for instance, they will not change their parking habits! thinking about it, I go in favour of points on Licences for those who repeatedly offend! That leaves room for those who forgot to put their badge out on display but hits those who flout the law and don;t give two hoots, right where it hurts...5 points a go and they will be losing their licence after a couple of careless " just parking for one minute" s... LOL Sorry, this irks me, did you guess?? Muuwahhhhh...

Edited by kewlcatkez, 15 January 2008 - 11:16 PM.

[russ1]

kewlcatkez, on Jan 15 2008, 11:12 PM, said:

The only qualms I have are that they will find it difficult to police and will likely ( if at all) depend on other customers 'dobbing' the offenders in. and other similar issues...

They're employing a private firm of clampers like the local councils do so I suspect policing won't be the issue and they certainly won't just be waiting for complaints or using their own staff. The problem they'll have is keeping customers onside. I'd just love to see some wheelclamps on cars in disabled spots - not only costing them a packet but turning their I'll only be 5 minutes into a 3 hour wait for release :-)

[dom]

kewlcatkez, on Jan 15 2008, 11:12 PM, said:

Hi Dom,

To be honest, its refreshing that they are towing the line and falling in with the scheduled shake up of fines etc ( March 31st). I posted it in the other thread about parking, the revenge one). Now, the changes will only affect the side of the road parking etc etc, but those who abuse disabled spaces or double yellows will be considered as committing a higher penalty. Soooo, of course Carparks belonging to say ASDA, Tesco, Sainsburys etc are not covered by the legislation. Therefore any attempt by them to introduce such measures, I welcome.

The only qualms I have are that they will find it difficult to police and will likely ( if at all) depend on other customers 'dobbing' the offenders in. and other similar issues...

If the regular spaces weren't so tiny, making chair assembling impossible etc, it wouldn't be such a big problem. Oh and of course of drivers of Land Rovers and other such vehicles actually looked out for smaller people ( be it chair users of kids etc) parking in a disabled bay wouldn't be such a necessity.

It actually made me LOL the other day when listening to the radio about the March 31 parking law changes. Many people were bitching about the fines for yellow line parking and abuse of Disabled parking. One even said that she often used a disabled space because she didn't like to get her hair wet! - these people deserve a fine, if they wish to avoid such fines then its simple, they should not flout the laws,

Of course, I am well aware of some of the more ambiguous aspects of parking legislation, but those obvious ones take the biscuit IMO..

Take care,

K


ALSO, I see where you are coming from with regards to the £60 being harsh and opting for a say £30 one. However, In my humble opinion, these people need harsh as if it is not damaging to them financially for instance, they will not change their parking habits! thinking about it, I go in favour of points on Licences for those who repeatedly offend! That leaves room for those who forgot to put their badge out on display but hits those who flout the law and don;t give two hoots, right where it hurts...5 points a go and they will be losing their licence after a couple of careless " just parking for one minute" s... LOL Sorry, this irks me, did you guess?? Muuwahhhhh...

hi k,yes i was rethinking about this today and £60 is a fair fine,after all people know they should'nt be in these spaces and i think if i am right it goes to charity so all in all a good thing

[WilliamLX]

dom, on Jan 14 2008, 05:58 PM, said:

i see on the news today they are introducing fines in my neck of the woods [south east uk] for parking in disabled bay offendors and child and parent bays!
i think its high time this was implemented and they are already doing it in ashford,kent,the fine is £60 which a lot of people feel to be quite severe,what do you think?to my mind maybe £30 seems less harsh but would deter a repeat offence

Just looked this up. It is one store in London, but they plan to introduce this across England. There is no mention of clamps, but I can see no way in which they could enforce fines for parking in a private car park. Sadly my experience of ASDA is that they encourage abuse of disabled bays by having so many of them that they seriously inconvenience the majority of shoppers, thus encouraging people to ignore the signs and park in them.

[russ1]

WilliamLX, on Jan 16 2008, 09:29 PM, said:

Just looked this up. It is one store in London, but they plan to introduce this across England. There is no mention of clamps, but I can see no way in which they could enforce fines for parking in a private car park.

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The Herald Jan 17
A major supermarket is to fine drivers £60 at its stores in Scotland if they wrongly park in a space reserved for parents with young children or the disabled.

Asda is to use private firm Town and City Parking, licensed by the DVLA to issue civil penalties, to enforce the fines which are due to be introduced at the end of March.

The company will be entitled to chase up non-payment of the fines through the courts.

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The Daily Mail 10th Jan
Asda will fine drivers £60 for parking in its disabled or parent and child spaces when they shouldn't, it was announced today.

The supermarket is rolling out the penalty nationwide from Monday following a trial at six stores.

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This is London.co.uk
Asda will fine drivers £60 for parking in its disabled or parent and child spaces when they shouldn't, it was announced today.

The supermarket is rolling out the penalty nationwide from Monday following a trial at six stores.

The roll-out starts in north London on Monday and will be in force at all relevant Asda stores by mid-March.

The enforcement of fines in a private car park is relatively simple and is done in thousands of private car parks across the country by licenced firms.
http://www.landor.co...mages/bill2.pdf

Edited by russ1, 17 January 2008 - 11:09 AM.

[kewlcatkez]

russ1, on Jan 16 2008, 11:00 AM, said:

kewlcatkez, on Jan 15 2008, 11:12 PM, said:

The only qualms I have are that they will find it difficult to police and will likely ( if at all) depend on other customers 'dobbing' the offenders in. and other similar issues...

They're employing a private firm of clampers like the local councils do so I suspect policing won't be the issue and they certainly won't just be waiting for complaints or using their own staff. The problem they'll have is keeping customers onside. I'd just love to see some wheelclamps on cars in disabled spots - not only costing them a packet but turning their I'll only be 5 minutes into a 3 hour wait for release :-)

Hi,

I actually had a look at the ASDA 'signs' in their disabled bay area and Lo and Behold they also say bold ( how did I miss that one, aside from its quite high up!) that there is a fixed Penalty of £60 yadda yadda. Thinking back these signs were put up a few months ago when the carpark was re marked. I am just wondering if the reason I have NEVER seen an offender being clamped ( despite reporting them!) Perhaps they were put in ahead of this new stance, when as I said the c/park was redone, to save hassle? and that they are going top be enforcing it soon too?

The probs with that argument is that its too much to expect that they will have thought ahead that much, lol, and if this is the case, they are going to have their work cut out for them as people repeat offend at this asda and are used to parking under these signs with no issue,...


I hope that they are going to enforce it here!


Take care,

K

[edlee]

Laws/fines mean nothing if the tickets aren't issued. How do you light a fire under those donut munchers, fat asses????
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