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[melash]

My husband has a foley cathetor in all the time.But it seems he always has a U.T.I.Once he was on anti boitics for ten weeks then the doctor just didn't check his urine again.Till the next infection was out of control.5 different anti boitics didnt clear it up what will?We went to see a uroligist and he said there was nothing wrong everything looked good.We continue to go see him once a year!But what else can I do?Will his test ever come back negative for a kind of U.T.I?

[Motor]

melash, on Feb 17 2008, 11:16 PM, said:

My husband has a foley cathetor in all the time.But it seems he always has a U.T.I.Once he was on anti boitics for ten weeks then the doctor just didn't check his urine again.Till the next infection was out of control.5 different anti boitics didnt clear it up what will?We went to see a uroligist and he said there was nothing wrong everything looked good.We continue to go see him once a year!But what else can I do?Will his test ever come back negative for a kind of U.T.I?

First of all I see my urologist every 6 weeks. I also had a problem with UTIs and bladder infections. I decided to go with a supa pubic cath and haven't had a UTI in a year! I take perscription Mandelamine & Cranberry pills daily. I drink approx 1 gallon of water a day so I am flusing regularly. Also make sure to wear gloves, antibacterial soap and Gem X alcohol hand sanitizer before and after touching foley. That worked for me . Good Luck!

[longhaul]

melash I use to get uti's all the time but now I don't and what I do is take four olive leaf extract 250MG capsules and a teaspoon of the Cleartract in the morning and evening. Here are links to check them out http://www.cleartrac.../howitworks.htm http://www.suzannes....lnatleafex.html These products are safe I have used them for years and they work.

[kewlcatkez]

Hi,

so sorry to see that your hubby is having problems with a UTI or recurrent ones. I do empathise since I get recurrent pyelonephritis.

As for your question, often when catheters are used, the bladder can become colonised and can test positive for infection pretty much all the time. In these cases the dr will treat the symptomatic 'infections' but will not treat it at other times ( unless there are other factors) since research goes with colonisation eg of research here.

It is pertinent that hubby is tested for stones. There is a post thread yesterday about how to cheer s friend up or something like that, and it has info on infections, including those which may be due to stones ( bladder or Kidney). etc,.(http://www.apparelyz...indpost&p=52298) and here

As for the things discussed above,.
Water is of course recommended to assist in flushing out a UTI and to help prevent them to start with. Of course catheters, intermittent, SP, but especially indwelling urethral are all risk factors to getting a UTI. I have to admit that I get Pyelonephritis quite often and it is in part due to my not drining enough, some of the time .

When it comes to health ( UTI and other factors), there is always a place for responsibly obtained, responsibly marketed and properly used Natural and complimentary Therapies. The key word is "responsible".

Many people have had success whilst taking cranberry capsules and or drinking a couple of glasses of cranberry juice a day. However, that is the responsible way to take this for treating UTIs. Research and anecdotal advice has indicated that taking high(er) doses than the two capsules/two large glasses a day are of no further use and may in fact mask UTI when it occurs of cause other difficulties ( ie high sugar content in juices etc).

If you go on to read the links and quotes below, you will find that the advise is that Cranberry, if at all, is only really helpful for the prophylaxis of UTIs rather that the treatment per se.

Picking up the point about responsible use and marketing which I mentioned above. If a person has underlying issues which affect the way in which their body can recognise and fight UTIs or other infections/conditions, please note:Drs and RNs ( me included) state that it is important to ensure that you have some sort of conventional treatment when at a certain point of the infection process. What I mean is that if you are taking 'herbs' etc to prevent an infection, or even in the early stages of one, then that is responsible. However if you are at the mid or latter stages of one it may not be the most wise decision. I refer to those of us with 'compromised' health ( ie in chest infection, compromised is when for example your diaphragm not able to function adequately, or have poor intercostal muscle function of chest. In a UTI, compromised may be when you have little on no control over peeing and pooing, reduced circulation due to immobility, reduced/no sensation to genital and or flank areas, etc) This is not meant to be a full list, just my wittering to try and explain, so excuse it, pls
Of course everyone is different. Just like some ABs will be sensible enough to take complimentary therapy, some will not and the same for the dis community.

I truly think that the world has all the plants, herbs and medicines contained in it that we need or which can be fashioned to fit our needs. Some may not have been found as yet, they may be in the rain forests, others may need combination with man made ingredients.

i tend to think that many things work in harmony with others, hence why cannabis and other 'herbs' ( such as cranberry, and salvia work for many.)


Please read the following if you are interested in Cranberry: Cranberry to Prevent UTI -May 2006 147 4 HERE

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Bandolier first looked at the efficacy of cranberry juice in preventing urinary tract infections in issue 6, a little while ago. Subsequent research proved to be sporadic and complicated, but a sensible clinical picture now appears to be emerging, so it seems a useful time for an update, and a quick Bandolier review.

Cranberry juice in various forms has been tested for various different effects in different situations. What we can say, with reasonable certainty, is that cranberry juice does not affect urinary tract infection rates in people with neurogenic bladder; a number of randomised trials all come to the same conclusion. Nor does cranberry juice seem to affect bacterial colonisation or infectious diseases generally in children.

The one area where there appears to be consistent benefit is in preventing urinary tract infection in susceptible women.

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What is interesting is the consistency of effect between these four trials, conducted in different patients, in different countries, over different periods, and using different cranberry products, although all the patients were at increased risk of urinary tract infection. In each the number of urinary tract infections was reduced by about half. In practical terms, it means that for every 10 women at increased risk of urinary tract infection who take cranberry juice daily for six or 12 months, one fewer will have a urinary tract infection.

Two further thoughts. One is about issues of validity in clinical trials, and two [1,4] have now shown less impressive effects over the short term. Any future trials should reflect the likely longer-term use, though it was entirely reasonable to conduct a short term study in hospital patients [4], in whom a long stay was unlikely.

The second is how we can express these results to women who might want to consider using cranberry juice themselves. Perhaps we should say that over six months to a year of cranberry juice use:

7 out of 10 women wouldn't have a urinary tract infection anyway
2 out of 10 women will have a urinary tract infection anyway
1 out of 10 women will not have a urinary tract infection because they used cranberry juice
Maybe this expresses both the fact that it works, but that it is no miracle cure, and won't work for everyone, always.

also, check out the Mayo clinic : HERE

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here is some human evidence supporting the use of cranberry juice and cranberry supplements to prevent urinary tract infection (UTI), although most available studies are of poor quality. There are no clear dosing guidelines, but given the safety of cranberry, it may be reasonable to recommend the use of moderate amounts of cranberry juice cocktail to prevent UTI in non-chronically ill individuals.

Cranberry has not been shown effective as a treatment for documented UTI. Although cranberry may be used as an adjunct therapy in some cases, given the proven efficacy of antibiotics, cranberry should not be considered a first line treatment.

Cranberry has been investigated for numerous other medicinal uses, and promising areas of investigation include prevention of H. pylori infection, which causes gastrointestinal ulcers and dental plaque.

Anyway, I hope this helps,

Take care,

K

edited to add link..

Edited by kewlcatkez, 18 February 2008 - 10:39 AM.

[longhaul]

K the active ingredient in cranberry s is D-manos a sugar that keeps the bacteria from adhering too the bladder wall. There isn't enough in cranberry juice or caps to cure an infection but pure D-manos will. I have never had an infection that it won't cure and I have had plenty.

[kewlcatkez]

longhaul, on Feb 19 2008, 04:23 AM, said:

K the active ingredient in cranberry s is D-manos a sugar that keeps the bacteria from adhering too the bladder wall. There isn't enough in cranberry juice or caps to cure an infection but pure D-manos will. I have never had an infection that it won't cure and I have had plenty.

Thank you for taking the time to reply, specifically to me. I have looked into Cranberry in its various forms, so I was aware of its constituents and action. I was just echoing that people who have underlying copromisation- medically, need to be very very careful. it is absolutely fab to use complimentary therapy - as just that. However, some people will refuse antibiotics and other medicinal help - which can be very dangerous, lethal even. I hope this clarifies things I DO support the use of lots of therapies, but ask for caution.

Take care,

K

[qbounce]

melash, on Feb 17 2008, 08:16 PM, said:

My husband has a foley cathetor in all the time.But it seems he always has a U.T.I.Once he was on anti boitics for ten weeks then the doctor just didn't check his urine again.Till the next infection was out of control.5 different anti boitics didnt clear it up what will?We went to see a uroligist and he said there was nothing wrong everything looked good.We continue to go see him once a year!But what else can I do?Will his test ever come back negative for a kind of U.T.I?

Melash,
you said that the urologist said everything looked fine the last visit, so maybe he has bladder spasms? In which case medication could be the answer.
Also, with his level of injury, why doesn't he try intermitant catheters. They statistically have fewer UTI's than indwelling, and have fewer cases of kidney/ bladder stone problems.
Keep in mind if you do switch to intermitant cath (IT), the hymen muscle will be weak due to the prolonged use of the folie, so he will have leakage up to a possible 10 days after you take it out.
Good luck

Edited by qbounce, 19 February 2008 - 07:12 PM.

[longhaul]

kewlcatkez, on Feb 19 2008, 02:53 AM, said:

longhaul, on Feb 19 2008, 04:23 AM, said:

K the active ingredient in cranberry s is D-manos a sugar that keeps the bacteria from adhering too the bladder wall. There isn't enough in cranberry juice or caps to cure an infection but pure D-manos will. I have never had an infection that it won't cure and I have had plenty.

Thank you for taking the time to reply, specifically to me. I have looked into Cranberry in its various forms, so I was aware of its constituents and action. I was just echoing that people who have underlying copromisation- medically, need to be very very careful. it is absolutely fab to use complimentary therapy - as just that. However, some people will refuse antibiotics and other medicinal help - which can be very dangerous, lethal even. I hope this clarifies things I DO support the use of lots of therapies, but ask for caution.

Take care,

K

Have you tried D-manos for an infection? I have been harmed more from traditional medicine than so called alternatives. Anti biotic s are over used and doctors hand them out like candy. I have had experience with both and to get rid of a bladder infection it's D-manos.

[kewlcatkez]

longhaul, on Feb 19 2008, 07:23 PM, said:

kewlcatkez, on Feb 19 2008, 02:53 AM, said:

longhaul, on Feb 19 2008, 04:23 AM, said:

K the active ingredient in cranberry s is D-manos a sugar that keeps the bacteria from adhering too the bladder wall. There isn't enough in cranberry juice or caps to cure an infection but pure D-manos will. I have never had an infection that it won't cure and I have had plenty.

Thank you for taking the time to reply, specifically to me. I have looked into Cranberry in its various forms, so I was aware of its constituents and action. I was just echoing that people who have underlying copromisation- medically, need to be very very careful. it is absolutely fab to use complimentary therapy - as just that. However, some people will refuse antibiotics and other medicinal help - which can be very dangerous, lethal even. I hope this clarifies things I DO support the use of lots of therapies, but ask for caution.

Take care,

K

Have you tried D-manos for an infection? I have been harmed more from traditional medicine than so called alternatives. Anti biotic s are over used and doctors hand them out like candy. I have had experience with both and to get rid of a bladder infection it's D-manos.

Hello again,

You fail to see that I agree with the use of D-mannose ( I presume that is what you mean) and also other therapies. People who are NOT immunosuppressed will likely do well allowing their bodies to fight it out. HOWEVER, I have nursed people who have played a dangerous game with their bodies, people who are compromised - as i said previously. I have also witnessed people with MRSA etc etc, however, in the group of compromised, such as SCI/D, especially where the lungs/diaphragm etc is involved, HIV, encephalitis, Diabetes, Renal insufficiency...etc etc In those people, the risk of the antibiotics becoming ineffective, or of damage due to their (proper) use, is LESS, significantly so, than if that particular group take medication/are treated with antibiotics etc..


So

Whilst it IS fine for the majority of the population to treat their UTI's with D-Mannose and other herbal etc therapies, For people with vulnerable or compromised bodies..well it is something which should not be entered into lightly..

That is what I was saying,

Your comments are traditional medicine are yours and you are entitled to them. However, I feel that you are being a bit harsh towards me. Knowing what I do know, I would not be doing anyone any favours, if I was not giving this view. People need and are deserving of a balanced view..so your view AND mine and others...


I hope this explains my viewpoint more clearly for you..

Take care,

K

it is worth pointing out that I do agree that the "handing antibiotics out like candy" is not the way to treat anyone. Also, most people will actually have a Viral infection, aS OPPOSED TO a bacterial one and as a result these people should not be given antibiotics just on a whim...

Edited by kewlcatkez, 19 February 2008 - 07:47 PM.