[longhaul]

I replaced the original wheels that came with the Froglegs on my chair with the "Soft roll wheels " they sell. I am impressed the old ones were noisy and I could feel every crack or pebble. These roll so easy and you can't hear them until you get on a pretty rough surface. The chair handles so much better it's amazing. They do great in gravel and don't dig in like the old ones did. These are well worth the price I paid 49$ U. S. for the 5x1.5.

[Hawkeye]

I agree. I have the Frog Legs forks on my 2HP chair, but have always used the hard plastic castors that it came with. I had no complaints, but I didn't know what I was missing.

A few weeks ago, I bought the aluminum hub solf roll castors in 6 X 1.5". Wow!!! What a difference. Best $100(USD) I ever spent on my chair.

They are quiet, roll just as easy as the hard plastic indoors, and I think they roll better outdoors. The slight bumps from small cracks or gravel, just seem to disappear.

Highly recomend them.

Joe

[Texaswheelz]

i have just the soft roll and no frog legs and it rolls like you described. I can roll over 1 inch cracks in the sidewalk and never noticed them, there are places that my old hard casters would have caused me to come to a screeching halt in, that now i just roll right over and not even notice it. I'll never go without soft rolls again and mine are just 4x1.5

[ryan08/06/88]

Has anyone got pics of what you guys are talking about?

Both the frogs legs and castors...I've never heard of them!

Cheers!

Ryan.

[ems]

I use the wide soft rolls too, they certainly make life a whole load easier. I had to replace the forks on my quickie to put them on, I have them on all my chairs now. Thinking about it I haven't fallen out forwards since I started using them a few yrs ago. Only thing is that over here in the UK Ian Laker wants 40 quid for them a set, whilst I use sportaid and get them for 20 quid a set. Bloody UK!!

ems

btw... http://www.sportaid.com/product.php?brand=...&mode=build

This post has been edited by ems: 15 March 2008 - 12:15 PM

[guest1]

ems, on Mar 15 2008, 12:14 PM, said:

I use the wide soft rolls too, they certainly make life a whole load easier. I had to replace the forks on my quickie to put them on, I have them on all my chairs now. Thinking about it I haven't fallen out forwards since I started using them a few yrs ago. Only thing is that over here in the UK Ian Laker wants 40 quid for them a set, whilst I use sportaid and get them for 20 quid a set. Bloody UK!!

ems

btw... http://www.sportaid.com/product.php?brand=...&mode=build

Why?

[guest1]

Seriously there are a load of technical details about castors, that could bore you for hours.

I don't see whats so special about froglegs, as far as I am aware they are a manufacturer and make a number of products, but most people say froglegs and mean floglegs suspension casters(castors if your from UK!) (I think they actually make 4 different types of castor/caster only one suspension type). I have not tried frogleg suspension castors, but I would guess they may effect steer and flutter of the castor, I don't know if the effect would be noticable or good or bad, but assume that its probably just an expensive gimmick?.

I won't go into details but will recount my fond memories of skateboarding before becoming crippled and useless. Anyways skateboard wheels always were made of poly urethane and you could order them by size and hardness and if you rode street you always went for the larger softer wheels than rideing a ramp as the ramp was smooth and streets were gritty and bumpy. Street wheels were 90A - 94A ramp wheels above 95A I don't know what the hardness scale used was though.

If you want really soft cators you can get pneumatic castor wheels, and the wider and larger the castor wheel the smoother and softer the ride, but the more energy you lose in pushing.

I think most soft castors wear out much quicker than normal castors so you end up replacing around three sets of softs for every hard set (though it obviously depends on what type you use).

Also I think Ems may be a fake who works for sport aid!!!!!!!!

Apart from the fact she?? got the wrong address for the froglegs try:

http://www.sportaid.com/search_list.php?br...sa&strID=38
http://www.sportaid.com/catalog/page28.sht...chair%20Casters

Obviously the items shown may be available cheaper elsewhere.

When I say castor I could mean castor wheel, castor leg, or castor assembly.

"E&OE I cannot be held responsible for the infomation provided, on average 30% of what I write or say is incorrect"

[ems]

Apart from the fact she?? got the wrong address for the froglegs try:

http://www.sportaid.com/search_list.php?br...sa&strID=38
http://www.sportaid.com/catalog/page28.sht...chair%20Casters

Ok.. well I certainly don't work for Sportaid, I use them because the prices in the UK are so high and they are one of a few nice companies who will actually ship to the UK. Oh, and the URL given was for the casters/castors made by Froglegs..not the Frogleg forks which is an entirely different subject altogether. If you would like to refer back to the subject heading... Frog Legs Soft Roll Wheels ... its the *wheels* we are discussing, and really whether or not a wide wheel ie 1.5" vs 1" wide wheel gives a better ride.
If you would like to once again refer back to my posting, I was giving my experiences of both types and my OPINION, and as it is just that - AN OPINION - you can hardly say I am right or wrong. This is what makes this site so special, its peoples opinions and experiences. In the mean time, instead of punching back at a post without giving it so much as to not even read the post correctly, why dont you start of by giving us your opinion on this matter!

Emma.
...yes I'm a she, though not a fake she, nor a fake anything.

[guest1]

ems, on Mar 15 2008, 04:24 PM, said:

Ok.. well I certainly don't work for Sportaid, I use them because the prices in the UK are so high and they are one of a few nice companies who will actually ship to the UK. Oh, and the URL given was for the casters/castors made by Froglegs..not the Frogleg forks which is an entirely different subject altogether. If you would like to refer back to the subject heading... Frog Legs Soft Roll Wheels ... its the *wheels* we are discussing, and really whether or not a wide wheel ie 1.5" vs 1" wide wheel gives a better ride.
If you would like to once again refer back to my posting, I was giving my experiences of both types and my OPINION, and as it is just that - AN OPINION - you can hardly say I am right or wrong. This is what makes this site so special, its peoples opinions and experiences. In the mean time, instead of punching back at a post without giving it so much as to not even read the post correctly, why dont you start of by giving us your opinion on this matter!

Emma.
...yes I'm a she, though not a fake she, nor a fake anything.

I love it when I wind someone up, it gives me the feeling that I can still have some effect on the world.

I was going to watch whacked out sports on 5 us+1 (motorcyclists trying to land on their heads and women running assault courses with squid stuffed in their stockings), but as you want my opinion......

If you want to move your chair on gravel or rough ground, get an electric chair or a powertrike, its just not worth tiring yourself out.

Most things are too complicated and technical and it depends on what type of use you put your chair to, but for most use (town pavements, and in the home) I would go for a 4.5" diameter 1.25" wide hard(ish) castor. In a basketball court you would want very hard and narrow wheels with a smaller rake (distance between castor pivot stem and centre of wheel (of course this will effect flutter as well)).

There are a million possible combinations depending how active you are, where you use your chair most, what you can afford, etc, etc.......

As far as froglegs:

http://www.froglegsinc.com/

I think there may be some engineering problems with the castor suspension system they use because the rake changes as the castor flexes, although it probably has little effect at the low speeds and rolling inertia of wheelchairs (I dunno ?).

I looked at another system that may be better at:

http://www.pantourhub.com/index.html

I am too poor to stump up the cash at present.

I think if you had a pantour castor hub with very hardwheels it may be better than the froglegs system?.

I can't really advise anyone as everyone has different needs.

Oh and after that mention about selling over price castor wheels at £40 a throw, you fail to mention the cost of postage from sportaid in america making £40 very reasonable. And as UK womens basketball coach I am going to make sure you never play on the team again for that remark!!!!!!!!


Regards

Ian Laker

[ems]

Funny, very funny cos Ian Laker did my Points assessment for basketball, If your really Ian Laker who did you first play for when you first started basketball? Who is your colleague in the other office that I play with? And where did you go to school?

This post has been edited by ems: 15 March 2008 - 07:26 PM

[kewlcatkez]

Mr Laker, I thought that you (he) whatever, was the FORMER Basketball coach for GB ?

[ems]

Gary Peel coaches Womens GB, Laker wouldn't have your attitude. So why don't you do yourself a favour and give your real name this time?? Oh yeah.. what was your first wifes name?



geez I like this game!

ems.

[qbounce]

Hey Guest1, Ian(whatever), looks like you've got a frogslegs stuck up your Ass. Maybe you should reserve your pokes for the more controversial forums, if it's changing the world your after. Impersonating a B-ball coach is just a little less than moving on this thread.

[guest1]

ems, on Mar 15 2008, 07:34 PM, said:

Gary Peel coaches Womens GB, Laker wouldn't have your attitude. So why don't you do yourself a favour and give your real name this time?? Oh yeah.. what was your first wifes name?



geez I like this game!

ems.

Yes its kewl, have I stirred up a hornets nest yet?.

I am Ian Laker, my first wifes name was freddie he ran an airline but we split up as he was always jetsetting off on his jets. My first basketball team was the harlem globe trotters, I played with Abe Saperstein as a small forward.

I went to school in paris where I picked up a penchant for cuisses de grenouille.

I hope that answers your questions as to the veracity of my name.

Regards

Ian

[ems]

As you don't know a thing about the person you are trying to say you are, I would just like to add one more thing, as everyone by now obviously knows your not who you say you are.
Ian doesn't even have a spinal cord injury. He uses a chair for other reasons. So why try to impersonate someone who would have no connection with this site anyway?

ems.

ems, on Mar 15 2008, 09:49 PM, said:

As you don't know a thing about the person you are trying to say you are, I would just like to add one more thing, as everyone by now obviously knows your not who you say you are.
Ian doesn't even have a spinal cord injury. He uses a chair for other reasons. So why try to impersonate someone who would have no connection with this site anyway?

ems.

Will someone get this nuthead off this site? Mr moderator?

[silone74]

Hi, i think that some people are just a waiste of life i dont know what this guy or scum as i would refer to them wanted to achieve here but i would like to get back to the post that it was meant to be,

I will soon be needing new casters and i too use sport aid for my parts in every 1's opinion would you go for the 1 1/2 inch wide over the 1 inch i have 1 inch at the moment not soft roll but 4"- 1" aluminium and feel every bump and crack in the pavement, i did get some frogleg forks but they ended up being abit too long for my every day tilite its a good job i got them very very cheap LOL


Thanks
Silone74

PS i am the real Silone74

[ems]

I LOVE my 4 x 1.5" castors, they dont need the frogleg forks obviously, but one set of forks they didnt fit was my Quickie Ti so i changed the forks on it to be able to have the wider castor. They do roll so much better in my opinion. Yes, I do agree physics wide there might be a slight bit more drag, but really its nothing. Nothing compared with being flung out of your chair every time you stop dead on a stupid little bit of stone!

They do last, maybe not as long as hard ones, the ones on my quickie, the one I sit in 18 hours a day, have lasted over a year so far.
The alu ones do look cool but I'm not prepared to pay the extra for them, when i can almost get two sets for that price.

For people in the UK, yes the price does go up slightly with postage, but I tend to do a bulk order twice a year with a whole load of us from basketball etc, it brings our Kenda's in at 18 quid a pair. If you havnt got anyone to do a bulkish order with, just think how much you will still save by buying a couple yrs supply of tyres and castors etc!

[Texaswheelz]

ryan08/06/88, on Mar 15 2008, 04:51 AM, said:

Has anyone got pics of what you guys are talking about?

Both the frogs legs and castors...I've never heard of them!

Cheers!

Ryan.

Here are just the plain ol soft roll casters that i use and swear by...


here are the frog leg caster forks they are talking about, never tried em, but with just the soft roll wheels i don't have any problems and can't find a need for them. before i switched to these wheels though i did think of getting the frog legs as my old hard front casters were a pain in the ass.

[silone74]

Think i wil get a pair of the casters they are nearly the same as mine but with the better soft roll rubber on them,then i wont be doin an irish jig every time i go over a small bump or stone LOL



Silone74

[NuthinWillHoldMeBack]

I love my soft rolls and Frog Legs, they glide unlike my old solid ones.

[Big Valley]

I switched to 1.5" wide castors long ago to help keep my wheels from digging into soft ground like grass and gravel. i probably went through 3 sets of wheels. When I went to order a 4th set at Sportaid I found the castors I usually order were not available anymore. All I saw were the frogleg soft rolls in a 1.5"

So I got those thinking they were the same or close enough. When I got them right away I knew something was different. They were rounded unlike the old style that was flat and they felt different. I put them on anyway and the first surface I rolled over that was not smooth like a floor I felt the difference.

So much better. Took a lot of the vibration of a simple sidewalk away and much more quiet.

These wheels are made with a new urethane material that is not old school hard rubber. It has the feel of a air tire but is solid and wears much better. I have had mine for over 6 months and the only wear they show is being dirty where they contact the ground.

The Shox solid tires for your rears are similar but firmer. I also have those and highly recommend them. You get the benefits of a light weight air tire but no fear of flats or having to check pressures anymore. They also wear extremely well.

This post has been edited by Big Valley: 28 March 2008 - 08:17 PM