[silone74]

I have just found this site and the chairs look really cool and just look at the weight of them.

http://www.lashersport.com/index.html

any 1 here used this company or have a chair made by them?




Silone74.

This post has been edited by silone74: 16 April 2008 - 03:16 PM

[Webwych]

Nice! I just wish they'd make these super-duper light jobs for people like me who are not sporty but still need the chair to be light for the person putting it in my car!

[Hawkeye]

Pretty sporty chairs. Sure wish they make a folder...

Joe

This post has been edited by Hawkeye: 17 April 2008 - 01:48 PM

[KarenFerguson]

Cool chairs. The Magnesium Alloy chairs are quite light weight, but sure are pricey! I think I'd rather pay about 2,000 less and push an extra few pounds around.

[silone74]

Price is high very high but they are nice looking chairs and have you seen the comunity part of the site it has peoples chairs on it and they are very cool.




Silone74

[Webwych]

The custom 'BT Tribal' is nice. Now if I could get than in a high-back....

[russ1]

They're all the rage with the folks over at carecure. They can certainly trick out a chair and charge accordingly. Personally I'm far from convinced about their claims for Magnesium alloy. They tried to make mountain bike frames from mag alloy and it just didn't work, they had worse dampening properties than either Al or Ti, were no lighter and continually broke.

Maybe they've sorted out the issues but at the end of the day the chairs are not appreciably lighter than a good Ti or Al chair. They're more of a bling statement than a real step forward in wheelchair technology IMHO.

This post has been edited by russ1: 16 April 2008 - 08:35 PM

[ems]

I'm just choosing my new chair, russ what do you sit in?

I've chosen bike-on for my supplier, the delivery is only 145 bucks to gatwick airport! I've used them since I got my first bike off them and have had two more since, and they seem quite happy to do chairs now too, so ** the UK prices, never again from the UK.

[Gian]

To answer Silone74,

I have 2 Lasher Chairs (MG and an MG-A) for over a year. I am submitting an order soon for a 3rd (ATB for camping, off-roading, scuba diving, beach, etc). The chairs Lasher Sport makes are absolutely PHENOMENAL. I have been in Invacare, Quickie, and Ti-lite chairs over the years and the best qualities of each of those chairs collectively cannot hold a candle to either of my two Lasher Sport chairs. It would be unfair to even compare them because there is no level playing field... compare a ford to a ferrari and you get a glimpse... the large volume sales chair manufacturers use a cookie-cutter or assembly line type maufacturing process akin to a ford. Lasher Sport are custom, hand-built, solutions from start to finish more akin to a ferrari... if Enzo Ferrari were actually making you a car with his philosophy and using completely your input on the specifics. You can read the feedback I posted over at USATechGuide (united spinal association wheelchair reviews). Lasher makes the only chairs that are universally top rated in every category from all users & clinicians.
MG-A (adjustible)
MG

russ1, on Apr 16 2008, 04:33 PM, said:

They're all the rage with the folks over at carecure. They can certainly trick out a chair and charge accordingly. Personally I'm far from convinced about their claims for Magnesium alloy. They tried to make mountain bike frames from mag alloy and it just didn't work, they had worse dampening properties than either Al or Ti, were no lighter and continually broke.

Maybe they've sorted out the issues but at the end of the day the chairs are not appreciably lighter than a good Ti or Al chair. They're more of a bling statement than a real step forward in wheelchair technology IMHO.

Addressing Russ1:
Sir, I have broken 3 frames prior to obtaining my Lasher Sport chairs. The problem with the Titanium chairs is that they use such a THIN wall thickness in order to try and save weight. The end result is a very weak frame that has ENTIRELY too much frame flex (for the cantilever frame designs... Quickie Ti Titanium, Ti-Lite ZR, Invacare Crossfire... all I have owned, all I have broken). I compete in powerlifting and punish my chairs in the gym every day. I am only stating this to qualify the abuse I put these chairs through. My Lasher chair has ZERO frame flex and has withstood MUCH more than anything I would have attempted to do in any of my previous chairs. The frame flex is nothing more than wasted energy... and more wear and tear on your shoulders.
Though I am virtually clueless in the mountain bike technology, I can fully attest that the magnesium alloy on my two chairs is so completely superior to the aluminum and titanium alloy chairs I have used in the past that they are virtually incomparable. Mountain bikes are designed to withstand load quite differently in comparison to wheelchairs, and I am unsure what specific alloy and wall thickness they use in the products you were referring to. However I can say that in the wheelchair community, the Lasher magnesium chairs are a godsend. Lasher chairs outclass anything made that I have seen. My Lasher MG-A is over 5 pounds lighter than my lightest titanium chair. And, it is the ONLY wheelchair I have not broken the frame on. I punish this chair routinely, and have been for over a year.
Each year, I go to the trade shows to see new technologies, etc. and the Lasher chairs seem to be the shangri-la of design among everyone's wish list. Those who have been forced to settle for non-custom wheelchairs often ask their manufacturers why can't they do this or that "like a Lasher chair" and the answers are usually partial truth about the manufacturing process. Lasher chairs are starting to gain interest across the pond too (a term we use here to refer to England and Ireland as american military guys). Several of my air force buds overseas have been talking about seeing "one of my wheelchairs" over there. It is strange that a wheelchair stands out so much that even in another country an able body can instantly recognize such an iconic and classy design as my Lasher Sport MG-A or my MG

[Texaswheelz]

You must do some crazy stuff to have broken 3 frames in your chairs. I have only broken 1 frame in 18 years and about 8 chairs and that was when I was in college, had gotten a new chair and was doing everything possible to try and break my old one. Do you go off of 10 foot drops or what? I'm not sure what exactly your doing in a chair that would cause your chair to flex. IMO they aren't exactly large enough to have a need for flexxing, of course I'm used to off road driving in lifted trucks and SUV's and automatically think of the flexxing needed for the suspension on those. But even trying to get passed that I cant' see anything possible that would cause my frame to flex enough to break unless I was putting it in some machine to flex it. If your stationary and lifting large amounts of weights, then the chair isn't exactly flexxing, it is getting much more weight put onto it then it is made for, I think most of the Ti chairs say they are made for a max weight of 250 lbs. So if you weight 200 and are sitting in and and have a weight of 200 on top of that then your well above that limit, but I don't know. I always get out of my chair when I'm at the gym as it isn't exactly the best thing thing to be sitting in for any of the lifting I do. In the 3 frames that you broke, where exactly did they break? Was it on a weld point? the middle of the frame... just wondering, the one I broke was right down the middle and that was after spending a drunken weekend going off my 5 foot porch repeatedly.

I would like to see some pictures of the 2 you have, as looking at the ones on their site isn't the same as seeing ones that people use daily.

[Motor]

Texaswheelz, on Apr 16 2008, 11:11 PM, said:

You must do some crazy stuff to have broken 3 frames in your chairs. I have only broken 1 frame in 18 years and about 8 chairs and that was when I was in college, had gotten a new chair and was doing everything possible to try and break my old one. Do you go off of 10 foot drops or what? I'm not sure what exactly your doing in a chair that would cause your chair to flex. IMO they aren't exactly large enough to have a need for flexxing, of course I'm used to off road driving in lifted trucks and SUV's and automatically think of the flexxing needed for the suspension on those. But even trying to get passed that I cant' see anything possible that would cause my frame to flex enough to break unless I was putting it in some machine to flex it. If your stationary and lifting large amounts of weights, then the chair isn't exactly flexxing, it is getting much more weight put onto it then it is made for, I think most of the Ti chairs say they are made for a max weight of 250 lbs. So if you weight 200 and are sitting in and and have a weight of 200 on top of that then your well above that limit, but I don't know. I always get out of my chair when I'm at the gym as it isn't exactly the best thing thing to be sitting in for any of the lifting I do. In the 3 frames that you broke, where exactly did they break? Was it on a weld point? the middle of the frame... just wondering, the one I broke was right down the middle and that was after spending a drunken weekend going off my 5 foot porch repeatedly.

I would like to see some pictures of the 2 you have, as looking at the ones on their site isn't the same as seeing ones that people use daily.

My quickie ti weighs 18 pounds without cushion and wheels, that chair is heavier. With all stuff on my chair weighs 29 lbs. I know guys who play basketball in the Lasher Chairs. They say its ok but only for sports not every day use.

[Gian]

Texaswheelz, on Apr 16 2008, 11:11 PM, said:

You must do some crazy stuff to have broken 3 frames in your chairs. I have only broken 1 frame in 18 years and about 8 chairs and that was when I was in college, had gotten a new chair and was doing everything possible to try and break my old one. Do you go off of 10 foot drops or what? I'm not sure what exactly your doing in a chair that would cause your chair to flex. IMO they aren't exactly large enough to have a need for flexxing, of course I'm used to off road driving in lifted trucks and SUV's and automatically think of the flexxing needed for the suspension on those. But even trying to get passed that I cant' see anything possible that would cause my frame to flex enough to break unless I was putting it in some machine to flex it. If your stationary and lifting large amounts of weights, then the chair isn't exactly flexxing, it is getting much more weight put onto it then it is made for, I think most of the Ti chairs say they are made for a max weight of 250 lbs. So if you weight 200 and are sitting in and and have a weight of 200 on top of that then your well above that limit, but I don't know. I always get out of my chair when I'm at the gym as it isn't exactly the best thing thing to be sitting in for any of the lifting I do. In the 3 frames that you broke, where exactly did they break? Was it on a weld point? the middle of the frame... just wondering, the one I broke was right down the middle and that was after spending a drunken weekend going off my 5 foot porch repeatedly.

I would like to see some pictures of the 2 you have, as looking at the ones on their site isn't the same as seeing ones that people use daily.

I have pictures of my chairs, but don't know where I can upload them... I may look into one of those free upload sites, but I really don't want 1000 advertising e-mails. Any suggestions on to where we can upload stuff?

I broke my Terminator Ti at the caster barrel going up and down stairs. I usually just throw on a seat belt, strap, rope, anything I can find to tie with ... and jump up a flight or two of stairs... more than the 3rd floor I am too lazy to do right now. I usually just lean back, and grab the rail to go up... and back down the stairs bumping one step at a time. Doing this, I snapped my caster barrel on my first Terminator Ti. As a disabled Air Force Veteran, they were good to me and got me another Terminator Ti asap. I bent that one at the lower longitudinal bar, subsequently, by having a 100lb. plate slam into it at the gym (I was rocking out to my iPod and wasn't paying attention to the weight when I put it on the ground).

I broke my Quickie Ti Titanium 4 times at the backrest (HORRIBLE design) and 4 times at the front caster angle adjustment where the teeth hold the angle (ABYSMAL design). I use frog leg forks, and slammed a few curbs on mis-timed curb hopping. Subsequently I had to replace those fittings and siezed the bearings 2 times each. I eventually broke that frame when I was play-fighting with one of my able body friends... I think it was just over-use of stairs, curbs, off-road, and abuse in the gym that wore it down to the failure point, but it snapped at the right-front of the cantilever down-tube. That frame flexes WAY too much to begin with in my humble opinion. That was the sole reason I stopped using titanium wheelchairs and looked into the Lasher Sport design since it had a MUCH larger tube and larger wall thickness... which equaled a significantly larger surface area of metal and ZERO frame flex. I am pressing 405 lbs. on the bench press right now in that chair and doing all kinds of sick numbers everywhere else (for my body weight that is... I'm only 130 lbs).

oh, I uploaded a video to YouTube of my chair, so you can check it out:
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=MC9Edx49LxA

I'll work on posting some pictures somehow, somewhere too ... I'm open to suggestions for file hosting if you have any ideas!

This post has been edited by Gian: 17 April 2008 - 04:07 AM

[Gian]

Motor, on Apr 16 2008, 11:15 PM, said:

My quickie ti weighs 18 pounds without cushion and wheels, that chair is heavier. With all stuff on my chair weighs 29 lbs. I know guys who play basketball in the Lasher Chairs. They say its ok but only for sports not every day use.

The Lasher MG has a transfer weight of 8.4 pounds (without wheels and cushion)...

With D's Locks, solid seat base (carbon fiber), custom aluminium footplate with flared sides, thick aluminum side guards, a Roho Jet Stream Pro back (solid carbon fiber back made by ADI, the OEM of Roho's back), and Schwalbe Evolution Marathon Plus Tires on Spinergy rims... I have just about all the heavy options you could want on a chair and my TOTAL weight is 20.0 lbs. My previous chair (prior to my first Lasher Sport chair) was the same chair you have, the Quickie Ti. My lasher chair is 9 lbs. lighter than that with ALL of the same options.

for reference, the one in the YouTube video is my Lasher MG-A chair (the heavier of the two due to the adjustible center of gravity and a few different options)... that chair is 5 lbs lighter than my Quickie Ti Titanium, my BT-Mg is 9 lbs lighter.

[silone74]

Nice to see that chair on u tube it does look very good i agree with the ti chairs flexing mine does when just goin up curbs i think if i get hold of some spare cash i will be getting a lasher they are as you say light and strong and individual also.
Just to ask dont you transfer on to a bench to do your pressing i tried some power lifting when in rehab at a sport comp and i transfered onto the bench, i do bodybuilding and i stay in the chair for machine work and dumbbell work to try and stop so much weight being put onto the chair i am affraid it would snap with my weight and the weights on top of that i dont want to end up on my ass lol


Silone74

[Texaswheelz]

i use photobucket.com to host my pictures, haven't been subscribed to any spam list since I signed up with em. Nice video, but it just seems like a commercial for lasher, the same as your first post on these boards. What exactly was the point of this video if not that? Just some random lady asking you to describe your chair? I could do the same thing for my TiLite.

To be honest I was hoping to see a well used, maybe scratched up, worn chair with how hard and rugged you are in them. It looked like a brand new chair to me. Not saying that it is or calling you a liar at all, just that your first post on the forums is a huge ad like post about Lasher chairs. I have the same ADI carbon back and it's a little scratched up after less then a year of use. Also if you order a chair from Tilite that isn't an adjustable chair, such as a ZR or TR, then just like your lasher it is custom made to your size and fit. So Lasher doesn't have the market on that and i'd bet that others also do it if your ordering a non adjustable frame. Lasher does have the market on customization options, which is just show and now function IMHO. I like the look of the chairs, but as some one already stated, you pay a lot for those looks. How the every day ride could improve as much as you say over my ti i don't know as this thing I'm in has as smooth as a ride as possible. I roll across uneven sidewalks and roads, jump curbs and steps and ride the train to and from work daily, something I wouldn't do in my old Invacare because of how horrible it was. I don't even notice the 2-3 inch drops and bumps, where before they would jar my teeth. So how it could be an even smoother ride than that I don't know.

i do agree about Quckie backrest design, I've broken every one of them I've had. They have the worse design of all chairs brands

This post has been edited by Texaswheelz: 17 April 2008 - 03:16 PM

[silone74]

I can see your point about seeing a worn chair and tilite which mine is do custom build your chair to a certain degree as in hight length and cog looking at the lasher site they seem to offer what ever you want but it does cost alot for the privelage,
Gian do you have a deal with Lasher or are you just a customer of theres not trying to be funny but would love to see others with these chairs and to hear about them 2 i still think if i get some cash together it would be lasher i went for but would love to have the oppertunity to veiw or even try one out before hand and see just how light they are.
I would be prepared to have one sent over as a test chair LOL LOL LOL


Silone74

[Motor]

Gian, on Apr 17 2008, 12:19 AM, said:

Motor, on Apr 16 2008, 11:15 PM, said:

My quickie ti weighs 18 pounds without cushion and wheels, that chair is heavier. With all stuff on my chair weighs 29 lbs. I know guys who play basketball in the Lasher Chairs. They say its ok but only for sports not every day use.

The Lasher MG has a transfer weight of 8.4 pounds (without wheels and cushion)...

With D's Locks, solid seat base (carbon fiber), custom aluminium footplate with flared sides, thick aluminum side guards, a Roho Jet Stream Pro back (solid carbon fiber back made by ADI, the OEM of Roho's back), and Schwalbe Evolution Marathon Plus Tires on Spinergy rims... I have just about all the heavy options you could want on a chair and my TOTAL weight is 20.0 lbs. My previous chair (prior to my first Lasher Sport chair) was the same chair you have, the Quickie Ti. My lasher chair is 9 lbs. lighter than that with ALL of the same options.

for reference, the one in the YouTube video is my Lasher MG-A chair (the heavier of the two due to the adjustible center of gravity and a few different options)... that chair is 5 lbs lighter than my Quickie Ti Titanium, my BT-Mg is 9 lbs lighter.

I was basing my weight comparison on the weights listed on the website. It was something like 22lbs for the one I saw. The chairs in the add were 15 x 15, I don't know many people that fit in that size chair that is an adult. I just checked it was 22 lbs w/o cushion! So weight goes up for average or above average sizes. Sorry to say but seems to me like your an employee of Lasher! My insurance won't pay for the Lasher so if I hit the lottery I'll consider it! My Quickie ti works fine, even on the back of my Trike! I have no problem with the j back! Gian what does T2A mean. It is in your level of injury!

Richie aka Motor

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[Gian]

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Silone74

Just to ask dont you transfer on to a bench to do your pressing i tried some power lifting when in rehab at a sport comp and i transfered onto the bench, i do bodybuilding and i stay in the chair for machine work and dumbbell work to try and stop so much weight being put onto the chair i am affraid it would snap with my weight and the weights on top of that i dont want to end up on my ass lol

Both… Most of the time I prefer to transfer to a bench or Hammer Strength bench… but more often than not, I just use a smith machine and vary my angle for chest / shoulders accordingly. I like to do upright rows there too. However, I snapped my spinergy rims just last month due to overuse in the gym. They were really cool about it though and are fixing the rims for me! Actually, the ones I snapped were the ones in the video. I don’t mean to derail this thread anymore with a bunch of workout stuff, but we can start a new thread with all that on there… I got tons of different exercises I had to MacGyver over the years… would be neat to find a site to swap info on workouts or to start one.

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TexasWheelz

Nice video, but it just seems like a commercial for lasher, the same as your first post on these boards. What exactly was the point of this video if not that? Just some random lady asking you to describe your chair?

The video I posted on YouTube was from a DVD accompanying the book I am in.
http://www.us.elsevierhealth.com/product.j...n=9780323006996
You can actually see me on the cover in my QuickieTi Titanium … and all of the photos in that book were in my Quickie in the “Advanced Wheelchair Skills” section. I was still waiting to get a Lasher Sport chair at that point. My Lasher chair indeed came shortly after that, and we shot the DVD portion showing some simple stuff like ascending / descending stairs, wheelies, curbs, car transfers, floor to chair transfers, etc.
That video was just the portion where the therapist asked me about my wheelchair… I left the other 15 minutes out or else everyone would be sleeping by the time it got to close-up views of the chair. I am actually unsure if I am allowed to upload that video, maybe I should have looked into legality of it with the publisher.

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TexasWheelz

To be honest I was hoping to see a well used, maybe scratched up, worn chair with how hard and rugged you are in them. It looked like a brand new chair to me.

My chair was only 2 months old or so in that video … hehe. I think we shot that around May or June 2007.

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Silone74

Gian do you have a deal with Lasher or are you just a customer of theres not trying to be funny but would love to see others with these chairs and to hear about them 2 i still think if i get some cash together it would be lasher i went for but would love to have the oppertunity to veiw or even try one out before hand and see just how light they are.
I would be prepared to have one sent over as a test chair LOL LOL LOL

I wish I had a deal with him, I’d like another few chairs in all kinds of colors and styles just to pimp around in… not that I have the space, finances or time to try and do that though. I wish I could get “a test chair” … give me a Dragon one please, I promise I’ll give it back in a few years…

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Motor

I was basing my weight comparison on the weights listed on the website. It was something like 22lbs for the one I saw. The chairs in the add were 15 x 15, I don't know many people that fit in that size chair that is an adult. I just checked it was 22 lbs w/o cushion! So weight goes up for average or above average sizes. Sorry to say but seems to me like your an employee of Lasher! My insurance won't pay for the Lasher so if I hit the lottery I'll consider it! My Quickie ti works fine, even on the back of my Trike! I have no problem with the j back! Gian what does T2A mean. It is in your level of injury!

I haven’t been to his site since I ordered, but he had a ton of pictures under the community link… those chairs looked cool. !! But when I looked on his site, the numbers were all for 16x16 chairs, and their lightest was 15.4 lbs with wheels & tires (that is what sold me on the chair initially). I have no clue what their heaviest was, but it may be 22 like you said.

I don’t work for Lasher, I just REALLY like his products, and Bill Lasher is an AWESOME guy too. I live in NJ and I’m no employee of Lasher (Actually, I don’t think he has any employees, maybe just a guy or two that do part time stuff at his shop). That said, Lasher makes incredible chairs, they pretty much speak for themselves…. Though words really can’t do justice, you’ll just have to jump in one and see. I was just REALLY fortunate: I am a disabled Air Force Veteran, injured in the line of duty, fully service connected. So Uncle Sam thanked me for my time by hooking me up with a sweet ride.

Yeah, T2A is my ASIA score (as in T2-complete). I was initially T2 Complete... 6 years later, I am now ASIA B or C I think.

What kind of trike do you have??? I would love to ride again

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[russ1]

Gian, on Apr 18 2008, 12:52 AM, said:

The end result is a very weak frame that has ENTIRELY too much frame flex (for the cantilever frame designs... Quickie Ti Titanium, Ti-Lite ZR, Invacare Crossfire... all I have owned, all I have broken). I compete in powerlifting and punish my chairs in the gym every day. I am only stating this to qualify the abuse I put these chairs through. My Lasher chair has ZERO frame flex and has withstood MUCH more than anything I would have attempted to do in any of my previous chairs. The frame flex is nothing more than wasted energy... and more wear and tear on your shoulders.

Ah! here is the issue - frames; to flex or not to flex. As far as I'm concerned the advantage with the cantilever design frames is their inherant ability to flex as this absorbs vibrations and allows a smoother ride, it's like having an inbuilt suspension. Ti is purposely used in a thin walled thin framed option not just to reduce weight but to maximise on it's propensity to flex and provide that suspension feeling with no moving parts.

Mg is definately a stiffer metal and less forgiving, whether you consider frame flex as a good or bad thing is purely personal preference and the argument about wasted energy has been running in mountain biking circles ever since the the introduction of suspension, however there is no doubt that when hitting small bumps a small amount of suspension will allow a wheeled vehicle to ride over the bump with less loss of kinetic (movement) energy than a rigid frame, there is a trade off against loss of energy to natural flex when pushing. What I find incongruous is the selection of frogs legs to introduce suspension and flex back into a chair (as seen in utube vid) that it's stated is selected because it doesn't flex.

I'm very sceptical about lashers claim that Magnesium is exceptional at dampening vibrations. Maybe that's just another way of saying that's it's so damn stiff the metal doesn't flex at all just transmits every bump straight through the frame to the user?

I'm also very sceptical about any quoted weights for any chairs and their relation to real world chairs - However even given that, comparing a custom built chair lasher chair (frame weight 8.4lbs quoted) with an adjustable chair like a Quickie Ti isn't really a fair comparision, a fairer comparison would be with a TiLite TR (9.9lbs) or for UK users how about this one - Cyclone Mirage with a quoted frame weight of 1.4Kg (3 lbs). (Clearly no castors or upholstery)

While fairly immaterial in the real world this last quoted weight does give us a real insight into the actual weight of the tube in a wheelchair as opposed to all the other bits that make it up. Given a frame (metal) weight of 3lbs of titanium for a custom Ti chair it's clearly not going to be possible to make a Mg chair appreciably lighter than an Ti Chair in total as a result of the selection of the material alone. It's the other bits and pieces that make up a chairs weight - not the material it's made of.

It's also true that a custom chair should be stronger than an adjustable chair as any adjustment point either introduces an inherent weak point or the weight penalty of strengtening that inherent weak point is huge so I would fully expect a custom lasher to be much more durable than any lightweight adjustable chair like a quickie Ti. If a wheelchair user is fully confident to order a chair without adjustment and confident in knowing that the set up is right for him both now and that it will remain so for the working life of the chair then that user is better off with a full custom build which will undoubtably be stronger but it's a big call. That users use (and potential abuse) of the chair will guide their selection.

[ems]

I have a cyclone mirage, its my aeroplane chair!!! Its defiantly the lightest chair in the world, I do love it but its quite awful as an everyday chair! its actually just toooooooo light, you dont seem to get any momentum. I only had it built for traveling, its nice to know i have a chair to come home to if anything happens! ( or 4!). I'll go get a pic of it for ya all

Emma.

[Munki2369]

I figured I would lend in my 2 cents to this whole debate that has formed over Lasher Sport wheelchairs. First off, I am NOT an employee of Lasher Sport, so dispense that right away. I HAVE, however, owned multiple Lasher Sport wheelchairs over the past 3 years starting with a BT-Tribal, then an MG-AS, and now I have the ONE AND ONLY actual Lasher Sport sports chair.

I have brutalized each and every chair I have owned! I have been in a chair now for 13 years and have had almost every manufacturer of chair from E&J (when they tried to make a rigid frame) to Quickie, Invacare and Colours. I have played every sport there is under the sun from competitive to extreme. I have national championships in Junior and Division 2 Adult basketball, multiple road racing medals and tournament spots in Tennis. I spent the last year traveling all over the world in my Lasher Sport MG-AS and relentlessly abusing my chair over coble-stones and curbs. I trekked over 11 countries on 4 continents. The magnesium frame on that chair has withstood all the abuse from skate park half-pipes and dropping 18" drops off stairs. My magnesium frame ball chair has been in repeated contact in rugby, football and basketball, and there is barely a scratch on it.

The name Lasher Sport denotes sports by design, but only until my BT-Baller was made, Lasher Sport was an everyday chair. Bill, the owner, took an already proven frame design (the L frame as many others have copied from Kuschall) and just added a bit of style to it. I mean, who wants to have a chair that looks exactly like everyone else's???? I don't wear the same shoes that everyone else does, why should my chair be any different. Yes, you do pay more for the look, but that is a giving in any arena (Motorcycles, cars, etc).

The bottom line is that Lasher Sport came into a market where every other chair was just a cookie-cut frame off a shelf that someone claimed could make it "custom" and put some true personality in it. Bash it all you want but I have beaten the ever-loving life out of my chairs and they have held up to the challenge with style and comfort... Period.

I don't mean to start any fires, but people who put their words down need to have their facts straight before the diarrhea of the mouth occurs.

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[Texaswheelz]

No need to get hostile and I haven't seen any diarrhea, no one has said they doubted the toughness of the Lasher chairs, but we have said that our non lasher chairs have been through the same degree of torture and came out the other side still intact. Well my Ti has, not so much for the Quickie and E&J(I had the barracuda), but Ti is the only Titanium chair I have had and it has taken as much punishment as any of the others and still rolling strong without even a squeek a year into it. I don't think it is hard to see where the people on this board were coming from with questioning the validity of the poster. Never posted here before and then as a first post it is what would seem like advertisement for the Lasher, same as your 1st post.

Again I don't think any one doubts the Lasher durability, at least I don't. And we have pointed out that is is highly customizeable, unlike chairs from the other companies. However that customization cost, if you can afford it then more power to ya. For those that can't, they aren't getting let down or getting an inferior chair by going with a titanium one from Ti or Quickee, at least I don't think so. Sure I don't have polished foot plates and some cool custom art bar across the back of my seat, but the chair I haven't can take my punishment. If I had the cash in pocket to purchase a Lasher chair, would I? Maybe, but for that price I could also purchase a pretty decent used vehicle, so it would be a difficult purchase.

[Gian]

Here are some pics

Lasher Sport BT-Mg-A with Custom Cut Aluminum Footrest with Flared Sides, Frog Legs suspension forks, 1.5" Soft-roll casters, Spinergy Rims, Carbon Fiber Seat base, Carbon fiber Side Guards, ADI Carbon Fiber backrest, D's Locks, Schwalbe Marathon Plus Evolution Tires, Aspen Seating Ride Designs R1 Cushion ::::: Weight as Pictured (with everything): 24.4 pounds

[silone74]

that is a very nice chair and still light with the extras on it can i ask if you dont mind how much the polished finish on the frame was PM if ya dont mind that is i think it looks great like that. i weighed my tilite zra not so long ago and mine with wheels side guards but NO cushion on was if i can rember right 23lb, with wheels off and sideguards off weighed 13lb i never weighed it with the cushion on as that would have weighed alot on its own. It is a 16 x 18 frame so the lasher is far lighter than my ti chair as i know for a fact that my cushion weighs nearly the same as the chair with no wheels or anything on, if you take wheels and cushion off ready to transport do ya know what it weighs then?


Silone74

[Texaswheelz]

They sure do make em shiny, looks like some of my wifes kitchen appliances. Looks like it's been chromed over. Maybe one day I can afford one to give em a try. How do you like that Alpine seat? I haven't ever ran across anyone that used one before, but always wondered about em.

[Gian]

To silone74
For my chair, it is Polished and then Clear-Powder Coated. So, you effectively pay for both finishes and all the coordination. Not sure on numbers, I only remember what I had to pay out of pocket for the things the Veteran's Affairs wouldn't cover.

To Texaswheelz:
The Aspen Seating Ride Designs R1 Cushion:
Well, this thing took an act of congress, interplanetary alignment and 3 vatican certified miracles to get, but I LOVE IT. Unfortunately, they don't make the R1 any more because they CUSTOM make each cushion now (which costs quite a bit more). The end result, better cushion suited for you, but MUCH harder to acquire.
Benefits: the cushion is kind of like a commode, hollow center so your Ischial Tuberosities and Sacrum NEVER touch the cushion, it just supports all around the area with kinda hard styrofoam. I am HIGHLY prone to decubitous (Skin breakdown) and this is the first cushion I have had ZERO issues with. I work out in this cushion, with tons of additional weight and I never bottom out.
This cushion has a very high back portion, and strange shape (go to their website and check it out a little more: Aspen Seating - Ride Designs). The benefit here is it rotates your pelvis with an anterior pelvic tilt (which creates a little lordosis in my lower back and helps me keep my posture much better).
Another great thing, unlike roho this cushion helps me keep my balance!!! The roho cushion is so wishy-washy :: yeah, I know... technical term :: This one I feel really stable and my trunk is easier to manage (as though I am a lower level para even though I am T2).