[Yong]

Drifting is a new auto sport where you try to slide the car sideways to get points. All about precision driving..timing...and controlled chaos.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PCCbp734UcI

Of course in order to get your car to slide, you have to drive a rear-wheel drive car, have it manual transmission, and have easy access to the e-brake.

My Honda Element is front-wheel drive, automatic, and it's pretty difficult to reach down to the e-brake.

SOLUTION! My brother and I are putting money together to purchase a new car! Well...an old POS that we're going to fix up... haha



It's automatic (so that I can fit it with hand controls) and has a KA20de motor which we're going to turbocharge. All for 600 USD.

After we get it all finished...we aim for it to look like this...



My brother has one of these already but with manual transmission. I think it'll be a good way to spend hard-earned disability money...

At least I'm not spending the money on women, drugs, or booze, eh?

I'll keep everyone posted on the progress.

[Tim13]

Drifting is pretty cool, we used to have something like it when I lived up north only we called it winter driving.
Never had the pocketbook for trying it on dry pavement. Looks like you have the right car for the job though.

[LuckyinKentucky]

I "gravel drift" all the time... granted it's a little easier to get the slide started on gravel... if you tap the brakes while hitting the gas hard enough to downshift then by the time you start brake sliding, power will have built up enough to finish out with a "power slide"...or gravel drift... that car should have plenty of power on supply... but to boost up the instant torque you'll probably wanna put some small tires on the back

[Yong]

LuckyinKentucky, on Apr 24 2008, 01:57 PM, said:

I "gravel drift" all the time... granted it's a little easier to get the slide started on gravel... if you tap the brakes while hitting the gas hard enough to downshift then by the time you start brake sliding, power will have built up enough to finish out with a "power slide"...or gravel drift... that car should have plenty of power on supply... but to boost up the instant torque you'll probably wanna put some small tires on the back

That's a real cool idea! Props props.

I was just thinking about how to 'drift' with an automatic and I think keeping the car on second gear (not on Drive) the whole time and using the brake along with the e-brake will help.

The car has a SOHC 2.4 liter engine in it. Only pumps out about a 80 horses to the wheels but we'll soon remedy that. Turbo-charger is inside a box in the trunk ready to be slapped on. With the turbo, improved fuel pump and injectors...good ECU tuning..the car can push 250 horsepower easily. We'll just have to see though...

I've been spending the last couple of days sanding and bondo'ing the heck out of the car....

[Yong]

I was perusing the web and found this...



I want it to look like this!

[LuckyinKentucky]

I have never used a turbo but with a small engine it's all about finding where the power is... usually this is best found in the middle of the gear with high RPM's... first you have to know at what speeds your tranny will still drop the gear and exactly how much throttle you will have to apply to get it to do so... the way i do it on gravel is to come into the turn at good speed but very low in the gear... you may have to punch the gas a little sooner if using a turbo, but i usuall punch the gas either just before or at the same time as the brake...so that as soon as your ass end starts sliding out that you have enough power on hand to pull through the curve...too much gas and you'll 360 too little and you'll just slide sideways and take the ditch... with a turbo you will have to become accustomed to how long it takes your charger to "spool" as a leap in power during the middle of a slide would also probably make you 360... oh and by the way adhering to the u play u pay principle. there is a very good chance(almost definite) that your car will receive damage, even if you stick to pavement... it's a costly hobby... but isn't everything that fun... as you may have picked up I love this stuff so feel free to Holla!



more power is great especially if you only wanna run in 2nd... but being light weight and rpm's may get you just as far....and secondly are you gonna have to put headers on to allow passage of the amount of air flow/exhaust produced while running a turbo?

This post has been edited by LuckyinKentucky: 27 April 2008 - 08:16 PM

[RYAN68]

You'll definately need to have a set of headers, then build all of the piping for the turbo. Is it going to be intercooled?

Sliding on gravel is second nature to me. Just sorta powerbrake it into the corner, then use your throttle to ride it out. It works better in a manual, but can be done with a auto. You'll definately will need to run the car in 2nd gear to keep the tranny from shifting into OD.

IMO I think drifting is stupid...but that's my opinion. Talk about a waste of tires. But each to there own..

[Kev-O]

Go to cardomain.com they should have a bunch of fly cars to give you some good ideas.

This is also a bad ass video Drift King

[Yong]

LuckyinKentucky, on Apr 27 2008, 04:10 PM, said:

....and secondly are you gonna have to put headers on to allow passage of the amount of air flow/exhaust produced while running a turbo?

No. I won't have headers on because I'll have a turbo manifold onto which I'll mount on the turbo and the wastegate.

I have a front mount intercooler for it...have bought the turbo..blow off valve...

all i need is to spend another grand on the manifold, gauges, MAF sensor, fuel mgmt piggyback system, down pipe, what else.... turbo timer... wastegate...

This really is going to be an expensive hobby eh?

I guess we all have our vices...

Kev-O, on Apr 30 2008, 04:34 PM, said:

Go to cardomain.com they should have a bunch of fly cars to give you some good ideas.

This is also a bad ass video Drift King

Hubinette is pretty good..but the real drift kings are Japanese. Ken Nomura... Kazama etc...

The sport isn't as popular as it is in Japan.

RYAN68, on Apr 30 2008, 04:10 PM, said:

IMO I think drifting is stupid...but that's my opinion. Talk about a waste of tires. But each to there own..

Most beginner and amateur drfiters use used tires when drifting. Damage to the rims and the body is ALWAYS present..so most people take their bumpers and rims off and put steelies on.

I have about a dozen used tires that my brother has been saving up to use as drift spares.

I see that your into tractor pulls and demo derbys. Haha. I dunno dude... pulling weight and running into other cars don't sound that much more exciting than drifting.

Like you said...to each his own...

[Mallee]

Best tips i can give for drifting is get yourself a really supportive seat, eg: Recaro. and at least 300 Hp. I found its difficult enough doing burnouts using well setup push pat controles. With good HP you can use the throtle to angle and Steer your car. I love gravel, its much more forgiving and takes far less HP. I had the back of my Subaru hanging out today. Being a quad doesnt help. I dont use a spinner so i try to keep it under full lock.

BTW Autos are great, stronger back brakes help with turning a car into a slide. Example my 300 Hp V8 3 speed auto would smoke 1 through 2nd and redline at 105Mph. "Cable tied the button on the shifter went to change to 3rd slipped into reverse one day" (scarey)

This post has been edited by Mallee: 16 May 2008 - 10:50 AM

[Yong]

Mallee, on May 16 2008, 06:41 AM, said:

Best tips i can give for drifting is get yourself a really supportive seat, eg: Recaro. and at least 300 Hp. I found its difficult enough doing burnouts using well setup push pat controles. With good HP you can use the throtle to angle and Steer your car. I love gravel, its much more forgiving and takes far less HP. I had the back of my Subaru hanging out today. Being a quad doesnt help. I dont use a spinner so i try to keep it under full lock.

BTW Autos are great, stronger back brakes help with turning a car into a slide. Example my 300 Hp V8 3 speed auto would smoke 1 through 2nd and redline at 105Mph. "Cable tied the button on the shifter went to change to 3rd slipped into reverse one day" (scarey)

That's a good point. What's important in track cars is not necessarily the horsepower but rather the power to weight ratio. The single cam KA engine that comes in my car is rated at like 90 horses... After the turbo setup, improved MAF, fuel pump/ injectors, ECU tuning...i would bet the car will get close to 300 horses at the rear wheels. Anything more than that, I'm going to have to replace the pistons and rods with forged ones....too expensive. At least the car's light, eh?

Subaru is good for rallying..but not necessarily drifting. AWD no friend to going sideways. That's why all the awd skylines have rwd conversions.

As for the Recaros...again...too expensive..haha...all i need is a good racing seat with a four or five point harness... Recaro..Sparco...Bride...etc...all great seats..but I don't feel like spending two grand on seats when the car was only 600.

Right now, I'm still just buying parts for the turbo kit. Then i'll slap it all on. Oh yeah..my brother found this dude that rebuilds KA engines so I just went ahead and bought a totally rebuilt engine for 300 bux. Guess it'll save me a couple bucks down the road... I'll keep you guys posted for more.

[Cheshire]

I used to do what I'll call "low-power" drifting a little...gravel roads and mountain road switchbacks pre-injury. My crazy teenage days. I wasn't trying to race or anything, just love curves. I had a little honda civic 5-speed front-wheel drive...don't know why rear-wheel is required. The few short months I had a rear-wheel drive car I 360'd over nothing...not even a right angle turn. Traded it in as soon as I found something decent.

I call it "low power" drifting because I didn't use the handbrake. Mine was basically just (just...) controlled sliding. Push the tire traction just past the point of gripping, control with throttle and steering.

[Yong]

Cheshire, on May 21 2008, 10:07 PM, said:

don't know why rear-wheel is required.

Rear rear drive is a must in order to maintain a drift. Drifting is basically oversteering on all turns. Sure you can slide with a fwd, but once you slide, you're just hoping you won't run into anything before you fully stop. RWD is good because there IS throttle control. If you step on it with a front wheel while sliding, your tires are going to grip and you'll wind up understeering.

Real good drifters can control almost all aspects of the turning...angle, speed..and can change these DURING drifting (impossible to do with a FWD).

[Califanna]

Yong, on Apr 22 2008, 05:58 AM, said:

Drifting is a new auto sport where you try to slide the car sideways to get points. All about precision driving..timing...and controlled chaos.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PCCbp734UcI

Of course in order to get your car to slide, you have to drive a rear-wheel drive car, have it manual transmission, and have easy access to the e-brake.

My Honda Element is front-wheel drive, automatic, and it's pretty difficult to reach down to the e-brake.

SOLUTION! My brother and I are putting money together to purchase a new car! Well...an old POS that we're going to fix up... haha



It's automatic (so that I can fit it with hand controls) and has a KA20de motor which we're going to turbocharge. All for 600 USD.

After we get it all finished...we aim for it to look like this...



My brother has one of these already but with manual transmission. I think it'll be a good way to spend hard-earned disability money...

At least I'm not spending the money on women, drugs, or booze, eh?

I'll keep everyone posted on the progress.

Can you do drifting using hand controls? I just don't see it happening, unless you are using your cruise control for the speed. Enlighten Me. In my younger days, I did road racing with a 240 ZX. Oh I am telling my age...Oops. Very interested in how you plan to drift using handcontrols.
Califanna

[Yong]

Califanna, on May 28 2008, 01:59 AM, said:

Can you do drifting using hand controls? I just don't see it happening, unless you are using your cruise control for the speed. Enlighten Me. In my younger days, I did road racing with a 240 ZX. Oh I am telling my age...Oops. Very interested in how you plan to drift using handcontrols.
Califanna

If you read the first post, I wrote that I'm planning to put it in second gear at all times and use hand controls for throttle and use only one hand to steer. It will definitely be extremely difficult to drift..because ALL drift cars are manuals... but we'll see.

Cruise control doesn't do anything because you have to always control and change throttle position.

[PsychoSimon]

not sure how you would get on trying to lock the rear wheels with an auto, whether it would damage the transmission etc but to save having to take your hand off the steering wheel to apply the handbrake you could do what I have in my off roader (i have fiddle brakes) and on thje end of your hand controls have a button, that actuates a pneumatice ram wich operates the handbrake (parking brake or whatever you guys call them over there). you may also find that you won't be able to keep a slide goind in the dry in just second. I used to drift a bmw (just messing about) 325i and a lt of the time i was in 3rd, but occaionally down into second.

alternatively drift somewhere that is wet, or on grass etc? not really much help to enter comps though.


good luck with it I say. there was a tuning mag over here that had a write up of a drift car being built for a para on hand controls

[eyelookok2blindgurls]

Tried drifting a few times , but kept killing auto boxes , no matter how much I strengthened them they broke , really had to trow the car into corners at really high speed to get it to drift right , not for the faint hearted .
A quad in Australia does some drifting in a Holden Monaro (pontiac GTO) with a twin turbo LS2 (about 860 hp or almost 1000 with the boost turned up ) he had to upgrade from a 4L60 trans to a 4L80 trans and custom trans ECU , he uses a custom radial hand control (forward for brakes , down for throttle ) modified so it can be pulled back to activate a hydraulic E brake .
He Has spent over $140,000 aus on modifications so far and only drifts 2 -3 times a year , I guess he's one of the lucky ones with a rich dad .LOL

[Yong]

eyelookok2blindgurls, on Jun 23 2008, 10:24 PM, said:

Tried drifting a few times , but kept killing auto boxes , no matter how much I strengthened them they broke , really had to trow the car into corners at really high speed to get it to drift right , not for the faint hearted .
A quad in Australia does some drifting in a Holden Monaro (pontiac GTO) with a twin turbo LS2 (about 860 hp or almost 1000 with the boost turned up ) he had to upgrade from a 4L60 trans to a 4L80 trans and custom trans ECU , he uses a custom radial hand control (forward for brakes , down for throttle ) modified so it can be pulled back to activate a hydraulic E brake .
He Has spent over $140,000 aus on modifications so far and only drifts 2 -3 times a year , I guess he's one of the lucky ones with a rich dad .LOL

Wow...that's real hard core... twin turbo LS2...that's a little too much power.

The thing with having that much horsepower is that unless you have slicks on, you can't put down that power on the ground. I've been told by a lot of drifters that if you have more than 450, 500 horses, it's real easy to spin the wheels and slide the car.

My goal for my car is right at around 270 horses. Anything more than that, I'd have to beef up the internals...forged pistons/rods...etc... and that's way too much money.

My brother is finishing up the wiring for an engine swap that we did...it's taking some time, however.

I have my eyes on a 1991 Ford Mustang...



This picture is of a coupe.

My brother's mechanic's buddy is selling a pretty beat up 91 mustang 5.0 for 500 dollars. The engine is not in the car, but it's rebuilt and it's included in the price.

I'm very tempted. The Nissan (once I put the suspension in) will be too low for me to get in and out very easily, so I'm thinking that the Mustang might actually suit me better.

[PetitMortVampyre]

My son used to have a 80 something ( I am old, I forget things ) Datsun ( powered by Nissan as its back end said ) 280 ZX, straight 6, KICK ARSE, go fast car lol, yadda. Yeah uh, drifted quite by mistake, lil miss leadfoot, one night.

Now I can do it in most any car that is at least a 6 cyl! I do not recommend it on Hwy 1, in my neck of the woods.

[Mallee]

Yong, on Jun 26 2008, 04:34 PM, said:

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twin turbo LS2...that's a little too much power.

There is never too much power.

5.0 Mustang, not many mustangs in Aus but there are plenty of tough 5.0 litre Fords, Finding an Auto to handle big HP isnt an issue when it comes to a V8, common practice in drag racing for autos to be handling large horsepower and the enormous energy of getting the power down on a sticky track.

No turbo lag eliminating the need to pop the clutch to get the blower spinning. Choose the right cam combination and you have the tourque when you want, there are plenty of options with stall converers too.

Only downside is the weight ratio and handling. Go the Nissan for go-kart handling. Below is a guy who has both, Chev powered Japper v Monaro.
Khudar Elhaouli
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=E3UM7nbQ1c0

Sounds Sweet
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBHv1a-z9kY&feature=related

This post has been edited by Mallee: 18 July 2008 - 07:36 AM

[Slowlegs]

Hi guys,

Drifting here is really popular and most people seem to use 6 cylinder turbo skylines or sylvias because of their great power to weight ratio. One enemy of an auto transmission is heat so fit a really good transmission cooler even if you are using a standard vehicle. There is a game on Playstation you can do drifting on. I am not saying to do that instead of the real thing but it could give you an idea of the techniques if you haven't seen it before. Perhaps try going down to a drift meeting, someone may be good enough to give you a ride. Slick tyres on a wet track or standard tyres on wet grass will help you drift without needing huge horsepower. Make sure you have a helmet at least and someone to advise you on safety. I went for a ride in a V8 Supercar a few years ago and the brakes failed at 250kph at the end of the back straight. Things go real bad real fast at speed, especially for novices. Rear wheel drive is best for it as otherwise you are really only sliding.

http://www.performancecar.co.nz/events/nz-...-series/nzdrift

[Yong]

Slowlegs, on Aug 7 2008, 03:26 AM, said:

Hi guys,

Drifting here is really popular and most people seem to use 6 cylinder turbo skylines or sylvias because of their great power to weight ratio. One enemy of an auto transmission is heat so fit a really good transmission cooler even if you are using a standard vehicle. There is a game on Playstation you can do drifting on. I am not saying to do that instead of the real thing but it could give you an idea of the techniques if you haven't seen it before. Perhaps try going down to a drift meeting, someone may be good enough to give you a ride. Slick tyres on a wet track or standard tyres on wet grass will help you drift without needing huge horsepower. Make sure you have a helmet at least and someone to advise you on safety. I went for a ride in a V8 Supercar a few years ago and the brakes failed at 250kph at the end of the back straight. Things go real bad real fast at speed, especially for novices. Rear wheel drive is best for it as otherwise you are really only sliding.

http://www.performancecar.co.nz/events/nz-...-series/nzdrift

You're in New Zealand?

Skylines are Sylvias are at such premium here in the states. Everyone and they're mama's got SR20s but those RBs and more importantly RB parts are so hard to come by.

Oh, I'm not new to the drifting scene by any means. A lot of guys mod their s13 or s14s with a turbo KA or an SR20..or some crazy mofos would put a LS1 in their 240. A lot of power really isn't needed for drifting. But I would need to weld my differential to have it slide easier. I've ridden in some crazy cars.

Expensive hobby though... haha

[Mallee]

Quote

I've ridden in some crazy cars.

Aint it fun.

[Slowlegs]

Yong, on Sep 4 2008, 05:00 AM, said:

Slowlegs, on Aug 7 2008, 03:26 AM, said:

Hi guys,

Drifting here is really popular and most people seem to use 6 cylinder turbo skylines or sylvias because of their great power to weight ratio. One enemy of an auto transmission is heat so fit a really good transmission cooler even if you are using a standard vehicle. There is a game on Playstation you can do drifting on. I am not saying to do that instead of the real thing but it could give you an idea of the techniques if you haven't seen it before. Perhaps try going down to a drift meeting, someone may be good enough to give you a ride. Slick tyres on a wet track or standard tyres on wet grass will help you drift without needing huge horsepower. Make sure you have a helmet at least and someone to advise you on safety. I went for a ride in a V8 Supercar a few years ago and the brakes failed at 250kph at the end of the back straight. Things go real bad real fast at speed, especially for novices. Rear wheel drive is best for it as otherwise you are really only sliding.

http://www.performancecar.co.nz/events/nz-...-series/nzdrift

You're in New Zealand?

Skylines are Sylvias are at such premium here in the states. Everyone and they're mama's got SR20s but those RBs and more importantly RB parts are so hard to come by.

Oh, I'm not new to the drifting scene by any means. A lot of guys mod their s13 or s14s with a turbo KA or an SR20..or some crazy mofos would put a LS1 in their 240. A lot of power really isn't needed for drifting. But I would need to weld my differential to have it slide easier. I've ridden in some crazy cars.

Expensive hobby though... haha

Yes, I am in Auckland. I did see someone drifting a Toyota echo once. Over here Skylines are a dime a dozen. You can pick one up for a couple of thousand NZ dollars. (about $1300 US at todays exchange rate) Most of the cars in New Zealand came in second hand from Japan at some stage. Makes them nice and cheap (steering wheel on the right though) but depreciation is a killer. Hot bits for them are always expensive or stolen though, unfortunately. I saw a RX7 with a 350 and high rise a few months back. I used to be into US V8's but prefer a good 4 valve lexus V8 now or even better a nice 6 or 4. Nice and light and won't put your balance out too much like a big heavy American block stuck in front like an anchor. Sorry for not getting back sooner, only just stumbled back on this post.

[jdhoggg]

I have a Conquest TSI that I swapped a built Chevy 355 into. I also put a 175 shot of gas on top for use at the drag strip. I took it to the battle of the imports they have at a local 1/4 mile strip. My friends would push it through the staging lanes as they advanced and when the guy motioned me to come forward to the burnout pit, I would fire it up. You shoulda seen the looks on the faces of the guys I lined up against. It was sidepiped with glass packs. Talk about bad!!!

[Jax]

Yong, on May 26 2008, 07:56 PM, said:

Cheshire, on May 21 2008, 10:07 PM, said:

don't know why rear-wheel is required.

Rear rear drive is a must in order to maintain a drift. Drifting is basically oversteering on all turns. Sure you can slide with a fwd, but once you slide, you're just hoping you won't run into anything before you fully stop. RWD is good because there IS throttle control. If you step on it with a front wheel while sliding, your tires are going to grip and you'll wind up understeering.

Real good drifters can control almost all aspects of the turning...angle, speed..and can change these DURING drifting (impossible to do with a FWD).

High enough horsepower, proper alignment, and proper tire selection (usually slightly softer compound on front than on back) on a FWD WILL drift. The other big concern with FWD drifting is technique. Knowing when to shift (NEVER in the turn.), when to apply throttle or hand brake, and LOTS of practice on a flat, open space makes more difference than a HP rating alone. I used to drift a 2002 Eclipse GS that was on Eibach coilovers running a DOHC swap and turbo, The transmissions don't hold up in them tho, but a custom one will work great. Also, removal of all inner panels and strengthening of the chassis is a must. AWD will drift as well. Again, it is all about the setup and the driver. A locked rear diff and a 1.5 way front helical limited slip on an Evo with the proper alignment and override of the traction control will drift in ways I couldn't believe til I saw it. There is one in Dallas that was built by automotive engineering students as a project for school...

[Yong]

Jax, on Dec 29 2008, 08:08 PM, said:

High enough horsepower, proper alignment, and proper tire selection (usually slightly softer compound on front than on back) on a FWD WILL drift. The other big concern with FWD drifting is technique.

Some good information. But when fwd's are sliding...it's not drifting...it's ASS-SLIDING. You say FWD drifting is all technique..but I can't think of a way you can drift with a fwd then just to e-brake...

Are you telling me you can drift in and out of turns continuously with a FWD? You might get ONE good slide with the e-brake and then understeer your way all the way to the wall. Same with AWD, you'll get too much understeer to get good CONSECUTIVE drifts.

Maybe it's a problem of our differing opinions on the definition of the sport of drifting. I'm just saying any box with wheels can slide..but to drift, you really have to be able to do it more than once consecutively.

Long Drift

If you can do this with a front wheel drive or an all wheel drive vehicle...you deserve a NOBEL.

and just in case...all of the Skylines, WRXs, EVOs you seen drifting...they have ALL been changed to RWD.

Prove me wrong.

This post has been edited by Yong: 31 December 2008 - 12:45 PM

[Yong]

Most people where I live drift with 240sx with SR20s. RBs are too hard to come by and way too expensive. Over-night parts from japan can cost a fortune. Not many AE86s in the east coast... though there's a turbo M3 that rips the I-85 occasionally.

It is an expensive hobby. I am putting it on a moratorium until I finish pharmacy school.

Until then...I did this to my car.



22s on a lowered Honda Element.

[Slowlegs]

Yong, on Dec 31 2008, 05:16 AM, said:

Most people where I live drift with 240sx with SR20s. RBs are too hard to come by and way too expensive. Over-night parts from japan can cost a fortune. Not many AE86s in the east coast... though there's a turbo M3 that rips the I-85 occasionally.

It is an expensive hobby. I am putting it on a moratorium until I finish pharmacy school.

Until then...I did this to my car.

100_1273_1.jpg

22s on a lowered Honda Element.

Hi Yong,
update on the prices us Kiwis pay for 2 door Japanese sports cars. I just sold a 1993 Sylvia with less than 60000miles on behalf of someone else for NZ$2500 (around 1450 US dollars) and it was mint. Even had a sports exhaust, performance shocks, strut brace and smaller momo steering wheel. Jealous much bro? You should consider a move downunder.

[Yong]

Slowlegs, on Dec 31 2008, 01:25 AM, said:

Yong, on Dec 31 2008, 05:16 AM, said:

Most people where I live drift with 240sx with SR20s. RBs are too hard to come by and way too expensive. Over-night parts from japan can cost a fortune. Not many AE86s in the east coast... though there's a turbo M3 that rips the I-85 occasionally.

It is an expensive hobby. I am putting it on a moratorium until I finish pharmacy school.

Until then...I did this to my car.

100_1273_1.jpg

22s on a lowered Honda Element.

Hi Yong,
update on the prices us Kiwis pay for 2 door Japanese sports cars. I just sold a 1993 Sylvia with less than 60000miles on behalf of someone else for NZ$2500 (around 1450 US dollars) and it was mint. Even had a sports exhaust, performance shocks, strut brace and smaller momo steering wheel. Jealous much bro? You should consider a move downunder.

oh my gosh...a right hand drive silvia like you mentioned with an sr20det would sell for AT LEAST 10,000 USD with only 60k miles. That is too unfair.

Before my injury, I was in the officer program for the US Marine Corps and I was going to be stationed in Okinawa, Japan. What a bummer.... if that would have been the case, I could have bought a real silvia or a skyline for not too much and then spend a FORTUNE getting it shipped back to the US..but it still would have been cheaper than to buy it over here.

Too jealous.

Do you have any pictures? I would LOVE to see them.