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[freedomdan]

Clinic name is Neurovita.

Stem Cells through nose injected into spinal cord.

The cost as far as I understand is about $20-40K. You have to be there for
a couple of months and you have to come back after that every three
months or so.


Anyone heard anything about this? Only about 2 months post-SCI, definitely we are all considering this.

[qbounce]

Sounds like a bunch of HUEY to me. China and India are doing stem cell rejuvination also, but my understanding is that no one can really prove they're really using stem cells, and no ones WALKING from these treatments yet.

I'll wait for the STATES, UK, WESTERN EUROPE to get it going before I risk my spine for more feeling over more loss.

[freedomdan]

Seems like good enough for me.

"Seven patients 18-32 years old [ASISA class A] (American Spinal Injury Association) treated after 6 months to 6.5 years after injury. All were improved to some degree. two became class C. Some pain. but it was treated."

[qbounce]

Again Freedomdan,
Who's walking?

I'm not going to risk this or 20K on a hokie-pokie 3rd world countryclaim to cure CSI.

The fact is, if you take that risk, and very near down the line the US gets their funding in line and is also conducting stem cell surgery, the people who already went elsewhere (Russia, China, India) will more than likely be denied as possible candidates (at least for some time, after it starts).

Why, if these trials are so good, aren't we seeing front page headlines about sci para's and quad's healed and walking around?

What I HAVE heard that happens from these stem cell trials, are newer injured patients who haven't spent much time getting familiar with their new found disability, that go into surgery and come out claiming a certain sense of MORE FEELINGS than before. When, in all fairness, they either imagine or would have gotten anyway, do to the newness of their injury.

I seriously think you should slow your roll for a minute and at least look more into why these stem cell trials aren't being performed in any of the Western Countries. Maybe contact the Christopher Reeves Institute and learn more about the research being done and what they say regarding the alternatives.

BTW, I'd pay alot more for a cure than 20K, but I'd rather go to Las Vegas and gamble this money away knowing I at least had FUN with it, than throw it away in something I KNOW isn't going to make my arms or legs work any better than they already do.

I'm sure you've read the threads here under Research Cure and Treatment News?

Edited by qbounce, 08 May 2008 - 11:54 PM.

[milosh]

russia is by no means 3rd world when it comes to medicine, especially spinal injuries. i have experience with both, russia & US. both equally good. russia having better treatments while US having better rehabs.

stem cells are still wasting your time & money. if you put same amount of time, energy & money your life will improve more than by going to any of those treatments.

[hurbshankin]

milosh, on May 9 2008, 08:26 AM, said:

russia is by no means 3rd world when it comes to medicine, especially spinal injuries. i have experience with both, russia & US. both equally good. russia having better treatments while US having better rehabs.

stem cells are still wasting your time & money. if you put same amount of time, energy & money your life will improve more than by going to any of those treatments.

Some interesting research.

Ray of hope for spinal cord patients
By Bill Scanlon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Originally published 09:19 a.m., March 7, 2008
Updated 09:19 a.m., March 7, 2008

Photo by Courtesy: University of Colorado

Spinal cord injuries injected with astrocytes are beginning to reconnect, as indicated by the long, green fibers. In tests, 40 percent of nerve fibers crossed spinal cord injuries in just eight days.


Photo by Courtesy: University of Colorado

Nerve fibers that have either failed to cross a spinal cord injury in untreated spinal cords.



The researcher who found a way to get paralyzed rats back walking is now in Colorado and predicts huge breakthroughs in treatment of human spinal cord injuries in half a decade.
"We've reached a stage where I'm comfortable saying that within the next five years, we will have truly effective new therapies from people with spinal cord injuries," Dr. Stephen Davies said this week.

Talent scouts last year persuaded Dr. Stephen Davies to leave his neurology lab at the Baylor School of Medicine in Texas for the new Anschutz Medical Campus in Aurora, part of the University of Colorado's Health Sciences Center.

Davies brought with him his methods of regenerating damaged spinal cords by suppressing scar tissue and by injecting special cells into the injury.

The two-pronged attack is being used on rats right now, but he predicts there will be human trials within four or five years.

First, he uses a naturally occurring molecule, decorin, to suppress the scar tissue that forms when a spinal cord has been badly bruised or severed.

By blocking the formation of scar tissue, decorin helps the sensory nerve fibers cross the area of the spinal cord injury and reconnect to viable nerves, said Davies, an associate professor in CU's department of neurosurgery and head of the neuro-repair lab.

In rats, it took just four days, said Davies, whose innovation won the American Spinal Injury Association's Breakthrough Award in 2006.

His lab has the gene for the molecule and is working with a biotech company to develop a pharmaceutical-grade decorin that will be ready for the human trials.

Integra Life Sciences out of Piscataway, N.J., is developing the decorin.

The decorin molecule could prove to be helpful even for those people whose spinal cord injuries were five or more years ago by breaking down the scar tissues that has blocked the nerves from attempting to repair themselves.

Davies also has tapped into cells in the human nervous system to help repair spinal cord injuries.

Astrocytes are the cells that make up 70 percent of the nervous system, even though they are not as well known as neurons, he said.

Working with precursor cells, Davies and his colleagues came up with a way to nudge the precursor cells into astrocytes that have a particular knack for healing.

"They're able to promote robust regeneration of nerve fibers across the injury," Davies said. In the rats, "40 percent of the sensory nerve fibers crossed the spinal cord injuries in eight days when we put in the astrocytes."

Within 14 days, the rats were back to their walking pace before their injuries. "We're very excited about the potential of these cells," Davies said.

When the astrocytes are injected at the point of injury, not only do they form a bridge, but they protect the cells in the injured spinal cord from dying, Davies said. That allows the surviving circuits to make new extra connections on their own.

"The idea is to combine the two therapies," decorin and astrocytes, he said.

He is hoping the Department of Defense will continue to show interest in the two therapies.

"If decorin turns out to be as promising as we think it is, it may be included in a kit on the battlefield," Davies said. Medics could administer decorin to prevent scarring from the early moments of the spinal cord injury. "Early intervention is always the best."

Davies got his seed money from the Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation, now called the Christopher and Dana Reeve Foundation.

Davies expects to work with the world-renowned Craig Rehabilitation Hospital in Englewood because physical therapy is such an important complement to genetic and cell-based treatments for patients.

Dr. Wise Young, a neuroscientist and director of Rutgers University's W.M. Keck Center for Collaborative Neuroscience, recently commented on Davies' work, saying, "This is going to create a lot of excitement in the field," and will give a lot of impetus to the push for human trials of spinal injury repair.



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There is some pretty interesting research going on here in the states:

[freedomdan]

When there is a cure, say, 20 years from now. I bet it will only be fore those SCI who are recently injured. And it will be the same olfactory autogenous, through your nose stem cell, like in Russia.

[Ms Rachy]

milosh, on May 9 2008, 10:26 PM, said:

wasting your time & money. if you put same amount of time, energy & money your life will improve more than by going to any of those treatments.

My thoughts exactly.

The reason people often improve is because most places offering a stem cell treatment only do so within one or two years of the SCI, hence you have to take coming out of spinal shock into account. Also, people often stay so long while receiving their "treatment" because they also generally receive an intensive course of physiotherapy, which including coming out of spinal shock will naturally make some sort of difference, but not always.

Trust me, if these guys had a cure or any sort of treatment they would have the Nobel prize. Spend your money on something useful; investments, holidays, a house deposit...

[milosNS]

3 of people i know went to neurovita ,and... 1st is para ,been there 8-9 times ,walking with pilot . 2nd is quad. ,been there 2 times ,not satisfated and 3rd quad. , only once .....