Hunting
#2
Posted 31 October 2005 - 04:42 AM
Reclaiming a part of your life.......priceless.
What kind of deer are they? Up here, we have the whitetail. I'm not too crazy about eating deer meat, although the loin is the best...and ground deer is pretty good in chili.
Female. Incomplete para following a cord stroke in '03. Spina-bifida, severe scoliosis. 18 surgeries total...five spine-related: Three fusions w/hardware, two tethered cord releases.
#3
Posted 31 October 2005 - 03:48 PM
#4
Posted 01 November 2005 - 04:12 AM
#5
Posted 01 November 2005 - 02:06 PM
Hmm, I don't see any antlers! And my greyhound is bigger than those doe. Good thing he was allowed to take two of 'em.
I'm just razzing him like I'm sure his hunting friends did. Tell him "Congratulations" for me. It's getting out in the woods and fresh air that's the important thing. And doing the things he enjoyed before his SCI.
And he looks so macho dressed in his camo and holding that big gun! I once went deer hunting with an old 1930s-40s army surplus British .303 Jungle Mauser..... with iron sights and a flash suppressor on the muzzle. That thing could sure leave a bruise on your shoulder. You Brits must have really been pissed off at Hitler to have designed a cannon er, ah... rifle like that to defeat the Nazis with!
You can look online for some venison recipes. My friend would mix fatty hamburger in with his ground venison. It's so lean that it helps moisturize it and adds some flavor. Venison makes good sausage too when you mix it with beef or pork. That way you don't taste the venison so much! For the roasts those plastic "Bake 'n Bags" will tenderize it.
I loved hunting but I couldn't eat the game I shot. Needing to spit out #6 lead shot from pheasant can be bad on your teeth. And rabbit was usually tough, tasted funky and when the fur was removed reminded me of a little naked human being.
#6
Posted 01 November 2005 - 06:14 PM
He fixed his fourwheeler so that it has a suicide shifter (hand shifter) and he welded a boat seat on the back rack so he could sit on it and hunt. He hasn't used it yet though.
He got one of those camo pop up tents and just put it over him and his wheelchair. It made a great blind!
Bob, I ragged him a little about the deer too...they are smaller than what he would usually kill! He didn't care though...he said if Bambi himself walked out he was going to shoot! His accident was the week before deer season last year so he hasn't actually been hunting since 2003. He said if it's brown it's going down, it it hops it drops, and if it flies it dies!
Also, great news.....now that he is hunting it has really encouraged him to be independent. Last night, he did his routines by himself and I got a full nights sleep! I went to the store this morning and bought him a whole bag full of snickers bars as a surprise! When your wife gets a full nights sleep.. you get snickers....
#7
Posted 01 November 2005 - 11:11 PM
When asked what I'm gonna be for Halloween I usually reply a Volkswagon or a Geo. Maybe next year I'll go as a camo hunting blind!
The farther south you get the smaller the deer are. They have these really tiny deer down in the Florida Keys called Key Deer. They're in the Everglades too. Just before I moved to Florida I sold and gave away all my hunting equipment. If there isn't snow on the ground or at least a bite in the air what fun is hunting? Ya get all hot and sweaty hunting down here too. And the land is flat in Florida.... no hills and valleys... just doesn't look or feel like hunting terrain to me.

Key Deer - Doe and her fawn.
Bruce's deer should save you a lot of money on meat this year. And since they are on the young side they should be more tender. Hell, those little 'uns just may qualify as veal on the hoof!
Though a lot a people usually start their bowel program independence ASAP it's kind of a love story with you and Bruce. You don't seem to mind it because you love him so much and he feels comfortable trusting you with that quite private of bodily functions. When I got outta the rehab my girlfriend/wife didn't want any part of it and I didn't want her to have any part of it either. I keep that part of my life personal except for here at this and one other forum. I'm whackily embarrassed about that kind of stuff... Needless to say my wife and I broke up fairly soon after my accident but it appears as though you and Bruce have a very close and special relationship. It's only been a year since his accident so he's still figuring it all out. You say he's showing signs of progress so that's cool. But he probably won't start doing it ALL the time by himself until he bags that big buck and its eyes are staring at ya 24/7 hanging from your livingroom wall! Lucky you.
Does Bruce have a raised toilet seat that goes over the bathroom toilet? They can be hard to find on the Internet. Especially the ones that are easy to get a hand under. They have a bunch of totally plastic seats but they only have a very small cut-out for an arm/ hand. If you can't find him one let me know. I ordered a couple of them last year and finally know where to find them.
The good thing is that if he ever gets real sick or breaks an arm or whatever you know the bowel program drill very well.
Snickers reminds me of a fellow I met in the SCI rehab named Pete. The nicest guy in the world. He was big ol' 6' 4" biker with tattoos all over his body and a big thick beard. He dove off a pier (I guess macho men don't jump?!) after a stupid crab trap that he dropped the rope from and snapped his neck really high. C-2 or something. He could breathe on his own but only after a few months of therapy. But he had a great appetite for Snicker bars and would eat a whole bag or more of them. Well the nurses caught "wind" of this behavior and started making a joke about it on "Silver Bullet (suppository) Night". I think they tried to push Pete off onto each other because of the big "Magic Mountain" Pete created from all those damn Snicker bars.
So not TOO many Snickers for Bruce.
#8
Posted 02 November 2005 - 04:47 AM
While Bruce was in the hospital I stupidly promised him that if he lived I would decorate the house in camo....BIG mistake! We've sinced compromised on that too....I told him he could put up one more deer head and get a deer antler chandelier. I also told him that when we bought our lake house he could decorate that like a hunting cabin (with me making camo tasteful, of course)!
We have huge deer in Louisiana. Have you ever heard of swamp deer? Anyway, that's what we have here. We also have a lot of wild hogs and that was Bruce's passion. He caught them with one of our American Bulldogs and would tie them up and put them in a pen in the backyard. He is really bummed that he can't chase one down anymore but he is convinced that he is going to catch one from the front rack of a fourwheeler.....oh the joy of being married to a redneck!
As far as our toileting goes...we don't have one. We are in a wicked battle with worker's comp to finish our house and so far we are losing! They widened the doors and pulled the carpet off our floor. So, we have concrete flooring and unpainted walls everywhere. We even had a hole in the ceiling for awhile! We went to court and settled and they are supposed to start work back up on Friday. Well, now that won't happen because our contractor is in New Orleans working on houses there. If it isn't one thing it is another!
Funny story about the snickers "mounds"! I was cleaning up the other day and I had a handful of "stuff" which I accidentally dropped on the carpet! Well, I told Bruce that he couldn't get onto the dogs anymore for pooing on the carpet because he does it too! I told him that I was going to rub his nose in it!!! We've both got sick senses of humor....which is probably why we are so happy all the time!
As far as cleaning him up...I never knew he should do it by himself. The second day of rehab an "education nurse" came in and told me to roll up my sleeves and put on gloves. At first, it was pretty rough but now it is no big deal. I just realized from being on this forum that he should do this by himself. I don't know why they didn't teach him to do it. It doesn't bother me though....of course, we are talking about the man who used to make me come in the bathroom to "talk" while he was doing his business...he was lonely!
#9
Posted 02 November 2005 - 01:22 PM
You may want to get creatively sneaky. Drop a few hints about having a "Trophy Room" built so that Bruce thinks it's his idea. Then he can paint or wallpaper the walls camo and hang all his dead animals in there. Shut then lock the door.... you wanna make sure no one steals his valuables! Outta sight, outta mind. Maybe you can find a way for workman's comp to help pay for it... call it an exercise or therapy room. Hell, stick an exercise machine in there... if you and Bruce don't exercise on it he can use it as a hunting gear rack or whatever. I think after a month or two most people use their exercise machines as a clothes valet anyway.
As a little girl while you were musing about your dreamhouse with that beautiful crystal chandelier in the middle of a huge marble-floored foyer (foyay) little did you know that it would actually be made of deer antler and be hanging in a mudroom! Hey, home is home.
If they're still building his wheelchair accessible bathroom think about a having a toilet installed in the roll-in shower. Or at least have a toilet drain installed if that's still possible so you'll have the option later. Makes it easy to do the bowel program and shower all in one easy move.
Sounds like OxyClean should be a cleaning staple in your house. Between the dogs and Bruce................. Hey, accidents happen. Ooops...
It appears as though Bruce fell through the cracks at the SCI rehab center. At the rehab center that I was at (Orlando) the physical therapists showed us how to safely transfer on and off the toilet while wearing boxer shorts. A dry run so to speak. And the nurses explained how to do the actual digi-stim as they were doing it to us in bed. Just put 2 + 2 together... And they sent me home with a raised toilet seat too. They let you and Bruce go home thinking that it's supposed to be done in bed ALL the time and by you. You two seem to be heading in the right direction now. Cool.
Some people are more comfortable about bathroom issues than others. I saw a show on TV last week about a college girl who needed to come back home for awhile. Her brother and father were in the bathroom together with the door wide open and the old man sitting on the toilet doing his thing. And later the son was sitting there. I would never let anyone film me doing that but it didn't seem to phase these people in the least. Go figure. And I certainly don't want to smell it. I don't wanna smell my own... let alone someone else's! In the house that I grew up in we always had the bathroom door shut and LOCKED for that. Some people don't mind farting in the middle of a group of friends or even strangers. I could hold it long enough to walk away and hopefully to the outside and do it there. It's not a game.... unless you watch a lot of Blue Collar TV and Larry the Cable Guy. He "gets er done" wherever and whenever! It's rude and crude and unnecessary. When I was married I always kept the door at least shut but usually locked. When I was walking I wouldn't even take a leak in front of the women I lived with. But I may take it to extremes in the other direction!
It's been fun chatting about this... hahahahaha...
#10
Posted 02 November 2005 - 08:17 PM
Bruce said no to the toilet in the shower simply because we will be moving in a couple years...bad resale. He said that would be an excellent idea for our next house though because we are building.
#11
Posted 02 November 2005 - 09:58 PM
I couldn't find the one I wanted or needed on the Internet for a long time. I was really surprised how hard they were to find. I even sent emails to a couple rehab facilities (Craig in Colorado for one) but didn't get a response from them. Hmm. Most raised toilet seats are molded plastic and are designed for people who can walk but just need a little help. Do a Google for "raised toilet seats" and you'll see. And the few medical stores that are around here don't carry them either. But with dogged determination (and really needing a new one very badly!) I finally found one and ordered it. But it only had 4 aluminum upright posts that just kinda pressure fit onto the toilet. It didn't have the 5th upright post in the front that kept it from sliding forward and scaring the hell outta me. The fifth upright really keeps it in place a lot better. So a month later I looked around and found a better one and ordered it. So I have 2 new raised toilet seats and 2 old in the garage. I can't even throw an old useless toilet seat away. God help me. But those stupid plastic non-slip thinger-majiggers on the uprights have a way of coming off and getting lost. Grrr........ They should be re-glued on from the git-go.
Here's the one that I use now with the 5 uprights. (Price $44.99) It doesn't attach REAL firmly and probably isn't the safest raised toilet seat around but as you can see it's easy to get an arm/hand under. And the shower massage if you wanna do a quick wash down there! But you need a shower massage with an on/off valve on the end if you can't reach the water knobs.
It really isn't very safe without safety grab bars installed. I'm used to just grabbing onto the toilet seat and getting onto it but I'm taking unnecessary risks. My brother-in-law was supposed to..... well, you know! But Bruce may want to have someone there to help and perhaps catch him when he first starts using it. I'm sure you're strong but maybe his linebacker brother could help with the training.... just in case. You can buy grab bars that attach to the wall or up from the floor with screws or anchor bolts. They sell grab bars that attach onto the tub and even onto the toilet with pressure clamps but they don't look very sturdy or safe to me. You and Bruce will have to figure out what's best and safe in your bathroom.
But this one is the kind I got from the rehab (Price $79.95) and would recommend for Bruce. It screw-clamps securely onto the toilet and even has a padded seat. I found this after I already bought two so I wasn't going to buy a third in as many months! With this one securely attached to the toilet and with a safety grab bar or two installed he should be all set to GO. He'll probably be a little scared at first.... that hard tile floor is HARD if he ever falls. Drinking and pooping not advised! I've never fallen in the bathroom (yet) but it would be a serious fall no doubt. He needs to be careful.
You have to remove the white plastic "splash guard" from these toilet seats. It's only held on by 4 small screws.
I thought about getting one of those manufactured handicapped porceline raised toilet seats but decided against it. Able-bodied people find them too high to comfortably or functionally (humans should be in somewhat of a squatting position for best results!) use and for the handicapped person there's no way to adjust them. You're stuck with what you get and I don't think you can put a raised toilet seat on it because it would be too high. And with the portable raised toilet seat you can take it with you when you travel. And I don't know if the porceline toilets give you a choice about what side the cut-out is on and the cut-out looks awfully small to me. You want to be able to get under there good!
And since you'll be moving in a while it wouldn't be a very frugal choice now. You and Bruce should find a store that sells them and try them out first. It's quite an investment and you'll be stuck with it virtually forever.
After Bruce gets used to doing the bowel program in the bathroom he'll be able to figure out for himself if having a toilet in the shower is a good idea for him or not. There's a lot of time to think about these esoteric, mind-expanding quandaries while sitting on the throne. It's something that you'll have to plan ahead for anyway because you'll need to have the drain installed prior to pouring the foundation of your new house. You could have the drain installed and cover it up with a chrome or brass plate and you'll always have the option to install it later. I don't think it would add very much to the cost of a new house.
I'm so excited for you and Bruce embarking together on another life enhancing journey.
Terse is not in my vocabulary!
#12
Posted 03 November 2005 - 03:03 AM
Price really doesn't matter because worker's comp pays for all of this stuff. The renovations are already going to cost around $55,000 so I don't think a couple hundred more will matter!
Those raised toilet seats look wicked! I'm not sure I understand how they attach...do they just clip on the bowl??? We have a shower chair that supposedly goes over the toilet but he would have to put his hand in through the front which I imagine isn't the easiest thing to do!
I'll have to marinate on the thought of toilet seats while I sleep!
Thanks again Bob!
#13
Posted 03 November 2005 - 08:08 AM
The one I have just sits on top of the bowl. I carefully bent the metal uprights so it fits snuggly onto the toilet bowl rim with spring-like tension and the little plastic tabs help keep it in place with friction. But I wouldn't recommend this one to Bruce because it really isn't safe for the novice! Haha.. the novice toilet seat pooper! Actually it isn't safe for anyone. I'm an accident just waiting to happen.
But the second one ($79.95) has a large wingnut on each of the 4 uprights that you turn to securely tighten onto the the rim of the toilet bowl. (Enlarge the picture to see.) When they're firmly tightened onto the toilet bowl rim it's very stable, secure and safe. But every handicapped bathroom should have safety grab bars as an added precaution. And the raised toilet seat can be easily removed so the able-bodied can have their normal height toilet seat.
I remember my wife sitting atop mine. Her feet couldn't reach the floor and she'd swing them back and forth! Hilarious....that kept us laughing for awhile.
You can go to the local hardware store and have them cut and thread some 2 and a half inch diameter galvanized pipe to make a very sturdy floor-mounted grab bar. Have 2 pieces cut about the height of the raised toilet seat or perhaps a bit taller. And another shorter piece about 6-10 inches for the upper cross member. And connect the 3 pieces together with 90* galvanized threaded elbow joints so it looks like an elongated "U". Then attach galvanized threaded floor mounts onto the elongated "U" and screw or anchor them into the floor by the toilet. Bruce will want to practice getting on and off the toilet so he knows exactly where to position the grab bar. He may want it positioned at a weird angle to the toilet so that it fits his hand just right. Before anchoring it to the floor move it around until you find the exact place for it.
Or pay a little extra and buy a pretty chrome grab bar from the medical supply store like most normal people would do!
Workman's comp should pay for all this stuff and to have a professional come out to your home and work with you and Bruce to make his bathroom accessible and safe. Even if you're only going to be there for a couple more years.
I don't have brakes or wheel locks on my wheelchair either so it's a real trip transferring from my wheelchair onto that rickety raised toilet seat. I grab it with one hand kinda holding it in place so it doesn't move and come off the toilet bowl rim. Then I pull myself over onto it. It's especially challenging with slippery and sometimes even wet floor tiles. It's behavior like this that put me in this damn wheelchair to begin with.
When they build Bruce's bathroom and roll-in shower inquire about non-slip floor tile. It's available.
#14
Posted 04 November 2005 - 11:29 PM
http://www.invacare....795&catOID=null
I basically undress in bed and transfer onto this commode chair. From there, I lift the toilet seat (it's a guy thing, and also necessary with this setup) and wheel over top of the toilet. Once finished I wheel myself into the shower...then back to bed.
The two differences in my method. First, I have a custom seat that looks the same but fits my butt to a tee..(nice picture there). Secondly, I rotate the opening on the seat so the opening is on my left side. This seat easily lifts up and off the frame. Turn it 90 degrees and snap it down again. I find my arm will reach under my butt better from the side. The frame has a small bend in it, and with the cutaway, it makes all the chores easy.
This frame is foldable so it can be packed in a car trunk for travel. The model comes in a couple of styles. I choose the one with the large back tires so I can wheel myself.
I would fit the commode chair to the toilet as I have seen instances where large water tanks on the toilet interfer with the rear tires such that the commode chair cannot roll far enough back. Other than that, you can both use the same toilet...
#15
Posted 05 November 2005 - 04:33 AM
We have an invacare shower/toilet chair....but I had no idea that it would wheel over the toilet! I'm blond! I thought you had to go in the iddy bitty pan underneath and everytime I think of cleaning it out I get a little faint!
We have a contractor who works primarily with handicapp renovations. That's all fine and dandy but I think the only way to really know what you need is to actually be in a chair. I'm glad we have an "experiment house" to do all of this stuff on before we build the one who plan on being in forever!
I finally saw a handicapped toilet when I got ill at school last night! In fact, I saw it VERY close up!!! It was kinda funny because I was sick but all I could think about was studying this toilet seat while I was in there!!
I've got more questions for y'all but tonight I can't think anymore.....I have to get up at 4 am to take "the mighty hunter" into the woods!
By the way, Bruce passed his test to become a police dispatcher! (a little off subject, I know, but I am excited for him!)
#16
Posted 05 November 2005 - 10:27 AM
And having two wheelchairs next to my bed at once is kinda like playing musical chairs for me. I would feel like an automobile valet moving the chairs around each other while perched precariously on the edge of the bed. That's a far reach especially with the cambered wheels of my Quickie. I have my bed in a corner so only have access to one side of it. On the occasion when the dog decides to visit me in bed she doesn't fall out while sleeping on her back then rolling over. Been there already!
And I've heard that some shower/commode wheeled chairs are hard to get your hand under because either the wheel is in the way or it's just too far of a reach. But perhaps they've been redesigned to make it better. Like AHolland's idea of switching the cut-out from the front to the side. Maybe you woman have experience going in from the front... but it's the side door for most men.
#17
Posted 05 November 2005 - 06:20 PM
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And congratulations to Bruce for passing that test! I hope he goes all the way and it's something he likes doing.
Female. Incomplete para following a cord stroke in '03. Spina-bifida, severe scoliosis. 18 surgeries total...five spine-related: Three fusions w/hardware, two tethered cord releases.
#18
Posted 06 November 2005 - 08:32 PM
I just hope he can handle it. The sore on his bottom will be healed in about 2 weeks...how realistic is it to expect him to be able to sit up for 8 hours a day for his job?
Oh, by the way....Bruce goes on his first hunting trip by himself Thursday! I'm nervous but I am going to have a great girls night...I haven't done anything with my friends in over a year!
#19
Posted 06 November 2005 - 10:48 PM
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Hi hillary,
I go to college 9-6, 3 days a week, and i work in a shop 9-6, 2 days a week, you just need regular pressure lifts and you should be fine, although it is easy to forget, and have not done one for say three hours!!, but i try and do one every 45 minutes, only for about 5 seconds, and it seems to work for me,
but you just have to watch able bodied people, if you notice they move round every 10 minutes, which is what i try and do, just move my hips or wiggle about in my seat, it all helps
but you shouldn't take any notice of able bodied people as they tend to be useless !!!
(oh hillary, your able bodied aren't you !!!
#20
Posted 07 November 2005 - 12:18 AM
I am useless today...I won't argue! I'm still in my pajamas......I guess it is about time to get back in them anyway! I've eaten cake for breakfast, lunch, and now it is time for dinner! I think I may cook though so Bruce can actually eat something besides leftovers from last night!
#21
Posted 09 November 2005 - 02:53 AM
The chair that I use comes with a seat....Okay, okay...Anyhow, the seat is made with clips so that you can pop it off, rotate it 90 degrees and pop it back on. It's made that way, to turn. Also if you could look closer at the frame, you would see that the frame is not straight along the side, but instead has a kink in the bar, right where you would pass your hand through to access your bottom. Between the kink in the bar, and the cutaway in the seat, it is quite easy to dp your thing.
And to think that the only time I have ever had my head in a toilet is if I was giving an offering to the great porcelin goddess (throwing up).
#22
Posted 09 November 2005 - 04:21 AM
#24
Posted 06 January 2006 - 01:56 PM
#25
Posted 06 January 2006 - 03:08 PM
We haven't got it sorted because we still don't have a bathroom that he can fit into. Worker's comp is giving us the shaft. We have to go back to court about the whole thing at the ened of the month.
I do have a question about the toilet seat though. How do you reach underneath yourself when you are on the toilet if the seat isn't raised? I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but we have no experience at all with going on the toilet.
Thanks.
#26
Posted 06 January 2006 - 04:18 PM
#27
Posted 06 January 2006 - 04:21 PM
#28
Posted 06 January 2006 - 11:26 PM
We haven't used it because of my husband's pressure ulcer...but, that healed last night!!! So, maybe we will try it next week.
Russ, I thought those raised seats had a cutout on the front or the side so you could stick your hand under it????? I guess it is just one of those things that Bruce will have to figure on his own...I mean nobody can really tell you the best way to wipe your own butt, huh?
#29
Posted 11 January 2006 - 02:55 AM
I videotaped it and he is putting together a video of him and a lot of his friends (para and quads) hunting a fishing. He is going to distribute them to some of the rehabs down here in the South. Basketball and hockey don't really appeal to a lot of the 'good ole boys' who have been injured!
#30
Posted 11 January 2006 - 06:28 PM
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