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http://news.bbc.co.u...ech/7426822.stm

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OK.... Where do I sign up to be the first to get my brain controlled legs??

[Webwych]

Why should a disabled person go through that surgery when the able bodied society could make painless modification to premesis and work to change societies's atittudes instead?

Have you noticed how it's always US who are expected to go through painful and dangerous procedures to fit in with them?

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Webwych,
Maybe SOME people might LIKE the idea of walking again, or using limbs once more that were amputated . . . whether it's robotically, or through stem cells.

I think we're seen and accepted more in society now more than ever before, and these leaps and bounds in science are the proof of that!

We aren't just sitting at home anymore, hiding in our small, dark corners of the world. We're working, contributing members of society who have shown AB's we can function to a large degree, like everyone else.

And being seen and noticed out in public has afforded us the right for science to try new and innovative ways in helping ALL disabled peopleget back what they once had.

Just think a little bit before you rant about how society DOESN'T accept us. On the contrary, they now DO ACCEPT US, and want to help us . . . that's why science is focusing on new cures now more than ever before.

[Webwych]

qbounce, on May 30 2008, 06:35 PM, said:

Webwych,
Maybe SOME people might LIKE the idea of walking again, or using limbs once more that were amputated . . . whether it's robotically, or through stem cells.

I think we're seen and accepted more in society now more than ever before, and these leaps and bounds in science are the proof of that!

We aren't just sitting at home anymore, hiding in our small, dark corners of the world. We're working, contributing members of society who have shown AB's we can function to a large degree, like everyone else.

And being seen and noticed out in public has afforded us the right for science to try new and innovative ways in helping ALL disabled people get back what they once had.

Just think a little bit before you rant about how society DOESN'T accept us. On the contrary, they now DO ACCEPT US, and want to help us . . . that's why science is focusing on new cures now more than ever before.

Woah there, Pickle! Ease up on the defensive tone ok?

I was making an observation, not having a rant (you wanna see rant? go to my blogger! ).

I noticed your in So Cal. Have you ever lived in England? That probably goes a long way to explaining our different experiences.

I wasn't saying that people shouldn't take advantage of scientific progress, I was just observing that maybe people who would be otherwise content to give the arduous surgeries and and wot-not a miss feel that they have to be 'normal' because only people who get around on two healthy legs count for anything (again, this is a message that may or may not be insinuated to you depending on the culture you live in).

Me? I don't give a flying wotsit, I like who I am and anyone who has a problem with that can.....well, you fill in the blanks

I just wonder sometimes if people felt there's nothing wrong with being disabled, that they'd save themselves a lot of physical and mental pain and disappointment.

I've never been able bodied, and recently realised my walking days are completely over (yes, it hurt). My point is that a person should take these opportunities for themselves, not because society says they should in order to be the 'normal ideal'.

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Webwych, on May 30 2008, 02:43 PM, said:

I've never been able bodied, and recently realised my walking days are completely over (yes, it hurt). My point is that a person should take these opportunities for themselves, not because society says they should in order to be the 'normal ideal'.

Sorry to hear that you have never been able-bodied but to everyone else's defense, getting up on two and being 'able' is helluva lot better than this wheelchair nonsense...not mandated by society but based on personal experience.

Do you think by reprimanding top-notch scientists and researchers by saying "why are WE the guinea pigs all the time???", society will somehow improve its views on the disabled community?

If you're fine with being who you are, all the more to you. But if some of us would like to walk again, I think the painful surgery and recovery is our prerogative.

I think your argument is a great one..that a person should do this for themselves and not to fit in... it's just that circumstances in which you make the argument are a bit awry. Nobody is forcing the disabled community to be 'normal'.

[Webwych]

Yong, on May 30 2008, 08:11 PM, said:

Sorry to hear that you have never been able-bodied but to everyone else's defense, getting up on two and being 'able' is helluva lot better than this wheelchair nonsense...not mandated by society but based on personal experience.

Do you think by reprimanding top-notch scientists and researchers by saying "why are WE the guinea pigs all the time???", society will somehow improve its views on the disabled community?

If you're fine with being who you are, all the more to you. But if some of us would like to walk again, I think the painful surgery and recovery is our prerogative.

I think your argument is a great one..that a person should do this for themselves and not to fit in... it's just that circumstances in which you make the argument are a bit awry. Nobody is forcing the disabled community to be 'normal'.

Don't be sorry, once the penny dropped and I stopped driving myself crazy with frustration through trying to be 'normal' and started telling the professionals where they can shove their surgery and the metal gubbins they insist on strapping to your legs, it's really not a big deal. 'Embrace the wheels and have a life instead of fighting with the crutches'.

Again, I was not 'reprimanding' anyone, merely making an observation. It's a 'me thing' I like philosophical debate and 'thinking aloud'.

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Webwych,
It's always nice to see the larger picture of where someone's coming from . . . guess I like a good debate too!!

But, Pickle??

[Webwych]

qbounce, on May 30 2008, 10:30 PM, said:

Webwych,
It's always nice to see the larger picture of where someone's coming from . . . guess I like a good debate too!!

But, Pickle??

Yeah, 'Pickle'...wotcha gonna do about it, huh?

Ok, I'm done being serious. What kinda mischief could a person get up to with a mechanical arm (I was going to say 'appendage', then foresaw the thread rolling right into the gutter and decided not to ).

[qbounce]

Depends . . . I could ALWAYS use an extra hand!