[graphic]

I came across these chairs as I was searching the net and wondered if anyone saw them at the Disability Awareness Day or, better still, has bought one. They're made of carbon fibre and look good in pics but would like some user feedback before enquiring further. The link is:
http://futurechairs.co.uk
Clive

[ems]

I've had a carbon chair before, and the first kerb I jumped it cracked. So I'm not really sure about them. I did contact them couple of months ago, but I did feel they gave an unreasonably confident answer, to a very precise question. Also at £2595 BASE price not the most competitive in the market for the weight of the chair.

I've gon with an RKG maxlite But my lightest of all chairs I have weighs 2.5 kg, and its a Mirage, from Cyclone built to go in an airline locker ;) But thin cantilever frames I dont find great for everyday use... way too flexy!

Emma....



the email.. and attachment orderform for the future chairs...../hmmm i'll make it a pdf.. its too larage as a doc file...






Hi Emma,

Thanks for your email and interest in our wheelchairs.

Please find a pricelist / order form attached.

For all information on our chairs, simply visit www.futurechairs.co.uk

If you need further information or advice etc. please feel free to contact me on the numbers below.

Ensuring you of our best intentions, and friendly customer service.

No high pressure sales, just simply the best wheelchairs in the U.K.

Hope this helps you out,

Mark Beesley.
Sales Manager


Tel: 01744 637809 - my direct line
Fax: 01744 637178
Mobile: 07860 239011

----- Original Message ----- From: "emma"
To: <sales@futurechairs.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:09 AM
Subject: re pricing...


> hiya,
>
> Whats the base price on your chair?
>
> Emma.

[graphic]

Thanks Emma,
The price does seem expensive compared to other chairs. I didn't realise carbon fibre could be so brittle, I thought it would have been much stronger than titanium.
Thanks again, Clive

[harry521]

graphic, on Jul 5 2008, 04:56 PM, said:

Thanks Emma,
The price does seem expensive compared to other chairs. I didn't realise carbon fibre could be so brittle, I thought it would have been much stronger than titanium.
Thanks again, Clive

Hello Clive and Emma

I am Marcus I designed and manufacture the chairs.

Emma I am sorry you have had a poor experience with carbon fibre, this chair will change all that, if your early carbon chair broke that is because it was not made correctly, I am guessing it was the Quickie? which was a very poor early design.

Carbon fibre is not brittle, if it used correctly, after all the Airbus A380 has a high percentage of carbon in it, all high spec F1 cars are almost entirely built from it and modern fighter jets are built from it,racing bikes, fishing rods etc etc so if its made correctly it is a fantastic material. it is incredibly strong and is the best material for fatigue, a considerable improvement over Ti, Aloy etc.

If you look at a F1 car the front wishbones (the bits that hold the wheels on) are made totally from carbon, ignore all the aero shrouds that you can see on the TV, underneath is a very small section approx 25mm x 12mm and that takes a 600kg car braking at 5G so the wishbones and that tiny section is seeing 3000KG! carbon if used correctly is fantastic.

Future Chairs is one of the few company that has carried out official testing on it chairs, the chairs have gone through rigorous testing, with 100kg on the chair, they have seen 200,000 fatigue impacts and 6666 drop impacts to simulate curb drops etc, also the casters and footrest have been impacted, other tests have also been carried out, 60,000 brake applications etc, MANY other manufactures have not passed this test.

The chairs are the lightest, the complete chair can weigh as little as 6.3kg complete, and its adjustable!, the only other chair close is 6.9kg's

The base price includes Spinergy's so theres no huge up charge!

The chairs are a piece of fantastic engineering not just a load of bent tubes welded together, and twisted / hammered around until its straight, ALOT of design has been carried out, and every area has been improved over standard chairs.

Please dont be put off by carbon chairs, I think you would be pleasently surprised when you tried the 'Free Spirit'

If I can help you further please dont hesitate to contact me.

If anyone is concerned please feel free to contact me direct the link is on the website, the testing has been carried out to EU and CE standards, if you would like anymore infomation please contact me.

Best regards

Marcus

This post has been edited by harry521: 11 July 2008 - 09:09 PM

[ems]

Market research.... sorry but there are plenty of chairs, which are lighter than that .. as I mentioned.. I have a cyclone mirage that weighs 2.5 kg with its front castors forks seat upholstry and frame... I do have a skinny but, but I'm not the only one after 10 years of being in a chair! Sure I have a lightweight backrest on it.. and I use spinergyies with 200gm race tyres... its lighter!!! I've just got the CAD drawings back for my RGK 7lb frame and complete.. without cushion... but with upholstry and castors and my spinergies with titanium handrims no screws no bolts.. its all welded even the footplate.. comes out at 11lbs. I've had every ounce stripped off that is not necessary for my weight to keep the chair rigid. no rigidiser on the backrest, no curves int he metal.. all straight to save a few more grams.

My point being there are plenty of custom chair manufacturers that CAN make chairs under the weight of you chair, I understand you could possibly do it lighter than stated, and that is for a standard size etc, but surely its not fair to the general public, and to those investing in an expensive product, like us, and especially newly injured, to give such claims, knowing there are other companies that can do it lighter!!!

I personaly dont belive that the lifespan of a carbon frame will be greater than a ti-ali or ali frame, people dont bounce down curbs the same way everytime, sometimes it goes wrong, sometimes you miss judge it.
Over 5 years, your test figures only allow for 3.65 jumps of a curb a day. Today I went down stairs.... .bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump..... got on and off a train on a low platform in Brighton.. big bump!... no idea how many curbs I went up and down. I'm T12 and very active. I push 4 miles every morning with my dog, all my friends houses have steps of one sort or another, if not at the front doot.. out onto the garden..
I use my chair as a trailer on my bike with all sorts of things on... sometimes a dog.. mostly a backpack filled with a waitrose shop.

Ive had a carbon chair from kuschall, and had x core wheels.. the chair lasted me two weeks, and the wheels less than a month. The only carbon I have now are on my handbike, they will never bounce up and down curbs, and are kept in a padded bag, cos I know delicate they are! They are meant for speed, on a nice smooth surface.

Just my rant on carbon. Sorry, I just dont think that carbon is designed for the job.



Which chair is it that weighs 6.9kg complete?
F1 cars dont bounce very well, airbuses dont bounce very well.. none of the objects you have mentioned have the whole frame made of carbon.
Carbon doesnt like flex.. you end up having to drill tiny hole in it to stop the crack spreading up the weave.
Adjustable chairs have more flex/give/movement in than non adjustable chairs... and not only is it Adjustable its a Cantilever frame.. which wants to flex.
I have a quickie Ti ( not proud of it.. its a spare), yoiu can push the front of the frame against a brick wall and it will push the frame in more than an inch. If I did that to a carbon frame it would moce then crack. The frame moves every push I take, everytime I hit a little stone the chair flexes. I dont like it, it tips you out forwards with the release of the momentum.


final q?

How long have you sat in a chair?

This post has been edited by ems: 11 July 2008 - 11:16 PM

[silone74]

I have been intouch with future chairs and had a great response from them although i have some issuse with carbon fibre not with standing every day use as i too give my ti chair some real abuse i am very interested in seeing a used chair that is used by a wheelchair user every day and then see what the chair holds up like and knowing that the voulcher scheme could be used to part payment for a chair from future chairs it lessons the price alot if you can get the voulcher.
I will keep my options open when my new voulcher arrives and will be checking the carbon chair out as i will with other chairs 2.
I realise that the wheelchair market needs a shake up to produce lighter and stronger chairs but the expense needs to be taken into account also as alot of people me included have no spare cash to buy a chair that is not just the lightest chair to have but is something needed to make our lives easier and make us independent i think something should be done about prices for all disability equipment more so for wheelchairs look at the US prices and tell me why UK prices are nearly double?

Sorry for the rant at the end

Silone74

[KimAndSophie]

I found another carbon fiber chair awhile back. It's the Progeo Joker Carbon.

[russ1]

Having read ems and marcus's posts I felt inclined to comment. Carbon Fibre is an amazing material and as marcus states the wishbones of a F1 car are quite possibly the highest tech application of any material anywhere. If the F1 teams choose CF for that application it's because it's the strongest & stiffest material available. The problem with CF and the reason it has such a bad name is that the manufacturing process is critical and F1 teams have quality assurance procedures that make brain surgery look like your average back street garage. CF is very susceptible to problems with manufacturing, when done proberly it's as good as marcus claims, when done badly it's as bad as ems suggests.

If Marcus gets his CF sections made to F1 levelsvof quality then I'd not be surprised at all if he can produce a chair that lives up to all his claims, whether he can do that obviously remains to be seen but given that repairs to CF frames are virtually impossible i'd want a very good warantee or a new for old accidental damage insurance policy factored in to the cost. I'd have one though, personally I love cantilever frames and to get the extra stiffness of a carbon one would be a bonus although I do like a little flex in my frame - personal preference I suppose.

As for the difference in cost between UK and US it's the same for mountain bikes and even Levi's so I guess wheelchairs aren't going to be any different.

[blckchns]

Funny thing, I just came accross this website today and was going to post a new thread. I'm sure glad I did a search first. I'm in the market for a new chair and I'm looking for a U.S. vendor, but so far I've been unsuccessful. Looks like I'm going to have to have one shipped to the U.S. Anyway, subscribed for future updates.

[harry521]

Hello Emma

To reply to your questions, concerns etc:

Carbon DOES FLEX.

Check out You Tube and search for

OSCAR PISTORIUS - The Blade Runner, the Blade runner an chap who runs using the carbon fibre blade legs, THEY FLEX big time, they have to, it a good video to show how much carbon flex's

ALL of the below are built from carbon in one form or another:

Aircraft flex,
F1 cars flex,
fishing rods flex,
ski's flex,
tennis rackets flex,
golf clubs flex
bike frames flex,
seat posts flex
handle bars flex
carbon torsion tubes flex

The list go's on

Nearly all top end bikes, handle bars, cranks, seats etc etc are now made from carbon, for sure Trek, Scott, Specilized etc etc would not make carbon bikes if they snapped when you went over a stone or a bump.

One of the great things about carbon is that you can 'tune' the manuafacture to give alot of flex or a little, so if someone wanted a very stiff chair that would be possible, if someone wanted a chair that flexed more, lets say to give a smoother ride that is possible, with alloy, Ti, steel chairs that is not possible.

With Ti, Alloy, steel chairs in the area of the bend, which is at most times the most stressed area, when a alloy, steel, Ti tube is bent the outside of the bend is streched and therefore becomes thinner, the inside is compressed, so you end up with a section that is not uniformed, have a look at the bend on the carbon chairs it is a larger section, for 3 reasons: 1 because it is a stressed area, 2 because it gives a larger area for your leg to rest against, helping with pressure sores etc, 3 it looks great!

Carbon fishing rods bend and flex a HUGE amount, you can nearly bend a carbon rod double, anyone who go's fishing can see the rod bend and flex when they catch a fish, THEY FLEX

The carbon the chairs are made from is the same grade and spec of carbon fibre material as a F1 car, all the carbon work is carried out in a clean room, temperature and humidity controlled, then cured in a auto clave to a computer run vacuum and cure program, trimmed polished and inspected.

Carbon materials and design has progressed an enormous amount over the last few years, and it is now becoming a much more used material, for a reason, because its SO GOOD.

F1 cars do bounce, bounce too much really, the engineers are always trying to keep the car on the ground more for aero stability, traction etc look at the front suspension when they run the curbs, for sure they bounce around.

An F1 cars wings FLEX, there are rules in place by the FIA to STOP them flexing SO MUCH (the closer the front wing is to the track, the better aero performance you get, they stopped the rear wings from flexing because it was deemed to be against the rules and seen as a movable aero device.

The test stated is carried by the MHRA, and is recognized all over Europe and the USA, not all companys do this test.

If I run into a curb, yes the frame will flex and no it will not break, I have done it many many times.

The latest Mirage is 6.35KG and its a non adjustable chair.

If the RGK is 11lb that is 4.99 kg?

24" Spinergys with Ti handrims and qr pins are around 3.64kg that leaves 1.35kg, 3" casters and forks are approx 460grms, that leaves 890, seat and backrest upholstery are approx 400grms, that leaves just 490 grms for the rest? The RGK is on the web at 6.9kg


If you do not like the chairs that's cool no worries,

Thanks and regards

Marcus

This post has been edited by harry521: 15 July 2008 - 07:59 AM

[silone74]

I have like i said spoken to future chairs and warrenty is there with the chairs, down to preference at the end of the day i like the look of them and the lightness is a massive insentive to try 1 out, all manufacturers state weights of there chairs but most do this for the smaller frame not a 16 x 16 and i have weighed my tilite and the carbon chair blows it out of the water mine weighs the same with the wheels off as that does with the wheels on this can only be a good thing for every 1 that wants to be more active and for car transfers it would be awsome.
As said i will be checking them out when my new voulcher arrives, if they are what they say i can only imagine future chairs going from strength to strentgh then lowering the price LOL and i have posted on the same topic before and my offer still stands if future chairs want to donate a chair to me i would test it out for a few years LOL


Silone74

[cottemonster]

Hello Emma,

Please don't take offence by anything I am have to say below, you are obviously a fiery lady by the sounds of things ;-)

I am Mark Beesley, co-owner of Future Chairs.

Firstly: Thanks for posting the reply for others to see what I emailed to you.............you asked me:

"Whats the base price on your chair?"

...........and I sent you an order form / pricelist...........

You say on your post "I did feel they gave an unreasonably confident answer, to a very precise question."

Did I not give you the price as you wanted to your "very precise question"??

Anyway, without further moaning by myself about redistributing a personal email for all the world to see, I hope that my partner, Marcus has been able to educate you / bring you up to date with the advantages of carbon fibre.

Secondly: I don't think that Marcus deserved the sarcasm you used at the end of your rant............."how long have you been in your chair" was not very nice was it..........but I do understand where you're coming from.

Marcus, as you already must have known, is not a wheelchair user, nor does he have a disability, yet he has gone out there with his sole intention of helping us wheelies.

The design and concept of the chair were actually influenced by myself. I have been in my chair for 10 years, and have been selling chairs, scooters and allsorts for the last 9 years from my own mobility business.

I reckon that I pretty well know everything there is to know about wheelchairs now with having my own business for so long..........I've sat and tried every model of wheelchair there is - FACT.

The future Chairs line of wheelchairs, in my eyes, are the best you will ever see..........but you will say that I am bound to say that as I am involved with the company. They are the lightest and they are the best - FACT.

I have been sat in my Free Spirit Ergo now for over 8 months without ANY problems..............

The chair I use is the one that we had tested by the MHRA which passed with flying colours.

The only manufacturers, as well as ourselves, that have their chairs tested by the MHRA are Invacare and Quickie. All other bespoke manufacturers have NOT had their chairs tested - FACT.

This said, would you / anyone else realy want to buy a chair that hasn't been tested, let alone passed safety tests ??

Like yourself, I am a very active wheelchair user...........I go to the Gym on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and do my cardio (pushing in the chair) every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday morning. Including the cardio, I reckon I must push an average of 15 miles a week, which personally I feel is excellent considering my disability.

I like being a keep fit fanatic, I like punishing my chair, and I enjoy helping others to find the right tools from the job.

Emma - have a read up on carbon fibre - when you actually know what you're talking about, maybe you can come back on here and let us have your 5p's worth of input ??

Infact Emma, how about a challenge........if you're up for it.

If you really think that carbon fibre is no good, why not demo one of our chairs? it doesn't matter to us whether you want to buy one or not, but it would be good to get your feedback..........I'd even like to wager a bet that you can't break it !!

Are you up for it ??

Mark.

ems, on Jul 5 2008, 01:15 PM, said:

I've had a carbon chair before, and the first kerb I jumped it cracked. So I'm not really sure about them. I did contact them couple of months ago, but I did feel they gave an unreasonably confident answer, to a very precise question. Also at £2595 BASE price not the most competitive in the market for the weight of the chair.

I've gon with an RKG maxlite But my lightest of all chairs I have weighs 2.5 kg, and its a Mirage, from Cyclone built to go in an airline locker ;) But thin cantilever frames I dont find great for everyday use... way too flexy!

Emma....



the email.. and attachment orderform for the future chairs...../hmmm i'll make it a pdf.. its too larage as a doc file...






Hi Emma,

Thanks for your email and interest in our wheelchairs.

Please find a pricelist / order form attached.

For all information on our chairs, simply visit www.futurechairs.co.uk

If you need further information or advice etc. please feel free to contact me on the numbers below.

Ensuring you of our best intentions, and friendly customer service.

No high pressure sales, just simply the best wheelchairs in the U.K.

Hope this helps you out,

Mark Beesley.
Sales Manager


Tel: 01744 637809 - my direct line
Fax: 01744 637178
Mobile: 07860 239011

----- Original Message ----- From: "emma"
To: <sales@futurechairs.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:09 AM
Subject: re pricing...


> hiya,
>
> Whats the base price on your chair?
>
> Emma.

[cottemonster]

Pic from the Daily Post

[Texaswheelz]

cottemonster, on Jul 15 2008, 06:30 AM, said:

Infact Emma, how about a challenge........if you're up for it.

If you really think that carbon fibre is no good, why not demo one of our chairs? it doesn't matter to us whether you want to buy one or not, but it would be good to get your feedback..........I'd even like to wager a bet that you can't break it !!

Are you up for it ??

Mark.

Hiya, I'll be happy to take up that challenge if for some reason that Emma chooses not to. I'll give it a proper workout in the streets and trains of Dallas Texas and give ya all the feed back ya want.

[silone74]

Nice 1, gimme a chair LOL


Silone74

[cottemonster]

Thanks for the input to all reading this thread.

Carbon fibre is a unique material, and a lot of peeps seem to know everything about it........or not, all of a sudden.

For anyone who is not entirely certain as to how good carbon fibre really is, in a multitude of ways; i.e. how it can be applied / its performance / its weigh / its properties etc. etc. all you have to do is search the net and take a looksie............

I really do wish that Future Chairs were in a position to let peeps try out these chairs for as long as they wanted to, maybe in the future we will be able to do so........who knows.

Mark

[graphic]

Oh heck, I didn't mean to start trouble!! I love the look and weight of the Future chairs and will definitely be looking out for one at a show. Just one other question. The paint on my Kuschall Active Pro has chipped with all the knocks my chair gets. I've been tempted by a matt finish titanium because I feel it won't show the knocks so bad. Will the surface of carbon scratch easily and lose it's shiny finish?
Thanks, Clive

[wheeliej]

cottemonster, on Jul 15 2008, 09:05 PM, said:

Thanks for the input to all reading this thread.

Carbon fibre is a unique material, and a lot of peeps seem to know everything about it........or not, all of a sudden.

For anyone who is not entirely certain as to how good carbon fibre really is, in a multitude of ways; i.e. how it can be applied / its performance / its weigh / its properties etc. etc. all you have to do is search the net and take a looksie............

I really do wish that Future Chairs were in a position to let peeps try out these chairs for as long as they wanted to, maybe in the future we will be able to do so........who knows.

Mark

[wheeliej]

I would just like to say that having tried and tested the Free Spirit, i am very pleased with it. I'm a VERY active wheelchair user and have been for 10 years. The Free Spirit fits nicely into the footwell of the front passenger side of my car and i can lift it with great ease. I do a lot of back wheel balance and coming down steps and kerbs every day, yet have never had a problem with the flex or durability of this chair (my old Ti front casters used to bend and nearly tip me out if i hit a stone the wrong way!) The Free Spirit has been over cobbles, up mountains and took every bashing i have given it, all i have ever had to do is spray wd40 on the casters/wheels after pushing over grit and mud! This chair comes with a full life time guarantee and is very little more than the nowadays old Quickie Ti, you get what you pay for plus this is the next move on from titanium. I suggest you peeps really get a true understanding of Carbon Fibre Technology, then give genuine feedback and not just hear say

[graphic]

wheeliej, on Jul 16 2008, 02:44 PM, said:

I suggest you peeps really get a true understanding of Carbon Fibre Technology, then give genuine feedback and not just hear say

I don't want to study Carbon Fibre Technology thanks, just wanted to know if anyone had any experience of these chairs.

Edited to say: Thanks for your user experiences!

This post has been edited by graphic: 18 July 2008 - 11:50 AM

[kewlcatkez]

Hiya Guys,long time no post

Just had to comment on this thread. I recently went to a disability awareness day and spent some time looking at the Future chairs at their stand. I was very very skeptical...but I spoke with both Marcus and Mark (Its me the red head! hi..) about my fears that the Carbon fiber would shatter...after all I had seen the F1 car of Lewis Hamilton do that, but I was convinced by the chairs I saw, and the literature I was directed to. As some of you know I am not only paralysed but due to a genetic issue, I dislocate everything every day..I was able to lift the frame ..

As my current chair is so new, I am not in the position to get a new chair yet, but will seriously look at the Future chairs when I am. I am all for supporting the small businesses, but not at the detriment for my own mobility...So,I felt a bit better when I was told that they would let me loan one of the chairs -knowing that I drop sh*t all the time,so hopefully If i do do that it might show us one way or another how the chairs live up.

Take care,

K

[silone74]

Where have future chairs gone????? there site no longer works.

Any 1 know whats going on??



Silone

[Trinity]

It's hereFuture Chairs

[silone74]

Thanks the link i used to use redirects me to mbees.co.uk ? dont know why
Thanks again



Silone

[TheGarageFlower]

Time for me to put my tuppence in! Well to be honest I have never sat or used a CF chair but I know from loving all new things that CF is probably the most robust material on the market. I dont understand the problem wth flex either, I mean surely we want the frame to flex. I have broke a frame before because it hasn't flexed. If you look at a car for example it has to be able to change with different surfaces thats why chasis are designed to have a bit of 'give' in them otherwise things would begin to break. However I can see the otherside of the coin when carbon fibre was introduced as I believe it their were concerns with regards to longevity and very recently I completed the West Highland Way and busted an Xcore CF wheel (one of the spokesbuckled in on itself it did howevspring back out but if too much weigh was palced in on it whilst going over a bump it buckled again. This is by no means fair though as when this happened I was 2000 feet up a hill heading downwards over boulders the size of cars and all my weight was on this one wheel.

I have also previously bought my Ti TRC from Mark and can assure anyone he is a very reputable bloke and always there in emergencies! I would have absolutly no qualms about buying one of these chairs. Other than it would take me three years from now to save up for one as I dont get the voucher and lve in Scotland!!

[kewlcatkez]

silone74, on Nov 9 2008, 01:53 PM, said:

Where have future chairs gone????? there site no longer works.

Any 1 know whats going on??



Silone

This thread is a month or two old now but I'm trying to find out info for a chair user friend who hasn't got the 'net.

Silone, (long time no see - thats what I get living inland, eh? lol)
I wondering the same thing to be honest, esp since a friend of mine has been looking into the future chairs and has come against a brick wall. We heard that chair user (who posted above)Mark Beesley (aka Mbees) wasn't included in a buyout by his business partner Marcus (the F1 guy AB guy). I met them both at a Disability Awareness day back in July so it would appear that whatever has happened has done so since then..
 
Whats intriguing is, I have had a friend receive a quote from Cyclone of all places for a "Future Chair". Coincidence or something? - until when you check the cyclone site and compare it with the literature I got from the disability show - they are identical. I actually rang Mbees and asked about the future chairs and Mark said he couldn't discuss it but when I asked if Cyclone were doing the chair now he said that he knew nothing of the Cyclone deal.

Anyway, its a bit beside the point really - getting back to the carbon chair (no matter who is doing it Future chair or cyclone) the quote I was given from the disability show was for a chair (including spinergys, back, brakes/locks etc) and was for £2595. My friend has contacted Cyclone and asked about the "future chair". She was quoted £2995 ( so 3 grand) and for the pleasure of a £400 quid increase she then has to pay extra for wheels, brakes/locks etc on top!
 
So, has anyone else know anything? I am always looking for as light a chair as poss due to my issues (I have a Quickie argon TI which is 16lbs but too heavy!) I was considering saving up for a Future chair, but I can't afford one now til kingdom come. Not to mention the last I heard folks were not having a good crack with cyclone (did they have new managers?). Anyway, this girl I know has a cheque sat there waiting to send though, so I wondered if anyone had any info before she sends it in. She desperately needs/wants a carbon chair. Can anyone recommend any other manufacturers/carbon Fib chairs (from experience)?. Cheers guys.

I hope everyone is good?

take care,

K

[silone74]

That is sad if thats correct and cyclone should not up the price like that its not right or fair if we all know how much they where before why pay the extra for no reason i hope no one buys them from cyclone now and they get left with loads o carbon chairs they cant get shut of,its bad enough the prices of mobility products as it is so to do that is just rediculous and there is no need for it at all,who has that sort of money to hand? I am suffering at the moment with muscle problems with my chest and shoulders and would love to be able to have a light chair like these and i have a pretty light chair now, as far as i know there are no other chairs out there that are the same as future chairs.




Si

[kewlcatkez]

silone74, on Jan 17 2009, 09:55 PM, said:

That is sad if thats correct and cyclone should not up the price like that its not right or fair if we all know how much they where before why pay the extra for no reason i hope no one buys them from cyclone now and they get left with loads o carbon chairs they cant get shut of,its bad enough the prices of mobility products as it is so to do that is just rediculous and there is no need for it at all,who has that sort of money to hand? I am suffering at the moment with muscle problems with my chest and shoulders and would love to be able to have a light chair like these and i have a pretty light chair now, as far as i know there are no other chairs out there that are the same as future chairs.




Si

I feel the same way Silone. As you may (or may not) recall as well as paralysis, I dislocate almost every joint, multiple times a day without trauma, just staying still, so you can imagine what happens pushing (or trying to) push a chair....I haven't the cash right now anyway, but a friend I know who hasn't the net has got money together for her first "active user" chair and well, she is at a loss of what to do now. Like I said above I compared my info from the disability show (with specs of the chair and prices etc) with the cyclone one and its identical...My friend got a quote for a Cyclone future CF chair and it is £2995 WITHOUT wheels etc..at least it included the spinergys before...I feel peed off because when I spoke to them at the dis day, the AB guy span me a tale of how he was helping the chair user Mark build this chair b/c he had worked with Frank williams F1 chair user guy and he wanted to make a difference to disabled people's lives...Even in this thread, I saw before that Mark said the AB guy was in it to help...and I guess I believed it....IF and obviously no one can say for sure (but that Mark seemed shocked to me to hear cyclone were selling the chair...I have to wonder whos name the patent if it had one, was in..) If Cyclone are selling the chair and are charging more for the wheels etc etc, it would appear that it was bollocks...I hope I am wrong, and apologise if I am ..Mind you no publicity is bad publicity, eh?.. I saw this thread and your attempts to find out what was happening a while ago but I didn't notice re the cyclone chair til recently..so I didn't have anything more than a rumour and hearsay...

I hope that you get a light chair sorted Silone.. I have a Argon Ti and its just under 16lbs with the wheels ( 16'16) and its changed my life compared to the chair that was 16lbs without wheels! I too have to look all the time for a lighter chair tho...Sigh!! Oh well I hope we can win the lotto and afford any chair...that said, I would have to be very very sure that nothing underhand has gone on before I bought a Future chair - or a cyclone future chair...

Hope this finds you well Silone, and pls msg me if I can help re chair/ info about how to get the best voucher from w/chair services! etc..

Hugs,

K


ps, HERE!! is the link to the "cyclone future" for anyone who wants to check it out/compare etc ;-)

This post has been edited by kewlcatkez: 17 January 2009 - 10:32 PM

[Texaswheelz]

maybe that's why they had to sell out? Weren't selling them for enough to break even, much less make anything from em. Who knows.

[silone74]

Hi kewlcatkez I have a tiltie zra its light very light but i am as you are always on the look out for a lighter chair as i have started to get muscle problems,not as big a problem as your self and i can see why a super light chair would be a god send for you and a lotto win seems to be the only way to get one LOL but i had to have my chest split open for internal injuries when i had my accident and now the muscles around my chest are starting to rebel against me pushing around so when my time arrives for a new voucher i need to be looking at super light chairs.
It also gets me mad (trying not to swear, new years resolution,calm down abit LOL) that some one is trying to make a stupid profit,but if the cf chair was under priced to start with thats just bad business practice and its no wonder they sold the company if that is what has happened and looking at your link they are the same chair.

There are some other companies that sell lighter chairs than ours check these out they are magnesium and look very very nice.

http://www.lasherspo...m/products.html

Hope this helps a little and your friend could do alot worse than buy a tilite the zr is lighter than my zra but has alot less adjustment.


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