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#1 User is offline   Lucydog 

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 06:33 PM

Today I was In Carlisle and decided it was time to use the electic chairs available from Shopmobility. Ive been putting it off, but I have such a big bump at the moment I cant make it up the slightest slope anymore. Anyway I was just pottering round the sales and having a look... as you do.. when one of the sales assistnats in Next said. ' oh Id give anything to be able to sit down in one of those all day' meaning the chair. :mfromg:

Why Oh why am I SO SLOW to think of anything quirky or smart to say?! So I just raised my eyebrows and said Really? And left it at that. I think I was too surprised to answer as its not something Ive come across particularly before.

Anyway Ive decided to write to Next and complain. I dont think the girl meant to be offensive or anything like that, she looked about 17, but it makes you wonder about their training. I mean the shop must be open something like 65 hours a week, so its not really a great way to speak to customers, and certainly doesnt make me want to go back there anytime soon!

I will be interested to see what they say and maybe they might send me a freebie to soothe my hurt feelings anyway!. :cheers:
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Posted 01 August 2008 - 06:41 PM

I think "really?" and a lifted eyebrow was a good response.. I often try to think of something smart to say and come up short, (in a situation like that:) and when I think about it afterward, i realize its probably for the best that way.
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Posted 01 August 2008 - 06:46 PM

How about "I'd give anything to NOT be in one of these all day!"

-OR-

You could go on endlessly about the discomfort, the difficulty in doing the 'simple' task of going pee (gleefully describing how a catheter works), bad parking scenarios.... well you get the idea (but do 'they')??
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Posted 01 August 2008 - 11:38 PM

. Anyway I was just pottering round the sales and having a look... as you do.. when one of the sales assistnats in Next said. ' oh Id give anything to be able to sit down in one of those all day' meaning the chair. :P

Why Oh why am I SO SLOW to think of anything quirky or smart to say?! So I just raised my eyebrows and said Really? And left it at that. I think I was too surprised to answer as its not something Ive come across particularly before.

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That poor girl is obviously FAR MORE DISABLED than you.
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Posted 01 August 2008 - 11:53 PM

Was she blond?

This sounds like the start of a good joke just wanting to be told.
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 12:34 AM

should have ran over her feet.
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 02:50 AM

Hey give her break she is on her feet all day and when she said she would like to sit down I don't think it came out right no one would give up walking to be in on of these, would they? I say things sometimes and then go "Why did I say that" but it's to late.
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 02:52 AM

I had a not unsimilar experience a year or so back. It was a 20 year or so guy who virtually accused me of being lazy sitting in my chair, I should just get up and walk away from it. In typical Aussie venacular I wished I could have "Kicked arse" but try as I might the old "floppies" just sat there.

I am sure we all face similar type situations and they are bought on by ignorance rather than a deliberate statement designed to hurt.
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 03:03 AM

Yeah, I'm sure when she thinks about what she said later, she'll realize just exactly what it is she said.

But than again, some people just don't think twice.
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 03:55 AM

Take it easy on the girl most people dont know how to talk to us wheelchair people
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 05:38 AM

View PostLucydog, on Aug 1 2008, 02:33 PM, said:

I will be interested to see what they say and maybe they might send me a freebie to soothe my hurt feelings anyway!. :mfrlol:



I love freebies...hehe

I was playing tennis the other day and a group of children were being coached on the adjacent court. There was a screened partition between us but I noticed many of the kids peeking into our court and when I went near enough to overhear what they were saying, I heard one go "man..it'd be SO cool to play tennis in one of those..." Haha. Cute but clueless.

Some of the insensitivity that surrounds us baffle me from time to time. I've heard and read enough posts on this forum about ABs acting not so able in their heads to know that although the world is becoming more gimp friendly, it still has a long ways to go.

Lucydog, I hope you GET your freebie... we all need some reason why life in a chair can be useful sometimes...

View Postfatdave, on Aug 1 2008, 08:34 PM, said:

should have ran over her feet.


haha...funniest thing i've seen all week!
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 09:01 AM

my regular line to that is "i'll swap it for your legs . it not nasty & gets them thinking
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 01:02 PM

I generally reply with "Yeah, it's great, you only have to break your back and live with people with the sensitivity of a breeze block making inappropriate comments!" :mfrlol:
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 01:34 PM

I just say "Yea, but the novelty soon wears off!".

Subtle, but not agressive, you can usually see their minds doing overtime to come up with a reply which doesn't dig them any deeper! :)

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 01:39 PM

I love the way our responses are saying essentially the same thing, but in such disparate ways, Simon :) :D :P
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 01:40 PM

It can be fun to mess with their minds! :)
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 01:44 PM

Depending on the situation I generally have two replies:

Nice reply – I wish I had a choice, like you.

Not so nice reply – Well, lay down so I can run over your back a few times. I’m sure I can fracture a vertebra without too much trouble. Then, you’ll be all set.
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 04:27 PM

Working in retail I get this from customers daily and even some of my co-workers. I normally just say "Yep it's nice, to bad ya can't though." I've had co-workers bring chairs up behind the register and sit down between customers, they figure that since i got to sit down all day that they should be able to also. Other then that I don't have a choice, when I work the register, I'm behind a lower counter and people can normally still see me if they are paying attention. When they sit behind the counter, they do it behind their station that is as tall as my head and meant for people to stand at and customers can't see them and they can't see customers. I find it amusing and it's a easy way for management to see who the slackers are.

Kids don't bother me at all, it's there parents that drive me nuts. Kids are just curious and the only way they end up being ignorant adults is when they have parents that don't let them ask questions. I'd say about 80% of the parents shush their kids when they hear them ask me a question about what happened or why I'm in a chair. The other 20% don't mind at all and you can tell a huge difference in these kids. Their normally smarter because they are allowed to ask questions and have parents who answer instead of just shush em or answer with "because". Several times I've seen whisper to their parent asking about me and the parent will tell them to ask me and not them if they want to know. Always makes me smile. On the other hand when it happens and the parents shush em, which is the norm, I get irritated and normally I'll tell the kid anyway while the parents stand there with a bad fake smile on their face.

Last weekend I went with some friends to watch a MLS soccer(sorry to you football guys in other countries) match, LA Galaxy was in town with Beckam, and my friend has been his kids soccer coach from the age of 5 or so and he's 14 now, their whole family are huge soccer nuts. After the game everyone was standing around waiting for Beck to come out of the dressing room and get on their bus, I was setting on the side of the road about 20 feet away(to me he's just a guy that kicks a ball around for a living, but everyone else was going nuts). There was about 10 feet of space between me and the crowd surrounding the bus and people where walking by nonstop on the way to the parking lot. This one kid comes by with his Dad and he was probably 4 or 5 and as they were walking to me he was looking me up and down. When he got close enough he asked "What happened, did you hurt your back, you can't walk?" His dad didn't even hear him so he didn't slow down and was holding the kids hand so the kid couldn't stop either. I quickly said "Yep your right, that's exactly what happened". Now about 5 feet passed me with him walking sides ways and looking back at me he ask "So are you ok, I mean are you ok with it?" and gives me a thumbs up. I was dumbfounded I'm never asked that by adults, they always assume my life is horrible and I wish it was different. So I didn't say anything, i just gave him a thumbs up back and he got this huge smile on his face and raised his thumb higher, then turned back around and disappeared into the crowd. About 5 minutes later Beck came out, poised for pictures and signed a few balls and shirts and other junk for the crowd, but I think I ended up leaving there smiling and happier then any of those people that he signed for, just from that short brief experience with some kid.

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 05:47 PM

View Postfatdave, on Aug 2 2008, 01:34 AM, said:

should have ran over her feet.

yes thats what i was going to say! actions speak louder than words :)
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 06:15 PM

I'm afraid I can an only think of two appropriate responses to that type of statement - and they both end in 'off!'.

....hmm...I wonder if that's why I didn't get that customer service job? :)

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 03:54 AM

I guess she was just uneducated being that young, hopefully she realised afterwards how insensitive it was. Maybe approaching her directly would be a possibility?

Otherwise, I can definitely empathise with you. I recently spent one year on bed rest in hospital (it was only supposed to be a couple of months but let's just say I did not exactly receive optimal care from the spinal unit where I was) and it used to frustrate me no end when I would occasionally get nurses telling me "well at least you get to stay in bed all day" or "I wish I were as lucky as you being able to sleep whenever you want". One nurse who took a dislike to me for no apparent reason used to say it way too often (there's no doubt she knew it annoyed me) until one day I just turned around and snapped "well I wish I had legs so I guess we're even". I was then dressed down by the charge nurse for being rude. Nice, eh?

A daft 17-year-old uneducated in a supermarket is one thing, but experienced spinal nurses? The latter should know better, the former deserves a chance to apologise. I say next time you are there just try chat with her.

I know my sister for example used to work as an administration assistant or secretary or whatever it's called these days in a clinic, and she told a wheelchair-bound client after they booked in for their appointment to go and take a seat in the waiting room. She felt like an idiot but obviously didn't mean it. (This was prior to my injury, I remember how she said she felt like a goose the moment she said it, so hopefully it's the same with the girl at the supermarket)

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 08:18 AM

one day when I had my daughter up for a stay I was in bed so my wheelchair was empty, and she got in it and started playing, moving around it and such (she was about 8 at the time), which I didn't mind at all cos I could see that she was only trying to copy me and have some fun. Then she said that she hoped that she could be in one all the time like me. I got a little mad at her for that and said that i didn't mind her playing in it because she could get up, but that it was so different to 'have' to be in it all the time and that she shouldn't think of things like that because it wouldn't be a good thing to have to need it.

She understood me and hasn't said it again, but I do get worried about it sometimes. (Although when I spoke to her last week she said that when she grew up she wanted to be a doctor and make me better!!! She even understood how much work and how long it'd be for her to do the studies to become a doctor!!) That made me melt, I told her that I didn't think she'd be able to but it was such a sweet thing to say, especially considering the situation with her (shelives with my sister and brother-in-law who are doing everything in their power to stop me from having any contact with her).

I know this wasn't on the original lines of the post, but does it matter?

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 03:08 PM

View Postpurple_faeries, on Aug 3 2008, 09:18 AM, said:

one day when I had my daughter up for a stay I was in bed so my wheelchair was empty, and she got in it and started playing, moving around it and such (she was about 8 at the time), which I didn't mind at all cos I could see that she was only trying to copy me and have some fun. Then she said that she hoped that she could be in one all the time like me. I got a little mad at her for that and said that i didn't mind her playing in it because she could get up, but that it was so different to 'have' to be in it all the time and that she shouldn't think of things like that because it wouldn't be a good thing to have to need it.

She understood me and hasn't said it again, but I do get worried about it sometimes. (Although when I spoke to her last week she said that when she grew up she wanted to be a doctor and make me better!!! She even understood how much work and how long it'd be for her to do the studies to become a doctor!!) That made me melt, I told her that I didn't think she'd be able to but it was such a sweet thing to say, especially considering the situation with her (shelives with my sister and brother-in-law who are doing everything in their power to stop me from having any contact with her).

I know this wasn't on the original lines of the post, but does it matter?

Purple


Purple, I understand what you're saying.

If more parents were like you and let their children talk to people in wheelchairs and ask questions I think they'd enter the adult world being far less ignorant (and I am using dictionary definition of the word, not being derogatory here) and therefore less likely to say such insensitive things out of sheer awkwardness that some people feel around disabled people.

I love some of the things kids come out with (and the colours their parent's go while they're saying it! :( ).
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Posted 03 August 2008 - 03:34 PM

just another story...

one of my friends i see every now and then just told me..
"you just have to try to get up and walk and sooner or later.. you will be able to."
oh really?
oh man, i should have thought of that!
duh! i just told her it doesnt work that way and went to explain my injury as to why it just doesnt work hahaha
it made me mad because she just kept insisting that it would work.
wow that is all i have to say

andd to the post response, im sure she just has diareha of the mouth and later thought, wow that was stupid. I was 18 when my accident happened and i could see myself saying something similar before my accident, because i wouldnt really know WHAT to say, and then thinking, wow im a dumba&* later!
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Posted 03 August 2008 - 09:57 PM

View PostTexaswheelz, on Aug 2 2008, 09:27 AM, said:

Working in retail I get this from customers daily and even some of my co-workers. I normally just say "Yep it's nice, to bad ya can't though." I've had co-workers bring chairs up behind the register and sit down between customers, they figure that since i got to sit down all day that they should be able to also. Other then that I don't have a choice, when I work the register, I'm behind a lower counter and people can normally still see me if they are paying attention. When they sit behind the counter, they do it behind their station that is as tall as my head and meant for people to stand at and customers can't see them and they can't see customers. I find it amusing and it's a easy way for management to see who the slackers are.

Kids don't bother me at all, it's there parents that drive me nuts. Kids are just curious and the only way they end up being ignorant adults is when they have parents that don't let them ask questions. I'd say about 80% of the parents shush their kids when they hear them ask me a question about what happened or why I'm in a chair. The other 20% don't mind at all and you can tell a huge difference in these kids. Their normally smarter because they are allowed to ask questions and have parents who answer instead of just shush em or answer with "because". Several times I've seen whisper to their parent asking about me and the parent will tell them to ask me and not them if they want to know. Always makes me smile. On the other hand when it happens and the parents shush em, which is the norm, I get irritated and normally I'll tell the kid anyway while the parents stand there with a bad fake smile on their face.

Last weekend I went with some friends to watch a MLS soccer(sorry to you football guys in other countries) match, LA Galaxy was in town with Beckam, and my friend has been his kids soccer coach from the age of 5 or so and he's 14 now, their whole family are huge soccer nuts. After the game everyone was standing around waiting for Beck to come out of the dressing room and get on their bus, I was setting on the side of the road about 20 feet away(to me he's just a guy that kicks a ball around for a living, but everyone else was going nuts). There was about 10 feet of space between me and the crowd surrounding the bus and people where walking by nonstop on the way to the parking lot. This one kid comes by with his Dad and he was probably 4 or 5 and as they were walking to me he was looking me up and down. When he got close enough he asked "What happened, did you hurt your back, you can't walk?" His dad didn't even hear him so he didn't slow down and was holding the kids hand so the kid couldn't stop either. I quickly said "Yep your right, that's exactly what happened". Now about 5 feet passed me with him walking sides ways and looking back at me he ask "So are you ok, I mean are you ok with it?" and gives me a thumbs up. I was dumbfounded I'm never asked that by adults, they always assume my life is horrible and I wish it was different. So I didn't say anything, i just gave him a thumbs up back and he got this huge smile on his face and raised his thumb higher, then turned back around and disappeared into the crowd. About 5 minutes later Beck came out, poised for pictures and signed a few balls and shirts and other junk for the crowd, but I think I ended up leaving there smiling and happier then any of those people that he signed for, just from that short brief experience with some kid.





Hey Texaswheels, so nice to hear about you're positive experience! Personally, kids don't bother me at all either; it's the adults that worry me. I've found that at least 95% of stupid comments and such are from adults and people who are generaLLy old enough to know better. If a child stares incessantly at me in a restaurant, stores, etc., I'll oftedn ask them to ask questions. I'd rather have open communication then assumptions, any time! I did that with the 12-year-old daughter of one of my friends, and she did ask questions, and the girl and I are great friends now.:-)

I totally agreed with you that the ignorant adults are formed by parents who don't let their kids ask questions. One time, in a mall, a little girl came right up and stared at my service dog, then she looked at me when I said "Hello" to her and I could see that she was curious, and before she could say a word, her dad literally dragged her off by the hand! I felt so bad- she seemed like she could have been a nice little girl.Maybe it wasn't a question that she had in mind, maybe it was "Great dog" or something-I get that alot. But her dad didn't let her say ANYTHING; and what do you think she's going to do the next time she meets someone with a disability? Thanks dad!

I do get the comment, "You're so lucky you get to sit down all day" a lot, and I just smile and move on, like you do when someone figuratively puts their foot in their mouth and is silly. These people have no idea- don't even bother with it. If I explained the truth to them, they'd probably blow a few mental circuits anyway trying to figure it out! As a matter of fact, I did choose to be in a chair , because walking for me is hard and slow. However, my chair allows me to be an active participant in life, instead of sitting around and complaining. I'm not the person struggling with a walker or crutches, NOW AM I?? (Just had to get that off my chest. People assume way too much- they assume that a wheelchair, a piece of metal, is the next step to dying. Have they ever considered LIVING and using wheels at the same time?)

Even when someone the apparent age of your shopgirl makes A SILLy comment, at least they're saying SOMETHING to someone else. In this age of social isolation, that's awesome. She overcame a bunch of stranger-danger fears, and spoke up. So there's no reason to be nasty to her. Upon really thinking about it, she will most likely realize exactly what she said.

Enjoy and the best of luck to you in your pregnancy, Lucydog!!

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 01:16 AM

I had sort of the same experience, I was behind some old lady in line at the grocery store she looks at me and said "boy I wish I could sit down all day my feet get so sore" The clerk's mouth dropped, I contemplated putting some old lady in her place but took the high road and said ya sore feet suck. Some people are just dence.
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 02:59 AM

The funniest thing that's happened to me was a few weeks ago; I was at the mall and there was a little kid, he was probably about five, and he asked me about my wheelchair and everything (fortunately his mom was the kind of parent who let him), and I explained to him and everything, but then he asked, totally seriously, "So if I kicked you in the leg, you wouldn't feel anything?" :yahoo:

I've also found that it's the adults that will say stupid things, not kids, (I mean, people at my school will be kind of stupid sometimes, but, you know.) and I always get things from adults about me being so young and already in a wheelchair...stupid.
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 05:41 AM

Yep, I've gotten this asinine comment many times over the years. I usually don't say anything, just blank stare at them with maybe furrowed eyebrows and pursed lips - kind of gives them the signal that what you said was totally dumb and I will not even dignify that with a response. Ug.

I loved your story Texaswheelz - made me smile. For me, kids usually ask their parents before asking me. I usually hear little kids off in the distance saying "why is that girl in that wheelchair?" (and yes, I'm glad I'm still referred to as a 'girl'), and then their parents mumble something totally wrong. Ah well.

Today I got a weird comment while browsing at an antique store. Some lady behind me in an isle said (quite loudly) 'No, you're not in the way! You're fine!! You're okay!!' Then she kind of smiled at me as she passed, in that sweet: aren't you quaint in you wheelchair, shopping like us "regular" folks. She also almost touched my shoulder as she walked by. Anyway, I was like what? huh? Thanks for announcing that ... perhaps you could of just said 'I'm behind you' or the ever popular 'excuse me?' I've actually gotten this comment before and never quite know how to respond. Um ... thanks ... I'm glad I'm not in the way? Oh people ...
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Posted 15 August 2008 - 08:35 PM

"share time"

gotta do this - it was a kick in the butt.

OK - I'm at the library, doin' some research. Had to empty the leg bag. I just roll up to the urinal, open the velcro, pull out the bag and let 'er go. A young kid comes into the bathroom. Stops - dead in his tracks. I look up and see the color fading from his face. "Caught me playin' with my plumbing, huh?" The kid grins, a little embarrassed, and then gets this quizical look. You can tell he's tryin' his damndest to figure this stuff out. "How do you know when it's full?" he asks. "You ever toss a water balloon?" He nods, and then gets another grin, bigger this time. From there, it was 20 questions ... and the kid was tickled to death when it was over. I don't think he remembered to take a leak - he had to run out and tell his buddies what he just found out.

It was great.
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Posted 16 August 2008 - 07:03 AM

My response is generally, "be careful what you wish for.......you just may get it.". Sometimes they're bright enough to "get it" and then again others are NOT bright enough.
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