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[Mufassa_2003]

Hello, My name is Sherman Sweet, All of my friends know me by Jake. I have located an Internet sight that you may or may not be interested in. It offers allot of information on Stem Cells and also offers a procedure were they implant Stem Cells in the hopes that you may walk again.

I was curious if you wouldn't mind checking out the sight, www.medra.com and letting me know what you think about it because I am considering having the procedure done. Any opinion is welcome. Thank you very much for taking the time
to read this, I was hit by a car in 2003 while walking across the street in Homasassa, Florida and have been paralysed since.

Please, (NO MORE JOKES)

[E-DOG]

YO MUFE,
Can I call you Mufe?
What a cool name! Good thing you stopped by here first before going to China or India or some other third world country to get yer treatment done.
You see, I have a mobile stemcell treatment service! I work out of the back of my car, a fairly new BMW (so it's pretty darn sterile) and
I've read up on the procedures on the internet so I have a fairly good idea what I'm doing.
And get this my man. I've had some practice. A parakeet (get it? PARA-keet?) a dog, and a friend of mine's gold fish. All with fairly good results. I think.
The parakeet's doin' great but I'm not sure he was messed up to begin with. A paraplegic parakeet? I mean come on!
But the dog and the fish? Very minimal scarring and I'm fairly sure when they wake up they'll be walking in no time.
Trust me on this one Mufe. I know what I'm doing! And at only a thousand dollars per try (ten tries max) think of the cost savings to you and your family.
So forget yer cares and worries, drop me a line with all your particulars an' I'll be there in a jiff, Swiss Army Knife in hand.
Don't forget, money up front and have a pen ready to sign any and all waivers, and leave the lawyer at home. Will ya?
By the way. Welome to the site.
E-dog

[Dave Bishopstone]

Like your style E Dog - wonder what the website is? maybe!

[E-DOG]

Dave Bishopstone, on Sep 11 2008, 02:16 PM, said:

Like your style E Dog - wonder what the website is? maybe!

That would be my guess, but let's humor the boy. He sounds knida desperate.
Hey Mufe, you doin' ok?
E
Mufassa_2003,
Please don't take me seriously. Most of the people who frequent this site are very kind, cooperative, inteligent, and most of all serious about their plights. Occassionally you'll find a bad apple who tries to infect the site with humor and other vile horribleness. Don't mind them and keep coming back.
Or else. (place emoticon of choice here)

[nomis]

Hey, wot's going on here. Jake's made a reasonable post seeking others input.
OK Jake, you forgot to add the link to the stem cell site - can you send that so that we know what you're talking about.

[E-DOG]

You're right nomis, which is why I left a caveat at the end of my last post.
But alas I'm growing a little too fond of the sound of my own voice and when I run out of things to say I continue to talk anyway. Bad habit. I know.
E

[Mufassa_2003]

nomis, on Sep 11 2008, 08:12 PM, said:

Hey, wot's going on here. Jake's made a reasonable post seeking others input.
OK Jake, you forgot to add the link to the stem cell site - can you send that so that we know what you're talking about.

www.medra.com/

[Apparelyzed]

Hi Jake,

To be honest, E-Dog's procedure would probably be just as good!

Here's what Wise Young, a very well known expert on spinal cord injuries, and stem cell treatment had to say about Dr Rader at Madre:

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Dr. William Rader is very controversial. He is indeed the doctor referred to in Quackwatch I don't think that he has any qualification to be an expert on spinal cord injury or stem cells. He apparently trained as a psychiatrist many years ago.

I don't know the specific clinic that he is referring to in the Dominican Republic. It is very likely to be a clinic that was established by several Russian scientists who have been obtaining fetal cells from aborted fetuses in Russia or Eastern Europe. There is no regulation on these cells and nobody knows whether these cells are clean or safe. I would strongly urge you to avoid this.

Aside from this, I don't know how the cells are administered and doubt that they would be effective if administered intravenously or intrathecally (into the cerebrospinal fluid of the spinal cord).

Source: http://sci.rutgers.e...amp;postcount=7

Hope this helps

Simon

[E-DOG]

Yo Mufe,
Shall I send you one of my brochures?
E-dog

[Hapahowlee]

Hey Dog,

Do ya need a nurse. I have just as much medical qualifications as you have, but I have a killer white nurse outfit with white stilletos and I even have a stethoscope and thermometer, which can be used orally or rectally.

[Quad65]

Oh my, Hapa, I'm developing a mighty fever here. Is it sponge-bath time yet?

[E-DOG]

Sounds like new jack city fer this thread.
Sorry Mufe'
E

wow this guy's gonna think we're all a bunch of turds and never come back.
Jake, check other topics about stemcell therapy on this site. We're just funnin' around.

Hapahowlee, on Sep 12 2008, 04:57 PM, said:

Hey Dog,

Do ya need a nurse. I have just as much medical qualifications as you have, but I have a killer white nurse outfit with white stilletos and I even have a stethoscope and thermometer, which can be used orally or rectally.

I'll have to see AND experience those credencials personally my dear. Meantime, about that thermometer.....
E

[SCI-sister]

Mufassa_2003, on Sep 12 2008, 12:46 PM, said:

nomis, on Sep 11 2008, 08:12 PM, said:

Hey, wot's going on here. Jake's made a reasonable post seeking others input.
OK Jake, you forgot to add the link to the stem cell site - can you send that so that we know what you're talking about.

www.medra.com

Hello Everyone, i would like to update you with information I have found about Medra.

It is a scam. They are lying on the website.


Ricci the youtube and self magazine star has always been on my list because if you have any knowledge of SCI's, you would know that a lower back incomplete injury would not be a miracle if they walked. In the Medra infomercial Ricci states "I wasnt offered a whole lot of umm therapy because they didn't have a lot of hope" . Liar, you would have to be in war torn Afghanistan to have a doctor not offer you therapy.

This information from an archived vaultworld newsletter confirms what I knew in my heart to be true:



http://www.vaultworl..._2000/05-45.txt

SURGERY SUCCESSFUL FOR RICCI KILGORE, ISU TRACK ATHLETE
INVOLVED IN TRAFFIC ACCIDENT:

Feeling Restored Throughout Her Legs - Medical Team Says
She'll Walk Again

Prior to the surgery,
Kilgore had feeling to her knees, but not below. After the
surgery, Kilgore's mother, Val, reported that her daughter
had feeling throughout her leg once again. Kilgore herself
was still under the influence of the medication used in the
operation, and could not be reached for comment

WOW the year of her accident she had felling in her legs. Fraud.

Ricci Kilgore and Rader must have crafted this fruad and her the paralympian athlete staus , Self magazine 8 page layout , testifying before Texas state capital , legitimized her.

SHE REPEATS OVER AND OVER IN ALL THESE FORUMS "THE DOCTORS TOLD ME I WOULD NEVER WALK.

Brian's Miracle aka Jake Brower is a twisted manipulation of facts.

www.medra.com/brian.html

According to the archived Steenblock newslatter Jake's progress was during his treatment by their clinic. Please note the same pictures from Medra are in the Steenblock newsletter.

http://web.archive.o...EP-OCT-2006.pdf


WOW. According to Medra when Brian aka Jake was treated by doctor Rader later in 2006, this was his medical condition :

Brian slowly began to improve into what is called “a minimally responsive / semi-vegetative state” breathing through a tracheotomy and being fed liquids through a "G-Tube" placed in his stomach. Although he was improving, eventually Brian was left blind, unable to speak, could only minimally move only his right side and appeared to be extremely cognitively impaired.

This continued for three years until I found Dr. Rader who agreed to treat Brian with the Fetal Stem Cells.

WOW Steenblocks newsletter clearly shows that is a outright lie.

John Brower, Jakes father is patient relations over at Medra and the wife works sales.
He travels around getting free press for Rader by attending legitimate stem cell summits etc.


http://www.madison.com/tct/news/306200

A very well scripted con.


Even Rader's first miracle child, Clayton Fatherlee, the seizing child with Lennox-Gastaut syndrome, has shady undertones.. Claytons parents are Azita Karimkhany Fatheree and George C Fatheree. In this article Azita talks of how she stored her son's cord blood. Why would they take their son to Rader for so called fetal stem cells, instead of using his own cord blood. Clayton starting have seizures on mid 2002 and does not appear on the Medra wbsite until Nov 24th, 2005, over three years since the fisrt occurance. Was he cured miraculously by William Rader. Remember Lennox Gastaut is a roller coaster ride with periods where the child is seizure free. If the pattern hold true, the facts are all a maniputation of time and recovery minus alternative treatments that may have taken place in the three years.

http://www.wired.com...s/2001/12/48957

Felicia Gallo, Wyatts dad are also sales reps. When you call Medra you get passed around to the same few people.

The whole thing is a scam. I actually thought these people wrongly believed Rader helped their kids.
They are a well scripted group of con artists. It breaks my heart the money they have manipulated out of people.

Not to mention the the bad name false clinics like Medra give to the legitimate researchers and doctors.

[Aka]

Oky I have equally been highly interested in stemcell treatment to the point of packing my bag to go for treatment, becouse I was told that I can walk again after the treatment.
Could this sit: http://www.likecell....amp;dir=3538717 be one of those money making or what one with more infor.. on it please?
More detales on my communication with likecell can be found on my blog: http://akatumwa.wordpress.com/

Edited by Aka, 08 July 2009 - 04:34 PM.

[E-DOG]

Aka, on Jul 8 2009, 09:31 AM, said:

Oky I have equally been highly interested in stemcell treatment to the point of packing my bag to go for treatment, becouse I was told that I can walk again after the treatment.
Could this sit: http://www.likecell....amp;dir=3538717 be one of those money making or what one with more infor.. on it please?
More detales on my communication with likecell can be found on my blog: http://akatumwa.wordpress.com/

Aka, the reason they're telling you you can walk again is to convince you to give them your money. It's an advertising ploy much like saying 4 blades are better than 3 in a razor.

Do you Aka, believe 4 blades are better than 3?

They do it a lot here in the states because most Americans are, well, kinda stupid. "If it's advertised on TV it must work" is the consensus and quite frankly the average American WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING if it's properly marketed and presented in a bright colorful package.
Put 49.95 on it instead of 50.00 and they thing they're getting one hell of a bargain. Tell 'em they can have 2 for 99.89 and they'll take 'em both and think they got away with murder. Of course when they get home and realize they've purchased 2 of something that will last a lifetime when they only needed 1, they will simply toss the other one in a closet till garage sale time comes around and then sell it to a neighbor for 50 cents.

Do what you will there big guy but don't expect results. Expectations are resentments waiting to happen.

E

Edited by E-DOG, 08 July 2009 - 08:43 PM.

[Quad65]

There are more ways to separate desperate people from their money than grains of sand on a beach. If there was a legitimate medical technique enabling people to walk again after an SCI, places like The Mayo Clinic or Johns Hopkins would be behind it. And since they aren't, there isn't any such right now.

Save your money for a nice vacation, a bottle of good Tequila, scotch, or whatever 'relaxant' you enjoy. It's a nice time of year, the sun sets late...

[Bnagore141]

My husband went to Healthsouth in Tucson, AZ. Not recommened at all. He got an infection from his surgrgy in his back then had to go back the hospital for more surgery. After 10 days there, they sent him o t nursing home to heal, the he went to Northwest Oro Valley rehab. It was better than Healthsouth. But as many of you have said, they really don't know how to work with SCI patients. We are looking to send him to the Barrow clinic in Phx , Az. It has only been 4 months since his rsce boat accident.

[maloel]

Mufassa_2003, on Sep 11 2008, 08:42 PM, said:

Hello, My name is Sherman Sweet, All of my friends know me by Jake. I have located an Internet sight that you may or may not be interested in. It offers allot of information on Stem Cells and also offers a procedure were they implant Stem Cells in the hopes that you may walk again.

I was curious if you wouldn't mind checking out the sight, www.medra.com and letting me know what you think about it because I am considering having the procedure done. Any opinion is welcome. Thank you very much for taking the time
to read this, I was hit by a car in 2003 while walking across the street in Homasassa, Florida and have been paralysed since.

Please, (NO MORE JOKES)

hi
i hv been in contact with medra, i don't trust them.
with regards

[sadwife1]

My husband went to Healthsouth in Tucson, AZ. Not recommened at all. He got an infection from his surgrgy in his back then had to go back the hospital for more surgery. After 10 days there, they sent him o t nursing home to heal, the he went to Northwest Oro Valley rehab. It was better than Healthsouth. But as many of you have said, they really don't know how to work with SCI patients. We are looking to send him to the Barrow clinic in Phx , Az. It has only been 4 months since his rsce boat accident.






My husband also went to health south in Tucson Az. I am finding that there are NO facilities in Tucson who can deal with SCI. Let me know how Barrows goes. We started out at Barrows, I think his vocal cord damage was a result of leaving his ventilator in too long, who knows for sure. I haven't found a treatment place that will take him without costing us more than we make in a lifetime. Good luck to you.