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[milosNS]

Hi everyone ..... I`m C5-C6 incoplete and i have a great poblem in a progressing because of a stron spasms in my legs . Even after expanding my legs before active workout my spasm is quite strong . I`ve been taking some medicine for reducing it ,but it`s still strong .
I know that weather changes , present mood and some other stuff respond on spasm , but is there ANYTHING i can do ,or if you have any sugestion and knowlage , how can it be decreased ?

thanx

[topperf]

I've been told that loads of 6 can help...

[disjointed]

milosNS, on Sep 22 2008, 07:11 AM, said:

Hi everyone ..... I`m C5-C6 incoplete and i have a great poblem in a progressing because of a stron spasms in my legs . Even after expanding my legs before active workout my spasm is quite strong . I`ve been taking some medicine for reducing it ,but it`s still strong .
I know that weather changes , present mood and some other stuff respond on spasm , but is there ANYTHING i can do ,or if you have any sugestion and knowlage , how can it be decreased ?

thanx

Massage therapy a few times a week for now, and at least once a week for maintenance:
deep tissue work along with myofascial release.
Stay hydrated (especially when undergoing muscle manipulation b/c it releases cellular metabolic waste that is irritating to the muscles and can cause further cramping).
Consume enough magnesium (most Americans are deficient in magnesium due to our processed foods and non-leafy-green-based diet, plus multivitamins have only a scant amount of magnesium, why I'm not sure).

[MDK]

Massage and physiotherapy work in most cases

[milosNS]

[quote name='disjointed' post='75125' date='Sep 22 2008, 02:57 PM'][quote name='milosNS' post='75091' date='Sep 22 2008, 07:11 AM']Massage therapy[/u] a few times a week for now, and at least once a week for maintenance:
deep tissue work along with myofascial release.
[u]Stay hydrated[/u] (especially when undergoing muscle manipulation b/c it releases cellular metabolic waste that is irritating to the muscles and can cause further cramping).
Consume enough [u]magnesium[/u] (most Americans are deficient in magnesium due to our processed foods and non-leafy-green-based diet, plus multivitamins have only a scant amount of magnesium, why I'm not sure).
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I have to admit that i don`t like massage especially on legs because it`s iritating and they start to cramp even more .
I drink a lots of fluid and vitamins ... i might start drink Mg or eat more food rich with Magnezium .

[disjointed]

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I have to admit that i don`t like massage especially on legs because it`s iritating and they start to cramp even more .
I drink a lots of fluid and vitamins ... i might start drink Mg or eat more food rich with Magnezium .

I understand. But, it's one of those things that can help in the long-term. Initially, you will get more cramped up which will be bothersome. But, when the fascia gets stretched out sufficiently over time (and is maintained that way through massage on a regular basis), it allows the muscles more room to lengthen and relax.

What happens over time from cramped or shortened muscles is that the fascia sheath around them shrinks, and then even when the muscle wants to relax it has no room. If you can get a lot of massage initially (like 3x a week for a month), then you should be able to maintain things with daily (or twice daily) stretching and a good deep massage once a week.

As for magnesium-rich foods, try the leafy greens, coconut juice (not coconut milk), sweet potatoes, artichokes (fresh ones -- just snip off the thorns, simmer for a long time in water with garlic, olive oil, and parsley -- magnifico!)

[An aside on leafy greens... be aware that raw spinach actually takes iron from your bones in order to get metabolized; spinach only becomes iron-rich when cooked. It's a little-known factoid. But, given the bone density reduction in paralyzed limbs, I wanted to not have that go unmentioned.]

Edited by disjointed, 22 September 2008 - 09:03 PM.

[milosNS]

I have to say that massage helped a little bit ... THANX !
Does anyone knows to write something about spasm in short lines - How long does it lasts , does he become stronger or weeker during the time or same ?

[roo]

milosNS, on Sep 22 2008, 12:11 PM, said:

Hi everyone ..... I`m C5-C6 incoplete and i have a great poblem in a progressing because of a stron spasms in my legs . Even after expanding my legs before active workout my spasm is quite strong . I`ve been taking some medicine for reducing it ,but it`s still strong .
I know that weather changes , present mood and some other stuff respond on spasm , but is there ANYTHING i can do ,or if you have any sugestion and knowlage , how can it be decreased ?

thanx

HI KNOW WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM HAVE YOU TRYED THERMAL SPA WATERS IF NOT ITS WORTH A GO I HAD A CHAP AT MY VILLAS IN MAY A C-6 COMPLETE HE SUFFERED FROM STRONG SPASAMS ,AND AFTER BEING HERE FOR A WK AND HAVING MASSAGES AT THE THERMAL SPA HE COULD NOTICE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN IS SPASAMS BUT THEN ON RETURN TO THE UK THEY SOON CAME BACK, BUT FOR THAT WK IS STATE OFF MIND WAS BETTER HAVE A LOOK AT MY WEBPAGE
MANY REGARDS ROO

Edited by roo, 29 September 2008 - 01:51 PM.

[Apparelyzed]

Hi,

The reason massage and spa's work is due to the desensitising effect on the skin.

Swimming is a great way of desensitising the skin, as it gives you a cardiovascular workout as well.

The effects will only be temporary, but if you swim every other day, it may be enough to make your muscle spasms tolerable.

Vibration therapy should also have a similar effect to swimming. I think the devices are called Vibration Powerplates.

When you first go swimming, or on the powerplate, your spasms will start off strong, but as you get used to the water or vibrations, the spasms should ease off.

Of course, the powerplate will only be of use if you are incomplete and able to stand, but I did see some at the Mobility Show last year.

Regards

Simon

[milosNS]

@ roo , apparelyzed

Yes ,thats all just temporary ... I`ve been for more than a year in prety good spa with all underwater massages , perl tubs ect. and that helped during a next couple of hours ,enough for workout ....
Is there any medical solutio for it ?

[Webwych]

I have just posted a new topic on something that seems to be working for me.

http://www.apparelyz...h...ic=8047&hl=

Hope it helps

[kiwiquad]

Hi MilosNS
if you have access to cannabis, I highly recommend it to decrease, if not cease spasms altogether.
Inhaled, brewed or eaten.

[slyd]

milosNS, on Sep 29 2008, 08:19 PM, said:

@ roo , apparelyzed

Yes ,thats all just temporary ... I`ve been for more than a year in prety good spa with all underwater massages , perl tubs ect. and that helped during a next couple of hours ,enough for workout ....
Is there any medical solutio for it ?

Try kiwiquad's suggestion, it does help to an extent (was recommended by one of my neurologists).
Even if it does'nt work, you'll feel pretty good

After many years of sleep deprivation due to twiches and spasms in my legs, I am now taking a combo of Rivotril (clonazepam) and Neurontin (gabapentin), which really works! My dosage is 4mg Rivotril and 200mg Neurontin shortly before bed; and 2mg Rivotril with 100mg Neurontin in the morning. If spasms and twitches and cramps occur later in the day, I take additional Neurontin only.

Try the Neurontin on it's own first, as Rivotril is an epilepsy med, which does have liver implications. I'm no doctor, so mention this to your Neurologist or doc first!

[milosNS]

kiwiquad, on Sep 29 2008, 07:59 PM, said:

Hi MilosNS
if you have access to cannabis, I highly recommend it to decrease, if not cease spasms altogether.
Inhaled, brewed or eaten.

i`m closer to alcohol.........and extream antydrug person. Did anyone hurd something about spasm and acopunture?

[wanda]

topperf, on Sep 22 2008, 03:31 PM, said:

I've been told that loads of 6 can help...

hi im a L1 paraplegic and i have severe spasms sometimes so bad it actually feels like barb wire wrapped around my leg digging into it,,they have me on neurotin and baclofen,,it relaxes it for awhile,but some days it doesnt help at all..i know howbad it hurts,,wanda,from indiana

[AdiTrax]

I use a TheraLive leg exerciser for 20 min each morning. Its like an electric bike, so no effort on my part. I think it keeps everything supple and helps keep the blood moving, which also helps skin condition especially toes. As a result spasms seem to be kept to a minimum, mostly twitching and small kicks through the night. If i miss a day, i end up kicking the bed table over and its good bye laptop!

I know it was pricey @£1500 but I use it every day and thought it the best I could do as no one was willing to do any kind of physio with me and i don't take any meds....maybe i don't have bad spasms or maybe it works?

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[stroke survivor]

milosNS, on Sep 22 2008, 11:11 AM, said:

Hi everyone ..... I`m C5-C6 incoplete and i have a great poblem in a progressing because of a stron spasms in my legs . Even after expanding my legs before active workout my spasm is quite strong . I`ve been taking some medicine for reducing it ,but it`s still strong .
I know that weather changes , present mood and some other stuff respond on spasm , but is there ANYTHING i can do ,or if you have any sugestion and knowlage , how can it be decreased ?

thanx

hi im new to all this so ant got a clue what c5-c6 but sice my stroke nearly 2 years ago i have had spasms baclofen didnt help 1 bit but i have been trailed on tizanadine which does the trick i only take 6mg (3 tabs) 3 times a day and now its just her snoaring keeping me up another one i tried but it made me worse(supposed to work for alot of ppl) is diazepam i was awake every 10-15mins with a spasm that would turn into cramp thats no fun when you need sleep