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#1 Danny&I

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 12:01 AM

Hello every body!

I am new to this site, my BF is a Quad and im looking to buy him a new hands free joystick/mouse for his laptop. Any suggestions of where I can order one, and which one works better? He will be using it with his mouth, can't move any extremities.
I would appreciate any suggestions, thank you!

Edited by Danny&I, 06 October 2008 - 03:52 AM.


#2 KarenFerguson

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 02:59 AM

Hubby uses a mouse like this. I'm not sure about a wireless version, however. :)
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Posted 06 October 2008 - 03:54 AM

View PostKarenFerguson, on Oct 5 2008, 07:59 PM, said:

Hubby uses a mouse like this. I'm not sure about a wireless version, however. :)
Hi Karen,
Does your hubby! use this mouse w/ his mouth? or hands?
I am looking for a hands free mouse.
thanks so much!

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 04:01 AM

He uses it with his hands. I didn't think about a mouth controlled device. I actually just googled "high level quad adapted mouse" and got this thread from the forum:
http://www.apparelyz...?showtopic=3797

Hope it helps you! :)
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Posted 06 October 2008 - 05:36 AM

hi i use smartnav its so simple and works a treat

i built my website with it http://www.higherthansuperman.com

go here and scroll down to computer users

http://higherthansup...i_supplies.html
come see my website

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 02:36 PM

aggzy has right.

A voice recognition system is a good approach. Vista have something already included but allot f quads are using dragon naturally speaking from nuance.com. If the user language is not English, the problems are big.

I'm thinking at this kind of device: http://www.naturalpoint.com/smartnav/ see the video gallery.
at least, my disability is visible
sorry my English, it's not my native language.

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 06:47 PM

I was going to suggest using a mouthstick/heaad pointer with a trackball but i see your hubby has a higher injury so not sure it would work for him.
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Posted 07 October 2008 - 09:34 PM

Can your boyfriend move his fingers? I am not a quad but I use a Wacom tablet with photoshop for my art and I find I don't use a conventional mouse anymore because the pen is so convenient. If he can grip it - even lightly (It's got a rather handy rubber grip already) - and move his fingers, he might find that works. The Intuos 3 which I have also has programmable buttons and a 'touch strip' on the left so you can program it to scroll, zoom and do various other things with relatively small finger movements.

Also, it might be worth mentioning that Windows Vista has some rather handy voice recognition software as standard now so that might help him too. :)

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 11:32 PM

smartnav is what i use its the beezneez lol

Edited by aggzy, 07 October 2008 - 11:33 PM.

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 08:02 PM

Hi Danny&I

Yeah for me the Smartnav is the only game in town.

Make sure you get the version with dwell clicking.
If it don't make sense I blame the voice typing software misunderstanding me not my failure to listen in English classes!

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 08:08 PM

View PostWebwych, on Oct 7 2008, 09:34 PM, said:

Can your boyfriend move his fingers? I am not a quad but I use a Wacom tablet with photoshop for my art and I find I don't use a conventional mouse anymore because the pen is so convenient. If he can grip it - even lightly (It's got a rather handy rubber grip already) - and move his fingers, he might find that works. The Intuos 3 which I have also has programmable buttons and a 'touch strip' on the left so you can program it to scroll, zoom and do various other things with relatively small finger movements.

Also, it might be worth mentioning that Windows Vista has some rather handy voice recognition software as standard now so that might help him too. :wheelchair:

There is enough frustration if your partner's life without worrying about Windows Vista's built-in voice software.
Go for something like Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
If it don't make sense I blame the voice typing software misunderstanding me not my failure to listen in English classes!

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 07:44 PM

I am using IntegraMouse. it is a device that enables the user to activate all computer functions by use of very small lip movements. it is connected to the PC via USB and no software installation is required. It is primarily intended for people who are unable to use their hands and have no head movement. I have been using it since 2005 and find it very useful.

http://www.keytools....d...at=0&page=1

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 09:04 PM

Hello I am new here. My name is Paul and I'm an engineering student. My thesis project is a mouse that would be contained in a hat. It would allow you to control the mouse as you rotate and tilt your head. I hope to improve upon the existing devices for mouse control. The few that I've seen seem to work on the principal of mouth control or with a webcam. I want to remove the mouth control to provide a more relaxed use and to remove any calibration problems with the webcam. I'd appreciate any suggestions for control (on the hardware end mind you) though any help will due. I have just begun and I will be spending some time on these board for inspiration and help in understanding the need for this device. I'd like to know what the programs the quads on this forum are using, so I can focus on that functionality. Full functionality is my goal.

thanks, Paul

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 04:34 AM

Smart nav works great for me, I just got a sip/puff for clicks after using dwell clicking for years, the dwell clicking works great but it gets annoying after awhile.

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 11:02 PM

View Postsh1wn, on 15 October 2010 - 04:34 AM, said:

Smart nav works great for me, I just got a sip/puff for clicks after using dwell clicking for years, the dwell clicking works great but it gets annoying after awhile.

Exactly what my fiance uses, seems to work great for him. Now he wants to find something so he can use an ipad.
There are those who can but won't and there are those that would if they could. I'ts ATTITUDE in life that makes a difference.

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 11:14 PM

Ipad's are tricky but great.

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 08:46 PM

Ok this is costly but works great my friend uses it with ease

http://store.ergoguys.com/hm0204.html

I hope it helps

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 04:26 PM

View PostDanny&I, on 06 October 2008 - 12:01 AM, said:

Hello every body!

I am new to this site, my BF is a Quad and im looking to buy him a new hands free joystick/mouse for his laptop. Any suggestions of where I can order one, and which one works better? He will be using it with his mouth, can't move any extremities.
I would appreciate any suggestions, thank you!

Hi i have attached a pdf of some joysticks which I would definitely recommend, take a look you won't regret it.

hope this helps
zoe x

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 01:21 AM

View PostDanny&I, on 06 October 2008 - 12:01 AM, said:

Hello every body!

I am new to this site, my BF is a Quad and im looking to buy him a new hands free joystick/mouse for his laptop. Any suggestions of where I can order one, and which one works better? He will be using it with his mouth, can't move any extremities.
I would appreciate any suggestions, thank you!

I use a true mouth operated mouse called the Tetramouse (Google tetramouse to find it). It mounts in front of your mouth and has a joystick that moves the mouse pointer and another joystick that does clicking, scrolling and click and hold and sets the speed that the cursor moves. The latest models can click up to 10 buttons on a Mac or 7 buttons on a PC and also has scrolling. It does not require any stick-on targets like the camera head tracking type mice (Smartnav, etc) and it doesn't drift like those camera mice do. I really like that you can click when and where you want, rather than having a drifting pointer and "dwell" clicking that can click when you don't want to, like the Headmouse Extreme. I can type using an onscreen virtual keyboard. It doesn't use sip and puff switches like the Quadjoy or Integramouse so you don't have to change spit filters. It is also much less expensive than other mouth mice. My Tetramouse cost $250 plus $80 for the mount.

Edited by joey1984, 01 November 2010 - 01:30 AM.


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 05:39 AM

Danny,

It is great you are trying to help your boyfriend. Ultimately in the end he will need to decide what is best for him.

I myself am a quadriplegic and my company, BroadenedHorizons.com designs, manufactures, and markets a wide range of assistive technology providing greater independence with a focus exclusively on individuals with limited or no use of their hands and arms.

The first question I always ask is to best understand how much head or arm movement he has. From the comments here it sounds like he has head movement but probably not arm movement implying he must be C1-C4 quadriplegic. So I will go off of that assumption for the moment but contact us and we can discuss in more detail if necessary.

Second, you mentioned both joystick and mouse. Broadened Horizons offers the broadest line of accessible video game controllers available anywhere in the world. for someone like your boyfriend, our Versatility controller would likely be the most appropriate since it is designed for individuals who have no arm movement such as high-level quads and muscular dystrophy, etc. There are a variety of joysticks and buttons including using head motion control, mouth, chin, fingertips, arms, codes, etc. It can literally be customized and configured for the specific individual.
www.BroadenedHorizons.com/versatility.htm

Second, for computer control and access there was a combination of comments here that were correct, some more than others. First, I recommend a good Mouse Controller for everyone appropriate to the person's abilities. Windows, Macintosh, and even Linux all have a graphical user interface designed for use with some sort of pointer or indicator. Second, if the person is able to speak clearly, Dragon NaturallySpeaking voice recognition software is an excellent solution in place of keyboarding when used in combination with a good USB Microphone. USB microphones provide a superior digital signal. Our stylish Silver 19" USB Desktop Microphone is the our popular, providing independence to pull away from the computer and get started independently, while still getting it positioned as close to your mouth as a headset. And it can be removed from the base for portability with a laptop.
http://www.broadened...bmicrophone.htm
The voice recognition software built into Windows is functional and has no additional cost, but Dragon NaturallySpeaking is superior. With a good mouse controller you do not need more than the standard version. I am writing this message now using Dragon NaturallySpeaking version 10.1 however version 11 is now available. Do not use Bluetooth (analog) with Dragon, we also have a superior TalkFar digital wireless microphone.

Going back to the mouse controllers, The SmartNav is a good head motion tracker style joystick controller that someone mentioned. It would be appropriate for his abilities. Broadened Horizons is a Distributor for SmartNav and our Sip and Puff Switches are listed and recommended under the accessories section on the NaturalPoint website. I would always highly recommend for more responsive, easier, and less stressful on one's neck experience to have some sort of ability switches for clicking rather than using software-based dwell clicking. Our Sip and Puff Switches which are available mounted either on the headset or our 3rd Arm Flex Sip and Puff Mount so he can still pull up to and away from the computer independently without needing setup.
http://www.broadened...headcontrol.htm

However there are also other head mouse controller options. Our QuadMouse comes available on a number of mounts for use when you are lying in bed, on wheelchair armrests, edge of the desk, table, etc. It uses two small joysticks that in touch with your lips or chin. They only require about 1/4" of movement, so it works even for individuals who have no head movement. the right joystick moves the mouse cursor around the screen and the left joystick you simply nudge to the left to left click, right to right-click up changes the speed to go faster when browsing the web or slower when editing photos, and down allows you to click and drag. The QuadMouse is by far our most popular solution with the key advantage that it requires no drivers or software, you simply plug it into the USB port on any computer and is automatically recognized by Windows, Mac, or Linux and consequently can be moved from computer to computer quickly and easily in educational or work environment. Another difference and advantage for those who are on a ventilator with weak lungs and find sip and puff difficult, is that the QuadMouse does not require this.
http://www.broadened...m/quadmouse.htm

I am also working on new head motion mouse controller much like the head motion joystick available for the Versatility but that achieves extreme accuracy by actually referencing the earth magnetic fields again without requiring any special drivers.

For others reading this post who have some arm movement, our new Precision USB Joystick Mouse can be controlled the same way as a joystick controller on the wheelchair is utilized and now includes a little program to instantly switch it from mouse control to game controller function.

And for those who have no arm movement but slight/weak finger tip movement such as muscular dystrophy and multiple sclerosis, the new Fingertip Button Mouse is the ideal solution.

Both offer external ability switch jacks to do clicking by alternative means with the person's opposite hand for more responsive mouse control or sip and puff, etc. both can also be ideally positioned using our 3rd Arm Jointed Desktop Extension Mount which can position the mouse controllers just alongside of the persons armrest, in their lap, etc. so they can just pull up alongside of it.

You can contact us, Broadened Horizons at Sales@BroadenedHorizons.com or 612-851-1040 -toll free phone numbers, Skype, etc. are on the contact us page of our website as well as a chat option.

Mark Felling
President, Broadened Horizons Inc.
Quadriplegic Engineer, Patented Inventor, MBA

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 08:47 AM

A couple of the links don't work properly so HERE is a link to Mark's main web-page.

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 05:41 AM

I have yet to see anything like what I am building. I'm excited about this and I am seeking as much advice as possible. Not for the technical side of course, but for user input. Here is the concept:

This mouse will be contained within a hat. The prototype might even be a hard hat but aesthetics and comfort can always be fixed after.

The function will be as such:

Moving the mouse will work with tilting of your head. Forward backward left and right. Panning right and left won't have a function right now. Clicking will be done using a sip puff device.

The mouse will plug in and be read just like a windows mouse, and so will work instantly.

Help me build this with comments.

Anything is welcome but I'm looking for opinions on how easy this would be to use in comparison to other handicap mice.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 02:59 AM

Hey guys, it has been a long time. I've made good on my promise. Here is my project in its near complete stage.

I will have a better video up soon, this might require some fraps capturing and editing.

If you happen to live in Toronto, come see it live in person and possibly try it out.
Ryerson University Engineering Building on Church and Gould at 3 pm April 28th.

Any feedback on how useful you think this device will be would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 06:46 AM

I became a quad in high school and my insurance bought me a headmouse (origin instruments) with a sip/puff switch, softype (very useful on-screen keyboard)and dragon naturally speaking. its fairly expensive stuff but has worked for me.

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 01:06 AM

Hello all, I have been a C4 Quad since 1986, i'm 46 now. I can move my shoulders, but nothing below that. I don't have a resperator, I use a mouthstick in my mouth to type and operate a trackball (upside down mouse. My mouthstick is made up of a moulded clear acrylic mouth-piece with a 56cm (approx 22 inches) long carbon fibre shaft, with a rubber stopper on the end. This makes it possible to type and use mouse pointer quickly. I sit right in front of the computer screen and have the trackball right in front of me and a mini keyboard which is only 30cm long, to the side of the trackball. I also have a desk mounted mouthstick stand which holds 4 mouthsticks and also has aa slot for a drinking tube. I just wanted to write this to make everyone who wants to operate a computer, but ccannot move their hands, this works for me. If anyone want more iinfo, I'm happy to share.

Robjames in Bris Australia

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 01:31 AM

Welcome robjames


Wow, we were both SCI in 1986...me in Aug....I'm a C4/5...I think it's great that you have found other ways to over come being a Quad. I love it when other people share their ways to do things. I'm so glad you joined! Hope to see you around!

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 07:07 PM

I forgot to post this. The project is complete here is the full video of my handy mouse.






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